piety before russia, and i thought to myself, it is much stronger on a subconscious level than the fact that it is right, wrong or similar, that is, it is somehow formed in them, but they do not know anything about ukraine, but about russia they know, and of course, well, this became the impetus for creating this ukrainian institute, which in the end, right away in 2014, we turned to the ministry of culture of ukraine, and we started it. talk about the creation of a ukrainian institute in ukraine, but, of course, to compete with gazprom, money or their propaganda, or it is very difficult for us, but for me so far, in 2022 and after , this great war has not been understood a little, i must have told some of my colleagues and those, as you continue to say, who, well, look. i wanted

, i might, i will give such an example, this in my head from a collective event, we were a part of russia for so long, and i think that the cultural dimension played a very big role in this, and now that we had ukraine through russian culture, you can say, through tchaikovsky, through pushkin, and now it seems to have appeared this is a window of opportunity for ukraine, all platforms are pushing us forward. together with the russians, i am talking about my small or big puddle, yes about high music, and always, when they give the opportunity to represent ukrainian music, they always add some tchaikovsky or shostakovich, and people who have a core, who refuse this, turn out to be by some radicals, in contrast to those people who think that everything is okay, well, we have to present it to our ukrainians, and here we have this platform. and that's it

creates more confusion in the minds of this collective event, or so to speak, the listener, the viewer, and explaining to them that this is not so is much more difficult than if there was some specific such, no, well, we, we do not do this and we don't know this, so i don't know what it is about ours, that is, i know from the side of the west, but i know that ukrainian performers come, they want to make a career, this cultural platform is permeated, one might say, with metastases of russian money, they have to adapt and it is the way it is, and, well, whoever has the rod, he, er, he goes against the wind, but it is more difficult to stuff, but tell me, let's try to discuss a specific instrument, yes, we understand that on the stages of large opera houses, there are german operas, there are french operas, there are finally russian ones, but there are not so many of them either, well, what are chiakov's roman costs?

i will leave stravinsky on this, but this is no longer a russian opera, so to speak, like what we often see in the repertoire, but here i am, but there is also czech opera, of course, and polish, people who go to european opera houses , they know who is a scum, who is a dvorak, who is the puppeteer, they see it, opera houses are always looking for new material, because it is tiring to show the same thing, i can already remember about ballet, for decades, and the question arises, and we have a chance in... ukrainian opera show the stage of, let's say , the swedish opera house, and the ukrainian ballet, we have all this, we have this, we didn't always have a lot of it, because again, when there was a choice between ukrainian ballet and russian ballet, we always they chose russian, well, it's very simple, we had, let's say there this, what was it called, night before stankovich's christmas, which was specially written. ballet and it did not take place at

the kyiv opera, because it was considered that loskunchyk was more promising, and it was renamed so as not to be shown on the new year. it still goes by a different name, but it is like that, it is the past, maybe it will change, but if we offer it to european opera and ballet theaters, what should we do to really stage it, because i believe that if a person comes, here you are talking about the performance of some repertoire, relatively speaking, it is clear there in... well, in one and the other the package itself can be stuffed with lyatoshynsky, sylvestrov, shostakovich and rachmaninov and it will seem as if it is the music of the same space, but if you show the opera in stockholm, then everyone will understand that it is not a russian opera, but a ukrainian opera, it is just a different, different musical series , it can be done, you know, i didn’t know this about stankovich, what you told me about this opera is very interesting, it’s from my own...

i can say, actually, pounding this rock since 2014, that of course it's all possible, but it's all extremely difficult, because to fight with a nutcracker is practically to fight like a domquixote, and for this we need some kind of more state strategy, because when an artist comes and says: well, look, i want to play a concert for tushynskyi, he is so cool, that's one thing, and the second thing is how, for example, russia uses its resources, a certain pianist appears among them, let's say, even a not the best one, they take him and immediately all the venues wash him with this rahmani of theirs. and this rachmaninov concert is performed 150 times in the same, well, in all concert halls, i even more i will say, in general, the very concept of cultural diplomacy in ukraine, i would like to hear some discussion of the very definition of culture,

because well, look at what the russians gain, as a nation with a great culture, of course, money, empire and the like, but they all they are pushing their own... dostoevsky and tchaikovsky, they don't push some bugacheva or some commercial art, that's how it is in ukraine, if there are even some such at the state level they talk about cultural diplomacy, there is always some folklore worn, or commercial, and for example, to offer two or three operas to theaters at such a, if strategic, level, as you say, these are not going to work. pere-russian, this is literally sheykovsky and with ballet, there are three of his ballets, as well as with piano concerts, two or three piano concerts, but everyone knows that, and actually we have probably two or three piano concerts, as well as 22 and 3 operas, which at the state level somehow

