and on the threshold of your homes stands my beautiful and intelligent colleague roman chaika. glory to ukraine, romko. i will be glad to see you on the air, for today i say goodbye. good evening, we are from ukraine. perhaps serhiy is handing out autographs. it is possible to occupy the new book and today i will be your sergey rodenko, i am roman chaika, and i am very pleased to be with you in the evening, we will try to summarize the sufficiently christened from the point of view of geopolitics, the statements of the day, and we will certainly start , of course, with the security, military and international component, if our guest, who is a retired lieutenant general, will help me in this. we are waiting for

the former deputy chief of the general staff and founder of the charity fund we will close the sky of ukraine ihor romanenko to contact us. from second to second we will have the only connection. we would like to remind you that you just watched espresso, a great article by our colleagues, about what ukrainians can and cannot use during their defense in the russian-ukrainian war, according to the new realities. absolutely interesting is the thesis that any western weapon that has already fallen into the hands of the defenders of ukraine automatically turns into a ukrainian weapon. if we start from this thesis, it means that we have every right to use it as determined by our defenders, and not by some international norms. there is a second side, it is the one that is constantly emphasized that any military aid is provided precisely under reinforced concrete, er...

conditions that can be verified, that these weapons will not be used on the territory of the russian federation, one breaking these two theses and the defensive arc of the summer campaign is actually being built right now, both on the fronts and in the peaceful cities of ukraine, as we see that there is actually an attempt to wipe out entire districts of kharkiv, such as saltivka, or vice versa. to hit with guided aerial bombs the largest crowd of people, as was the case during the weekend, in the recreation area of ​​kharkiv residents, or at educational and other institutions, or simply a residential building, all this flies from the territory of russia, it flies from the territory of russia to our borders on their planes, and all these airfields are yes or no otherwise, in strategic proximity to the borders of ukraine in order to... fly, there must

be mandatory reserves of fuel, which logistically must be delivered closer to the borders of ukraine, so that the plane can be lifted, and it is at a distance of 60-70 km from , for example, near kharkiv, which means 20-30 km deep in the russian federation, launch these guided bombs, in particular from belgorod region in the direction of kharkiv, in order to stop this massive terror among. in broad daylight it is necessary to hit at least 20-30 km depth on these planes in the air space russia, or, for example, on the same airfields that are within reach, in particular , to attack missiles from this range, which was given to us by the united states of america, i.e. 300 km, that is what we will now talk about with retired lieutenant general ihor romanenko , mr. igor, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, well, let’s start actually, probably already then with what i announced, that is, about the protection

of the airspace of ukraine, there are two of them, and the first one is about what kyiv requested, about , which our partners from warsaw stated, and some of the baltic states also supported it the scandinavians are talking about a real dome over part of the territory of ukraine, that is, the western region, and there is a discussion about it in nato, the german publication bild writes about it. what is the problem, why is it so difficult, for example, to make such a decision, if every time the western regions of ukraine are attacked with hypersonic or cruise missiles, the f-16 of the polish air force still takes off? the problem is that this is an american from europeans, the germans should not start at the expense of this kind of actions... the russians did not perceive it as a further

a threat to them, if the increase in the threatening potential did not lead to... palaces, this is the interpretation of our western allies, the americans, and the germans, although to the germans scholz himself, about a year and a half ago, it should be remembered , took the initiative to close the sky over europe, that it is necessary to form their respective forces, they see what happens to ukraine when this kind of fighting is going on , when the enemy carries out airstrikes. from the fact that you listed missiles, and ballistic, and cruise missiles, and shahed, i.e. barrage munitions, various means of this kind, and we have to fight against this, but when the question arose, the one that we asked

in fact from the first days of the war, to close the sky of ukraine, let's do it together, so then i will not fly to you all it. that affects us, they are afraid of what we are talking about now, that it may provoke the russians, and they threaten the germans, they sent them, that is, their bridges, on which they will beat the russians, for example, if it means that the germans will hand over their tauros , or the british, the british have given permission to hit with their storshedol on... an object on the territory of the russian federation, then they, if it will be, the russians have drawn their own red line, that they will then hit on british objects, even to the point that they will to use nuclear weapons and so on, mr. igor, but look, in this

case, these red lines have already turned into brown many times, and in addition to angry tweets, the eternally drunk dmitry medvedev to... practical some real threats to the same germany, britain, and now sweden gave the go-ahead to use their military aid for strikes on the territory of the russian federation, but it didn’t happen, and the usa knows this very well, how many times they have talked about these lines, they are already laughing at them, there are no lines, for russians, at least in they do not risk doing anything openly against nato countries. i would, well, first of all, i agree with you, secondly, i say that it is not that there are any brown ones left, our defenders erase them completely, and we see that there are further threats if things do not go well, but, but there are different politicians in

in the neighborhood of the president of the united states, there is a wing of sullivan, who is afraid of everything and manages to carry it out. security issues in such a way, as we can see, there is another wing of austin and blinkin, and it is in the confrontation that the policy of inhibition, unfortunately, carried out by the leadership of the united states, is born, of course, mr. igor, let's return to this european initiative , if it actually worked, it would mean that it is a patriot battery one or more in the area. ryasheva, or rzeszów in polish, could absolutely cover deep enough in the western region of ukraine from hypersonic and cruise missiles, adding aviation power, is there anything else , let's see, we would not be against not only

ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, but also to shoot down from the shaheda, and why not, there are means, they have v16. they do not allow, they do not remove the shutters to start our s-16s, let them shoot down the f-16s there, not yet flying in the western direction, that is, now the idea is to train our troops, this is what they did in the past, let's say, and this quite expensive, we remember, and we thank them for the fact that our military was trained on the territories of great britain and other european countries, but... probably now they think that it is expensive, it is necessary and possible to train directly on the training grounds, well , lviv is big and this training ground, i was there almost from the beginning of the war, let's say, until

they started shelling us, as it turns out now, this kgb major helped them, gave them maps, gave hints and beat and people died there. in connection with this, this is how it should be, if training is conducted at training grounds, at to the west, then it must be closed, because it is not enough. possibility, we saw how they influence it, yes, mr. igor, but actually we already mentioned that it is cheaper to teach not at a distance, well, indeed, the logistics are more difficult, we already have a precedent, when glavkom syrsky signs the documents and the first french instructors arrive to the educational centers of ukraine, there is a precedent, there may be others, other instructors, to what extent is this and how much will it strengthen us? looks, these are organizations, that is , the goal at the moment is to cover up the training

of our troops in the west of ukraine, but the means in we don't have enough, but what are there in poland, romania, well, in general, you can bend there german, any french, italian means of this kind, which will not be on the territory of ukraine, because they are also afraid that the russians will facilitate it here. to be perceived as the use of troops directly, well, as supplies, and they react specifically to the russians in order to, what is it in the region and so on, but it means that the troops are being prepared in our western territories, and for example, this is also technically implemented by the petrio complexes there, samti, they have a distance of 150, at medium high altitudes 160 km, planes lift. and we agree that it does not happen that it flew into the territory of poland, it can be hit, we give

consent to our, over our territory, thus the potential of anti- hail anti-missile defense in the western part of our country increases, thus we can move and whether on the line of contact or eastern, let's say, regions, it does not stand out. look, this is the western part, at least the scheme is clear here, if it works, for now we are waiting to see how it all works out, i mean poland, uk, canada, estonia, this those who have already openly supported such an idea, let's talk about the northeast, because there are reports of ballistics, and well, the s-300s, which follow a ballistic trajectory from belgorod, and cabs. just to this day , zelenskyi said up to 300 guided aerial bombs a

month, this is the intensity, in this case, if we receive the same answer as from the swedes and as from the british, that you can pound all our weapons on the territory of the russian federation, or we withdraw this threat, can we, for example, also with these means, which are from sweden and britain reach their airfields. and all the auxiliary logistics, where their planes are based, will we be able to destroy their launchers that are firing at us, for example, with the same s-300s, which they have a lot of? i would say that you can start it, you said well that it is to act on the prejudice, that is to hit their airfields, their planes, all the airfields, before they are with... that is very good and it should to enter this defense system, for example, which is around kharkiv, but this

is not enough, after all, you can't beat everyone, someone everything will take off smoothly, we remember that it is 75 km from the border, and now they have moved towards kharkov, we remember, and they are already at a distance of 26 km from kharkov, and if they manage to expand this buffer zone, well, let's say go around... these wedges or take , god forbid, and advance further to a distance of 20 km from kharkov, that is, this is the range of action of intensive artillery, and then kharkov will be under such artillery influences, as kherson is now with us, ugh, that's why the question in the next, you and i mean discussed issues regarding actions, say stormshadle. and archer, but now it is necessary to consider that the americans say that they do not

accept the use, but the responsibility of ukraine, i think, we are not afraid to take responsibility, and we need a couple of patriots, near kharkov, but not just peter, well, that’s it a machine that will knock down ballistics there and work there, but they can't maneuver very quickly, the russians are over kharkiv. made an intelligence system from unmanned reconnaissance vehicles, such as arland, in order to cover patriots, we need the irst system and the hepa system there. skynex to shoot down these aircraft, and why is it so important, because they are scouting and right away iskanders will strike the launch positions or the placement of the patriot battery, you know, and so if we don't do it, then in

