it would be just after saturday's strikes as a result of the attack on the epicenter hypermarket on may 25, according to the latest data, 18 people died, but the search is still ongoing. in total, in just one saturday, russia launched four separate missile strikes and guided bomb strikes on kharkiv, in addition to the epicenter of the central park, a residential area and an educational institution. the use of precision-guided munitions against civilians indicates that russia intends to force the city's residents to... flee, according to a recent review american institute for the study of war. this assumption is not really new. in april , the american publication bloomberg reported about such plans of russia. the latest actions of the kremlin look like a coordinated effort to make kharkiv uninhabitable - journalists stated at the time. since then, shelling of the region and kharkiv itself has noticeably increased. the russian army launched a new offensive on the kharkiv region. according to one of the versions, the kremlin plans to create on the territory of the region. the so-called

buffer zone, as volodymyr said the day before zelenskyi, russia is gathering another grouping of troops near the ukrainian border and is preparing for a new offensive attempt. what can ukraine do under such conditions, how to protect the civilian population, which, according to the local authorities , is more than 1 million in kharkiv alone. whether it is worth evacuating the entire city and whether it is realistic in principle, we will talk about it today, but first look at what journalists rfe/ rl managed to film the aftermath of the attack. to the construction hypermarket in kharkiv on saturday, i came to sell, wait for the lists, very many employees, очень много, very many. employees, a lot, we

started looking to help others, but there was a flame, it was impossible to help, i saw that there was one victim, it was an employee, where there was an exit from the gate, it's a pity, people still remained there, so sorry. sat at our workplace in the center of the furniture store and the first flight came and my partner and i laid down on the floor, the second came and we started to fall asleep, the roof fell, debris and... then

we got up together and started crawling, just at random, light , everything is on fire there, some people, they tried to pull us along and climbed into the warehouse, that's all, then i don't remember anything else, they just got out and called an ambulance from the backyard, people there already picked us up. yevhen ivanov, deputy chief of the kharkiv regional military administration, joined our broadcast. i welcome you to our broadcast, i congratulate you, and please tell me what you would advise people who are staying in kharkiv now, if they asked you to stay whether to leave, stay or leave is a personal choice for everyone, but we, in terms of advice, definitely we advise not to ... with

in view of the fact that currently alarms in kharkiv last up to 16 hours, almost a day, this happens, do not ignore alarms, avoid crowding, do not visit shopping networks without need, or quickly do your business in them, and places in general general crowd once again to definitely avoid it, and nevertheless to stay or leave, well, it's not correct. that's how you ask the question, look, from our review, despite the fact that the shelling, they, i'll just explain why i ask such a question, because you are a representative of the local government, and as a rule, this and that information that is not available to an average citizen, an average kharkiv resident, is available to you, and based on this information, you strategically plan something for yourself, and accordingly you develop certain instructions, action algorithms for the local population, see ,

there is no threat of encirclement or capture of the city, if we are talking about it at the moment, and even the threat of direct fire, artillery, it is also not there, what was feared. in the course of the northern new offensive from may 10, that is, the threat of encirclement, there is no capture, regarding the threat of shelling rockets and bombs, it was and is, and none, no corner, no part of the city, or even our region, it is not safe, 24x7, in fact, and in these conditions we live, the city lives and works, and currently we do not fix , despite the fact that since the beginning of the year the shelling has greatly increased, we still do not fix... from the population flow from the city of kharkiv, currently the population, as it was, is approximately 1.3 million people, but still agree, that the situation is a little different from what it was before, because, for example, now russia very actively applies, uses kabi

against kharkov, which, for example, did not happen in 22nd year, yes, they were shelled with artillery, it is mainly saltivka, in general this technology with scabbards, as far as i understand, russia will work it out... not bad for avdiivka and now she uses it around kharkov, well, cabs fly like that, they fly chaotically, and the emphasis is on the city center, on residential buildings, on places of general gathering of people, and again, today at 4:00 p.m., two more cabs to our city, one kab fell, in fact, it is the central one part of the city, fortunately, into the ground, but there were no casualties near high-rise buildings, near residential buildings. however, there is a casualty from the second cab, who fell into a rather, by the way, powerful private enterprise, in which we already have 11 wounded and one dead woman, this is today's shelling, literally today 16:00, two hours ago, yes two hours ago ,

