uh, it can be connected to moscow, to a lesser extent, but last week they accidentally found explosives and detonators near the oil pipeline , which means near heidelberg, there is a huge nato base, there was something there, some explosives with detonators were there, ah, so , and this happens regularly, that is , if we did not give moscow the opportunity to put pressure on us from all sides, to provoke estonia there by the fact that they shoot the border guards there. marking, means to provoke sweden by the fact that they published some there for, means, their demand to change the fairway in the baltic sea, then they withdrew, then there was nothing about it, all these right radical parties, they have their influence only within the limits, as far as we allow them, and to use our problems, economic, economic and other nature, b, as far as they have their own. .. so, as antey had a connection,

that is, with gaia, with the earth, as far as they have a connection with moscow, if these two factors are not there, then their influence is not there, the adn would never have its 30 or so percent , if the chancellor of germany would demonstrate that germany can be a leader in the world, in europe, like a sword and defeat a totalitarian regime, if germany were such a leader that poland, the czech republic and others would follow, then all those who wanted... a great germany there, which is respected, which means that it can demonstrate leadership, they all did not vote for the adn, but for the ssdp, but now scholz is trying to intercept the votes of the adn by bending even more towards moscow, thinking that in this way he can intercept the votes adn, this is completely false and unpromising, an unpromising strategy, but you will not be afraid that the ultra-right factions in the new european parliament will be so serious that they will change. the very face of europe in this

situation? well, the european parliament, fortunately, is a very neutered body, it does not have a legislative initiative, of course, it has its powers there, say, voting for the candidacy of the head of the european commission, there is the confirmation of commissioners, but even they are all one parliament itself no ee, so does not offer, that is... what you say, of course, is an objective process, and it is not safe, indeed the voices of radical parties are increasing in the world, and in europe in particular, but again, why they are increasing, people cannot find why they can trust the traditional parties, the democratic parties, if you want, let's say, i can to speak for germany, it has obviously been destroyed in germany. social contract between the state and

the population, well, bearing in mind, of course, that the state is an instrument of the population, that is, that format of the existence of the german state, which was formed by the population through 75 years of the german democratic state, now on may 23 we celebrated 75 years of the german basic law, it is violated because the social contract...is that we pay a lot of taxes, we delegate a lot of our rights in germany, the state, well, for example, there from the fact that a person cannot change his name freely, because the state does not allow you to manage this process, ending with the fact that you cannot work there on sunday, or there are other points, that is, taxes high, of such liberalism in the format of lasifer, his too there is no but it's a very safe life, a very

large social insurance, and the government is so worried and takes care of you that you'll never end up in poverty, and nothing will ever happen to you, and now it turns out that it's not working, that poverty is really growing, the danger increases from the level of hard drug use there, and you see it on the streets of berlin, when people if it's still... san francisco, but it's moving in that direction, ah, so shootings and knives are becoming everyday, and of course that there, the yellow media blow it up, of course, it 's so little, you know, it's hard to compare the level of danger in berlin, with the level of danger in kharkiv, let's say, yes, but still people feel it, and they don't feel that the state institutions are working, that is of course, it sounds funny, but when a person cannot... in a reasonable amount of time

get the opportunity to issue a new, say, passport, or register at the address of residence, then if... this person does not have a lot of strategic vision and does not have any moral limitations of voting against adn, then she votes for adn simply so that everyone up there, so that they can see that she is dissatisfied, that is, it is such a big hole, it means that they are showing these elites, well, this is how trump was in his time and so on, and this is the problem that the radicals, they really address their speeches to real people. although, of course, their recipes will never work, but people see this only after they vote for the radicals. thank you, mr. sergey. serhii sumlenny, a german political scientist, was with us connection and now to the republic of lithuania, the second round of the

