if someone in america would constantly focus on this, it would be much easier for us, because people, they are not indifferent, they are just busy with a thousand other things that are happening in the world at the same time. in principle, what do we have to do to maintain this interest, primarily in the united states, but also in european areas, because what you say, empathy is understandable, but the level of interest is also very important, we see it in the columns of the world media, the middle east. in the center of events for 200 days in a row, and that's it a strategic region for the united states, and it is clear, and it is clear, ukraine, this is not the only part of the world where tragedy is happening, where people are suffering, that is, there is a lot happening in syria, which has also appeared in the world press, in sudan , in iran, well, that is, there are various points that needed respect, and our question is how, despite this change of attention... still to secure our

interests, because it is difficult to fight such a powerful military force as russia without international help, and if the west tells us that you fight not only for yourself, well, accordingly, i wanted it to be always confirmed not just by words, but by concrete actions. therefore , i have a simplified answer to your difficult question, it seems to me that if russia is moving into the stage of a long, exhausting from... then we need to move to a long-term strategy, we need to build communities in these countries, and this is what we have to start, we have 7.5 or i don't know how many millions of ukrainian refugees now, we have a super active diaspora that became active after the 22nd year, we have caring artistic circles, right-wing circles, we need to grow these communities so that's not the point. ukrainians or

people of ukrainian origin, and constantly involve these people in some actions, that is, we need to start work on building such an international network, if russia builds on money, on propaganda, on some corrupt connections or on political influence, then we it must be built on values ​​and on such very basic things as human solidarity and... empathy and a sense of personal responsibility for everything that happens in the world. so after this story with termination consular services to conscripted men, will there be cracks in the diaspora itself? it is obvious that they will go. it seems to me that, in general, this question of mobilization is very complicated, and different parts of ukrainian society have different interests in this regard, and here the ukrainian state, to me, looks... from the side, it takes

mutually contradictory steps, on the one hand, it as if this bill emasculates, not to and not and these norms, which were demanded by the part of society that is fighting against this law , disappear, on the other hand, it is completely different a signal that we will now take care of those ukrainians who are abroad, well , maybe this is not a struggle for mobilization for justice, it is simply a different, different, different struggle , well, it... in any case, it should have some real mechanisms implementation, and this is how it looks, that these are different mutually contradictory signals, and it is difficult for me to understand what our state policy is in relation to mobilization. again, i'm not a military expert, i can only look at this from a human rights perspective, but back to your question, i think that in spite of all this, the vast majority of people abroad understand that this is a war for survival, and ... feel their responsibility to ensure

that their country survives, even while they are safe abroad, they do something, i meet such people in every state who tell me how many charity actions they have done, how they have carried something themselves, how they carry out some kind of informational work, there should be more of these people, not fewer, which means that they should conduct campaigns on involvement other people to this work, and not only to rely solely on one's... strength, we have already used the word survival several times in our conversation, and here is an important point that we had the impression, at least after the maidan of 2013-14, that from this civilization of survival, which was on the territory of ukraine, we can say, the entire 20th, 20th, 20th century, we are moving to such values ​​of the civilized world, which there require a completely different attitude to human life. to solidarity, to

mutual understanding, to respect for the state and to the state's respect for a person, and now we have again, logically, after the beginning of this great war , moved to the value of survival, to what extent is it... determined in general by human rights and in the perspective of the general perception of human rights by the citizens themselves as a value? it affects a lot, because war is poison, war is poison not only for ukrainian society, for any society, in my time, while studying at stanford university, i specifically took a course on wars and on international settlement, for that , to understand these patterns and be ready for what awaits us, how? during the war, and after the war ends, no matter how it ends, and it is quite difficult to maintain this framework of freedom and democracy, human rights, when

survival instincts come to the fore, and this is understandable, it is not some fault, it's just a context in which a responsible person has to rely even more... on self-reflection, and just every day, making a thousand decisions, to remember what we're fighting for, it's difficult, but what gives me optimism is that when you open any research for all these years, regarding ukrainians and values, in the hierarchy of values, ukrainians always put freedom in the first place, the perception of freedom, does it generally involve obligations? right here it is important to understand freedom as a tool for building a civilized country or freedom as an element for an anarchic perception of oneself and the state and oneself in the state, this is a very correct question because you know freedom and will are obviously different categories, just

