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the deputy, but the secretary, the secretary, well, even better, we understand that the secretary also performs extremely important functions, please tell me, first of all, whether the first meeting has already taken place, and if it took place, what was it dedicated to and in general, when should we expect the first, so to speak, real hard results regarding what happened in kharkiv oblast, well, congratulations to everyone, well, to be honest, today was already, one might say, the third meeting, because the first was generally just an introduction, we all got to know each other, at the second we already chose the secretary, as whom i was chosen, respectively, and discussed the format of our work, that is, how many times a month we will meet, there were proposals twice, at least two times a month my proposal was

to get together at least for the first month every week, because there is a lot of work and there are many questions to which the authorities must give answers, we agreed to this, and in fact today there was a continuation of the meeting, where we delegated to sign precisely the appeal, the invitation to the head of the tsk, mr. mykola, and discussed the format of the appeals, which he should send, then who should come to the first such already for and if the meeting is already secret without cameras, that is, in a secret room, accordingly, because there will be a lot of information under the seal of secrecy. mr. mykhailo, information has appeared from your colleague, the people's deputy from of yaroslav zheleznyak's voice faction, information that one of the members of the tsc was expelled from it. can you share with us

exactly how this happened and who made the decision to include two representatives of the already banned opzh in this commission, one of them was expelled, but the second, as we understand it, continues to be in this tsk, well and in fact, who will replace vitaliy borta in this tsc, indeed, when the tsc is formed, which includes 15 people. it turned out to be two men from the former opz, the decision that was taken was probably equal the chairman of the verkhovna rada, the leadership of the verkhovna rada, because i do not think that european solidarity proposed such a format, because the resolutions registered by us in the parliament are about the general exclusion of former regionalists, ex-regimes from the walls of this parliament, in order to

take away their mandates in order to they did not go not only to tscs of various kinds, but also to not be present at various commissions, conciliation council meetings, for example, where the government reports on some of the most secret summaries, so that they did not go to committees, where also it is often discussed in connection with martial law, unfortunately, this resolution is not brought to the hall and... in fact, on the 24th, motovylovets registered an institution, which, by the way, still needs to be voted on, and will be replaced, will be replaced, exactly bort vitalia and, this, elizaveta bogutska from the servants of the people, right? yes, yes, yes, yes, this resolution still needs to be voted on, that is, two, two, two different people, according to this resolution, if it is voted for, they will go in, one of them is

a smart one, uh, thank you, extremely interesting, look, and burmich, he will remain, yes, for now, yes, but we will also raise the issue to... amend this resolution, since they have taken such a step, it means that somewhere there is an understanding that secret information does not have the right to be made public in front of those russian scumbags, so i think that we will definitely raise issues, including burmich, to remove from this commission. look, mr. mykhailo, the question is not related to the work of tsk, but it is related to kharkiv and the 25th brigade, you are a military man, you were under debaltsev at one time, so we understand what's going on extremely delicate, that is, the sbi has already begun to investigate the circumstances that led to the situation in kharkiv region, and in particular, they are investigating the actions of our military,

in particular the 125th brigade, although perhaps not only them, we understand how such things can be perceived in the military, that is, maybe it's too early, maybe it's just in time, what... not to repeat certain things, your vision, as a person who, for example, was near debaltsevo? i will tell you that there are three lines of defense, if we consider that the first line of defense is engineering the troops set up, because it is often very close to shelling, they can often fly there, and the military, for example, set up the first, then the second, third line - this is the line... which, for example, the military-civilian administration deals with, that is, already there civilians are involved, and the funds that were allocated by the cabinet of ministers were ordered by the military-civilian administrations, not the military, that is , they were the customers, and here it is precisely necessary

to understand in what way they, having received the funds, ordered these works, what quality are these works, were they even started there, completed? has no one started anything at all, we need to figure it out, and the military on the front line, believe me, dig a trench, for example, a personal one there or buy a bemshka, bemdeshka, they will do it all the time, what concerns the powers of your tsk, so that it will be possible to do what it will not be possible to do, where it will be necessary to attract this or that reinforcement, for example, in the form of the prosecutor general's office, the sbi, nabu, etc., then , well, we understand that some representatives of local authorities may not be delighted in kharkiv region, maybe not only in kharkiv region, yes, well, to share some information, well , i will tell you that

