we need to start work on building such an international network, if russia builds on money, on propaganda, on some corrupt connections or on political influence, then we need to build it on values ​​and on such very basic things as human solidarity and empathy and a sense of personal responsibility for everything that is happening in the world, but after this story with the termination of consular services to conscript men, will there be cracks in the diaspora itself? it is obvious that they will go. it seems to me that this is it the issue of mobilization is very complicated, and different parts of ukrainian society have different interests in this regard, and here the ukrainian state, it seems to me, is taking mutually contradictory steps, on the one hand, it seems to be emasculating this draft law, not to... . and the norms

demanded by that part of society that is fighting against this law are disappearing, on the other hand, it is a completely different signal that we will now take care of those ukrainians who are abroad, maybe the struggle for mobilization for justice is different different, different the struggle is simple, well it should in any case have some real mechanisms of implementation, this is how it looks like these are different mutually contradictory signals, and it is difficult for me to understand ... what is our state policy regarding mobilization, again, i do not military expert, i can only look at it from a human rights point of view, but to go back to your question, it seems to me that despite all that, the vast majority of people abroad understand that this is a war for survival and feel a responsibility to their country survived, even when they are safe abroad, they do something, in which country do i meet such

people who tell me how many charity actions they have done, how they themselves transported something, how they carry out some kind of informational work , these people should become more, not less, which means that they should conduct campaigns to involve other people in this work, and not only rely solely on their own strength. we have already used the word survival several times in our conversation, and here it is an important moment that we had. at least after the maidan of 2013-14, that from this civilization of survival, which existed on the territory of ukraine, we can say the whole 20, 20, 20 century, we are moving to such values ​​of the civilized world, which require a completely different attitude to human life, to solidarity, to mutual understanding, to respect for the state and for the state's respect for the person, and now we again, it is logical... after the beginning of this great

war, moved to the value of survival, as far as it affects rights in general of a person and in the perspective of the general perception of human rights by the citizens themselves as a value? it affects a lot, because war is poison, war is poison not only for ukrainian society, for any society, in my time, while studying at tenfer university, i specially took a course on wars and on international settlement in order to understand these to be ready for what awaits us, both during the war and after the war ends, if it does not end, and it is quite difficult to hold on to this framework of freedom and democracy human rights, when survival instincts come to the forefront, and this is understandable, it is not some fault, it is simply a context in which...

a responsible person must rely even more on self-reflection, and simply every day, making a thousand decisions, remember it is difficult to remember what we are fighting for, but what still gives me optimism is that when you open any research for all these years regarding ukrainians and values, in the hierarchy of values, ukrainians always place freedom on the first place, but... acceptance of freedom, it generally assumes duty, but right here it is important to understand whether freedom is a tool for building a civilized country, or freedom is an element for an anarchic perception of oneself and the state and oneself in the state, this is a very correct question, because freedom and will, you know, it's so obvious, and different categories, it's the same as someone told me that we were all on the maidan, but everyone stood on the maidan for their own, well, that is, for their own idea and... eh, it's true,

it's true, needs an even deeper study, because for me freedom is an opportunity to take responsibility for one's own actions, that is, it is responsible for me. ness and freedom are equivalent concepts, that is, i do not transfer the responsibility for my life to someone else, i am able myself, i have the freedom to take responsibility for it, then for someone, freedom, for example, is often used to explain to western societies, problems that they already have, i say, it is the opportunity to choose between different cheeses in the supermarket, that is freedom, freedom of choice, i just went to the supermarket, chose different cheeses, that is, i am a free person, i can to choose a match. and this is how i see it, well, this is how freedom was perceived in soviet society, there were not several types of cheese, and those who have access to products were considered free, obviously, and now western societies, which absolutely do not know what it is like not to have a choice of cheese, see freedom, this is how it is as a requirement for

