in your opinion, this is the first time in, i would say, in recent years that the president of ukraine met with journalists from the countries of central asia, kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan and uzbekistan. to what extent does this really affect the point, the public position, the point of view of these residents of these countries, is it possible to change, let's say, the position of the authorities of the central asian countries, by addressing. to the media, to the citizens of these countries, should i laugh right away or start answering the essence of the question, well, start answering, you can laugh, well, from my point of view, it's in vain wasted time, because the situation in most of these countries in terms of the influence of society on the authorities is minimal, moreover, the role of these dictatorships is growing. even in

a country like kazakhstan, despite the fact that the president himself is a person who was brought up, let's say so, in some democratic framework, but what is important here is that these countries are now being worked on quite a lot by the british government, and there are certain advances with the point of view of the movement of these countries is, especially. in the part regarding the performance of the role of this eye of the needle through which the führer moscow is dragging a camel there in the form of dual technologies, let's say, components for weapons and so on, in this plan we need to work, if we talk about this interview that was given to the horde and journalists who were present there. it is certainly important

for the part that is interested in, say, the sphere of politics, that wants to know about it, but unfortunately, this part of society in these countries, states, it is very, very small, because, therefore, to talk about a serious influence such informational factors, and in general from my point of view similar things. needs to be done, a dialogue needs to be conducted, and in this regard, i would advise to make more use of the diplomatic missions of ukraine, which should constantly be, let's say, a channel that would inform the societies of these states, but unfortunately, if we take practice, then in including the first persons of diplomatic missions, they very rarely appear in these countries in... appear in zmi,

appear among, say, modern electronic mass media, and moreover, i can tell you that when i listened to the president in this interview, i kept thinking whether he was considering the fact that some of the information, some of the theses he is saying are unlikely to be understood in principle by those for whom this interview is intended, that is... the matter is because these societies live by their tradition, their habits, their concepts, their content, and speaking, let's say, the anxieties of a ukrainian, they cannot be pierced, well, life turned out so that i had to be in these countries even at the beginning of adulthood, i am very i understand kazakh well, i have seen him for a long time and i am roughly aware of some... part of myself

he can give his life, well, in order to devote himself to international problems, you will object to me, you will say, well, it hardly applies to the general public, and it applies only to specialists, but the fact is that if in ukraine a politician, the president, he forced into force, ah, let's say this, a scheme that has somehow developed to respond to the mood of society, then in those countries that we are talking about... these things are very rare, if they happen there periodically once or twice in several years, or even decades, well, this is not the case when they will somehow reflect. well, that's it see, the president of kazakhstan, kassym jomar takayev, recently visited yerevan and met with prime minister nikol pashinyan. we understand that this is an act, the truth, which is dictated by the understanding of this new situation, which is currently developing in the post-soviet space. and before that , the same takaev from and there was a china-central

asia summit, where, as we understand, russia was not invited, that is, they are also making moves there now that would have seemed unheard of in... the recent past, you know, if, relatively speaking, nursultan nazarbayev knew , that some post-soviet politician is out of favor with yeltsin or putin, he would never fly there in his life, you know, the other day i watched the materials of the meeting of the president of kyrgyzstan with representatives of the security agencies of the cis countries, read his speeches, then inquired about the speeches of these gray-haired grandfathers. about what they said there, and all this smelled so much of the mold of a scoop that from my point of view yes, yes, if you take, well, in particular the president of kazakhstan, he is capable of a certain step, i did not accidentally

name him as one of those who capable of similar things, but one must understand the dependence of kazakhstan and all these countries on russia. if i, for example, touch on the issue of hydrocarbons there and the entire sphere, let's say, which is connected with oil and gas, then neither such, nor its environment, nor the entire sector, nor the government, they cannot take a step in order not to to ask moscow how they should act, for today pashinyan is put in conditions where he has nowhere to go, he has only one leader. the world remained, this is paris, and the way they treated him from moscow, they do not treat even enemies in the situation that he found himself, therefore, understanding, let's say, the role of all the participants in this process, these actors

of international relations, we can say that central asia and the caucasus are today such a piece that is played out in the interests of big players, political and continental, what can be done from this go out? well, as we can see, today, georgia has been taken over by russia. armenia is currently trading, what will be the final? this is still a big question. azerbaijan has already made up its mind, it has a blind guide, this is turkey, and it is also necessary to understand here that in azerbaijan is a big question mark, because erdogan is unlikely. to lead azerbaijan down some at least not obscured, non-dead-end road, well, as for the five central asian states, they would have to solve their problems, which smack of feudal-level problems, not modern ones,