lithuanian presidential election has just ended. gitanes nauseda, the current president and prime minister ingrida shumonite, fought for the post of president in the second round. viktor chernyshuk, lithuanian journalist, head of public. organization of the ukrainian house in lithuania is in touch with us. congratulations, mr. viktor. congratulations. so, 49% of lithuanian citizens, registered voters voted in this second round. there are no results yet, i think they will be soon. how are you at all? perceive this. oh no, there are already summaries. 83% of the votes were received by the president gitenas nauseda. she received 14% of the votes. ingrid chomanite from about it. on 867 ballots, so to speak, polling stations since 1895, well, in principle, the trend is already clear, we can say, mr. victor, that hytenos neoseda was re-elected for a second term, taking into account this ratio, right? i wouldn't be in such

a hurry, because you know lithuania very well, and now, well, we can say that only small towns and villages have counted. and big cities and medium-sized cities, there are not even any data yet, well, i understand, but if you take into account, take into account the trend, i don’t mind, yes, yes, to some extent, but this trend was also in the first round, during the first round, uh, i don't think that there will be any such intrigue or some, i don't know, surprise, everything is as planned, before... they thought that after all neuseda would be the president for a second term, there was another intrigue at all, by the fact that he accumulates forces that to a certain extent reflect somewhere, well, i don't know, half a million inhabitants of lithuania,

and for lithuania, there are many who look not to the west, but to the east, that is, there are... russians, clearly such, it was the first time in lithuania that such candidates appeared who were openly pro-russia, and, but these candidates as far as i understand, they will not, they are not supporters of these candidates, they hardly have their candidate in the second round, however, that's the problem, they said that their candidate is then, well, that is. not to vote for a shomonite as a representative of the conservatives, yes, yes, they will not vote for it, that's a fact, and therefore, well with such, it will still be for used, how much for the president for used, it is important that

he has such a part of the electorate, but for president zelensky, we remember, in the 19th year, he could also obviously count on that part of the electorate that voted for pro-russian candidates, but his position was very... not different from the position of the same yuriy boyk there, even the pre-election position. from the last statements to the session, we immediately understood that this part of the electorate is still very important to him, as he said that it is necessary to to speak with them, and this was a complement in that direction, and i think that it is not only vaitkusa who is such a zhimaitais, he is more... a disguised person in his views, but it only looks like that. and to be honest, i don't understand if you 're talking about this as if it's some kind of new phenomenon, it's never happened before, and again, well, i 'm sorry, but viktor uspassky's labor party has always been a party that was

in one way or another connected with russian narratives. the president of lithuania, rolanda spaksa, lost his position, he was impeached, due to the fact that in he had contacts with a dubious russian businessman. after that, he resumed his political career and even became a member of the european parliament. in the communist party of independent lithuania, which later became the labor party, some people were always found. which in one way or another were connected with moscow, if i look at 30 years of lithuania's restored independence, i see it all the time from the first to the last day, what happened so new? many people? i think that such frank, no-no, vitaly, such frank supporters of putin we didn't have, there was no war, because the situation itself changed completely, you know, you understand that lithuania is now one of the leaders... er, you can say of the european union and nato, which

is constantly pushing to support ukraine, the european union in one way, and nato in another, but those people are not, and we have never had such a thing before. well, look, after all, candidate vaitko got votes from the first round, first of all in... let's say, in the russian-speaking environment, so where nuclear power plant specialists worked, it was always a city with even not with the russian-speaking, this is the wrong definition, with the russian population, with people who moved to lithuania already after 1940, you do not have such a large population, this time, and the border with belarus, where the polish population lives, its some call the polish-speaking belarusian population, this is such a... complex, i would say, ethnic history, but this is an opportunity to play on

the sentiments of national minorities, or on people, on the sentiments of people who still watch russian television, russian sources of information, it is not something so serious the split in the traditional lithuanian electoral audience, well, there is, there is a split, you know, in what, what about visagines and shalchenenko, which you just mentioned. such a large region is called, it is the whole of western lithuania, it is western lithuania, and they voted for e people who are exactly against, oppose aid to ukraine and are more or less pro-russian, and why, this is news, žimaiti, by and large, it the cradle of lithuanian national identity. true, but this is a poor region compared to others, maybe it is economic well compared to