the state to secure their comfort zone, and that is why it is so difficult to explain now, this is me again making a link with our situation, that if ukraine... does not stop russia, then russia will go further, and they will be forced exit the zone comfort, and all this help that we receive, and for which we are certainly grateful, because nothing is guaranteed in the world, no one is obliged to provide this help, but it is not just help, it is an investment in their own safety, well here it is still important for us to understand how to prevent the degradation of such an understanding of freedom in society, because you know, i remember very well the russian society of the 90s there , and by and large, at least in the big cities that were the centers of the country there, such as moscow or st. petersburg, level this freedom and responsibility in many people was much higher than in ukrainian society, then we saw hundreds of thousands

of rallies there in defense of free lithuania, or people even went to demonstrations against the war in chechnya, and there was a huge number of people who voted for liberal . political forces, it was not the majority, maybe, but it was millions of people all over the country, and now these people are simply gone, we even now see there from sociological polls that the majority of russians would generally like the country to be communist, their the number grows every year, sympathies for stalin grow every year, that is, from the society that i observed as a society that seemed to gravitate towards freedom, only memories remained, it is possible to write memoirs, but also... poor lawbreakers, by the way , now to recall, who in fact put their whole lives into making this society the way they dreamed of it, made compromises with the authorities, remember how lyudmila aleksieva, nothing came of it, just nothing at all, this very important to me

moment, how do we prevent such opportunities in our country? i don't have a simple answer, but i 'll try to tell my vision, society really can become rigid very quickly, because what i see and observe in russian society is a rapid barbarization, then this whole thin layer of culture in the form of a dostoevsky ballet and so on, it, it simply overlaps with these patterns of behavior that we see on the ukrainian territory, which were forcibly brought here by the russian military, if for someone russian culture is conventional tchaikovsky, at least with his ukrainian roots, then for me it's budcha. this is russian culture, this is what we saw there, these dead bodies of people lying in the streets, and with their hands often tied behind their backs until the moment of their release, this is russian culture for me, well, like german culture during the second world war there were wars, aughvitsibar, absolutely, and

there is a difference between german and russian culture, but your question was not about that, so i will answer it first: the responsibility lies with people who understand the threat on... the ukrainian intelligentsia, on ukrainian civil society, because the minority determines the vector in which the country will move and develop, and therefore it is important that this minority is organized, that it articulates its messages, and that it speaks in different languages ​​about the same thing, which even under a time of genocidal war of extermination, we must remember that we are fighting to remain a free society, and that is a challenge. double, and that this war did not begin in february 22, as the world thinks, in february 14, when we in the first once we got a chance to build such a free society, well, at the same time, the attitude of the state and society towards this particular person is also very important, you understand, something that,

by and large, we have not seen very often even since 200 there in 2014, when it came to forced migrants , even not only from the side of the state, but also from the side of society... do you remember those suspicious views of people who were forced to leave crimea and donbas because they did not want to live under occupation, well, we as a society have to. .. to grow up rapidly, and for me it is one of those of the signs of growing up is self-reflection, it's when you don't just feel your emotions and think that you have the right to do whatever you want because you're traumatized, angry or something, but when you try to rationalize them as an adult, and yes, you are entitled to all emotions, but even with all those emotions that we all feel, during war, you have to make informed decisions that have a positive effect. not only in the short term, in the long term. i never

mention it on the international stage but always i remind you at the meetings with the ukrainian audience. the war in syria started a long time ago, and the ukrainians, they were also not the kind who fell asleep thinking about the poor syrians and woke up thinking about the poor syrians. about myself, and i also remember, since i have been engaged in human rights protection since 2007, about a huge scandal, when in ukraine the question of building a shelter for syrian bishens was simply discussed, and ukrainians, well, people in this area said: no, no, we no one we want, and i will not be surprised that some of these people may also have become refugees and received a warm shelter in other countries, which we once refused by the same. to people who fled the war, so self-reflection is a very