like someone told me that we were all on maidan, but everyone stood on the maidan for their own, well, that is, for their idea, and this is the truth, this is what the truth needs. an even deeper study, because if for me freedom is the opportunity to take responsibility for my actions, that is, for me, responsibility and freedom are equivalent concepts, that is, i do not transfer responsibility for my life to someone else, i myself am able, in i have the freedom to take responsibility for this, then for someone, freedom, me, for example, is often used to explain the problems that occur in western society already, i say, this is an opportunity for you... to choose between different cheeses in the supermarket, this is freedom, freedom of choice, i just went to the supermarket, chose different cheeses, here i am a free person, i have to choose cheeses for myself, and this is how i see it, well this is how freedom was perceived in soviet society, there were not several types of cheese, and those who had access to products were considered free, obviously, and now western societies, which

absolutely do not know what it is to not have a choice of cheese, see freedom, this is how it is demand to the state to ensure. their comfort zone, and therefore it is so difficult to explain now, i am again making a link with our situation, that if ukraine does not stop russia, then russia will go further, and they will be forced to leave their comfort zone, and all this help that we receive, and for which we usually grateful because nothing is guaranteed in the world, no one is obliged to provide this help, but it is not just help, it is an investment. in their own safety, well, here it is still important for us to understand how to prevent the degradation of this understanding of freedom in society, because you know, i am very i well remember russian society there in the 90s, and by and large, at least in the big cities that were the centers of the country, such as moscow or st. petersburg, the level

of this freedom and responsibility for many people was much higher than in ukrainian society, we saw hundreds of thousands of rallies there in defense of lithuania there, or people even went to demonstrations against the war in chechnya, and there was a huge number of people who voted for liberal political forces, it was not the majority, maybe , but they were millions of people all over the country, and now these people are simply gone, we even now see from sociological polls there that the majority of russians would generally like the country to be communist, their number is growing every year, sympathy for stalin is growing every year . that is, from the society that i observed, as a society that seems to gravitate towards freedom, only memories remained, it is possible to write memoirs, but also the poor rights defenders, by the way, now remember, who in fact put their whole lives to ensure that this society was the way they

dreamed about it, they made compromises with the authorities, remember how lyudmila aleksieva, nothing came of it, just nothing at all, this is a very important moment for me, how can we prevent it? do we have such opportunities? i don't have a simple answer, but i will try to tell my vision: this is how society can really become rigid very quickly, because what i see and observe. to russian society, this is rapid barbarization, then this whole thin layer of culture in the form of dostoevsky's ballet and so on, it, it's just overlaps with these patterns of behavior that we see on the ukrainian territory, which were forcibly brought here by the russian military, if for someone russian culture is conventional tchaikovsky, at least with its ukrainian roots, then for me it is budcha, this is russian culture, this is what we we see there. these dead bodies of people who were lying on the streets with their hands often tied behind their backs until the moment

of their release, this is russian culture for me, just like german culture during the second world war was auschwitz and babeniar, absolutely, and here there is a difference between german and russian culture, but your question was not about that, so i will answer it first: the responsibility lies with people who understand the threat on the ukrainian intelligentsia, on the ukrainian civil society. society, because the minority determines the vector in which the country will move and develop, and therefore it is important that this minority is organized, that it articulates its messages and that it speaks in different languages ​​about the same thing, even during a genocidal war on destruction, we must remember that we are fighting to remain a free society, and that challenge is twofold, and that this war did not begin in february... of the year the world thinks, in february 14th, when we in for the first time we got a chance

to build such a free society, well , the attitude of the state and society towards this particular person is also very important, you see, something that we have not seen by and large very often, even since 200 there in 14, when it came to forced migrants, even not only from the state, but also from the society, do you remember those suspicious views on... people who were forced to leave crimea and donbass because they did not want to live under occupation. well, we as a society need to grow up rapidly, and for me one of the signs of growing up is self-reflection. it's when you don't just feel your emotions and think you have the right to do whatever you want because you're hurt, angry, or whatever. and when you try to rationalize them, like an adult, and yes, you have the right to all emotions. but despite all these emotions that we all feel during war, you have to make balanced decisions that