all vilnius are poor regions, i would say so, well, i wouldn't say so, well listen, well , if you live in kaunas, you don't feel such a gap, if you live in šauliai, well, no, it's not like that poor man, i was joking, well, i say conventionally speaking, like the condition of the people, so well in... they have such a slight resentment towards vilnius, as one person there said, one of the presidential candidates before the first round, he said, that there is such dissatisfaction that there is vilnius and there is lithuania. well, that's it. i wanted to ask you something they pass on to people. about this story with the appearance on the website of the ministry of defense. of the russian government to the proposals of the ministry of defense of russia to unilaterally change

the maritime borders with lithuania and finland and i was honestly surprised by how different the reaction was in vilnius and helsinki, because in vilnius they spoke quite harshly about it, and prime minister kamanite, and president naoseda and other political leaders spoke very carefully in helsinki, they said that there was nothing to worry us, i think that... they discussed it, after all, they also discussed it in recently, seven countries came to riga, you know these seven countries, that is, from norway to ukraine, ukraine is also one of the seven countries bordering russia, and it seems to me that we have, we are dealing with a provocation after all. and, of course, it is not very good if

a corvette appears near the shores of klaipeda, as they say now, that they can appear on such a basis, completely legal, after their statements, this is such unpleasant news, but i think that the reaction is now discussed in the offices, society. not really i see why why yes i say why, do you understand why society is... interested in this, well, i would be interested in changing the maritime, maritime border of my own state, let's say, well, you, they stole tanks, near the banks of the narva, this is also that, this is also my situation, no i know, in a civilized, civilized country

, this is impossible, but in russia, everything is possible, they took the tanks and stole them, well, i say the same here, maybe, but in fact, i don’t know much about it, i only have such sources official, that is, they are official, but not allowed to be widely reported audience, but i know that this is being discussed in lithuania and in other countries, well, vitaliy, i don't know what to say, to add exactly to that, but this word, i can repeat, is a provocation on the part of russia, and all that they are doing, this is an attempt to take revenge, to order these countries that help ukraine, absolutely all of them, this is finland, and the baltic countries, and poland, and this

will be done by russia, even no one has no doubt that they will contain . that is, you actually believe that this is such an attempt to take revenge, including for finland's accession to nato, you are right, yes, this is revenge, in your opinion, are the baltic countries ready not to respond to such actions, if there is some kind of hybrid veto, they are preparing, but not ready, now we are talking about it a lot, discussing, discussing, but they are not quite ready yet. we are not ready, we were not ready, as we were not ready for disinformation either, i think that here we need to turn to ukraine, to ukrainian journalists, for help, because the experience that ukraine has, in terms of disinformation, no one has, well

, it seems to me that ukraine was also not ready at one time when all this happened to it all this russian disinformation came out. but now, but now such, well, unfortunately, such an experience is not good, so that it would not be better at all, but, well, there is, there is. thank you, mr. victor. viktor chernyshuk, lithuanian journalist, head of the ukrainian house public organization in lithuania, and he and i discussed the results of the second round of the presidential elections of the republic of lithuania, while we were talking with mr. viktor, they count very quickly in lithuania, they counted that... more votes, 1,102 polling stations, not ballots, 1,102 elections and polling stations with 1895, the president of the republic of lithuania gitanas nauseda is the leader of this race with 80, almost 2% of the votes of the voters, in the prime minister ingrid

shumanito, who was his main opponent in these elections, and... passed together with the current head of state to the second round less than 17 % of voters' votes, the counting of votes will continue, but we perfectly understand that the trend will not change, ms. šamanita can really win votes in the big cities of lithuania, but the representative of the city will definitely remain for a second term in office of the president of the republic of lithuania, which in principle was expected before that. before these elections, now we will take a break for literally 5 minutes and continue our program, more in the joints is so piercing, it is impossible to get used to it, it does not allow to move, in the pharmacy i bought a yellow dolgit cream, it saves me from pain in rheumatism, dolgit cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility, dolgit is the only yellow