need to make a strategy where there could be mechanisms for easy accessibility of these operas or these are true, but no one would think of playing lyutoslavskyi and rachmaninov in the same package, relatively speaking, because they are different, just different programs, a person can play rachmaninov's concerto, but he will not play lyutoslavskyi's concerto in the second movement according to logic

of a concert, that means, well, you can build programs in different ways, you can build programs not only according to a stylistic, kind of homogeneous, but some other concepts, for example, i will tell you about our festival, which... but it ended, and we were building a program about the concept , which was ukraine in how an integrated part of the european cultural heritage, and actually it was, well, the red thread of the festival, so well, programs can be built in different ways, but what is important in this is that you cannot mix it up, and that again, it brings confusion into the minds of this collective of the west, which creates a fake image of ukraine, further, that we are a part of this, a part of their space, but also that we do not have a high cultural heritage, but we do have it, and this strategic vision of the state is a little lacking for me, well, honestly i will tell you, but continuing the festival further,

i would like to say that, for example, such are not unrelated, kinship, as, for example, in the festival program, such as bach through the prism of a ukrainian musicologist, or... jazz with a lullaby of ukraine, that is, these are also not mixing things, but they can be mixed when there is a red thread, when there are some concepts, when i am of course of a very high artistic level, too, and this is very important, but let's talk about ukrainian cultural heritage and ukraine in general as a country with high culture, that is lonely for wrestlers or singles, well players, even if they have a very high status in society, it is very difficult, and here there is no strategy. the state cannot do without, maybe there are certain reasons for the public reaction to this high culture, because ukrainians have been convinced for decades that what is their culture is a folk festival, it is folkloric stuff, something that every

nation definitely has, and you know, this is also an absolutely important thing, there are whole countries with whole, i would say , folk music tv channels, which, although in sweden, as you know, all this is there, but it simply neighbors with another, and we don’t have it... they were neighbors, because when high culture began, it seemed to be russian, urban, and this is all rural culture, which is different, and what in sweden is harmoniously intertwined, then in ukraine is divided and... it is very difficult for people to accept that, and the russians have always told them, and continue to say, well, this is urban culture, and this is your village, well, promote your beautiful village, and we will be here in our city to make our culture, which is different from yours, because it is already the culture of the city, and when you try to explain to people that all the things that other nations have, ukrainians also have in large quantities, well, a simple example, you are talking about diplomacy abroad, in ukraine there have never been... until recently there were five or six years of radio classical music, it simply

did not exist, now there are a couple of radio stations, they are, ukraine was for a long time the only country in europe without radio classics, but recently i was driving in a taxi, radio classics were playing there, and it was lyatoshynskyi, if we do not have our own radio classical music , no one in the world of lyatoshinsky will hear, if it exists, we have it the chances that others will hear, this is a simple approach, if we ourselves are not interested in it, we cannot ... present it to someone else, and this is absolutely correct, but when i always came to visit my parents, well even before, it was very difficult for me in general was to be in some such public spheres, that there practically, even if it was already ukrainian, when we had these e, as it is called, on the radio, as it is called in ukrainian, 80% or 70% slots, yes ukrainian, it was always commercial music. that is, it was never possible to hear something different, and i think that the media

plays a very big role in this, because there is practically a high, well, so to speak, especially the cultural heritage in the media, well, as far as i can see, of course, i can't judge, but well, i am also tangential to the ukrainian space, it is practically absent, and this is the formation of a certain, see also how in russia they have these ballets on television all the time, they have some, i don't know, piano competitions on television all the time in our country. good luck or some max factor or some other voice of the country, well that is, on a completely different level, i think it is also very important for the media to know, well, i have to tell you that you, that you are talking about a certain russia, which is now also, which is now also gone, there is a russian tv channel kultura, but that’s all , what you see on mass russian television is no longer what we once saw in soviet and post-soviet times, putin's russia is a country, to put it mildly, far from high. culture for the masses, yes, but, but all these years cannot be wiped away with a gunk, all these years, if they