have a positive effect not only in the short term, but in the long term. i never mention it in the international arena, but i always remind it at meetings with the ukrainian audience. the war in syria started a long time ago, and the ukrainians, they weren't like that either... that they fell asleep thinking about the poor syrians and woke up thinking about the poor syrians, that's me before, when we talk about the world's indifference, we have to remember ourselves , and i also mention it, since i am involved in human rights protection with in 2007, about a huge scandal, when ukraine was simply discussing the issue of building some kind of shelter for syrian bishenians, and ukrainians, well, people in this area said: no, no, no, we don't want anyone, and i'm not... surprised that some of these people may also have become refugees and received a warm shelter in other countries, which we

once denied to the same people who fled from the war. therefore, self-reflection is a very important ability of adult society. well , you understand, to be honest, not every person is capable of self-reflection, there is a lot here depends on public policy, frankly, again, and on the media, because asking every person to occupy. self-reflection or in a period of, you know, survival, when you need to solve a million problems at once, when money is getting less, and children need to be fed to school, drive a man who is in the army, collect help for this man himself to fight or work, it is also difficult to feed family in a changing economic environment, it is again about survival, yes, so we will not be able to tell everyone, you have, you know, reflect and understand the situation, it depends on the extent to which states and society are able to respond to the challenge, you know, i just don't

demand, i remind, and i speak and you always act, based on the fact that i do not transfer my responsibility to the state, i'm not a public servant, i'm not a politician, and i have great respect for the work of journalists, i understand the role of the media in a free society, but i also know that people have a lot of power, and i'm a beast. i reach out to people with a reminder that it needs to be done and who is capable of it, even in the conditions of those that developed when, when the truth is that society is sick, when society... is tired, when we go to bed and do not know what awaits us in the morning, and the first thing we do is check, and what happened during the night, because even if your city in kyiv is not shelled, yes, this does not mean that other cities were not affected that night, even in such conditions, i remind you that we have before

ourselves, not before someone, but before ourselves, that is such a moral thing, i would say , reflex duty. this situation, as much as it seems possible to us, well, people always perceive also the protection of human rights and answers responsibility for crimes against humanity, as a kind of effective tool, do you remember the one that was in ukraine, one might say, even joy, when a warrant was issued for the arrest of vladimir putin. this is important, i can explain, it is important not only from a legal point of view, in the long-term perspective, if... putin lives, yes, he will face the hague in the sense that authoritarian regimes fall and their leaders, who considered themselves untouchable, are on trial, we have, not all, but not all, but we have examples, we have examples of milosevic, whom serbia did not want to transfer to the hague, but serbia was forced, that is, we do not know what the future will be, but

with this warrant we are trying to construct the version of the future that we need, but even in the short term, it is... super important, and it is not even a matter of fact here consequences, and other consequences weigh. i travel a lot now to different countries of the world, i meet with presidents, with members of the government, with parliamentarians, journalists, there with different audiences, and i know, and everyone in ukraine knows, that there are politicians, even in the western the world and not only orban, who would like to return to the so-called business as usual with russia, and here is this legal decision, this order. for arrest, he puts up a barrier for them, because maybe orban can shake putin's hand in beijing, but already a person who declares his commitment to democracy and whose voters follow this, well, he already understands that if he shakes the hand of the biggest child abductor in the world, well, he will get rid of his

career in this society, that is, there are still such short-term consequences that for us super important, but tell me... hate for putin is absolutely understandable, but in principle, society somehow lives in this category of hatred during the war, there is no other way, you yourself mentioned about buja, what are the emotions of people excites, it excites hatred towards those who did this to the country, towards the citizens of this country who are able to ignore it, and how to get out of this hatred is also an important thing, do you remember how during the second world war there was the famous article... ilya of orenburg will kill a german, ugh, and at the end of the war even the soviet leadership forced to try to move away from this article and then it was never republished, i read this article in the orenburg collection published in 1942, after 1945 it was impossible to see it anywhere.