there is so much resonance in society right now, and the construction of fortifications and the purchase of unmanned aerial vehicles, that i do not think that any official will want to spin yuliti somewhere , so that... not to give any answer or something else, because he will understand that tomorrow literally all this will be raised in the mass media, that so-and-so, so-and-so does not give, for example, information, hides it, then because, for example, there is abuse, because i don't think they will be able to hide it, but if this happens, we will really use all possible, as they say, law enforcement agencies, from the prosecutor's office to de... nabu and so on and so forth , that is , everyone who will have any opportunity to help us in the plan to bring this or that person to justice, we will insist on this. mr. mykhailo, returning to the topic of criminal

proceedings opened by the state bureau of investigation, it is actually about fortifications, but there are two more criminal proceedings under previous qualifications regarding arbitrary abandonment. on the battlefield and careless attitude to military service. on the other hand, there is also a parallel track, this is the appointment of yuriy sodul to the position of head of usuf khortets, and there are also very mixed reviews about him. in particular , from a rather ambiguous person, such as maryana bezugla, who in fact accuses sodul of being a criminal, this is a direct quote from him, well, actually, she rolls the barrel and on the entire generalship, on syrskyi, in particular, how do you explain to yourself this unprecedented attack on our military command and the parallel opening of the dbi proceedings, do you not think, perhaps, or do you not allow the opinion that these dbi proceedings may have a certain political undertone ? i'll tell you this, this

person, i don't even want to give her last name and name , she shouldn't do anything herself, she's a mouthpiece of the bank. from the direction of the ermak, a person clears the field purely for himself, a person wants to have a monopoly of power, and this person does all this with parliament and with his mouth... just voicing all that the president's office accuses her of, namely yermak, that's all, yes, it's all political, completely, starting from the wagnerites, ending with the current situation at the front, it's all completely political, a person clears a platform for such one-man management, all those who had access to zelensky are all cleared. thank you, mykhailo bondar, people's deputy of ukraine, secretary of the commission. e tsk on the issue of the use of budget funds for the construction of fortifications and the manufacture of drones was on our air,

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the sbi reports. so, today, may 28 , employees of the sbi detained the ex-head of the odesa regional ... tsk and jv borysovo after they paid a bail in the amount of 12 million hryvnias. it is noted that the state bureau of investigation received information that after the release, after paying the fee, borisov planned to leave the pre-trial detention center and hide from the investigation, for example, by going abroad. well and he was detained and announced a new suspicion regarding the organization of legalization of property obtained by criminals. in a particularly large way, well, as they say, let's wait and see, in a couple of minutes olena shcherban, deputy executive director, head of the legal department of the central committee of the communist party of ukraine, the anti-corruption center, will join us, and we will wait for her now. yes, well , we continue to inform you about the important events of today, there are many of them, so if

we are talking about our power system, then there are certain messages from. ukrenergo is there announced which month of the summer may be the most difficult for the power system and predict that this month may be july, says the head of the balance reliability department of the ukrenergo transmission system operator, roman grabchak, and says that the operator does not publish specific estimates regarding the state of the power system in this season due to wartime, although it is transferred to the ministry of energy. at the same time , he assumed that in the summer the deficit in the energy system will cause a seasonal increase. consumption, and explained that in the summer season , the capacity of hydrogeneration, which is the main one, falls a source of energy flexibility and available power reserves, it will also increase electricity shortages. this is the information about our power system, today, by the way, according to the order of ukrenergo , there are no limits, that is, it is predicted at the moment that today there will be no scheduled shutdowns, yes,

but we understand that the situation is dynamic, it can change depending on the amount of consumption. from... suitable conditions, so be sure to follow the official pages of ukrenergo and do not engage in various types of not very, let's say, good reputation anonymous telegram channels that can inflate this topic and produce all kinds of fakes on this topic, so we ask you to use only official sources of information in this aspect, that is, ukrenergo or oblenergo of your region. okay, now we're talking about corruption. olena shcherban, deputy executive director, head of the legal department. of the center against the actions of corruption, glory to ukraine, mrs. elena, we congratulate you, glory to the heroes, have a good day, well, there was such a swallow, so gizou head, first deputy of nabu, yes, the figure is quite serious, we understand that the figure was quite independent and so on, but now he has been removed

due to a possible conflict of interests and so on and so on, how does the central committee evaluate this whole matter? in fact, it must be said that there is quite a bit of public information now, but what is publicly known? it became publicly known that the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, involving the national police officers , conducted a search, including at the detectives of the national anti-corruption bureau, actually at the home of one detective, this detective there was even a name... made public, in fact, searches were also carried out on the head of the former brovyr rda and a businessman, former adviser, former deputy head of the president's office kyril tymoshen, tymoshenko, mr. birkadze, and actually, at first

