from a blogger, from an alleged human rights defender, from a lawyer, from a journalist, and so on and so on, that's it, and then it gets stuck in your head and you can continue to work with it, you can take it somewhere and so on. last year , whistleblowing was more active, for example, between those ukrainians who went to safe countries and those who stayed to live in ukraine. information about heavy losses of the armed forces was still intensively posted on telegram channels. currently, russian bots have focused on the issue of mobilization in ukraine, for example, they are launching... videos on social networks allegedly from on behalf of the evaders. they find any loopholes in society. let's say there is a logical dissatisfaction of, say, military women or members of military families who have been fighting without rotation since the 22nd year, and they have a right.

howl about the fact that maybe my husband or my wife will come to me for a rotation and in general it is necessary to change, and they are fueling this protest and dispersing it, so to speak , organically, that is, someone wrote about it, they threw money into advertising this, that , so that more people can see this absolutely sincere, absolutely a legitimate post, and a law on mobilization is adopted, like any solution. problems, solving any problem creates other problems, because if i have high blood pressure and i take pills, it can be bad for the stomach, in order to solve the problem with the stomach, i take other pills that give the problem to the stomach and so on, the same with laws, that is, this law solved one problem and created another, and there is fear, dissatisfaction. from the sides, and

the russians throw money into the same pockets for this dissatisfaction. page, download these, our father bandera, ukraine, we will fight for ukraine. well, how to discredit the authorities of ukraine and not only on...

the same rogozin tells future journalists and diplomats how to manipulate public opinion in the west, according to him , it is enough to simply sway the local press. journalists in their country are usually critical of their government, so it is quite easy for foreign diplomats, if they know how to work with the journalistic community, to sway this journalistic community to their side. the same is transmitted to europe by certain narratives, which again they are strengthening. splits within the vision of the development of the european union, the right appears, which is gaining popularity, which, let's say, renounce certain values ​​of the european union, in particular in relation to migrant policy, in relation to policy in certain at certain moments, even the fight against corruption, including hardly hungary. you can name a state

that is an example of intolerance to corruption, so to speak, and this became possible thanks to , among other things, the work, thanks to, among other things , the presence of many russian oligarchs, who in one way or another received hungarian passports, invested in this country, invested even in the media in this country, well, we see what this leads to, in fact it's just... the change, let's say, of the democratic world in such a way that it was convenient for russia to manipulate them: corruption, buying officials, buying the media, propaganda, and again, the diplomatic model, the business model, this is a constant process. if we talk about the main messages that the russian federation is trying to spread in the countries of the west, then we can single out three main ones. first: transmission there is no sense in the armed forces of western weapons, because...

ukraine will still lose, and the equipment will be sold on the black market. where did hamas get the mines and rockets that we fired at israel, and what does ukraine have to do with it? message number two is trouble. which ukrainian refugees allegedly create for europeans, and the third, oppression, who would you think, christians? whole media platforms, whole networks of bloggers are being created, both real and, let’s say, created bots, but of very high quality, which promote messages, in particular church ones, saying that ukraine is destroying christianity, russia attacked us, but ukraine destroys christianity and shows photos of churches. the persecution of the moscow patriarchate is said to be happening in ukraine, and it is said that the danger is coming from ukraine, not at all from russia, which is actually destroying churches, they do not understand whether it was the moscow patriarchate or not, the churches were destroyed, the priests of the moscow

patriarchate were killed, they keep quiet about it. the topic of today's program is the sbu terrorist attack on orthodoxy. well, where would we go without the favorite game of russian propagandists? endless intimidation? and americans, and secondly, to stop the world from sliding into world war. and how to resist all this, especially in such a sea of ​​disinformation, which russia gushes out. firstly, experts say, one should not believe anonymous sources. avoid discussions as soon as you feel that you are being tried. to see the power of the russians in the split of the ukrainians, and here they are able to do it drop by drop with patience, with endurance to go, do and so on, and now with our emotional trickery, with fatigue, with completely natural things in the third year full-scale in the 11th year of war, it is necessary