remain, and i am very pleased to hear that, well, how nice, this war in general, well, my god, it’s terrible, i think everyone will agree with me that it’s a choice between what she did well, and if it hadn’t happened, then for sure still choose not to be there, but if you look for something good that she did, it's exactly what you say, that... that there was such a great, very creativity and urge to, well, getting to know your own cultural heritage and also at a high level, but again, i will return to what we started with, what ukrainian artists, well they are struggling with russian, but if they don't wash theirs, and it was... my thought is that it ran away, i'm sorry, find it, i'll find it in a couple of minutes, as i speak, i'll find it, but

the thought is that i know, knowing my own, conveying my own, eh, we have, i'm sorry, you know, you can see that old age is coming, but no, i don't know how to formulate what what i wanted to formulate, but i think if you know yours. you start to be less interested in what role someone else's plays in the lives of others, that's what, i think, is the logic. i remembered what i wanted to say that our artists, instead of reporting, spending time and effort to report to the world that tchaikovsky is a ukrainian, for example, they can do the same thing and spend their time on telling the world that we have lyatushynsk. or lysenko and that this cultural heritage is unknown not because it has some

secondary artistic value, but because we had such a history that it was either stolen or destroyed, and also thanks to this, the idea of ​​​​our culture and - a very important idea is that instead of trying to take something from the russians, if we don't give it to them, it is ours, we should fight for something that has always been ukrainian and wanted to be ukrainian. unlike the fluent tchaikovsky, who simply wanted to be a russian composer, this is his sacred right, but there were many people who wanted to be ukrainian composers, lysenko refused to stage taras bulba, because he did not want to translate it. in what language was proposed by tchakovsky, who wanted this opera to be in st. petersburg, but he wanted to translate it, it it didn't work out there, i think that this is a good, good finale to our conversation, mr. natalya, i want to wish you great success in the promotion of ukrainian culture in sweden, nataliya pasichnyk, a swedish-ukrainian pianist, the director of the ukrainian institute in sweden, visited us dear, we will now transfer for a few minutes to

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almost all the last weeks we talk more about diplomacy, ukraine is trying to gather as many heads of state, foreign ministers as possible to the peace summit, which will be held in horatna, switzerland . russia is making its diplomatic moves, in fact, with the help of the people's republic of china, which has now become its main diplomatic partner, one might say. china offers its vision of the end of the russian-ukrainian war, which, of course, can be described as freezing in one single word. russia supports this project, although obvious. that the president of the russian federation is not prone to any interference, and of course putin sends signals to the leaders of the countries of the global south. you should not go to switzerland, in any case. the summit without the participation of russia makes no sense, because you will still not end the war and nothing depends on your decisions, and you will turn into a real mass, the main

task of which will be to confirm the legitimacy of ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyi, whose powers have ended, at least it is volodymyr putin tried to prove in minsk during his joint press conference with the belarusian leader oleksandr lukashenko, and all this also testifies to that simple fact. that the diplomatic challenge putin accepted, that russia and ukraine are now in a real diplomatic duel for the participation, primarily of the countries of the global south, in one or another event initiated by the other party. in the peace summit that will be held in switzerland, or in the meeting of foreign ministers of the brics member countries, which is to be held in moscow, on the very days when the summit will take place peace, so that in fact his decisions are considered more important by many. even more constructive than the decisions that will be made in switzerland. however , a rather simple question arises: can diplomacy now protect our compatriots,

you and me, from russian strikes? can diplomacy, even if all the countries of the global south come and agree with the points of the formula of president volodymyr zelensky, protect the residents of kharkiv from planned russian strikes, the goal of which is to wipe out kharkiv. with the face of this land and turn it into a mere heap of ruins, the kind of heap that we had previously seen only on footage of the second world war. vladimir putin is sure that it is necessary to repeat the second world war on the territory of ukraine, which he hates, in order to cleanse this territory of its unnecessary disloyal population. it seems to me that the main diplomatic victory is not the number of countries that will agree to the formula, which is technically impossible to implement for the same reason that the president of the russian... federation spits on the international community directly from the bell tower of st. basil's cathedral in moscow, because he himself is blessed. the main thing is to be

able to really protect ukrainian citizens from the planned destruction of ukraine, which is the main task in vladimir putin's calendar for the next term of his presidency. and it is obvious that vladimir putin will carry out this task with the support and support of the political and military leadership of the russian federation. or due to the indifference of the vast majority of russian citizens, who are sure that their state can only take place within the borders of the former of the soviet union, or believe that their authorities can better see how to return the territories that the russians considered, consider and will consider their own for the next decade. and here the question arises, maybe the allies, instead of sending delegations to the peace summit, or persuading the leaders of the countries of the global south to go there, would allow us to strike with their weapons at the military arsenals of the russian federation? but everything is very simple: if we do not destroy the military arsenals of the russian federation on

