in one form or another and by trying to maintain normal, more or less normal, at least economic relations with the european union, i 'm not talking about the united states of america, it's much more complicated there, so actually, now it seems to me that the task is to , how can i keep china in the position it occupies today, because china's transition to the position. the supply of lethal, in particular, weapons to the russian federation will mean a serious step against ukraine and how to deal with it, well , actually it will be difficult to predict here, so that now today this support for china is to a certain extent and to a greater extent political and economic, of course there are attempts to circumvent sanctions and they are not without success. to use third countries to

supply some components to the russian federation, but so far, so far we do not have, as i understand it, at least in open sources of information, that china has switched to direct arms supply, which is what the united states is actually talking about. and if we talk about the situation related to these efforts. chinese, in relation to the global afternoon, we see that china is trying to convince those countries that currently maintain good relations with the united states, there by such a measure, the west generally has its own tools for such an alternative influence, as you think, of course, the west has them, perhaps not such, say, and levers, not as strong and powerful as they were, once, china is building up its own. authority among

the countries of the southern south, well, at least this latest information about the fact that china and brazil, well, they are hatching something there and offering some alternative conference, if to go back to what we said at the very beginning with the conference in geneva, where russia and ukraine were present, so this indicates that china's attempts, so to speak , to attract, embrace the global... south, they continue, to a large extent , china, well, it has achieved some success in this, and africa and asia, of course, a large number of countries in principle also support china and pursue such a policy loyal to that china, to that which china pursues, so they consider it one of those ee... important factors of the world

politics and is being formed gradually, well, let's say this, if not an alliance, then at least a group of states of a significant, large number of states, in particular the global rooster, which are gathering around, around china, regarding how to prevent this, well, it's hard to say, we are witnesses a certain loss of the leading role of the united states of america in... due to various reasons, in particular now due to the presidential race, so to speak, which is in full swing there, and against this background, america is losing the ability to influence even its former allies and partners, so this is such a long-term, long-term story that we will, that we will witness for some time. one more topic,

and also about our main ally, great britain. in this week's decision, the prime minister of this country dissolved the parliament. i would also like to ask you about this. well, so early, right? that is, in principle, we understand that this parliament could still exist somewhere up until november, the prime minister of great britain. nevertheless took such a step, dissolved the parliament, and in fact, in a month and a half there will be elections in great britain. well, look, well, first of all, in great britain there are clear deadlines, uh, which the parliament cannot exceed, and accordingly the election must be held from a specific date, no later than a specific date, but earlier they can be held then. when

the prime minister of the ruling party wants it, in my opinion, rishi sunok understood that now, well... the british politicians are getting more and more support for their competitors, the liberal party, and in my opinion look, he chose this particular time with such, well , such hope that today the level of support that the conservative party has is still sufficient for him to go to the elections, and later, say, in the fall, that is... .the tendency is for the conservative party to lose the majority among the british voters. so, this was his, so to speak, calculation, calculation, that now it is more profitable for him to hold elections than to hold them at the end of the year, but i think that,

let's say, let me predict, this a conservative government is unlikely to save a conservative government. something in the parliament, we already have a tendency today, yesterday , that already 80, so to speak, members of the parliament of great britain from the republican party have announced that they will not take part in the elections, which are planned for this summer, and well, this guy is talking about a mass exodus, which at this... it can be evaluated in different ways, in my opinion, they want, so to speak, to make those who will not run for office, in particular, today stated this michael gove, this is such a well-known conservative figure, somehow take a break and, well

, not take part in the obviously losing , and such a losing battle, which is waiting for the republican party, but for ukraine , this... something can change in the event that labor comes to the authorities, will any policies change or remain as they are now? i think definitely not, uh, well, of course, there can be some corrections, but the politics of great britain is based on the real support of, er, the voter, on the real support of the people of great britain, who in for the most part, on the side of ukraine, and speaks. and actually, the policy of any party that is ruling now, and even the opposition, is the same today, it means that these parties are on the side of ukraine, that is, i do not expect any serious, so to speak, changes there or

changes, well, i don’t know. there may be some nuances, but let's not forget, we have recently signed an agreement between ukraine and security. and great britain, where assistance, political, economic, any other, military, that great britain will provide to ukraine, and i do not think that anything will change in this, that is, the framework of this agreement will not even, well, hardly allow anyone, so to speak, to change the general, general policy. great britain in relation to ukraine. thank you thank you, mr. volodymyr. volodymyr khandogiy, president of the ukrainian foreign policy association, former ambassador of ukraine to great britain. and now to the middle east with ihor simovolos, director of the center for middle eastern studies. congratulations, mr. igor. congratulations, congratulations, mr. vitaly. well, there was another decision