to understand and look more carefully at everything that causes us these notorious srachis, that is, as soon as we start emotionally spitting at each other on any topic. this is a signal that russia may appear here, or it has already appeared here. secondly, leave the study and analysis of rospropaganda to professionals. our russian studies must be very , very deep, we must be the best experts in the world on russia, because it is an enemy that is with us, well, unfortunately, for a long time, because it is directly the border and they should calm down they will not. here, but in general it should be a completely different strategy. it is also very important to get the first information from the so-called white media, which already checked for transparency and are responsible for the authenticity of their materials. these are scientifically proven facts that the first source, it forms the basis of our opinion, forms it, and then we have to be convinced of the opposite. if the first source exposes you to something harmful, it will really try to convince you. if there are at least these three basic things, then the probability

that our resistance to propaganda and russian and internal manipulation to grow, that's for sure. what should we do in europe? we have to... build our narratives, and refuting russian propaganda is, it's the wrong way, because it's a reaction, that is, if they say and we refute, then it means that the initiative has been imposed on us, and we will always catch up , that is, we have to build our narratives, make them, since we have less money and less systematicity. in this, we have to build better quality messages and work more purposefully with target audiences. long before the full-scale invasion, russia was mired in the quagmire of its lies. now he is trying to drag the whole world into it. and in the same way, by uniting the whole world,

this process can be stopped. donbass realiy was with you. pope. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. heavy battles during the time of yar. the russians are trying by all means to erase a strategically important city from the ground. is the enemy capable of opening another front in the north to pull ukrainian forces from the east? the peace summit is in danger of collapsing. according to zelenskyi, this is the main thing today. the target of russian diplomacy and intelligence, which explains biden's alleged decision not to go to the peace conference in switzerland. a manifestation of the struggle against the kremlin dictatorship. the russian opposition held a secret forum in lviv with

the support of the main directorate of intelligence. is the armed resistance of the russians capable of overthrowing the putin regime? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. for the next two hours we will talk about... the country, the world, the war and our victory. today let's talk about the congress or forum of the russian position in lviv, about the difficult situation that is developing around the time gap, and of course, kharkiv-kharkivshchyna. over the course of an hour, we will talk about all this with two of our guests, with two former people's deputies, one deputy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and now a major of the armed forces of ukraine, ihor lapiv. another deputy, a former deputy of the state duma of the russian federation, and now a russian oppositionist, ilya

ponomaryuv. the second part of our program will be a traditional friday journalistic one club, the participants of which will be kateryna nekrecha and olga musahirova. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of how ukrainian defenders stopped an enemy assault near chasovoy yar. units of the armed forces, together with the lut brigade, destroyed more than 10 units of the attackers' equipment, the fighters eliminated up to fifty invaders, preventing the russian infantry from gaining a foothold. let's watch this magical video.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout the broadcast we are conducting a survey, asking you today about whether ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your answer option if it does not fit into a single answer, either yes or no. if you... watch us on tv, please pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think

ukraine should cooperate with the russian opposition 0800-211381, no 0800 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, we will be in touch is our first guest, this is ihor lapin, a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the 8th. convocation, mr. major, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today, kudos to ukraine, kudos to the heroes, well, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers about whether ukraine needs to cooperate with the russian opposition, for one thing, in order to in order to destroy putin's regime, a logical continuation, in your opinion, should ukraine cooperate with the russian opposition? well, first of all, me need to understand do we have the russian opposition and what is its main role precisely in this context of the struggle against putin's regime,