look, there is nothing against the cabals in ukraine, and even if patriots appear in kharkiv, they are not countermeasures against the cabals, but some security experts. military experts, with with whom i spoke, they say that russia is turning kharkiv into aleppo, do you agree with such a comparison? they definitely have such intentions, they mean it very well so that both our viewers and our western partners understand that their main goal is the destruction of civilian infrastructure and civilian people, indeed the goal is the destruction of the city, the city, it is obvious, and turning it into a gray uninhabited area. as to whether we can respond to the cabs, against the cabs, even now, i will say, there is something to answer our military, who are stationed in the north and successfully are holding the front line, but here again there is a very important message to ensure that everyone understands that our military cannot

work on targets on the territory of russia, bilhorod oblast, given the fact that there is a ban from western partners on the use of weapons on these these. if this ban did not exist, then right now, in principle, there is something to answer adequately, and nevertheless you said that you really observe that russia destroys the civilian infrastructure in kharkiv, destroys the civilian population, and as of now there really is no permission from partners to apply american weapons over there, for example, the infrastructure, and where these cabs are coming from, given that, don't you think that or don't you think it makes sense to think about evacuation? as for thinking about evacuation, we have definitely been thinking about it for a long time, and we definitely have worked out an emergency plan and an evacuation plan for the communities of our districts, the territory of the region and the city of kharkiv, moreover,

we have had such experience for 22 years. and certainly we are now more prepared for such a course of circumstances and events, if that it will not be possible, then the local government, together with the central government, has such a plan and can work it out, but at the moment there is not a single, not a single sign of the need to evacuate the city, what should these signs be, what should happen so that, as you say, that there are signs that indicate to us that we should think about evacuation, the threat of the environment or the capture of the city, ugh, just as we have worked out so far in limes. the lovchan community, evacuated almost the entire population from here, more than 11 thousand osips, the evacuation is still ongoing, and it was happening in fact, at the same hour when the enemy entered, crossed our border, and early in the morning on the same day, the evacuation

of those communities began. we will now return to the communities, because after all, for example, in the vovchansk community, there were also - and people ended up in basements and... and the shooting of civilians, we will talk about it now, allow me, i will still stop there , that is, the mass use of cabs in trade networks, in printing, in civil. population, this is still insufficient reason to think about the evacuation of the city, or at least the evacuation of certain enterprises. and regarding the city, regarding the evacuation of the city, no, this is not a sign of the evacuation of the city at the moment, regarding the enterprises, i will note that in fact about 80% of our enterprises are either closed, or destroyed, or have already been relocated, and the relocation process is taking place from march 22nd of the year from... those who could, in fact , did it, and allow me a personal question, are you from

kharkiv? yes, your family also lives in kharkiv? yes, the children are also in kharkiv? family, the information that we have about my family is superfluous, but yes, all are located in the city or region. i ask about this so that you know, there were no such discrepancies, when, for example, officials come out and say that... the situation is more or less difficult, but more or less controlled, but they do not call, relatively speaking, for people to evacuate, or they say it there at your discretion, and at the same time they took their families out, so i believe that this is socially important information, and that is why i clarify it with you, and the mayor of the city, igor terikhov, recently said that in kharkiv they plan to build an entire underground town there with school, with parking, with playgrounds, even announced the cost of construction there in over 200 million yy. tell me, please, is it serious, now this idea is being considered, very