important ability of adult society, well , you understand, to be honest, not every person is capable of self-reflection, here a lot depends on state policy, to be honest , again, and on the media, because require every person to engage in self-reflection, that in a period of, you know, survival, when you need a million problems to decide immediately when money becomes less and the children need to be fed to school and to drive a husband who is in the army, to collect help for this husband himself to fight or to work hard to feed the family in economic conditions that are changing, this again about survival, yes, that's why we won't be able to tell everyone, you have to, you know, reflect, understand the situation, it depends on how much states and society are able to respond to the call, you know, i'm not just demanding, i'm reminding... and i speak and you and i always act based on the fact that i do not translate my responsibility to the state, i am not

a public servant, i am not a politician, and i have great respect for the work of journalists, i understand the role of the media in a free society, but i also know that people have a lot of power, and i appeal to people with a reminder, what should be done and who is capable of it, even in the conditions that have developed, when, when the truth is that society is sick, when society is tired, when we go to bed and do not know what awaits us in the morning, and the first thing that we we do - we check it, and what happened last night because even if your city in kyiv was not shelled, yes, this does not mean that other cities were not affected that night, even in such conditions, i remind you that we have ourselves in front of ourselves, not in front of anyone, but in front of ourselves , that's it... such a moral, i would say, obligation to reflect on this situation, as much as

it seems possible to us? well, people always perceive the protection of human rights and accountability for crimes against humanity as some kind of effective tool, do you remember the one that was in ukraine, you can say, even joy when it was issued the arrest warrant for vladimir putin, well, it's important, i can explain, it's important not only from the point of view of law. in the long-term perspective, if putin lives, yes, then he will be in trouble, in the sense that authoritarian regimes fall and their leaders, who considered themselves untouchable, end up in court, we don't have all of them, honestly all of them, but we have examples, we have examples of milosevic, whom serbia did not want to hand over to the hague, but serbia was forced to, that is, we do not know what the future will be, but with this warrant we are trying to construct the version of the future that we need it, but even in the short term it is super important, and here it is not even legal consequences, but other consequences that matter. i

travel a lot now to different countries of the world, i meet with presidents, with members of the government, with parliamentarians, journalists, there with different audiences, and i know, and everyone in ukraine knows, that there are politicians, even in the western world and not only orban , who would like to return to the so-called business as usual with russia. and here is this legal decision, this order for arrest, he puts for them barrier, because orban can shake putin's hand in beijing, but a person who... declares his commitment to democracy and whose voters follow this, well, he already understands that if he shakes the hand of the world's biggest kidnapper of children , well, he will get rid of his career in this society, that is, there are still such short-term consequences that are super important for us. and tell me, hatred for putin is absolutely understandable,

but in principle, one way or another , during the war, society lives in this category of hatred. yes that doesn't happen, you yourself mentioned about budcha, what emotions it arouses in people, it arouses hatred towards those who did this to the country, towards the citizens of this country, who are able not to notice it, and here's how to get out of this hatred, that's also an important thing, do you remember how during the second world war there was a famous article by ilya orenburg, kill a german, ugh, and at the end of the war, even the soviet leadership was forced to... try to move away from this article and then it was never republished, i this article read in the orenburg collection published in 1942, after 1945 it was already impossible to see her anywhere. it seems to me that when you are on the battlefield, this thinking is biphasic, that is, which is very much

has only two colors, black and white, it is necessary, because you are trying to... survive, because on the battlefield, if you do not quickly figure it out, where is your enemy, well, they will just kill you, so when you see that a russian soldier is coming at you, you don't have the luxury of thinking, maybe he is fooled by russian propaganda, or maybe he has three children, or maybe he is a good person and an outstanding musician, if you will think, then he will kill you, because this is the battlefield, and this is the logic, it is justified there, and many things that are justified on the battlefield cannot be automatically transferred. i'm sorry, because hatred is a very complex feeling, like an emotion that needs an outlet, you ask me what to do with it, well, i'm not a psychologist, it's difficult for me to answer this professionally, i know only two things, the first is that the same commander-in-chief of the upa, roman shukhevich, said that we fight not because

