crimea, when we see that there are heated battles? well, i have not familiarized myself with the economic recovery program of crimea after the occupation, but i agree with the opinion that it is necessary in advance, without waiting for the moment of the deoccupation of crimea, to think about the future development of the peninsula primarily on the basis of sustainable development, because it is necessary to reconsider one's attitude towards crimea . to make the mistakes that ukraine as a state made before the 14th year, to take more care that crimea is not only a resort and not only a sea resort, but to think more about those areas of activity that will contribute to the development of the local economy throughout the year, and of course, mr. yevhen, i wanted to...

just read how crimea is planned to be developed after de-occupation, the economic development model of crimea after liberation from the russian invaders will be based on the formation of a new year-round tourist center from the peninsula, you see, after all , they left the resort, but in addition there will be an ithub, the development of renewable energy and the development of infrastructure, these are the main, main such narratives of the development plan of crimea after. occupation, i.e. tourism, it, energy, green and infrastructure, yes, i.e. we see that the approach is more modern, which, well, in my opinion, can give crimea the opportunity to feel more competitive, capable, well , if we talk about tourism , then they are talking about year-round, yes, that is...

all-season tourism, we remember that in the past crimea was mostly visited by tourists in the summer and there were almost no tourists in the winter, and now the approach is that the crimea should be touristic all year round, but for that it must first be de-occupied, as you think, i heard such an opinion that after the deoccupation it will not be possible to leave the crimea without protection and that it will still be left. militarized and the armed forces of ukraine will simply stand there, of course, and the naval forces of ukraine in large numbers, will this not hinder tourism, will this contradiction between the tourist development of crimea and the development of crimea as a base for the naval forces of ukraine arise again? well, i think that the development of tourism there in the crimea is such a more distant prospect. tive, because, first of all

, acute security problems have not been solved in ukraine, it is not reflected russian aggression, and almost 20% of the territory of ukraine is still under russian occupation, and we understand that even after restoring the territorial integrity of ukraine within internationally recognized borders, there will still be unresolved security issues. first of all, this is demining, including various nature conservation areas where the rashists conduct training, which are used as platforms for launching rockets or shaheds on the mainland of ukraine, this is the question of how to counter local collaborators and traitors, the question... as a wide range of questions,

which also arise from transitional justice, i.e. who should be left in the relevant position, who should be dismissed, who should be sent for retraining, for example, there are discussions about local teachers, which teachers, for example, a geography teacher, whether she should be fired, whether she should be kept and so on, because with regard to, for example, teachers... of history, here the question seems more unambiguous, that if history was used as a propaganda subject, then it is clear that such teachers are subject to lustration, and there are many, many such questions, but the question is whether should there be a lustration or should there not be a lustration , there will be no lustration, of course there will be a lustration, it was confirmed by the leader of the crimean and mustafa dzhemilov that after the deoccupation of the crimea it will be necessary to carry out a lustration, those who came from... will have to leave the crimean

peninsula, and the people who remain , will undergo an inspection, there will be some transition period, how long it can last, mr. yevgeny, and this is my last question. how long can this period of verification, of those who remain, lustration and such a transition after the war last, a year, two, five, 10, well, i think that at least, er, many months, and maybe several years, well, as the practice of other countries that experienced armed conflicts, or... occupation shows, it can be there , there have been cases where two and three years. thank you, mr. yevgeny, yevhen yaroshenko, an analyst of the public organization crimea sos, a public organization that arose immediately after the occupation of crimea by the russian federation,

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the saturday politclub, andriy smolii and vitaly portnikov, are on the air. and today, as usual, we will discuss all the most important events of this week, of course, of ukraine and the world. today is a bit of a difficult evening for us, because we saw what is happening now in kharkiv, so we will also talk about the situation that is happening now in kharkiv, which is happening in kharkiv region in general, and i hope that we already have our first guest. pavlo lekeychuk, manager of security programs of the center for global studies strategy 21. congratulations, mr. pavle. good evening, glory to ukraine. so, these are the actions of the russians in the kharkiv region, in kharkiv, what do you think they testify to? well, actually, this has already

been discussed, discussed, and the majority, i agree with the opinion, the majority, of my colleagues, military experts, that the main purpose of the russian ... offensive is a tactical offensive, it must be understood, it is not a strategic operation , at least that's what he started with, it was necessary to distract her with smaller forces. more our reserves from the direction of the main in order to gain an operational advantage there, they themselves concentrated their forces in the narrow cordo area, withdrawing from other areas, including from the south, our forces were to be stretched to the maximum possible extent, and preferably from new areas of the front , that's why... the leningrad district was formed, which operates in the north, but not everything, not everything went