a week or two, they will scout and they will beat our patriots, who will be given to us, because... they have now formed reconnaissance-strike complexes, this means that at the present time objects are being scouted online by aerial vehicles, from space, from their means unmanned intelligence apparatuses, such as arland, and are transferred directly not through the headquarters for a long time, directly to the iskander complexes, and those in a few minutes, there 4-6 minutes. take these coordinates and launch iskanders at patriot positions, of course, mr. igor, but as you described, for example, how it should look, it is called echelined air defense, it is very good for us that you perceive it that way, we really wanted i would like the audience to understand what

the conversation is about, that's why we need patriots not for for the russians to hunt them down, but in order for... after all, those su-34s that we did not finish off at the airfields, which flew into the air with kabam, and what are they doing, they fly from the airfields, accelerate, climb the the height is somewhere around 11 km, these are the best conditions, and without reaching the borders with ukraine, these cabs are launched, with such approaches as we are talking about, these cabs can fly up to 70... and they even say 90, we are talking about that just actually told our viewers and explained how it can be resisted, but this is already airspace of the same russian federation, we don't have much time left, mr. mr. igor, but there is one video that i want to ask you as a specialist to analyze, it is being dispersed today by the soldiers of the russian zmi, this is

a video in which their russian k-52 helicopter , well known as an alligator, we them. also more than one was fired, launches a rocket, as the russians claim, it is nothing but kh-59, kh-69. well, and accordingly, uh, in the comments, i have already seen certain comments from military experts who say that if this is true, then this is very bad news for us. is there really? the ability of the kh-59 x69 winged aircraft to be launched from a helicopter, what is shown to us in this picture. before that, until now, this was done from tactical aviation, first the x59, and then the modernized version of the x69, there were also su-34s, they say from other aircraft, but the planes were launched, here if, if it is really so, but oh well to trust their propaganda, but

what you see does not give you the opportunity to say with confidence that it is true or not? from the fact that , while i still see it, i cannot say for sure, it is very responsible, if so from a point of view in view of the fact that they have new capabilities to carry for striking, and this only suggests that the americans should go further decisively to lift the ban on the use of the f16 and allow the swedes to provide us with gripens, so what is needed not with spoons, as they do with teapots, and in terms of armaments and in terms of approaches related to the provision, then they, then, at the end of last year, they are now telling us that they should appear in the summer, almost by the fall, they are moving these f16s, but and immediately let we were not bored in the perception that it could be, well, no more than six f-16s, what is being talked about,

the number is there, everything is there, of course it is difficult, you see, of course. on this in the fight, no one says, but there are no limits to improvement, and therefore it was necessary to start yesterday, this, we see how difficult it is without this, without these aircraft, which are not only the long arm of anti-aircraft defense, but also light attack aircraft that operate on ground targets, but look, we see that this is not only a problem here, i see that the military vets, well... generals in the states say, my god, these f-16s could have been in ukraine two years ago, here is such a statement today, and we understand that this is a kind of logic, and we have to push back. what we have, and we have , for example, here is good news today, as they say, from the king of spain himself, who met our head of state and the president,

a large aid package, a billion 130 million euros, and this is only now, and there will be 5 more billion by the year 27, this is no longer about homeopathy, it is about large volumes, it is volumes, look, a nuance. in the fact that we are collecting seven batteries, yes really took into account that there are opportunities in greece and in spain, to provide, for example, in spain not only and not so many missiles, we really need them for the patriot, because it is valuable, but consumable material, but there is an opportunity, but where is spain and yes, russia, which is there, so to speak, will somehow inflict some kind of damage on spain. gifts and for them to hand over the patriots, but the greeks said that they could not, they have loved the russians since ancient times, just not even

the patriots, but the old soviet equipment, the same strysta there and the tenth arrow and hand over, so that this love will not be broken in any way, even though the russians are creating there, and the greeks remain in rose-colored glasses, and here in spain, that is , there are also there... petri, who could give and they would enter these seven , which we desperately needed as recently as yesterday and which we previously agreed upon, well, thank you for sure, if they handed over the axis of these rockets or cartridges to the spaniards, we would also thank you, and the rockets to, let’s say, the patriots will be rockets to the patriots, for now about petrus, the spanish i can't hear anything, maybe there was a conversation, but so far they are on it was not decided, yes mr. igor, thank you for the expertise. analysis, we had retired lieutenant general ihor romanenko with us, by the way, now he has his own fund, we will close the sky

of ukraine, we were just talking about it about the sky of ukraine. if everything that was planned and needed did not happen in portugal, it may be possible on may 28, i.e. tomorrow, because that is where zelensky will go to portugal after spain, let's see what happens in portugal. the package will be, and in the meantime, in the verdict program, we will talk a little about the same events from the other side, because with us there are two guests: political technologist taras zavhorodniy and political scientist serhii taran. mr. taras, mr. serhiy, congratulations, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, good day, glory to the heroes, well, let's start with the owners of the battle, we were talking about air defense battles. and missiles and bombs, now we will talk about the battles of peace formulas and different, as they say, many summits, good and different,