we hate those in front of us, but because we love those who are behind us, and... the second thing i already see is how the hatred in the rear, how people who cannot reach the russians, they are not on the battlefield, they begin to pour out to those to whom can reach out, that is, on themselves, and i can already see how this hatred, which is being cultivated, is fragmenting ukrainian society, and it seems to me that we in the rear, if we are not already in the trenches, need to treat each other more gently, because everyone is sick. everyone is tired, you don't see how the war was fought under a man and how your word can hit that person instead, we observe in social networks, well, not just a parade of these aggressive comments, but very dangerous trends that can tear apart the social organism, and this is when you watch, sometimes, how

they are attacked, in the last case it was a paramedic, uh... ekaterina, a pseudo-bird, who survived in azovstal, went through captivity and then they began to scold her there that she did not look like what people wanted her to look like, she wrote a post that she was scolded for her weight, and you just think : "my god, we don't need putin either, what are you doing, get off of her." here it is very important to understand how much in principle. well, this is public, i would say, disappointment, just disappointment in a long war, people just did not expect it to be so long, they are somehow disappointed that they are forced to live with a long war, even if they understand the inevitability of this , as it will be reflected in the post-war part, you said at the beginning of the war that for

you victory is not just the restoration of territorial integrity, but also the end democratic... transformation of the state, but now there is such an uncomfortable question: will it be possible to do all this, to complete the democratic transformation, to create a real society, of solidary people in the conditions, if we do not manage to restore this territorial integrity for a long time, well, then we we will be forced to do it in the conditions that exist, because we cannot predict the future, but the future is also not written in advance by anyone, this means that our generation must do everything dependent and carry out these democratic transformations so that the next generation, if we fail to restore the territorial integrity of the 91 border, it was easier to do it, we have to look and play long. to build long strategies, and what war does, it narrows that horizon because we can't plan for the next months, we can't plan for the week, we, we for our

day can't plan, we don't understand what will happen and when, and so this ambition for a long strategy, it is also a resistance, because we say that whatever happens, we know that one day we will recover it, one day we will return to these border, and now we are taking certain intermediate steps, i will give an example so that it does not sound abstract. "i am a student of ukrainian dissidents, yevhen sverstyuk played a lot of my personal role in fate, he is a philosopher, writer, prisoner of soviet political camps. i read a lot of memoirs of ukrainian and russian dissidents, and i thought about this issue, because from the point of view of the short-term perspective, well they looked like those who lost, because the movement was crushed, some people were... beaten, some people ended up in the soviet system, there was no mass support, there was no mass support, destinies are destroyed, families are divided, that is, from

a short-term perspective, they lost, but now we are in 2024, we know that we regained our independence in the 90s only because in the 60s x this group of people fought, so this is the laying of a long strategy and all ... seeds that will germinate, well , this is super important, but what should come first, an effective state or an effective society in such a situation, or is it not need to distinguish? i think that an effective society is interested in an effective state, well, we can’t pay three times, but we can’t, but now a lot of things in the army are covered by volunteer things, we have grown up powerful volunteer funds, they are already buying such weapons, they started with... in the 14th year, yes, with some socks, and now they are already buying some unreal heavy

heavy mechanics, although in reality it should be done by an efficient state for our taxes, obviously, what i am getting at is that paying three times is not unreasonable, we are doing it temporarily now, an efficient society is very is interested in the state becoming effective, so that we start paying once... but already, you know, to be exactly on target. thank you, ms. alexandra. our interlocutor was human rights activist oleksandra matviychuk. thank you to everyone who was with us on this broadcast, which was conducted for you by vitaly portnikov. i wish you all the best, friends, victory and peace. dollar cream relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. with the cream dolgit, whatever you want, i will raise. dolgit - the only yellow cream for joint and back pain. what

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