well, from my point of view, this is a waste of time, because the situation in most of these countries in terms of the influence of society on the authorities is minimal, and moreover, the role of these dictatorships is growing, even in a country like kazakhstan, despite to the fact that the president himself is a person who was brought up, let's say so, in some... critical frameworks, but what is important here is that these countries are now quite strongly justified by the british government, and there are certain advances in terms of the movement of these countries, especially in the enforcement part the role of this eye of a needle through which the führer of moscow pulls a camel. in the form

of dual technologies there, let's say, components for weapons and so on, in this plan we need to work, if we talk about this interview that was given to the army and the journalists who were present there, it is certainly important for the part that is interested in, let's say , the sphere of politics, which wants to know about it. oh, but unfortunately, such a part of society in these countries, states, it is very, very small, because, therefore, to talk about a serious influence such informational factors, and in general , from my point of view, similar things should be done, and a dialogue should be conducted, and in this regard, i would advise to make more use of diplomatic representations of ukraine. and which should constantly be, let

's say, a channel that would inform the societies of these states, but unfortunately, if we take practice, including the first persons of diplomatic missions, they very rarely appear on the airwaves in these countries, with appear in the media, appear among, let's say, modern electronic mass media, and moreover, i can tell you that... when i was listening to the president in this interview, i kept thinking whether he was considering the fact that some of the information, some of the theses he is saying are unlikely to be understood in principle by those on who is this interview intended for, that is, the point is that these societies live by their tradition, their habits, their concepts, their meaning, and... speaking, let's say,

the anxieties of a ukrainian, they cannot be pierced, well, life is like that, that i happened to be in these countries at the beginning of my adulthood, i understand the kazakh very well, i have seen him for a long time, and is roughly aware of how much of his life he can give, well, in order to devote to an international problem, you will object to me, say, well, it is hardly a waste. people in general, and this applies only to specialists, but the fact is that if in ukraine a politician, the president, he is forced by force, let's say, the scheme that has developed, to somehow respond to the mood of society, then in those countries we are talking about , these things are very rare, if they happen there periodically once or twice every few years, or even decades, well, that's not the case when they will somehow...

well, look, the president of kazakhstan kasim dzhomar takayev recently visited yerevan, met with prime minister nikol pashinyan, we understand that this is an act, the truth, which is dictated by the understanding of the new the situation that is currently developing in the post-soviet space, and before that the same takayev celebrated his 70th anniversary in the company of xi jinping, and there was a china central asia summit, where, as we understand, russia was not invited, that is, they are also making moves there now , which would seem not yet... c in the recent past, you see, if, relatively speaking, nussultan nazarbayev knew that some post-soviet politician was out of favor with yeltsin or putin, he would not have flown in his life. you know, the other day i looked at the materials of the meeting of the president of kyrgyzstan with representatives of the security agencies of the cis countries, read his speeches, then inquired about the speeches of these gray-faced men. grandfathers, about what

they said there, and it all reeked of salk mold so much that from my point of view, yes... ah, yes, if you take, well, in particular the president kazakhstan, he is capable of a certain step, i did not accidentally name him as one of those who are capable of such things, but one must understand the dependence of kazakhstan and all these countries on russia. if, for example, i touch upon the issue of hydrocarbons and the entire sphere, let's say, which is related to oil and gas, then ah... neither such, nor its entourage, nor the entire sector, nor the government, they step cannot do in order not to ask moscow how they should act, for today pashinyan is put in conditions where he has nowhere to go, he is alone

the leader of the world remained, this is paris, and the way they treated him from moscow, they do not treat even enemies in the situation in which he found himself, therefore... understanding, let's say, the role of all participants in this process, these actors of international relations, we can say that central asia and the caucasus are currently such a piece that is being played out in the interests of major geopolitical and continental players, what can come out of this, well, as we can see, today georgia has been taken over by russia, armenia is currently on the stock market. what the final will be, that's all big question azerbaijan has already made up its mind, it has a blind guide, this is turkey, and it must also be understood here that there is a big question mark in azerbaijan, because it is unlikely that erdogan is able to lead azerbaijan down

some, even if not darkened, non-dead end road, but what refers to five central asian. states, then they would have to solve their problems, which smack of feudal-level problems, and not modern ones, so you have such, let's say, overdrinking, with which you have to somehow get along, and even in the central asian states, those who gave hope, well, in particular, as the president of kyrgyzstan, they turned into ordinary peasants, regimes that they mastered in these states. but on the other hand, you see, they are solving the issue that the ukrainian elite has been dreaming of solving for years, they have established special relations with china as a guarantor of their sovereignty, what concerns china, yes, temporarily they have solved something, but conditionally speaking, let's do this, ah, let's ask whether

