they are in it like this, but they think that everyone else is, well, this is a huge problem that exists now in the perception of reality by these people, and we have to tell you that this is so real, obviously the middle ages, the witnesses of the middle ages, which, which which we all are, and you and i are in this middle age, because the russians want to drag us there, there is no international law, there is no law, there is only what putin wants, and there is absolute indifference to human life, every someone else's territory can be declared its own, it can be destroyed the territory is absolutely calm and cold-blooded, it is probably difficult to understand this logic when you live in the 21st century. but the problem is

that they do not live in the 21st century, our russian neighbors, they do not see any sense in being there. here we are wondering what they are doing, that they are actually trying to depopulate the ukrainian region, why is this intimidating the residents of kharkiv, they want people to leave from there, from the east and south to the center, from the center to the west, from the west to europe we need an empty territory , why, and what happened? please take a look at demographic. map of the russian federation. most of the territories are uninhabited and never lived. well, someone says: "oh, it's cold there, the climate is there." well, i'm sorry, it's cold in many places. in norway, too, not the caribbean. but the problem is that they simply did not give the opportunity to develop to those people who lived there forever. they destroyed all the districts with large human settlements, destroyed the existing statehood. ot. all the logic that

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are together, we are more than a family, we, the nation that has united around you, continue the political club program, with you vitaly portnikovy, our guest roman bezsmertny, ukrainian politician, diplomat, former extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to good evening belarusians, do you understand why putin is so cold-bloodedly destroying kharkiv? mr. vitaly, we have all witnessed these days what is called performance in the political classification, and in it, in this cursed performance, the classics have such a concept, it is accompanied by real actions.

so, if you combine what happened in minsk, where lukashenko and putin were the actors of the performance, then in this... situation it was very clear that something similar to what happened in kharkiv would happen, because the combination these things establish, well, not just fear, but it testifies to the intentions, moreover, this combination of events in minsk and the tragedy in kharkiv is, as it were, absolute proof that the day before... we became participants in exercises using no, he said incorrectly, with an imitation of the use of non-strategic, that is, tactical nuclear weapons and possible probable offensive actions in the area of ​​sumy and

chernihiv regions, and so on, that is , this is what is described in the textbooks regarding the information-informational component psychological warfare and real events on the front line in the conditions of war, so from my point of view these are, as it were, completely understandable, connected things, and as for, say, a direct strike on kharkov, well, you understand perfectly well, and i perfectly understand that for the moscow führer, where to throw bombs, well, he has a very large choice. because he is not concerned with any moral positions and so on, this is a person with a broken psyche, for whom the goal is to eliminate the state and the people, and in this situation he will not stop before any

use of the tool, unless, let's say, the tool that is frightening to him, and that is why i did not accidentally touch on the topic of ... exercises with the simulation of the use of nuclear weapons, because more and more often, it is already not a performance, it's not blackmail anymore, it's just a demonstration of his own fear, and from here he compensates for it with the things we saw in the kharkiv tragedy. and tell me, mr. roman, do you understand the meaning of vladimir putin's visit to... what did he want to find there? well, that is you and i were asked the question that leonid kuchma acted as performance actors, how would we look at it, right? here we saw performance actors, let's say lukashenka and putin, here they also gave an instruction that in order

to add argumentation, let a board with inscriptions appear there, which indicates that here... here a legitimate one will also appear, well , yanukovych is there in gomal, that is, everything worked out here, and what were they doing there, well, who does not know what two old men of such an age are doing in minsk at such a time at night, well, they are busy there and so on, it's easy to say, let's put it this way, we can say that putin still did not abandon his attempts to somehow attract. belarus to more active participation in the war? well, there is nothing to attract there, because there are actually no weapons left, no ammunition left, and where there are several polonaise complexes, which were created there on the basis of joint projects of china and belarus, they

cannot cause any threat to ukraine, all the talk about tactical nuclear weapons , apart from talking to oneself, absolutely nothing. they don't have, that's why it all comes together in a single chain, to create an informational threat so that ukraine, reflecting on this, and not reacting, will further stretch its troops along the northern and eastern borders, well, as it seems to me, from the point of view of even achieving the goal, increasing tension ahead of certain political actions in a heap with the fact that that lukashenko is there on the second day... talk about the legitimacy of the ukrainian president, it just creates a picture for those who are scared for those who do not understand what the moscow führer and this bubbly dictator are playing at. and in principle, if we talk about all these conversations, about negotiations? well, mr. vitaly, it is not