just to gather abroad, somewhere in europe, or is it possible, even after arriving in ukraine, to gather, drink tea, talk something and, you understand, i always have such a logical question, if after that there are no actions, to date, any, shall we say, democratic options for regime change in russia, they do not exist. in general, therefore, i draw one conclusion: the task of the opposition is to visit the kremlin after the change regime on our shoulders, they do not set themselves any other task. i did not hear that they collected money and donated to the armed forces, i did not hear that the opposition took up calls to arm themselves and destroy everything that belongs to the russian occupation in ukraine, as well as everything that belongs to the russian regime in russia. the opposition today is engaged in boltology, and i do not believe in good russians at all, they will not do anything,

please look at their actions in germany, in any european countries, have you heard anything that any of them often spoke out strongly against putin's regime, just the opposite, remember the victory day, the rallies and demonstrations that took place to popularize it. whose regime to popularize the greatness of the russian nation, well , for me, to be honest, it’s the absence of any opposition at all, i ’m not going to flirt with it, because i... believe in good russians, they don’t exist, they can only act to prove and prove that they are really, so to speak, good russians. thank you, mr. major, for the comprehensive answer, these same russians are good and the bad guys are attacking ukraine, 88 combat clashes took place at the front in the beginning of the day,

almost half of them fell on the kuptian and pokrovsky directions, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports this, well, come on. the enemy has now been stopped in the direction of kyiv, the defense forces are planning and carrying out offensive actions to restore the lost position, the general staff reports. the situation is under control in sumy oblast and chernihiv oblast. head of the press service of the 26th artillery brigade oleg kalashnikov reported on espresso that for the assault the russians have now mobilized all their resources. let's listen to what oleg kalashnyk said. is trying to storm us along almost the entire spectrum of the front, but at the moment he has concentrated his attention more, we can say that for several days, this is a klichchiivka-andriivka, well, of course, he is directly trying to storm the times, he is not just storming it, he is using his terrorist practice, he simply really destroys it, destroys everything that

is there today, today he used his maximum resources here, which only in it is available both for fire damage and for assault actions. today we can see that he is already storming with just such a mechanized component. mr. major, how do you assess the current situation at the front and, in particular , near the time gap, what does putin want? well, let's be frank: his first statements about the goal of the so-called svo, which is of course the exit to the borders of donetsk, did not go anywhere. of the luhansk regions, what he has under fire, let's say this, thanks to the inadequacy of ukraine's preparation for the confrontation in 2022, what he still managed, as they say, on burachok to seize the right bank nearby, meaning the right bank and kherson, which we successfully recaptured, of course, but that is another issue. so, the fact that he

managed to advance in the kharkiv region, the fact that they managed to capture the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and so on, in zaporizhzhia, this... all this is the weakness of ukraine's preparation for deterring russian aggression, and we are talking about this, the fact that today we manage to do it, it is not due to the actions of our leaders, on the contrary , it is contrary to their actions, which they were engaged in before the start of a full-scale invasion. chasivya, this is a strategic height, this is control, both to the right in the direction of sloviansk kramatorsk, and to the left in the direction of pokrovsk. the fact that the russians hit... in particular, where we say ivanovsk , try to move in the direction from the south, take , so to speak, in the semi-encirclement of the times i, they did it, and we talked about it, and for several months we have been saying that the main efforts the russians will just concentrate in the direction of pokrovsk, because pokrovsk is the logistics of the dnipro, donbass,

let's say so, and to cut off this logistics of pokrovsk is their number one task. at the same time, the kupyan direction is also very seriously significant for them, because it is logistics already, let's say, from kharkov, if we say so, well, i'm sorry, i won't mark settlements there on the map, but it's logistics from the north to donbas as well is interrupted by the kupeni direction, and we see such a big, big, let's say, effort of the russians, well, in fact, from the first days of the full-scale invasion. that we managed to restrain and repulse the same estuary direction and so on, this already a question of skill and sacrifice of the ukrainian soldier. to date , what i can see, where, where possible, we can expect, well, unfortunately, the general staff says that the russians are using virtually the entire spectrum to storm the times, i would