so you have such and such, let's say, overdrinking, with which we have to get along somehow, and even in the central asian states... those who gave hope, well, in particular, as the president of kyrgyzstan, they turned into ordinary peasants, the regimes that they mastered in these states but on the other hand, you see, they are solving the issue that the ukrainian elite has been dreaming of solving for years, they have established special relations with china as a guarantor of their sovereignty. as for china, yes, temporarily they have decided something, but, conditionally speaking, let's ask... whether the president of kazakhstan or the president of uzbekistan knows that uzbeks, kazakhs, tajiks are in concentration camps together with uighurs , i am not talking about the situation that the tajiks and uzbeks have there with

afghanistan and so on, but they in general are aware of the problem when they go to the fact that they are flirting with the sydneypin and at the same time... those who are in concentration camps in china, hundreds of thousands of the same kazakhs, uzbeks and so on, what is the price of all this, and as their own citizens will look at them, as you understand, regarding all the projects that were talked about before, and there is one belt, one road, then they already have a seam, so at the moment china has really invested in these'. the state somewhere around 300 billion funds, but these roads, these communications, they did not lead anywhere the situation, they simply stalled, as a result of the fact that russia's aggression against ukraine began, a deadlock occurred, now

these countries are in debt, with a gold and currency reserve seized by china, because these resources were allocated only under the fact that all were transferred to chinabank.. . in fact, the capitals that were kept in the national banks of these states, and how should they be in this situation, there are huge problems, is there a way to solve them? yes, this to bet on the civilized world, but does he accept this challenge and this pass civilized world? well, let's look at the results of the visit of lord david cameron, the british foreign minister to this region, so far it has been completely fruitless, except that the situation has been scanned, they have agreed to negotiate and nothing else, however, iran and the threat from the south. and the militants from and the taliban from afghanistan, it is growing, i am not talking about

all that is connected with the so-called state of kharosan, which hangs over these states and simply uses them in its terrorist actions. please tell me, but when the president addresses in his address to world leaders, just together with me the president of the united states and the president of the people's republic of china, in fact... as equal world leaders and calls on them to come to switzerland, is that the right approach? well, from my point of view, i would not advise doing that, and through whom to put the president of the united states of america with the president of brazil there and others, it cannot be done , but, as you understand, i am far, far from like you, to listen to me surrounded by the president, so what? how to tell him it seems to me that this is not the case, i am convinced that it is impossible to do so.

it seems to me that this is now such a picture of the world, in which the united states and china are on equal terms and have equal opportunities to influence moscow, china may even have more opportunities, that is, in our minds, many representatives of the ukrainian political elite, including these people , who are in power, you said absolutely correctly here, just not in my head, not in yours, yes, but in many people's, so be it. they are this picture of bipolar education, i don't really understand what to do about it, they believe it, you see, well, if they believe it, then who can blame them, we will not change them, they continue to believe in this world that they have built in their heads, well it will end, at least badly for them personally, because going down this road, it is impossible to solve the problem, because the effect is actually the opposite. character, and when they tell me that beijing influences the führer of moscow, i

simply do not understand, well, it is obvious that history was not taught, the textbooks at school were smoked, he institutes, history lectures were skipped, and maybe there were teachers who didn't convey what needed to be conveyed, well, that's it again, it's not our problem, tell me, in principle, if we're talking about these diplomatic efforts that both kyiv and moscow are making now. kyiv, regarding the peace summit in switzerland, moscow, regarding the meeting of brics ministers in moscow. there will be two polar documents that will propose an end to the war, where will it all end? well, brics is a thing for today, it was planned a year ago, since the sco summit will take place in parallel with it through several weeks, that is, these are things of moscow's geopolitical game, again moscow's, not china's. this was discussed during the last meeting between putin and xi jinping. to what extent will these be expressly

excluded things? in words, yes, but if we talk about documents that can be accepted, then in principle, what can these documents mean for both parties? let's ask the question like this, and at least if we talk about the civilized world, then it will understand that brics, shos. and so on, they move along the road in which the axis of evil crystallizes, and it is obvious there, it is clear that india is an extra member of this circle, but due to the problems that exist in india, they will be there for some time, but it was already seen during the previous summit that without introducing a single currency for settlements , they have stopped in their development, which... as for the summit in switzerland,

no matter what beautiful, meaningful, even ultimate documents are accepted there, neither the führer of moscow, nor the dictator of red china, nor the ayatollahs of iran, they will accept , as you understand, this is to be fulfilled, moreover, i expect that they will laugh at certain provisions about the participants of this form, about the number of these participants, and so on. i would recommend, especially to the ukrainian side, that they find people and participants and representatives from certain states at this forum, who would... well, demonstrate the real position that the world should now take in relation to both the führer and the entire axis of evil, and the essence of this position should be reflected in the unification of forces, the formation of a joint command, in the formation of a defense-industrial complex, joint on according to the principle of division of labor and certain