seriously, and this is a continuation of those, in fact , projects that have already been completed and regarding the construction of underground, shelters for schools, underground, some of them have already been completed and regarding the fact that our children actually study in the metro, there is an equipped school there, about 300 children are studying there, so this project is a logical, adequate continuation of the past ones. projects, and this is what kharkiv needs to think about in view of such a neighborhood as ours we have, even though the hostilities may end, or there will be some, some even conditional peace, it doesn't matter, well, given its geography, kharkiv must prepare for the fact that part, let's say, of its infrastructure , it must protect precisely under it is still early morning. to talk about any results, this is only the presented plan, and let's hope that it will respond like this, because

of course, the city itself, it will not be able to afford a full construction with its budget such a project, that is, we definitely count on the attention of foreign partners for foreign investments, including, and i understand you, let's now talk about the region, you said that 11,000 people were evacuated from a number of communities, now, if i'm not... i'm wrong of dozens of small villages are re-occupied near the border, the fighting is currently going on near vovchansk, if i understand correctly, the fighting is going on in the city now, yes , the fighting is going on in the city 50/50, the city is owned by us and the enemy, it is 50/50, and it is really occupied several dozens of small villages and villages located further north, this is a re-occupation, one might say, of these settlements, so the chief... of the vovchansk police department , oleksiy kharkivskyi, the day before, at least on his facebook page, stated that

the evacuation from vovchansk has been stopped, is that true? currently, it is not stopped, it continues, this is the first, the second moment, there are about 100 people left there, and they mostly all stayed in the territory actually under the control of the enemy, so the volunteers and together with the police from the state emergency service, they work whole they are working every day, looking for an opportunity to save and take out some more people, but definitely, let's say, correctly, the pace of evacuation, they have slowed down a lot, definitely the largest number of people were evacuated during the first three or four days there, i.e. there is vovchansk, the city is relatively speaking, divided in half, fighting continues in one part of the city, and those who remained there cannot be evacuated... maybe because this part of the city is controlled by russia, and from the other part of the city, according to you, if i

understood you correctly, there are ongoing evacuations, or there are attempts to evacuate, attempts to evacuate are exactly that, and i will also note that there is practically nothing left of the city, and the fighting continues not in the occupied part, but in fact on the whole territory, beforehand, and practically every day the city is destroyed from the air, and there is hardly a whole building there at the moment, huh. could you now name the settlements that, relatively speaking, should be prepared, or should we think about evacuation right now, because there is a high probability that they will be occupied. we also believe the armed forces of ukraine and we see the relevant facts of the conduct of hostilities, so at the moment there is no talk of extending the line of occupation, of new settlements that will be occupied, but i would like to note that at the time when we evacuated the vavchansk

community, then some, some residents, for example, voluntarily, voluntarily evacuated and starosal. community, which is actually near vovchansk, closer to kharkiv, it is more southerly, and some people evacuated their discretion is already from it, considering again the fact that, let's say about the fact that the entire north, in fact, it is part of the chuguyiv kharkiv district, it is also the dergachiv community, tserkunivska, starosaltivska, lipetsk, vovchanska, zolochivska, all these regions the communities that i have listed, they are very powerful and are bombarded with kababs and artillery. er with a very high intensity, mr. ivanov, i ask you to stay in touch, because anastasia is joining us, she is currently in one of the eu countries, she herself is from vovchanchansk, i would just like that you listened to her story and maybe answered, anastasia, i welcome you on the air, you hear me, you see, your father

was in the village of staritsa at the time of the russian troops' attack, it is not far from vovchansk, you were looking for him, and then it turned out. that he was taken to russia, please tell me what is known about his movement, and as i understand it, he was not the only one among the civilians who was taken to russia? he is not the only one, they were taken out in groups, and what i know, unfortunately, is such, such information, such as that they were taken out, they did not have the opportunity to contact their relatives, no one knows how, in what way they were taken out, or were they taken out? by force, or were they taken out of their own accord, it is known that they were sitting in cellars, in cellars, in basements, simply hiding from shelling, many, many buildings were damaged, there are cases of deaths of residents, they, they killed