it seems to me that when you are on the battlefield, this thinking is... biphasic, that is, which is very much has only two colors, black and white, it is necessary, because you are trying to survive, because on the battlefield, if you do not quickly understand where your enemy, well, they will just kill you, so when you see that a russian soldier is coming at you, you don't, you don't have the luxury of thinking, maybe he 's fooled by russian propaganda, or maybe he has three kids, or maybe he's a beautiful person and an outstanding musician, well, if you think like that, he'll kill you, because... transfer to the rear, because hatred is a very complex feeling, like an emotion that needs an outlet, you ask me what to do with it, well , i am not a psychologist, it is difficult for me

to answer this professionally, i know only two things, the first is that the same headman'. did roman shukhevich say that we are not fighting because we hate those in front of us, but because we love those, that we fight not because we hate those in front of us, but because we love those behind us, and secondly, that i already see how this hatred in the rear, how people who cannot reach the russians, they are not on the battlefield, they begin to pour out on those whom they can reach, that is, on themselves, and i already see, this hatred, which is cultivated, it fragments ukrainian society, and it seems to me that we are in the rear, if we are not already in the trenches, we must somehow be gentler to each other. because everyone is sick, everyone is tired, you don't see how the war was fought with a person, and how your word can hit that person, instead, we watch

in social networks, well, not just a parade of these aggressive comments, but very dangerous trends that can tear apart the social organism, and this, when you look, sometimes, as they are attacked, the last case was this... the paramedic kateryna na pseudo-bird, who survived in azovstal, went through captivity, and then they began to reproach her there for the fact that she she doesn't look like what people wanted her to look like, she wrote a post that she was criticized for her weight, and you just think, god, we don't need putin, what are you doing, get off her, right now it's very important to understand, how basically this is public, i would say, disappointment, just disappointment in a long war, people just did not expect it to be so long, they

are somehow disappointed that they have to live with a long war, even if they understand the inevitability of this , as it will be reflected in the post-war part, you on at the beginning of the war, they said that for you victory is not just the restoration of territorial integrity, but also... the completion of the democratic transformation of the state, but now there is such an uncomfortable question, whether it will be possible to do all this, to complete the democratic transformation, to create a real society of united people in the conditions, if we do not manage to restore this territorial integrity for a long time, then we will be forced to do it in the conditions that exist, because we cannot predict the future, but the future is also not written by anyone forward, it means that our generation has to do everything. it depends and carry out these democratic transformations so that the next generations, if we do not manage to restore the territorial integrity of the borders of 91,

it will be easier to do it, we have to look and play in the long term, build long strategies, and what the war does, it narrows this horizon , because we can't plan the next months, we can't plan the weeks, we can't plan for today, we don't understand what will happen and when, and this ambition is for the long term strategy... it's also a resistance, because we say that no matter what, we know that one day we will restore it, one day we will return to these borders, and now we are taking certain intermediate steps, i will give an example so that it does not sound abstractly, i am a student of ukrainian dissidents, yevhen sverstyuk played a lot of my personal roles in fate, he is a philosopher, writer, prisoner of soviet political camps, i read a lot of memoirs of ukrainian, russian, dissidents and thought about this issue, because from the point of view of a short-term perspective , well, they looked like those lost because the movement was crushed,

some people were killed, some people ended up in the soviet gulag, there was no mass support, there was no mass support, destinies were destroyed, families were divided, that is, from a short-term perspective, they lost, but now we are in 2024 we know that we regained our independence in the 90s only because in the 60s this group of people fought, so this is laying a long strategy and sowing seeds that will germinate, well , this is super important, but what does to be in the first place, effective state or effectively society in such a situation, or is it not necessary to distinguish? i think that an effective society is interested in an effective state, but we cannot pay. three times, yes, we can’t, but now a lot of things in the army are still covered by volunteer things, we have grown powerful volunteer funds, they are already

buying such weapons, well, they started with mattresses in the 14th year, yes, with some socks, and now they are already buying some unreal, heavy, heavy machinery, although in reality it should be done by an efficient state for our taxes, obviously, so why am i there? i know that paying three times is not unreasonable, we are doing it temporarily now, an efficient society is very interested in the state becoming efficient, so that we start paying once, but already, you know, to be exactly on target. thank you, ms. oleksandra, our interlocutor was human rights activist oleksandra matviychuk. thank you to everyone who was with us on this broadcast, which vitaly portnikov conducted for you. i wish you all the best, friends, thunder and peace. what

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