not like to discount another point, the fact that soon it will be russia 's turn again... 25,000 trained, mobilized, and they will come precisely to the russian armed forces, precisely on the territory of ukraine, or rather, they are already in the russian armed forces, they are now preparing, but putin is not stopping mobilization measures, and therefore in such a context it is of course very difficult for us to resist, especially against the background, well, in fact , the inadequacy of the law on mobilization, which we have already talked about for probably six months, to kill the soldier's motivation. kill the issue of demobilization at the root, as they say, and talk about the fact that we will do everything successfully and we don't need half a million, then i want to tell you that somewhere from the moment, probably, when we first started talking about... mobilization, the russians have already mobilized more than half a million, if you look at the statistics, which we are given, well, so to speak, by open sources, and so today it is threatening our

brothers, so i also pay attention to the sumy direction, why the russians have often, let's say, their sabotage and reconnaissance operations in the sumy region, and there is information that they they concentrate there, accumulate, let's say, necessary. why, in order to stretch our reserves, they succeeded in kharkiv region, let's see who stopped the enemy in kharkiv region? in addition to the tro brigade, which is staffed without motorized infantry units, there were abandoned reserves, we know that this is a special unit of the national guard and other special units, tell me, please, and if it goes parallel now in sumy oblast, where will we be filming from, from which fronts will we be filming the personnel, if anyone has forgotten, then i want to remind that when... the trouble started in ocheretino, the 100th brigade was sent to cover up the djurka in ocheretino, which did not come from home, did not come from the training ground, but

was simply removed from another part of the front, that is, we are talking about what, we are talking about that the accumulation of reserves wants to be better, well this is my opinion on this matter, mr. major, considering that the enemy has been quite actively terrorizing kharkiv in... the last few months, we see that they are just hitting the civilian infrastructure, very powerfully, yesterday they hit the printing office, the printing factor , seven people were killed, 20 people were wounded, well, that is , terror of the highest kind, when they hit civilians, factories, houses, everything they used to hit usually, and putin always talked about what we need some kind of sanitary zone between ukraine. and russia, and is this now the way of the russians to create this sanitary zone, and can ukraine mutually create a sanitary zone between russia

only on that side of the border? well, the question is whether we can, then the answer must be asked immediately: and with what forces and means? well, if we believe that with the help of the assault actions of the russian volunteer corps we will be able to make some kind of sanitary zone there, well, i'm sorry. the village of tiotkino is not a sanitary zone on the territory of russia, and i am looking at today, the actions of the russians actually duplicate our previous actions of the same of the russian volunteer corps, which, with the support of a mechanized unit, carried out assault operations. the russians are doing similar things, and in principle they have always done it, just with greater forces and means, in order to create a sanitary zone. everything that the rosnyavs can't reach with their dirty hands, they can't help. colossal advantage in artillery, they actually turn into construction debris any structures where our defenders might be, and this is the biggest problem, the russians will take kharkiv,

well, i already said, somewhere approximately, how they are there kyiv in three days, well, they can also catch up with kharkiv somewhere, that's because they won't get anything out of that swarm, but there is another problem, the russians are rushing in the direction of, so to speak, vovchansk, well, i'm not doing this right now, to connect for those forces, but in order to get as close as possible to, in order for the russian artillery to reach the city of kharkiv, in order to be able to actually destroy the city buildings with artillery fire, and this is their task, the russian artillery, such as the mlrs , hail and so on, well, they will try to advance at least 40 kilometers, and with ideal schedules for the russians 20 km, so that the barrel artillery can also reach... the suburbs, so then they will be able to create very serious pressure on city. today, they still use rockets, they use cabs, it's a bit of an expensive pleasure

compared to just artillery. therefore, i look at this story with the kharkiv region in this context, well, if we take any assault operation of the russians, we take shepherds, dismantled the city for parts, and then they captured the torn city. love the rest there. severodonetsk is the same story, bakhmut, avdiyivka, mariyenko, that is, they do it with just such a barrage of fire, and thanks to it they create a so-called sanitary zone in front of their infantry units, this same story along our northern border, it will continue, in us, on it is a great pity, such forces, means and reserves, well, there are no sides at the moment, i emphasize once again, the village of my aunt is very important, but it is not sanitary... on the territory of russia along the northern border with ukraine, so we see that it is a god-pleasing thing to destroy russians on the territory of russia? yes of course. but