civilians, civilians? or what do you mean? there was a case when a resident of our village was killed, i don't know him personally, but according to information from fellow villagers, his father's fellow villagers, they said, yes, he was really killed, huh, well, this information is in the media space, it can be checked, anastasia, please tell me to what extent your father and the villagers, all the residents in this village were informed about... firstly, about the attack of russian troops and secondly, about whether any evacuation was carried out before the preventive , so to speak, maybe in a few hours or in a few days, as far as i know, people were informed that way, they were informed that there would be an offensive, who could, who had

the opportunity to leave, those who left, who did not i don't know for what reasons. including my father, he did not leave, he stayed, and only a few days later i found out that he and his roommates were taken out, but there are people, there are people who need evacuation, this is 100%, there are grandmothers, the grandfathers who stayed behind, of their own accord or not, i also, i don't know, are in touch with us now, let's give him a word, yevhen ivanov for... head of the kharkiv regional military administration, yevhen, do you know about the number of people, which actually already newly occupied territories, such as vovchansk , were taken to russia, because this had already happened before, and we see a repetition of this situation in the kharkiv region. well, first of all, i will say that indeed we have already recorded cases and opened criminal proceedings accordingly regarding

the shooting of civilians, including the disabled, and we have confirmed facts that... dozens, maybe more, maybe a hundred people, we are not we have an exact amount of information regarding the future fate of these people, these people, but there is a certain number of residents who are in fact, either in the occupied territory, or taken to russia, and as far as we know, this was definitely done against their will, but i would like to note that during the evacuation, right during the evacuation, it is also a rather complicated process, and a rather... large percentage of people did not want to evacuate despite the start of hostilities, these are objective facts, that is, in fact, the state emergency service, with the police, with volunteers and even with psychologists, they carried out these works by persuasion. people to leave their homes, still evacuate, there are such cases, even when the street is actually shelled, it is on fire, and there are as many as two out of ten houses, and

these people are in them, and they still do not want to evacuate, that is, we carried out this work, and while the city was completely under the control of the armed forces of ukraine, accordingly, the evacuation was definitely in full swing. but you said that there was even shelling recorded, a death there or... they just killed a person with a disability, if i understood you correctly, well, i also saw these shots and i immediately have a question: obviously this is a person, well, she was registered with social services or local hospital, and it turns out that she was not taken out? well, as far as we know, she lived at home with her husband, who is able-bodied, and at the moment, based on this story , i cannot comment on whether they refused to evacuate, or it was no longer possible... to physically reach them, i will not comment , but the fact really was. anastasia, i have another question for you, and what do you know about your father and the people who were moved with him

to russia, do you know this story in principle? this story is not unknown to me at all, i had absolutely no connection with them, i found out on the networks through telegram channels, through residents, people, well, people who had the opportunity in some way, perhaps, can... contact something, and a list just came to such a channel in our group, that such and such people were taken out , that is , look for them on the territory of the russian federation, that's why i started trying, and have you made any inquiries to ukrainian authorities, to organizations that may be engaged in searches, and is there such a possibility, is there? there are channels, telegram channels, where they offer to apply, currently, well, currently people have, there are such an opportunity to register that

such and such a person has disappeared, and i 've tried my best so far, yes, my father, my father got in touch, he got out, that's right, he's alive, he's safe, where exactly , where it is, i do not know. please tell me, and how do you explain the reluctance of your father or the people who went with him not to leave in advance, is this his personal reluctance or was there really no opportunity, i think that this is his personal decision, well, his , him, him they said, his relatives told him, let's go, let's leave, he says, it's us, it's my home. this is a place where everything is mine, it’s just, where should i go, i don’t have anything else but this, and well, it’s

just his choice, let’s put it this way, ugh, my father believed, believed in the re-occupation of vovchansk, he believed that, in order , so that it doesn't happen, they, they, how do they manage everything so that it doesn't happen, they, i'm sorry, i didn't understand. they will understand that everything will be fine, that the past occupation, they somehow survived this one, they will also survive, these are people who are chained to their lands, they are very dependent on what they did, and it is also possible to understand them, i absolutely understand, anastasia, thank you very much, i have one last question for mr. yevhen ivanov, really, how do you, how do you convince people in... so that i also very often hear these arguments, that it is not clear where they will take us, it is not clear what the conditions will be there, and i understand when they said that in the first months,