of the international court of the united nations on the situation related to the military operation of israel against hamas. now the court is trying to stop israel from continuing its... operation, which is related to the elimination of the terrorist position in the southernmost city of the gaza strip, rafah, this is the only place that has a border crossing with neighboring egypt, what do you think is the decision of the international court at all can affect the situation, can it? well, i think we've already heard statements from the israeli government that they will not follow through on this decision, and accordingly, are unlikely to be expected anytime soon. on the suspension of the military operation, but the decision itself will undoubtedly affect after some time, maybe even faster than we think, on the international position of israel, i think that the implementation of this decision, and israel is a member of

this international court of the organization of the united nations, that is, according to the statute , he must comply with this decision, and... failure to comply with this decision will have legal and political consequences for israel. i think that the situation may reach the situation that was once with south africa. what does it mean? please explain to our viewers? this means that sanctions will be imposed against israel. and the united states will agree to this, do you think? the americans will not agree to this today, it is obvious, but the americans also find themselves in a rather difficult situation in connection with this. well, this is the decision of the hague court, it is, as far as i understand, rather political. is this someone's, relatively speaking, such a whim, or is that all? such a certain collective, a political decision, according to your point of view,

why right now, in general, the decision is legal, i don’t think that the decision is political, the court decision cannot be political in this case, it is legal, so actually, why right now, because it finally passed all procedures and a decision was made, because the court does not make a decision immediately, but makes it in accordance with the procedure for considering this issue, well, in principle. we already understand that somehow the situation cannot be resolved by the decisions of international institutions, there is an impression that no one , especially, is waiting for a solution to this situation, even the arab countries do not conduct any intensive, i would say diplomacy in order to solve the problem of the war in the middle east, they are more involved in the situation related to the war in ukraine or the un resolution on serebrine there, than in the middle east situation, you see, united arab emirates - saudi arabia, we hear all the time what they say about ukraine, what they say about the balkans, but somehow about

the gas sector not so much, no, they say, i think, just this information less comes to us, and because it interests us less, and yes, in principle, well, the most obvious and high-profile event that could have happened, but did not happen, is the agreement, the agreement between the united states of america and saudi arabia, which provided for normalization of relations with israel in exchange for a palestinian state, and this indicates that the political process there is quite powerful. another thing is that israel does not agree to this, it already seems to indicate that priorities have changed quite seriously in israeli society of the israeli government, they now do not want peace, they want victory. well, the question arises, what will really happen with this process, for peace with

the arab countries, in case the operation against hamas continues, and even if we imagine that the arabs, that israel will succeed in breaking the energy of this terrorist organization and destroying that base among the population , which has always fueled violence on the territory of israel itself and in the gas sector, and we know on the west bank of the jordan river, where the positions of terrorists among the so-called are also very serious. civilian population, which always chose terrorists over those who offered peace. well, let's imagine that there is security here, but what to do with the arab world? well, firstly, after all, not an imaginary civilian population, but a civilian population, yes, and secondly, after all, before solving the issue with the arab world, it is necessary to solve the issue with the occupation, i think this is primary, relations with the arab world are already secondary, but...

at least there the legal procedure has already begun, israel is summoning ambassadors, how do you comment on this, what kind of decision is this and what consequences, in the end, will it have for israel and for palestinian autonomy? well, for now there will be no political solutions for israel, yes, well... it is clear that israel is lowering the level of relations now. i think it is not enough. i

think israel should downgrade relations with all 147 countries that recognize palestine. then it will be real, i will believe in their intentions. and as for what is happening, well, obviously, netanyahu's policy has proven that, in principle, the peace process no longer exists, and... the israeli settlements and the ultra-right, who are in power, seek to seize all the territories that are on in the middle east it is the palestinian-israeli conflict. generates and constantly provokes new conflicts and generates and grows new extremists, therefore these decisions are absolutely logical, each country, of course, made them based on its own interests, its own considerations, someone spoke about the two state solution, and that this is such an important signal, someone spoke about the fact that they are in solidarity with

the peoples who are fighting for their independence, for some it was relations with the arab countries that were more important. but here the reasoning is quite political, logical, i think it is not the latest recognition of palestine, and which other states do you think can join such legal procedures, the beginning of recognition, or full recognition, at least in the western world, i do not exclude that it could be france, at least macron has already stated this, about the possibility and willingness to do this, but let's analyze the reality. from this, because there are many states in the european union and nato that recognize palestine as a state. the soviet union recognized the palestinian state as a state back in the days of yasser arafat. you can say that from the soviets the assistance of the soviet special services started this process. by and large. ukraine is among those countries, almost all of them, probably former soviet republics, which recognize palestine as a state.