you know, i watched the operations of our special forces, i have been watching the organization of sabotage work for a long time, you know, when there were serious confrontations in bashkirtostan, there it was necessary to help the bashkirs, to let some blood to the russian policemen, and believe me, it would be much bigger effect than the village of tiotkino, although it should not be discounted, i emphasize once again, that the work of the rdk and all other units in the north of our country, on the territory of the russian ... federation, is also a god-pleasing matter, regarding the transfer of hostilities to the territory of the aggressor. that is, mr. mayor, as far as i understand, you assume that the russians can enter the territory of the sumy region much deeper than they have now? yes, i suppose that they can simply make another, let's say, a source of pressure on our armed forces and stretching the reserves of our armed forces.

today they took place in kharkiv oblast, i think that in the near future, when they will do the same thing somewhere in some areas of sumy oblast, well, let's put it this way, of course, this should not pass without a trace for our intelligence, we should have an understanding of where and what forces they are accumulating. i want to remind the audience that on april 3, the main intelligence agency came out and said that everyone who talks about the kharkiv direction is all russian ipso, you are kremlin agents. this is not a quote, but these are the approximate theses of gur's spokesman, mr. yusov. only one month and 10 days later, the same yuso came out and said: we knew exactly when they would go, how many of them would go and where they would go. then i have a question in that problem: why didn't they attack before the russians deployed in combat formations? why didn't they hit earlier only when the russians were huddled in one or another spot, as if you knew. here

are some of my complaints about today's ones. our propagandists, sometimes in military uniform, at great cost. well, by the way, about scouts, you mentioned scouting. zelensky met with leaders of ukrainian intelligence and based on the results of this meeting, he said that the disruption of the peace summit in switzerland has become the main task of russian diplomacy and foreign intelligence for the near future. let's listen to what zelensky said? there were intelligence reports, gur. and the ssr, including with regard to russian efforts to disrupt the peace summit and the participation of world powers, oppose the russian desire to continue and expand the war. mr. major, please tell me what you expect from this global peace summit, can it provide answers to questions we have? this summit will not bring any peace, this summit will not provide

any guarantees. that struggle of confrontation against russia, this summit does not make an iron curtain on the territory of russia, so that they, as they say, so-called sanctions could be applied by those countries that will be there, for this summit, i do not know the information to date , but i know that the global south is not really going, well, as far as i know, brazil, the republic of south africa are definitely not going, india seems to be saying that they are going, but... nevertheless, let's talk, if we are talking about the peace summit, then what is there for our victory? i have never once heard from zelensky that he has a strategy for victory, a strategy for peace, okay, then why in this strategy for peace, in those ten points, i did not see the word nato, that's one thing. further, zelenskyi recently stated that exactly what three directions are expected from that summit, and what do we see, instead of 10 points of the peace formula from zelenskyi, i emphasize, without nato, we hear

that... issues need to be resolved at this summit shipping, at this summit the issue of environmental and nuclear safety must be resolved, and at this summit the issue of exchange and release of our hostages must be resolved. i'm sorry, but where are the rest of the points of mir zelenskyi's formula. that is, you understand what we are talking about today, the summit itself will not bring any peace. as a political statement, yes, but then let's say frankly, well, biden is not going there, xi jinping is clearly not going there. so, please tell me, in addition to this political statement, are we expanding the anti-putin coalition and strengthening sanctions at this summit? no, then please tell me the purpose? well, but the goal can probably be determined by the person who is responsible for such summits, this is mr. yermak, why we do not have a clause about nato out of the 10 points of zelenskyi’s peace formula, and why instead of these ten, we are now limited to some three incomprehensible