for me to tell here, because starting from the fake news in reuters, somewhere... as many as five sources who wished to remain anonymous, and again mentions of tayyip recep erdogan's plans, right there, about some acts and agreements that were achieved back in february, march 2022, and the attack on kharkiv just shows the falsity of these things, i fully agree here with the conclusion, with the conclusion of the institute of world war, that this falsity is aimed at one thing, because it acts only on the partners of western ukraine for in order to aid was reduced, but i always did not understand

the principle of the totalitarian mechanism, coercion, force to act, when in a democratic society any coercion causes a back reaction, a reaction of resistance, but well , it is very difficult for us to understand psychologically dislocated people, especially those who live in the world, as she said... an angel merkel invented by themselves, this means, in principle, that putin will play this truce only there until the summit in switzerland, and then he will again return to the rhetoric of the continuation of the war. from my point of view, yes and negotiating theses, as well as nuclear and blackmail theses, they will have a wave-like character, will be removed from the agenda, will appear. to combine with the events and these meat attacks on the front, but to talk about

the fact that the moscow führer, under certain conditions , can sit down at the negotiating table, well, unless it is help to ukraine, the unification of the forces of europe, the united states of america will force him to go to such a step, when he has no other option left, although... you remember very well when he said the thesis: why do we need the world where we are not there, that's why there is an idiot idiot, how will he act in this situation, well, except as i said at the beginning, his level of fear will be such that he will be forced under the pressure of the course of facts of certain second and third fronts, the unification of all efforts will lead him nowhere, although i have little faith even in such a scenario from the outside. the moscow führer, and you think that putin generally has enough strength to continue such

a war for a long time, and i belong to those who do not think so, moreover, i do not think that the russian economy is capable of conducting a long-term war, because this thesis, which was born two weeks ago, that the replacement and appearance of bilousov is a fact of betting on a long-term war, i do not accept them, because it is not a fact of the appointment of bilousov, it is the expulsion of shoyug, or the appointment of patrushev as an assistant of the president of russia and that he is the secretary of the security council, well, it is approximately, if yermak was now sent as a guard to the president's secretariat, and here everyone would talk about the importance of this position, so i do not see any possibility in... the scheme of power and the scheme of the dictatorship, which is built in russia,

some kind of role, some kind of defining role of bilousov, so the thesis about longevity from my point of view, which is associated with bilousov, it is false, in this situation there are more imitation and performance things than realities, actually here the thesis is that these people live in a world that they invented for themselves, it very, very accurately reflects... the course of events is impressive, another thing that worries me more is the reflection of the west because this was born in the west, not in ukraine, and under the current conditions, it is only evidence that the pressure should be increased with absolutely all parties, and discipline in the implementation of sanctions, including the continuation of sanctions against china, iran, they are very important, but, as you can see, no one here will listen to us... then, as you think, when now we hear that the baltic countries

and poland, they are quite seriously, i would say, worried about the possible consequences of this cautious help from the west to ukraine, and even warn that if there is any strategic breakthrough in russia, then they will send their troops to the territory of -e of ukraine, as seriously as possible perceive? you can see, according to the relevance of current events and information about the course of events in ukraine, the current course of events on the belarusian-polish border. obscured, and there is no such thing every day that provocations do not happen on the border, that is, these provocations are perceived as a fact of high probability, i am not saying there statements about the possibility of an attack in the direction of dancing there and so on, that is, that is

all for the baltic states, especially ... and for poland is evidence of a high probability, especially since this is fueled by a whole series conclusions of analytical centers, diagrams, with pictures, there are statistics. add to this the fact that nato's decision to create an eastern wall, especially the eastern border, especially in the baltic states, has not been implemented, even half of it at the moment, and it is clear what this creates. very serious anxiety on the part of these states, their societies, and if we also add the fact that they emptied their arsenals by handing them over to ukraine, then it is obvious that there is something to think about, and this anxiety will grow in these countries, but to talk about , which is currently belarus can become such a platform - this is