it seems to me that the vast majority of ukrainian citizens do not know about this. there is an embassy of the state of palestine in kyiv, which i do not contact. well, that's right, because there was a representative office of the palestine liberation organization in moscow, which later turned into an embassy, ​​that's right, i understand, that's right, that means the 93rd year it's been 30 years, in fact ukraine recognizes palestine, russia recognizes palestine, kazakhstan. recognizes palestine, everyone recognizes palestine, and the countries, and suddenly we find out that three more european countries, three countries, two of them are members of the european union, three members of nato, two members of nato , two members of the european union, two members of nato, there somehow, yes, that's right, norway, norway, spain in nato, ireland and spain in

the european union, it doesn't matter, they also recognized the palestinian state, why such a reaction to what happened a long time ago. the usual pro forma and not even a step closer to the creation of this state, so what's the problem? i'm also curious, i'm also curious why the reaction of the israeli government and the israeli foreign minister is actually like this, well, actually, it seems to me that in general, netanyahu's reaction to all the events that are taking place, that is, he actively uses the term anti-semitism, in fact , devaluing it, for all, for all criticism. of the israeli state, and this is such an approach, it seems very counterproductive, but it is the right of their government to do so, internal political motives, you think first of all, absolutely, well, no, well, of course, he is under pressure, otsmaygut, who threaten to leave the coalition, and everyone perfectly understands that

after that he is unlikely to be the new prime minister, but... figuratively speaking, it is not only this, this is also netanyahu's messianic idea of ​​how it should happen, his desire to control the entire territory of the historical strip, and please tell me, mr. igor, if we talk about the also important event of this week, the death of the president of iran, ibrahim raisiv, so amazing though, why amazing so much the post-soviet aviation disaster in... which was supposed to fly apparently, but flew somewhere in complete fog after the talks between ibrahim raisi and the president of azerbaijan, ilham aliyev, with a number of officials, many conspiracy theories, however, here is your impression, this is an ordinary disaster, has anyone had should we get rid of this odious politician? well, if you follow the razors, then

of course it's a disaster, because there will still be a lot of it around. conspiracy and one of the key conversations that i actually heard from the iranians themselves, that in any case, if the son of ali khamenei wants to take the post of president, and then claim the post of supreme leader, then all the iranians will still say that it was he who killed raisiya to get rid of a competitor, in the best traditions of persian history, you can say, but it seems to me that this is again theory of language. and here it's just, well, people are mortal, as you know, and sometimes they die very suddenly. and do you think that this will somehow affect the political situation in iran, to the extent that reisei was important not so much as a president, but as a player. my a figure in the iranian establishment, well, he was considered as such, that is, in principle , he lost something, and especially against the background of economic and political troubles, but he

was still a person close to the corps, and the corps obviously counted on him as well , not there is no information that khamenei, for example, expressed any serious dissatisfaction with the flight, although reports have recently begun to appear, as if ... but he, from the very beginning, his role was this, that is, to take on all the wrongs, so there is there is one nuance that is important in this situation, it is that the political groups, clans, and economic and political clans of iranian society, which are absolutely legitimate, many are not satisfied with the circumstances that khamenei is conducting a rather harsh policy of vetting candidates, that is, not giving them the opportunity access to resources, it seems to me that at some stage, not now, a little bit after a step, but there will be a certain consolidation

of disaffected groups, and then we can already see manifestations of political instability, yes, but turbulence without a doubt in the near future should be expected in connection even with 85 years of hmni, and it does not look. mr. igor, the question that probably worries many citizens of ukraine is actually iran's relations with the russian federation, the supply of certain types of weapons to the russian federation, whether this will change in any way in the near future, and perhaps whether it will change after the election of the president of iran, that is, i emphasize once again, delivery. some specific elements that relate to weapons, shaheeds of the same and so on and so on? you know, i don't think so, because the key decisions

still accepts alikhmenei, and communication with russia takes place with his blessing, which means that most likely only the direct will of alikh can change the situation for me, i still do not see any reason to change this will. considering that the islamic revolution guards corps is essentially the backbone of the iranian regime and without support, and they are lobbyists to a large extent for such a situation, we recall that since the time of kazam suleimani, and i do not think that rikhamenei will suddenly change his position. and, for example, iran's position on in relation to the connecting states of america and vice versa, some at least minimal shifts are possible here. at least after the presidential election, i mean the same nuclear weapons that they talk about so much, will we also see the same