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pasichnyk, swedish-ukrainian pianist, director of the ukrainian institute in sweden, congratulations ms. natalia, nice to see you, good day, thank you very much for the invitation, you know, i want to start our conversation with this reasoning about a certain cultural schizophrenia, in which we lived for ten years, we continue to live after the beginning. of the great war, that is, to a ten-year-old ukrainian performers, ukrainian artists, ukrainian, i would say, journalists, told the world about russian culture, about the connection of russian ukrainian cultures, about tchaikovsky and prokofiev, who are connected with ukraine, and actually did not talk about what is directly related to, i would say, high ukrainian culture, i am not talking now about folklore, about any such things, but about what, in principle, is part of our cultural outlook, if we are talking about high culture, about ... an opera, about a ballet, about a big one literature, about poetry, etc. for 2.5 years , ukrainian artists, instead of telling that we have all this, go around

everyone everywhere and try to... ban russian culture, that is, they try to fight against what they have been promoting for decades in a row, and for all my remarks , maybe we can talk about ours, we can't always talk about russian either with a plus sign or a minus sign? i meet complete misunderstanding, because i have the impression that people understood, as they understood, that you can make a career in russian then, so they understand what you can do for a career in russian now, and ukraine sometimes falls into tartarification, you know, all the time, and here i have a simple question, how should we... advance ukrainian, because how should we fight against russian, i already i definitely understand that there will be an army of people ready to make a career out of this whole story, but how to show the world that ukraine exists? you know, you just took all the words from me, from my, practically, what i wanted, very well, nice wrong word, it really gives me hope at all, that you are discussing what to me, as i

watch and listen to the ukrainian... informational space, it seems to me that this topic in general is somewhat in the shadows, and i understand that the survival of the nation is at stake in our country, we are currently under missile attacks and the like , and talking about culture may not be at the right time, but i have been living in the west for 30 years, for more than 30 years i have seen the transformation of this vision of ukraine from the 90s to our time, so to speak, from a collective event, from the 90s, yes, when you can definitely describe it... call it the best is the speech of george bush, who said that no, do not vote, because ukraine is part of russia, so in the year 91, er, 2004, when for the first time they looked at ukraine as something so exotic, but still their own , and of course, the year 2014, well, the year 2022, and this transformation, i always ask myself the question, well, why are we not heard, well, we say so much for now for for... well, this

is clearly unfair war, that's how we talk about what we need, and we would be heard, but all the time late, all the time, and here i am after so many years, being i am probably looking at it from my point of view, i still think, on a subconscious level, in a collective event, the idea of ​​the country is built on knowledge of culture, and ukrainian... culture, cultural heritage - it has always been some kind of white spot, and you absolutely rightly said that the russian cultural heritage in them, that is, russia in them is associated with high culture, no matter who you ask, this is the country, they will all name dostoevsky and tchaikovsky and the like, and we helped them a lot in this all these years, that's how you said it was some kind of well, i actually wanted to ask you a question, because i do not live in ukraine, it is very far away, how to explain this kind of stockholm syndrome, that even

now, when we are being bombed... then, then, there is, for example, such a narrative in society that it's okay, for example, even our conservatory still has tchaikovsky's surname, and i think that, without some strategy, it is probably impossible to achieve this, because the way we do this cultural diplomacy now, i i will tell you about the ukrainian institute, how it was founded, and what in general, i tell stories, it was always an impulse, i was on tour in... in paris and told mine, and it was 2016 14, i told my colleagues about russia, about history, how they behaved with us, how they looted just then crimea and the like, and they listened to me, looked at it, everyone said, well, what you are telling, this cannot be, that they have tchaikovsky, they have dostoevsky, well, even more so in france, in in general, they have such a great piety before russia, and i thought to myself, it is much on a subconscious level

stronger than this, that it is... right, wrong, or something like that, that is, it is somehow formed in them, but they know nothing about ukraine, but they know about russia, and of course, well, this became the impetus for to create this ukrainian institute, which in the end, right away in 2014, we turned to the ministry of culture of ukraine, and this is what started the conversation about the creation of a ukrainian institute in ukraine, but of course to compete with gazprom... with money or some of their propaganda, or is it us it is very difficult, but for me, so far in 2022 and after that actually i didn't understand this great war a bit, i probably told some of my colleagues and others, like you keep saying, what are the things, because look at it...