functions, and planning and strategy and tactics regarding... defeating the führer, because in fact, if you look, including at the axis of evil, the hopes of iran and china, then they are completely following the fairway that is dictated moscow thank you, mr. roman. the novel is immortal, we were in touch with a ukrainian politician and diplomat. and now let's talk about what is happening in germany, in europe, with serhii sumleny, a german political scientist, director of the european sustainability initiative center, mr. serhiy, glad to see you. good evening, thank you for inviting me. well, let's try to understand what are the ideas of the german political elite now, in principle, about what is happening in the russian-ukrainian war. today there was a recent publication by spiegel that estonian mps warned their german colleagues that if the aid to ukraine is not enough, and russia

makes a strategic breakthrough and the very existence of the ukrainian state is called into question, then poland and the baltic countries will introduce their troops into the territory. to prevent it to completely disappear from the political map of the world, i understand that this is exactly what the federal chancellor fears, that this war will become a nato war and turn into a third world war with all the consequences, but maybe then he should be more active? well, to put it briefly, the idea of ​​the german political elites regarding what is happening in the russian-ukrainian war is very perishable, and in fact they are absolutely either unwilling or unable. reading neither the level of challenges nor the level of germany's responsibility, we see that germany has fully and finally moved into the format of preparation for the elections first to the european parliament, which will be held on june 9, and then the elections to the bundestag, which will be held in september next year, and in this

pre-election discussion, in principle, there is no place for ukraine at all. except, that is, attempts to instrumentalize ukraine, and in a way that is one of the most inconvenient for ukraine, namely, to push ukraine to any so-called peace with russia, and here is the problem, we see that chancellor scholz at every meeting, he repeats that he has meetings with voters and women voters attention, emphasizes that... it means that it is impossible to give ukraine, neither long-range weapons, nor allow ukraine to strike on the sovereign territory of russia, his supporters in the ruling circles of the spd, the social democratic party insist that this is the only responsible way through the path of an adult political elite to peace and stability, everything else

will suddenly lead to a nuclear apocalypse, and even there, well, some absolutely shameful things. they have, so to speak, the general secretary of the spd, kevin künart, that is, in fact, the head of the party, yesterday he was on the air of one of the largest talk shows in germany, maischbeg, and he was asked by the host that she is actually very pro-russian in her, according to her, that is, in the format of her talk show, she asked him, in what is the general line with the dpn, that is, to freeze the conflict, or to help president putin, and kunart unexpectedly immediately answered her, yes, both, because there is no contradiction between these two goals, that is, even if it was his, let's say so , error, he is there, i don't know if he was disturbed or not

something was tired, it basically corresponds to what the social democratic party is doing, it is factual. helping putin means finding a way out of defeat, and the other political parties in the government coalition, that is, the greens and liberals, they are not ready to put scholz under enough pressure to win; in fact, everyone is now waiting for the first elections, for that , to see what the result will be and to instrumentalize it further in the next elections, and until this happens, ukrainian dependence on western weapons from the german side does not receive help, well if there is any common will of the allies, how will germany... act in this situation, who will have the last word in europe? well, look, first of all, if we take the formal aspect, the commander-in-chief

of the german army in peacetime is the minister of defense, that is, the chancellor has no relation to the bundeswehr at all, the mandate for the use of the bundeswehr outside the borders of germany is given by the bundestag, not the federal chancellor, and the commander-in-chief is the minister of defense pistorius, who is quite a hawk, of course. is such a social democratic hawk, that is, you know, we thank god for what we have, he is such a social-democratic hawk in our country, ah, so scholz is useless here , but in fact, in fact, that is, despite the fact that in germany, formal things have their influence, in fact scholz usurped power, in these cases, and using, therefore, the text of... the basic law, the constitution, which says that the chancellor provides the general framework for the government's policy, but he interprets it in such a way that he must control everything

related to important moments, the war in ukraine and russia is an important point, so if he manages everything there, that is, in fact, of course , the bundeswehr, neither at the material and technical level, nor even more so at the personnel level, in this war, if scholze's consent is needed, it is needed. won't participate, but what you mentioned about whether poland and the baltic countries can put pressure on him, that's a really good point, because we know that the only thing that works in scholz is unlimited, massive pressure, it worked and with leopards, it worked with artillery, but now it doesn't work, because the pressure is not enough, because the parties refused to put pressure on the government, so if now, let's say, poland, latvia, estonia send at least a battalion of their armed forces to ukraine, then scholz will be forced to act already, and germany will choose in his