as of this minute, in fact, we know that already more than 100 countries will come to the peace summit, to the peace conference in switzerland , and there will be a ukrainian peace formula, besides that there will be... an anti-forum, which, i don't know, is anti-peace or something, it is, as i understand it, russia and brazil are playing some kind of game, and today they added a third one, it's somewhere in the fall, where they say that they should have there would be ukraine and russia, there will be several forums and in general, what do they want to get out of all this, who will start, mr. taras, let's start, because we already started this conversation with you only yesterday, right? well, look, to be honest, i was quite skeptical about the peace summit, which is being prepared by ukraine, what is gathered, but what is happening around

it from the side of russia and china, it says that they still seriously consider this thing, they understand the diplomatic consequences of everything that will still happen after this summit, because if you know, it was so... serious, well, they talked and so on, yes, but the fact that china and brazil made a joint statement there, by the way, partly coincides with what will be discussed at the peace summit, precisely in relation to nuclear security and other issues, but here it should be understood , again, we are often confused when china talks about sovereignty, indivisibility and nuclear security, it's china that worries more than anything... about itself, because when it talks about indivisibility and unity, it usually means taiwan, and with regard to nuclear security, they have to

interfere in this matter because. .. not because of great love for ukraine, but because of danger to yourself, why? because china is afraid that in the case of the theoretical use of nuclear weapons in ukraine, and they are categorically against this, they understand that this will dramatically worsen the situation with them, why? because japan and south korea will push the united states of america to get its own nuclear weapons, the technological base they have for this... has been ready for a long time, it has plutonium, it has missiles, and everything related to that, so they understand that the emergence of two nuclear states , such as japan, which, by the way, has confirmed its commitment to the protection of taiwan, this will dramatically worsen their situation. second, we see russia's commotion, they are starting to gather foreign ministers of brics countries, and trying

to create another, you know, another. so peaceful the conference, uh, to demonstrate some kind of special position, and that's very good actually, it means that , however we feel about this peace summit, it will have an effect, and we will have a long-term effect . further, why is there a commotion in russia now? we see, you know, in kidea also from some western bodies there about various korean scenarios and other scenarios, peaceful wars. russia is in a big hurry. russia is in a hurry, because i posted an interview on facebook with such a famous energy analyst who predicted that at the beginning, when the war just started, that because of the sanctions in russia , the energy industry will begin to break down even before the strikes of ukrainian drones, they will begin to disrupt technological cycles and many other things,

they will have it in the fall, in the fall. problems will begin in the energy sector, which we will already see, the whole world will see that they will be in a very weak position, that's why they start these, you know, movements, let's quickly negotiate, peace and so on, and this is again due to the strikes of ukrainian drones , which you can already see, these drones are already obsolete fly to novorossiysk, this is a very, very painful topic for the russians, because oil exports also take place through novorossiysk, it is a non-freezing port, there on... afta goes to india, china and many other countries, and that is why they sign very much, and when there will again throw in bloomberg that someone is going to do something with saudi arabia, i am sure, this is the information war of the russians, they want to blur the effect of this summit, which will still take place and try to show that they are ready to negotiate, i believe that this is a lie, as long as putin is in power, the war will continue, mr. sergey, i apologize,

but ex-prime minister kasyanov actually says, personnel reshuffles and everything that putin is doing, he has actually been playing for years, the war to exhaustion, here, mr. taras says that they are in a hurry, because the window of opportunity is not so big, and there will start catastrophic weapons in the very infrastructure of russia, you see, just two two different things, are you also considering? all these things that later after the global peace summit with the russians will sit down in saudi arabia, and there will be something there to discuss in such a way that it would be negotiations about ukraine and russia somehow there in person, is it or is it just an informational and psychological game and the influence of our western allies so that the cracks go away, or is it a strategy? well, unfortunately, it doesn't happen that wars end during

meetings. some countries that are gathering somewhere, they will meet, talk, and the war will end on the second day. this has never been and never will be. the forum that is being held in switzerland is rather a political forum in order to attract pressure on the russian federation, primarily the countries of the global south. so it turned out that during the sanctions imposed by the west on the russian federation, russia sometimes managed to avoid these sanctions due to the position of the global south. well , we see it, and it is actually important, precisely these countries of the global south, although they are divided and not united, but they still represent a certain position, it is important to drag them to the side of good, this is what this forum is for, that is why we actually see this struggle for the widest possible representation on this forum, first of all...