the president of kazakhstan or the president of uzbekistan, who know that in the concentration camps in the camps together with the uighurs there are... uzbeks, kazakhs, tajiks, i am not talking about the situation that is developing there between the tajiks and uzbeks with afghanistan and so on, and they are generally aware of the problem when they go to the fact that they are messing with sydzenypin , and at the same time, among the 40 million who are in concentration camps in china, there are hundreds of thousands of the same kazakhs, uzbeks, and so on, what is the price of all this and how will their own citizens look at them. as for, as you understand, all the projects that have been talked about up to this point, ah, there is one belt, one road, then they have already reached a seam, yes, at the moment, china has really

invested in these countries somewhere around 300 billion, but these roads, these communications, they did not lead the situation anywhere, they simply stalled as a result of the fact that russia's aggression against ukraine began, a deadlock occurred, and now these countries are in debt, with china's seizure of the gold and currency reserves, because these resources were allocated only under the fact that virtually all the capital stored in national banks of these states, and how should they be in this situation now, there are huge problems, is there a way for them , there is a solution, it is to bet on the civilized world, but does the civilized world accept this challenge and this pass, well, let's see the results of the visit of lord david cameron, the minister of foreign affairs of great britain to this region, so far it is absolutely

fruitless, except that the situation has been scanned, they have agreed to negotiate and nothing else, however, and iran, and the threat. from the south of the militants from and the taliban from afghanistan, it is growing, i am not saying all that connected with the so-called state of kharasan. which hangs over these states and simply uses them in its terrorist actions. please tell me, but when the president addresses the world leaders in his address, simply to the president of the united states and to the president of the people's republic of china, in fact as equal world leaders and calls them to come to switzerland. is this the right approach? well, from my point of view, i would not advise doing it and... and through whom to put the president of the united states of america with the president of brazil there and

others, this cannot be done, but, as you understand, i am far, far from being able to listen to me in the company of the president, what and how to say to him, it seems to me that it is, but it does not seem to me i am convinced that this cannot be done. it seems to me that this is the current picture of the world in which the united states and china are... on equal terms and have equal opportunities to influence moscow, china may even have more opportunities, that is, in our minds, many representatives of the ukrainian political elite, including and those people who are in power, you said absolutely right here, but not in my head, not in yours, yes, but in many people's minds, so be it, they are this picture of a bipolar world, i don't really understand what to do with it, they believe in it , you see, well, if they believe, then who is to blame for this, we will not change them, they continue... to believe in this world that they have built in their heads, well, it will end,

at least it is bad for them personally, because it is impossible to solve the problem by following this path, because it actually has an effect reverse character, and when they tell me that beijing influences the führer of moscow, i simply do not understand, well, it is obvious that history was not taught, the textbook... was smoked in school, he instituted lectures on history about, maybe the teachers were such who they didn't convey what should have been conveyed, well, that's it again, it's not our problem. tell me, in principle, if we are talking about these diplomatic efforts that are currently being made by kyiv and moscow, kyiv regarding the peace summit in switzerland, moscow regarding the brics ministerial meeting in moscow, there will be two polar documents that will be offered. the end of the war, how will it all end? well, brics is not today's thing, it was planned

a year ago, since the sco summit will be held in parallel with it in a few weeks, that is, it is a matter of moscow's geopolitical game, again moscow's, not china's, by the way, it was discussed under time of the last meeting between putin and xi jinping. to what extent it will be declared excluded things, in words yes, but if speaking. about the documents that can be accepted, then in principle, and what these documents can mean for both sides, let's say let's ask a question, and at least if we talk about the civilized world, then it will understand that the brics, the shoos and so on, they are moving along a path in which evil will crystallize, and there it is obvious, it is clear that india, an extra participant... of this circles, but due to the problems that exist in india, they will be there for some time, but it was already seen

during the previous summit that without introducing a single currency for settlements, they stopped in their development. as for the summit in switzerland, no matter how beautiful, meaningful, even ultimatum documents were not accepted there, neither the fuhrer of moscow, nor the dictator. red chinese, no, ayatollahs, iranian, they will not accept, as you understand, it is to be implemented, moreover, i expect that they will laugh at certain provisions, at the participants of this uniform, at the number of these participants and so on, i i would recommend, especially to the ukrainian side, that they find people, participants and representatives from certain countries at this forum. which would demonstrate the true position which

now must occupy the world in relation to both the führer and the entire axis of evil, and the essence of this position must be reflected in the unification of forces, in the formation of a joint command, in the formation of a defense-industrial complex, common on the principle of division of labor and certain functions, and planning and strategies. and tactics for defeating the führer, because in fact, if you look, including at the news of evil, at the actions of iran and china, then they are completely wrong. which is dictated by moscow. thank you, mr. roman. the novel is immortal, we were in touch, ukrainian politician and diplomat. and now let's talk about what is happening in germany, in europe, serhiy sumleny, german political scientist, director of the initiative center. european sustainability. mr. serhiy, glad to see you. good evening. thank you for inviting me. well, let's