according to plan with the russians. in fact, because instead of pulling away our important reserves in the east with smaller forces, they are due to failure, here we must also speak directly to our operations, in the first place, are forced to transfer reserves from these areas themselves. where they wanted to succeed from the kupyan direction, from the pokrovsky direction, so it seems that due to the stubbornness of the positions of both sides, we have a new, new area of ​​fighting, where, including the one that so far has such a psychological factor that is much more influential, well, it is precisely because of this that it is one of the key ones. moments of the russian offensive in the kharkiv region, there is a task of missile and bomb attacks

on kharkiv on the surrounding cities, but this does not remove the possibility that they can use their forces in other areas to attack kharkiv, they cannot take kharkiv, they don’t have enough there at the current moment, they don’t have enough forces there, but try to cover it... it is quite possible, and not even the encirclement of kharkiv, the very attempt to do this will inevitably lead to panic in kharkiv, then panic in poltava, then panic in kyiv, and this, well, this is one of the goals of this, how to say correctly, informational component of the war. mr. pavle, it's just a few hours before our program. another terrorist attack on kharkiv, the epicenter, yes, another tragedy with dead people, with

dozens of victims, how in general should we see this whole situation, or should we expect kharkiv to receive daily constant blows, and what should the population do in such a case, and in general, this is such a pressure on the townspeople to leave from the city, well, obviously. and what can i advise the residents of kharkiv or odesa, for example, it is not the first time i tell my friends in kharkiv and odesa that your cities, unfortunately, are geographically located in such a way that the enemy will hunt you down, some say, well here you have concentrated all around kyiv into air defense forces, no, it's not because we concentrated the air defense forces around kyiv, because the flight time to odesa. to kharkiv is shorter than the reaction time from our air defense means. even if we put

three or four patriots around kharkiv, like at the vilnius summit, eight batteries, they will still break through. and, unfortunately, this is what the russian strategy is all about. and, well, it's better to get out of these. bridge, this is what i said, i say to my acquaintances, friends who live there, but one more moment, which, the russians literally yesterday, the day before yesterday, inflicted a series of blows on railways, along the depot, along the kharkiv depot, along lubotyn, this is also, such, such, not only a way to disrupt logistics, but... and such a way, such a message to the people of kharkiv to be afraid, to be afraid to move, to be afraid to make

decisions, to accept by our fate, well , this cannot be allowed, but tell me, what do you think, after all, what will happen to our capabilities to strike at the russian infrastructure, as far as we can, by the way, in principle, strike at this russian military infrastructure, from which they destroy kharkiv, as far as you... the situation will develop in in this direction, if it is possible in principle? it is clear that you mean western means of damage, long-range damage. yes, yes, you are all finishing the artillery, because no one can stop us from hitting the enemy's territory, behind the enemy's rear with our own forces, not even our partners and allies, who sometimes say, there are such remarks about

the fact that by one or another strikes by the armed forces against enemy rears or raids by the armed forces against enemy rears. or our, let's say, units of partners, yes, which support the defense forces, but not necessary to do this, we are defending ourselves, and actually the fact that after the attack on kharkov they talked about it out loud in the west is already a plus, you know, how macron raised the issue of the possibility of... placing french troops in ukraine, many analysts, many of its political scientists say that the main thing, in fact, macron's words do not mean that the french tomorrow there will be a french-estonian legion fighting in the direction of sumy or kharkiv, no,

the merit here is that he raised the issue, before , before keep silent about... the participation of the troops nato in the defense of ukraine was forbidden so unofficially, he broke this ban and actually what some say no, we will not participate in this, others say yes, under certain conditions or unconditionally, we will participate if necessary in protect ukraine, that 's it. if there was talk at the event about the need to transfer permission to ukraine to carry out strikes against russian rears on its territory, this is also dragging the overton window, i am not sure that

this issue will be resolved in the near future. benefit, but sooner or later to politicians in europe, politicians in america will have to make this decision. since the 22nd year, we have been asking our sky partners to close, with arguments, but so far there has been no such decision, here is an example of how long it can take. the armed forces of ukraine destroyed another one. the actual russian ship, cyclone, is called, the carrier, by the way, calibers, one of the last ones that was in or near the territory of the black sea fleet, mr. pavle, how will this generally affect or not affect the possible shelling of our country with calibers by the russians, and this another, is this another

demonstration of the fact that the russians already... no dominate, at least near the crimean peninsula, at least in the area of ​​the black sea fleet, well, it is already known, well, you can even google it to look at the map, that the forces of the black sea fleet are now concentrated, the most combat-ready, concentrated in novorossiysk, which is jammed with civilian ships, even there in the black sea geopart the fleet hangs out in sevastopol. there are very few ships left, and the fact that the damage was caused by a cyclone is another step in this direction, well, of course, well, one will not exactly reach novorossiysk, but by the way our spokesmen of the navy, somewhat rushed from without to intelligence and reported that