to exaggerate the factor of the role of belarus in this situation, because there are no forces on... available, no ammunition, nor even any actions that would be planned, logistical for the serious strike forces of russia to appear there no, but definitely an information attack, it leads to colossal anxiety, especially in those countries that know what the soviet union is. what do you think, that's the first time in, i would say. in recent years, the president of ukraine met with journalists from the countries of central asia, kazakhstan, kyrgyzstan and uzbekistan. to what extent does this really affect the point, the public position, the point of view of the residents of these countries, is it possible to change, let's say, the position of the authorities of the central asian countries, by addressing

the citizens of these countries through the media. should i laugh immediately or start accordingly. to the point of the question, well, start answering, you can laugh, well, from my point of view, this is wasted time, because the situation in most of these countries in terms of the influence of society on the authorities is minimal, moreover, the role of these dictatorships is increasing, even in such a a country like kazakhstan, despite the fact that the president is a human being in his own right. which was brought up, let's say, in some democratic framework, but what is important here is that these countries are currently being worked on quite a lot by the british government, and there are certain advances in terms of the movement of these countries, especially in the part regarding the performance of

the role of this eye of the needle, through which a ... the führer of moscow is pulling a camel in the form of dual technologies there, let's say, components for weapons and so on, in this regard we need to work, if we talk about it the interview that was given to the horde and the journalists who were present there, it is certainly important for the part that is interested in... let's say, the sphere of politics that wants to know about it, but unfortunately, this part of society in these countries, states, it is very, very small, because, therefore, it is too early to talk about the serious influence of such factors, and in general , from my point of view, similar things should

be done, and a dialogue should be conducted, and i would advise in this regard... to use diplomatic missions more of ukraine, and which should constantly be, let 's say, a channel that would inform the societies of these states, but unfortunately, if we take practice, including the first persons of diplomatic missions, they very rarely appear on the air in these countries , appear in the media, appear among, let's say, modern electronic. mass media, and moreover, i can tell you that when i listened to the president in this interview, i kept wondering if he was weighing what part of the information. and some of the theses he speaks are hardly understood in principle by those to whom this interview is calculated. that is, the fact

is that these societies live by their tradition, their habits, their concepts, their content, and speaking, let's say, the anxieties of a ukrainian, they cannot be overcome, well, life has turned out so that i am still... at the beginning of maturity i happened to be in these countries, i understand the kazakh very well, i have seen him for a long time, and i am roughly aware of how much of his life he can give, well, in order to devote to international problems, you will object to me, you will say, well, it hardly applies to the general public people, and this applies only to specialists, but the fact is that if in ukraine a politician, the president, he is forced by force, let's say, the scheme that has developed, to somehow respond to the mood of society, then in the countries we are talking about, these are things

very rare, if they happen there periodically once or twice every few years, or even decades, well, this is not the case when they will somehow reflect, well , look, the president of kazakhstan, kasym zhomar takayev, recently visited yerevan, met with prime minister nikol pashinyan, we understand that... this is an act the truth, which is dictated by an understanding of the new situation that is now emerging in the post-soviet space, and before that the same takayev celebrated his 70th anniversary in the company of xi jinping, and there was a china, central asia summit, where, as we understand, russia was not invited , that is, they are also now making movements there that would have seemed unheard of in the recent past, you know, if, relatively speaking, nursultan nazarbayev knew that... some post-soviet politician there is out of favor with yeltsin or putin, he is then in life would not fly, you know, the other day i watched the materials of the meeting of the president

of kyrgyzstan with representatives of the security agencies of the cis countries, read his speeches, then inquired about the speeches of these gray-haired grandfathers about what they said there, and it all smelled so moldy. solka, from my point of view yes, ah, yes, if you take, well, in particular the president of kazakhstan, he is capable of a certain step, i did not accidentally name him as one of those who are capable of such things, but one must understand the dependence kazakhstan and all these countries from russia, if i, for example, touched there are issues of hydrocarbons and from the whole sphere, let's say, which is connected with oil, with gas, then neither such, nor its environment, nor the entire sector, nor the government, they cannot take a step in