try to understand what the german political elite's ideas about what is happening are now, in principle. the russian-ukrainian war, but today there was a recent publication of spiegel about the fact that estonian deputies warned their german colleagues, that if the aid to ukraine is insufficient, and russia makes a strategic breakthrough and the very existence of the ukrainian state is called into question, then poland and the baltic countries will enter their troops on the territory of ukraine to prevent its complete disappearance from the political map of the world. i understand that this is exactly what the federal chancellor fears, that this war will become a nato war and turn into world war iii with everything. consequences, but maybe then he should be more active? well, to put it briefly, the idea of ​​the german political elites about what is happening in the russian-ukrainian war, is very perishable, and in fact, they absolutely either do not want or are unable to see either the level of challenges or the level of responsibility of germany, so we

see that germany has completely and finally switched to the format. preparations for the elections first to the european parliament, which will be held on june 9, and then the elections to the bundestag, which will be held in september next year, and in this pre-election discussion, in principle , there is no city for ukraine at all, except, therefore, attempts to instrumentalize ukraine, and on the kind that is one of the most inconvenient for ukraine, namely... to push ukraine to any so-called peace with russia, that 's where the problem lies, we see that chancellor scholz repeats at every meeting that meetings with voters , by the election women, i mean, i emphasize that, therefore, it is impossible to give ukraine neither anti-personnel weapons, nor

to allow ukraine to strike on the sovereign territory of russia, its... from the governing bodies of the spd, the social democratic party insist that only such a path is a responsible path of an adult political elite to peace and to stability, everything else will suddenly lead to a nuclear apocalypse, and even there, well, there are some absolutely shameful things in them, so they fall out of the mouth, as we say, here is the general secretary of the spd, kevin künart, that is, in fact, the head of the party. yesterday he was on the air of one of germany's biggest talk shows and was asked by the host that in fact she is so pro-russian in her talk show format, she asked him what the general line with the dpn is, that is , to freeze the conflict or in order to

to help president putin, and kunart suddenly immediately dismissed her... introduced both of them like that, because there is no contradiction between these two goals, that is, even if it was his, let's say, mistake, he was there, i don't know, worried or something, was tired, this basically corresponds to what spd is doing, it is actually helping putin, which means finding some way out of defeat, and other political parties in the government coalition. i.e. the greens and the liberals, they are not ready to put scholz under enough pressure to win, in fact everyone is now waiting for the first election in order to see what the result will be and to instrumentalize it further in the next elections, and until this happens, ukrainian, ukrainian dependence on western weapons from the german side does not receive

help, well, what if there is some joint. the will of the allies, how will germany act in this situation, who will have the last word in europe? well, look, first of all, if we take the formal aspect, the commander-in-chief of the german army in peacetime is the minister of defense, that is, the chancellor has no relation to the bundeswehr at all, the mandate for the use of the bundeswehr outside the borders of germany is granted by the bundestag, not by the federal chancellery, but the commander-in-chief is the minister of defense pistorius, who is enough... hawk, although of course he is such a social-democratic hawk, that is, you know, we thank god for what we have, such a we have a social-democratic yashup, so what? nothing to do here, but in fact, in fact, that is, despite the fact that in germany, formal things have their influence, in fact scholz

usurped power in these cases, and using, therefore, the text of the main the law, the constitution, which says that the chancellor provides a general framework for the government's policy, but he interprets it in such a way that he must control... everything that concerns important moments, the war between ukraine and russia is an important moment, so if he was in charge there everyone, that is, in fact, of course, the bundeswehr, neither at the material and technical level, nor even less at the personnel level, in this war, if the consent of scholz is needed, and it is needed, will not take part, but what you mentioned, or poland and the baltic countries can press him, this is really a very good moment, because we know that the only thing that works on sholka is unlimited, massive pressure, it worked with the leopards, it also worked with the artillery, but now it is not working, because

the pressure is not enough, because the government party refused to put pressure, so if now, let's say, poland, latvia, lithuania, estonia will send at least a battalion of their armed forces into ukraine, then scholz will be forced to act and... germany will choose in his person, will choose the path that germany under scholz has chosen for many years, that is, not to be a leading country, but to move in overall fairway one or two steps outside the leaders. tell me what happened to the alternative for germany, that even marine le pen decided to get rid of it? well, you know, it's like in the old joke that if someone survived there, it means from... a foothold for cruelty, but the same thing happened here, but marie le pen, she, marine le pen, she basically demonstrated quite a lot of time his, his skepticism about