kovrovits, a gunner of the 68th ovra brigade, who was standing there, was destroyed, and this information was expanded quite like this, no, kovrovits was not sunk, but because the day after this information and the attack on the sevastopol bay, all the ships of the 68th brigade of the protection of the water area, which were left in sevastopol, there is one mpk and two minesweepers, at the same time, the kovrovites took a friendly course for novorossiysk, well, here is the direct result for you. such blows as far as capacity is concerned russians to launch missile strikes on ukraine, including from the sea with calibers, unfortunately... we have already discussed with journalists, this is one of those tasks that out of five tasks, one and a half russians are still able to perform, one of them, unfortunately ,

these are missile strikes with calibers, so the cyclone was the last, well, the last one is not one missile carrier of calibers in sevastopol, all the others are ready for battle, moved to novorossiysk, but... what does it mean that they are moved there, they are considered two frigates, four submarines, well, these little things belly up with almost eight more units, yes, the total loss is very large, nevertheless, well , rostov-on-danu, everything in the shipyard in the dock was destroyed, the askold in kerch was destroyed in the factory, now the cyclone in the factory is destroyed, well... here there are minus 6 missiles in the wasteland, here there are minus missiles in the wasteland , in kirch minus missiles in the wasteland, of course, we cannot destroy all their

missile carriers at the same time, but step by step, step by step, this is necessary, we must strive for this and go straight for it, it cannot be said that this bet by putin on the black sea fleet, for the sake of which he even started the events of the 14th year, when he decided to turn crimea into such a bridgehead for aggression, it actually turned out to be... so successful, well, really, and here putin is, he’s a facebook guy, he’s not a military man, he, here he listened to his generals and admirals, but generals and admirals thought by soviet standards, not just by soviet standards, but by soviet myths about the role of the black sea fleet, about the role of sevastopol in the black sea, and what happened later... after the 22nd year demonstrated that not the 18th century and even not 19 in the yard of the 21st century

there is no longer a sailing fleet, there are strong advantages in the corner of the winds, and the one who owns sevastopol is not the master of the black sea, the master of the black sea is turkey, in fact, which holds... that er-e castle of the black sea straits. also stalin, my colleagues recently reminded me of stalin's statement during the military midnight opening of the kola flotilla there, who said that the black sea is a lakhanka, and the baltic sea is a beach. and the cork from this bottle is not in their hands at all, in the hands of the soviet union. that's the one owns a cork, he actually controls the black sea. thank you, thank you, mr. pavle, pavlo lekiychuk, head of security

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in a strange form, which. got used to in minsk during his visit, which is now being distributed by western news agencies, with references to some authoritative sources in the circle of putin himself, what does it all mean? well, look, in my opinion, in principle, this means only one thing: it is necessary to disrupt the summit in switzerland, well, at least, if not to disrupt it, then to belittle its importance, to launch some kind of thesis, to make some kind of discussion, while we are talking there, huh. .. the desire, that is, to conduct negotiations, specific, here putin proposes it, that is, that is, in my opinion, this particular attempt to influence the peace summit planned for july in geneva. so, uh, i think that, uh, uh, there will be additional attempts to somehow, well, so to speak, to influence the summit, if not disrupt

it, and this is one of those, of those opportunities for their view, in the view of the russian federation. there was also information that the president of the united states of america, joe biden, will not come to the global peace summit. in your opinion, mr. volodymyr, this is a bad signal, or does it have nothing to do with the support of the united states of america, and perhaps there will be some other high representative from ours. the main ally, well, the first, to be honest, i may have missed it, but i did not see a specific message that he would definitely not come, there was such an announcement that he might not make it, might not make it, that is, might not be to those present at the summit, because he has important events there in connection with the elections that will be held in the fall of this... year, of course,

if he doesn't come, it's a bad signal, a bad signal, but on the other hand, you don't have to a little bit, you know, to exaggerate and say that everything is lost if biden is not there, concrete help from the united states in the process of the war that we are waging is important for us, and of course we would like that, i understand that president biden all - still had a good position in the elections, er... presidential elections in november of this year, namely the event that he plans to make it to in time, that is, with the participation of important hollywood stars, various other characters of american show business, who can actually stimulate the public to vote for biden, that is, not everything is so bad, of course the united states...

will be represented, i don't know at what level, we'll see, but of course, the level will depend on how many delegations we manage, so to speak countries to participate in this summit in lucerne, and you do not have the impression at all that the american administration itself does not have a clear understanding of how to act in russia's war against ukraine, because now we know that secretary of state blinkin talked about the possibility of , so that western weapons, the american one was also used for strikes on the so-called sovereign territory of the russian federation, gave such a cautious, i would say, comment when he was in kyiv on this topic, defense secretary austin is just opposing it, the american media says that blinkin is trying to convince joseph biden, has a new moment come?