maybe an invasion and when people had to leave for the first time, but how much in two years of full-scale war, this system of evacuation and informing people has changed, and conditionally speaking, what were the conclusions drawn already during the second evacuation, vovchansk, well, and other settlements that are nearby, well , first of all, in two... our system, it has become more perfect in view of the coordination of the actions of volunteers, the state emergency service, the national police and of the local authorities, it has gained a larger scale, of course, very large forces are involved in the evacuation process in terms of the psychology of people who want or do not want to evacuate, but unfortunately, unfortunately, the best such, respectively , the factor in which they change their minds , this is actually the beginning of hostilities, or real co... real destruction and real destruction of the conditions where they live, this, unfortunately, already forces one to move, everything else is a rather delicate work, including

psychologists, volunteers and... and really we we understand that it is very stressful for people to leave their home and go nowhere without understanding the actual conditions in which they will live, but we tried to prevent this, they are leaving with understanding now, in fact, well, look , when there is a shelling of a city, for example, vovchanska and we need to quickly evacuate under bullets, we we have dead volunteers, we have... dead policemen, this process must be fast, then it takes a long time for an algorithm to tell a person what will happen to him, where he will be taken, where he will live, of course no one will be there, that is, it is necessary, there is such moments when it is necessary to quickly gather and quickly evacuate, even taking into account the pauses between shelling, in fact there was such a thing, of course, that all our people, they go through the center, in fact such a selection center in kharkiv, which we

have globally. the center that works, including with un organizations, with volunteers, where idp certificates are already drawn up for people accordingly, payments are provided, including uoniv humanitarian aid, from there the work with people is already going on, whether they need resettlement or not, if they need it, we resettle them, i should note that the larger number, the majority of people , more than 90%, they want to stay in the city of kharkiv, not even in the region, we have a reserve of places for settlement in the region or... in other regions of ukraine, but all people, he noted, they stay and want to stay in the city of kharkiv, and all these people talk about what how as soon as hostilities end or the territory is de-occupied, they want to go back home immediately. thank you very much, yevhen ivanov, deputy chief of the kharkiv regional military administration, who stated that there is no reason to evacuate all of kharkiv and anastasia, i wish you to meet my father as soon as possible. thank you very much. the lack of permission from

nato countries to use high-precision weapons on the territory of russia is one of the reasons why russia went on the offensive in the kharkiv region. so, at least that's what a number of military and security experts think, but we also just heard this point of view from a representative of the local government of kharkiv oblast. in fact, russia was able to deploy its troops close to the ukrainian border without hindrance. this is unacceptable, ukrainian military personnel serving in the kharkiv region also say. according to them... permission for such strikes would strengthen ukraine's position. listen to these arguments. so that the partners do not want us to fire on the territory of the aggressor, well, in my opinion, this, this is not at all, well, unacceptable, russian, unpleasant for me personally, because we did not come to their territory, they came to ours, and understanding that the rszzo and... cannons,

howitzers, shoot from abroad, and without shooting at the territory of the russian federation, we will not be able there is no way to offend them, it will only be infantry work, this is how we are already approaching the border of our borders, they are hitting us from their side, and we will stand quietly on the sidelines and remain silent. well, it doesn't happen like that, they went to war against us, not us against them. plus charge, 569, 569, 303, sight 569,

569, 30. 3 303 i check the knees and ears rotstriel, at the moment we have been observing for about a week that russian attacks are increasing, they are asking to climb into our territory in larger and larger parties. there is also a greater launch of drones from the air, in our direction, the russians do not, well, in my opinion, do not have enough strength to advance, because we are here in this direction, we are the leaders, plus charge the report, yes, check.