belligerent rhetoric towards the civilized world, here i will add a question to andriy that i am very interested in , to be honest, the presidential election, because in iran it is a ceremony like in russia, but i am interested in the american-iranian talks, which we hear about from time to time and do not understand what it is that's what they talk about there. yes, yes, without a doubt, they continue, that is , the level of these negotiations may have decreased, that is , they are not official, as before, yes, the delegations meet and are already privately discussing possible options for the agreement, but they continue, and the agreement with the americans is important for hatami for hameni, haminiya, lord, yes, and accordingly. it is worth expecting that these negotiations will continue. i don't think

the rhetoric will change because it's traditional and it's supposed to show iranian courage, yes, well i'm exaggerating a bit here of course, but nevertheless, this is their style of behavior, conducting negotiations. but it seems to me that they may recover more actively after november, and given the circumstances, who will win the elections in the states, who will win the elections in iran, but it is obvious that moderate politicians are unlikely to be allowed into power now, no one will risk , so the conservatives will believe again, the question here is whether they are messianic, i.e. such as ahmedinijat. are rationally thinking people able to negotiate, or do we have the whole conversation, wherever you go in the middle east, all the time you talk about

messianic sentiments, a question arises. how can states led by leaders with messianic attitudes agree on anything? difficult, about almost nothing, yes, it's true. here is another question, certain such a controversial reaction, we have seen this reaction from many politicians, regarding the actual solidarity or sympathy of iran and the representatives of the iranian authorities regarding the death of raisi, and also... many representatives of the european union, nato, sympathized and, as they say , ran into criticism, that's for sure diplomatic language, it should be like that, or is this again an attempt, as they say, to seem so friendly to that state, which very often shows aggression towards the civilized world, well, i think, both and that, that is, diplomatic etiquette, ah... he

is still the leader of the state, well, the president of the state, not the leader, but the president, but the second point is that not all european countries, let's say, are serious about confrontation with iran, but one country, france, for example, definitely does not want to conflict with iran, it has big plans business interests, and i would love to do business with iran, at one time, when the nuclear agreement was signed in the 15th year... there was a whole bunch of french businessmen sitting in the neighboring capital, who were just waiting for a green rocket to fly into tigerana talks. well, this is also an interesting moment, that on the one hand , iran plays the role of an ally of russia, on the other hand, the iranians are talking to the united states, on the other hand, iran

plays an important role in... the southern caucasus, because it maneuvers between azerbaijan and armenia and turkey, but president raisi met with aliyev before his death, and as far as i understand, he was supposed to meet with pashinyan during this same period, and it is obvious that the role of iran in the south caucasus suits the united states and france, because it deters azerbaijan and turkey by and large, how does it all look then, well, it looks like iran is maneuvering, that its strategic culture. involves the formation around or reduction of the circle of enemies and the formation of a circle of friends, it not very successful, but they try. thank you, mr. igor, igor samivalos, the head of the center for middle eastern studies, was with us on her connection on this broadcast, thank you, thank you, and we move on to the hour of communication

with vitaly portnikov. let's talk about various topics, of course about russia, let's talk about this initiative of putin, about the alleged negotiations, let's talk and of course, i 'm thinking about iran, let's talk about the global peace summit, in short, all the most important topics, let's discuss now, mr. vitaly, from putin is flying to lukashenka this week, they are talking about illegitimacy. zelensky, they are talking about negotiations, there are a lot of different statements that are interesting, there are uninteresting statements, but of course, these are all things that relate to the alleged readiness of russia for changes, allegedly that zelenskyi is illegitimate there, allegedly that they are ready there to discuss some things, but only within the framework of the current situation on the front line, what is it, is putin wants

to influence the... peace summit in this way, wants to break some certain ground, perhaps in relation to those states which are currently wavering, yes, which ones, whether to support ukraine or not, why today, why these statements now in this period, why putin is flying to belarus and again, by the way, rattling nuclear weapons, well, the fact that putin flew to belarus precisely the period when the exercises on the use of non- strategic nuclear weapons are taking place, it is clear why, well , he flew to belarus to show that these exercises really bother him and lukashenka, he gave lukashenka the opportunity to speak on this matter, all this, by the way, it is happening against the background of a discussion in the west countries about the possibility of using western weapons so that ukraine could destroy military facilities.