the alternative for germany, despite all lipen's connections with moscow, despite her loan from a russian bank and so on, because, well, the alternative for germany is not, let's say yes, by french, by french standards, she is too much. after all , the right is radical and neo-nazi even in certain circles, that is, there are leaders who can officially be called neo-nazis, according to a court decision, there are people who, let’s say, directly said in the internal chats of the adn that they want a civil war in germany, they want to see piles of corpses on the streets there, they want to do their own thing on these corpses, that means physiological needs and so on. so on and so forth, and adn constantly gets into scandals, and the latest scandals are espionage scandals , which means receiving money allegedly

from the russian embassy and espionage, employees of the adn faction on china, again, le pen also had her connections with moscow, but such a density of scandals, it obviously has its consequences , but for the adn, this... is not a problem, that is, for the adn it is not a problem, the adn is now the second most popular party in germany, the first is the christian democratic union, the second is the adn, in certain regions of germany it is the first in the popularity of the party, that is, we are talking first of all about the eastern regions, thuringia, saxony, saxony, angelt, and the problem is that we have in september, on september 1, elections in several regions of germany, germany is a federal country, that is... the regions elect their own parliaments, the parliaments appoint the prime minister or the prime minister, and these regions, they have a substantial influence on the state policy

of germany, including foreign policy, although according to the constitution they do not have such competence, but due to such a balance and equilibrium of interests, they actually have this one influence, and here we have a good risk that in thuringia we will have a prime minister or a chairman. of the shadow government and a man who controls 40% of, say, the parliament there, a man who was allowed by the court to be called a neo-nazi, and who openly uses the slogans of, let's say, the nazis of the real nazi times of hitler, ah, so, organizations, and who made it his political credo, that is, it is not something that he is inclined to, and here, but it is not his... trick, no, it is his trick, he does it consciously, and this is the problem, because if the adn won't even form governments in thuringia or in saxon angel or where, she can safely

block. the political process there, and most importantly, if you have 38% or 35% of the voters, in elections they vote for the adn, the adn turns into the largest party in the region, but is forced to go into the opposition, because absolutely everyone, from communists to christian democrats, that is, conservatives , do not want to bring them to power, then the voters want to see themselves deceived, they see that their political will is not fulfilled, and these are radicals. there are even more of them, this meeting does not scare you at all of the leaders of the right-wing parties, which took place in the far-right parties, let's be precise, which took place in madrid, during a special such event of the vox party of the far-right spanish, where everyone was either in their own participation or in video mode, but there were representatives of those far-right forces that, as a rule they absolutely cannot find

a common language among themselves, at one... the same meeting of marine le pen and george melena. there is no danger of such a union of the ultra-right. i call fox international. and the question arises, what will happen with the support of ukraine? because i read in the madrid publication elpais, that polish former prime minister matiusz morawiecki, who represented the law and justice party in this meeting. in fact, no one was interested in his slogans of support for ukraine. despite that, there are pro-moscow people, not pro-moscow people, it's just not... i'm not interested, i mean, how, well, of course, it causes some concern, but i'm afraid of completely different things, i'm healed by that chancellor scholz will be with us for another year and a half, as if for less, that makes me feel better these are the things that make me happy that president biden has a person who actually defines

america. politics in the direction of the russian-ukrainian war, like jake salevan, that kind of thing scares me, it scares me that there china can start an operation against taiwan, and the situation will completely get out of control, because all the right radicals at this meeting, well, it is obvious that there a bunch of pro-russian characters, but there is nothing new in this, such moments with the pocket, that is, the right and the left of the ussr. had for years and decades, that is, we can still see it the times there of the 1960s and 70s, and the support of all these circles there, that is, from there, from the palestinian liberation army to there, the irish army, and the same in germany, that is, if the problem, which has its influence

only , if we do not have answers to the main challenge, and the main challenge is moscow's aggressive policy, that is, conditionally speaking, if in may 22 of the year ukraine were handed over all the weapons that ukraine would need and russia would receive a decisive defeat sometime before october, and not a partial defeat there in kharkiv, in chernihiv, partly, then in november in kherson, the situation would be completely different and russia would have no strength. or mobilize all your agents and supporters and mobilize your support in iran, in china, in north korea, and so on, and you will rebuild a new war economy and then start this operation of sabotage in countries, that is , blow up warehouses there, in us, well, look , if in germany there are regular acts of sabotage, which can obviously

be connected, as far as i am concerned. with moscow, well, in the last week, explosives and detonators were accidentally found near the oil pipeline, which means near heidelberg, there is a huge nato base, there was something there, some explosives with detonators were there, ah, so this happens regularly, that is, if we did not give moscow the opportunity to put pressure on us from all sides, to provoke estonia there by that they remove these border markings there. er, that is, to provoke sweden, by the fact that they published some for, that is, their demand to change the fairway in the baltic sea, then they withdrew it, then there was nothing in it, all these right-wing radical parties, they have their influence only within the limits, as far as we allow them, and to use our problems, economically, economic and other nature, to the extent that they have this connection.