person, will choose the path that germany under scholz has chosen for many years, that is, not to be a leading country, but to move in the general fairway one or two steps beyond the leaders. tell me what happened to the alternative for germany, that... even marine le pen decided to get rid of it, you know, it's like the old joke that someone survived there, that is, from the gestapo for brutality, but the same thing happened here, but marie le pen, she, marine le pen, she basically showed her skepticism about the alternative for germany for quite some time, despite all lipen's connections with moscow, despite her credit from. the russian bank and so on, because the alternative for germany is on, let's say, french on a french scale, it is too, too

right-wing and neo-nazi, even in certain circles, that is, there are leaders who can be officially called neo-nazis for court decision, there are people who, let's say, directly said in the adn internal chats that they want a civil war in germany. they want to see piles of corpses on the streets there, they want to do their own thing on these corpses, that means physiological needs and so on and so forth, and the adn constantly gets into scandals, and the latest scandals, these scandals of a spy nature, that means receiving money allegedly from the russian embassy and espionage by an employee of the adn faction on china. again , le pen also had her connections with moscow, but such a density of scandals, she obviously has its consequences, but it

is not a problem for the adn, that is, it is not a problem for the adn, the adn is now the second most popular party in germany, the first is the christian democratic union, the second is the adn, in certain regions of germany it is the first in popularity party, that is, we are talking primarily about the eastern regions, thuringia, saxony. saxony anhalt and the problem is that we have in september, on september 1, elections in several regions of germany, germany is a federal country, that is, the regions elect their own parliaments, the parliaments put prime minister or prime minister, and these regions, they have a substantial influence on the state policy of germany, including foreign policy, although according to the constitution they do not have such competence, but because of such a balance and equilibrium. interests, they actually have this influence, and here we have a good risk that in thuringia we will have a prime minister, or the head of the shadow government

and... a person who controls 40% of, say, the parliament there, a person whom the court allowed to be called a neo-nazi, and who openly uses, let's say, national slogans, of the real nazi times of hitler, so the organizations, and who made it his political credo, that is, it is not something that he is inclined to there, and here, but it is not his focus, no, it is his. he is doing it deliberately, and this is a problem, because if the adn does not even form governments in thuringia or in saxony , angel or somewhere, it can easily block the political process there, and most importantly, if you have 38% or 35% of the voters, they vote in the elections for adn, adn turns into the largest party in the region, but is forced to go into opposition because absolutely everyone, from communists to christian democrats, means

they don't want conservatives. bring them to power, then i want the voters to see themselves deceived, they see that their political will is not fulfilled, and this will radicalize them even more. and you are not at all frightened by this meeting of the leaders of the right-wing party, which took place in the ultra-right parties, let's be precise, which took place in madrid during a special event of the vox ultra-right spanish party, where all or. with their own participation or in video mode, but there were representatives of those of the far-right forces, which as a rule absolutely cannot find a common language among themselves, at one and the same meeting of marine le pen and george melena, there is no danger of such a union of the far-right, fock calls it an international, and the question arises, what will happen to support of ukraine, because i read in the madrid publication el pais that the former polish prime minister matioz morawiecki, who

represented the party of the right. and justice in this meeting, in fact no one was interested in his slogans of support for ukraine, despite the fact that there are pro-moscow people there, not pro-moscow, i’m just not very interested in it, no, i’m not very interested in it, well, that is, how, well , of course, it causes a certain concern, but to me, i would be afraid of completely different things, you’re treating me that we have chancellor scholz it will be another year and a half, at least, things like this scare me, it scares me that president biden has a person who actually defines american policy in the direction of the russian-ukrainian war, like jake salevan, things like this scare me, it scares me , that there china can start an operation against taiwan, and the situation will go completely out of control control, because all the right-wing radicals at this meeting, well, it is obvious that there are a bunch

of pro-russian... characters, but there is nothing new in this, eh, such moments with the pocket, that is, the right and the left, the ussr still had for years and decades, that is we have seen this since the 1960s and 70s, and the support of all these circles there, that is, from there, from the palestinian liberation army to the irish army, and the same in germany, that is, if the problem that has its influence only if we do not have an answer to the main challenge, and the main challenge is this aggressive policy of moscow, but conditionally speaking, if in may of the 22nd year ukraine would be handed over all the weapons that ukraine would need and russia would receive a decisive defeat sometime before october.

and not a half defeat there in kharkiv, in chernihiv, partially, then in november in kherson, then the situation would be completely different, and russia would not have the strength, that is, all these agents and supporters to mobilize and mobilize their support in iran , in china, in north korea and so on, and you will rebuild a new war economy and then start this saboteur operation. he says in the countries, that is, to blow up warehouses there, there in us, well , look, if in germany there are regular acts of sabotage, which obviously can be connected at least to moscow, well, last week, explosives and detonators were accidentally found near oil pipeline, which means near heidelberg, there is a huge nato base, there was something there, some explosives with detonators were there, which means.