the sovereign territory of russia, no matter what we do on our territory, will not allow us to end the war with russia. russia will restore and strengthen its military-industrial complex, and even with the help of the people's republic of china, russia will pay insane amounts of money with the help of petrodollars. to those who want to fight, even more so, we are talking about a socially marginalized population, which sometimes has no other way out than to go to war with ukraine, or earn money, or provide for the family, in russia this is a real opportunity to earn money, and also a holy matter from the neighbors' point of view. russia will be to do everything possible so that a mention of them remains on the site of ukrainian cities. in order to stop this, it is necessary to approach the philosophy of war itself in a completely different way. when western politicians are convinced that it is not possible to strike at the russian military arsenal, because it can be perceived by the russian

federation as a signal before the start of the third world war with the death of millions of people in the spaces of europe and north america, then the question arises, what has russia not used so far such a deadly weapon against western countries, why is it absolutely calm coldly. blood does not cross any red lines and conducts war precisely on ukrainian territory, maybe russia is also satisfied that the entire territory of ukraine, from uzhhorod to yalta, it does not matter whether it was tamed or not, it is for russia and its allies a great training ground and for testing own weapons, and to understand what red lines the west can cross, and to create a picture of the world for the future. thing, to realize where is the limit of western endurance that can and cannot be crossed, itself

the idea: that the war should take place exclusively on the territory of ukraine, and the citizens of the russian federation should enjoy peace and tranquility, promises to make this war endless, and at least allows us to look at the 20-30 years of this century as the years of war. but if russia is losing its military potential, if it is not under the attack of drones, which can damage, but not destroy, but real missiles. unfortunately, we don’t have any of our own, and this is also a question for you and me, what is there, what did you do in general, what did you do, well well, this is already the case when russian military airfields are destroyed under missile strikes, airplanes burn, oil refineries burn, never to be revived again, thermal power plants disappear, like ours, military factories that produce

tanks and airplanes disappear. and these workshops will never be built again in the coming years, oil products are disappearing, and thus russia has to sell crude oil. the port of novorossiysk with its trade opportunities is becoming a thing of the past, and russia simply stops receiving profits from its energy sources. then even such a fanatical person as putin can think about it. that the war needs to be ended, so why should he end it, what is it that worries him now, apart from the competition with the ukrainian president, who will invite how many ministers of foreign affairs, countries that have no real influence on anything at the moment, this is for him it is interesting to engage in a language that he understands, but in fact... he

speaks to us in another language, the language of total destruction, the language of direct hits into the residential quarters of kharkiv and other ukrainian cities, the language of deliberate destruction of the civilian population, so that the rest, the part that will survive, understand that they need to pack their bags and leave these territories that the russians chose for themselves, and it did not start today and not yesterday, it started again... a year ago, from crimea, from donbas, from the expulsion and beating and murder of ukrainian activists, it moved to buchi and bordianka, then we saw the graves in izyum, now we see kharkiv, and we will see a lot more that we cannot imagine even now, if we cannot get the right to destroy

the potential of armed forces forces russian federation, as a terrorist organization that attacked another country, what are they even doing in terms of law on our land? and this is what we must now fight for, what we must talk about, and what we must see as the way to end this unjust war. thank you, friends, for being with us on this broadcast, i wish you a peaceful evening, stay with the espresso. vitaly portnikov was with you in this program, i want to wish you victory and peace in the future. good luck. this is about politics about the world. we are talking to the head of the committee of international affairs of the polish sejm and pavel

koval, chairman of the council for cooperation with ukraine. congratulations. of the central bank of russia in favor of ukraine. currently, it is about 2.5-3 billion euros. how important is this news, considering that the funds will be directed to the defense of ukraine. this is key news because it opens the way so that, firstly, russia cannot use these funds, and secondly, that this money is used not only for reconstruction, as some have tried to present it, but also for defense . my position is these funds should be used now during the defense of ukraine, because now they are extremely necessary, and then, as a supplement, they should be directed to recovery. but here we are talking not only about the funds that come from interest, these are

profits, but also about the basic funds that... the russian bank keeps abroad, this is where the decision lies.