order not to ask in moscow, how should they act, today pashinyan is put in a situation where he has nowhere to go, he has only one guide left in the world, this is paris, and the way they treated him from moscow, they do not treat him even with enemies, in which he found himself, therefore, understanding, let's say, the role of all participants in this process, these actors of international relations, we can say that central asia and the caucasus are currently such a piece that is being played out in the interests of the big geopolitical and continental players, what can come out of this, well, as we see georgia today... russia. armenia is currently trading on the stock market. what will be the final ? this is still a big question. and azerbaijan has already made up its mind, it has a blind

guide, this is turkey. and it is also necessary to understand here that there is a big question mark in azerbaijan, because it is unlikely that erdogan is capable of leading azerbaijan in any way, at least not darkened, non-dead-end road. well. and what concerns the five central asian states, they should solve their problems, which smack of feudal-level problems, and not modern ones, so you have such, let's say, overdrinking, with which you have to get along somehow, and even in in the central asian states, those who gave hope, well, in particular, as the president of kyrgyzstan, they turned into ordinary peasants. regimes that they have mastered in these states, but on the other hand, you see, they solve the issue that the ukrainian elite has been dreaming of solving for years, they have established special relations with china, as a guarantor of

their sovereignty. as for china, yes, temporarily they decided something, but conditionally speaking, let's ask the president of kazakhstan or the president of uzbekistan, who know that there are uzbeks, kazakhs, tajiks in concentration camps together with uighurs, i already i'm not talking about the situation with tajiks and uzbeks from afghanistan. state and so on, and they are generally aware of the problem when they go to the fact that they are fooling around with the sizdenpinem, and when that among the 40 million who are in concentration camps in china, hundreds of thousands of the same kazakhs, uzbeks and so on, what is the price of all this and how will their own citizens look at them, which concerns, as you

understand, all the projects, about which... it was said before that, and there is one belt, one road, then they have already come to the seams, yes, at the moment, china has really invested somewhere around 300 billion funds in these countries, but these roads, these communications, they are going nowhere did not lead the situation, they simply stalled, as a result the fact that russia's aggression against ukraine has begun, a deadlock has ensued, and now these countries are in debt. with the gold and foreign exchange reserves captured by china, because these resources were allocated only when virtually all the capitals stored in the national banks of these countries were transferred to china bank, and how should they be in this situation now, there are huge problems, is there a way the solution, yes, is to bet on the civilized world, but does

the civilized world accept this challenge and this pass, well, let's see the results of lord david cameron's visit, of the british foreign minister to this region, so far it is absolutely fruitless, except that the situation has been scanned, they have agreed to negotiate and nothing else, however, and iran, and the threat from the south of militants from and the taliban from afghanistan, it is growing, i no longer i say all that is related there. with the so-called kharosan state, which hangs over these states and simply uses them in its terrorist actions. tell me, please, but when the president addresses the world leaders in his address, just together with me to the president of the united states and to the president of the people's republic of china, in fact, as equal world leaders and calls on them to come to switzerland. is this the right approach? well, with

point of view, i would not advise you to do it, and through whom to put the president of the united states of america with the president of brazil there and others , you cannot do this, but as you understand , i am far from the way you should listen to me in the company of the president, what and how to him says it seems to me that this is not the case, i am convinced that it is impossible to do so it seems to me that... this is now such a picture of the world, in which the united states and china are on equal footing and have equal opportunities to influence moscow. china may even have more opportunities. that is, in our heads, in the minds of many representatives of the ukrainian political elite, including those people who are in power, you are absolutely right, but not in my head, not in yours, yes, but in the minds of many people, so be it, they have this picture of the bipolar world, i don't really understand what to do with it, they believe in it, you know, well, if they believe,

so who is he? to blame for this, we will not change them, they continue to believe in this world that is built in their heads, well, it will end, at least it is bad for them personally, because following this path, it is impossible to solve the problem, because the influence is actually has a reverse character, and when they tell me that peking influences the fuhrer of moscow, i simply do not understand, well, obviously. that history was not taught, the textbooks in the school were smoked, the institutes skipped history lectures, or maybe the teachers were those who did not convey what was necessary report, well, that's it again, it's not our problem. tell me, in principle, if we are talking about these diplomatic efforts that kyiv and moscow are currently making, kyiv, regarding the peace summit in switzerland, moscow, regarding the meeting of ministers.