information about these searches was received, after which the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office reported that... searches were indeed carried out and that a pre-trial investigation into the leaks of information is being carried out, the media in turn reported that the leaks of information are related to nabu's investigation into the case of the so-called large-scale construction and schemes that nabu investigated in this program of president zelenskyi himself, and allegedly such leaks took place for the benefit of one of the participants in this case from... in particular, mr. golik, he is well-known in zma and actually among journalists, who have deeply investigated this topic, as a person who was such an unspoken curator, actually, of some... actually of schemes and money flows related to big construction, so that's why there are really a lot of questions here, i have to say that

at first i got the impression, and maybe it actually is, that there is a certain conflict, since nabu was outraged by the fact that representatives of another law enforcement agency were involved in these searches, but i also want to say that there may be... a certain logic, although because sap said that additional resources were needed that naboo didn't have, knowing and monitoring naboo's system operation, i also know that if you're talking about the internal control office that's supposed to investigate bureau employees, there's actually really little resources there actually detectives, who should directly investigate cases and carry out pre-trial investigations, there are only three of them, that's why. but there might not have been enough resources for searches, but again , the issue here is also that a lot has already been said about the fact that,

as you already said, the head, the first deputy director, may be involved in these leaks, and here it must be understood , that if the branch is really involved, then sap really could have doubts about how objective and how impartially they will be able to carry out, including internal the naboo control department, actually such investigative actions, but again, the details are not known yet, but i am sure that this situation, if the facts of the leaks really come out and it is confirmed, which side they actually came from, and if it is really the first deputy, then this is, of course, a huge problem, which will mean only one thing, that this person should be... not just removed from the exercise of authority, as happened now, it should be immediate dismissal, and a further objective investigation of this case, why, why that the head is a person

who now, after the latest reorganization in the bureau , actually manages all the detectives and manages, actually indicates which detectives have what to investigate, what the priorities are, knows about all investigative activities, about naboo's plans, and of course, if there are leaks from this person, then. .. this is a huge problem, it is actually a serious stain on nabu, and how nabu will deal with this situation now, whether he will be able to fight and reveal his own, so to speak, twists inside and will be an indicator of whether the bureau is actually able to continue to be, because well in society, many people considered nabu and still many consider it to be one of the best law enforcement agencies. who still brought his cases to completion, sent them to court, sent them, actually, and they , well, not many of these cases were buried somewhere at the investigation stage, as it was

once, but again, this situation can become now or a chance to clean up the nabu and prevent such situations in the future, or in fact it may turn into something that will drag the bureau into the swamp to other law enforcement agencies, from which it will actually be very difficult... further untangling, ms. elena, we would also like to ask you about the case with roman nasirov, for our viewers, i will remind you, the checkered blanket, which became a meme, in fact, he is the former head of the state fiscal service, who is currently being treated as such at least two cases, this one regarding the vat refund to bakhmatyuk's companies and regarding the actual fugitive onishchenko, if you remember him. therefore , a bail of uah 55 million was made for nasirov and now he will be released from sizo, we would like to ask if the anti-corruption center is not afraid that in this way

nasirov can somehow avoid responsibility, conditionally we remember the situation with trubitsyn, this is actually from a servant of the people who was given the opportunity to escape from the country, and will the situation with nasirov not be the same now, or maybe he as a tandoor judge will want to mobilize to the ranks . of the armed forces of ukraine and in this way to avoid punishment for the crimes in which he is suspected, in fact, this is how i will remind you that at one time roman nasirov was indeed sent to the pretrial detention center and such a strict, the strictest preventive measure was applied to him, precisely because that he tried to avoid court proceedings in various ways, and that is precisely why he ended up there, now, but here... once again, one must take into account the fact that the court cannot set bail at all in such cases, because it is a requirement of the law, you you have to determine a certain amount of bail and... the law

actually directly says that this amount of bail must be commensurate with the fact that the accused is actually in possession of some property. ah, now, what do we have now? nasirov was indeed released from suzo, the bail was paid, but this does not actually mean that he is directly free there, because it remains for him to perform all the prescribed duties, and there any of his movements, appearance, or in general, if he was not... will be established from the location, or he will not perform at least one of the duties, that is, he will communicate with witnesses, for example, in the case, or will not appear at the request of the prosecutor, then this will mean that he can actually be returned to the sizo again, will he try at all, as you say, for example, to join the ranks of the armed forces, here he can be such a story, of course, many, we see with involved in corruption cases, use

it to avoid... responsibility, because in this case the court usually stops the legal process, but, as we observe, in many cases, the involved go to serve, the process is stopped, but the involved does not serve, for example, there on the front line, he serves somewhere in some safer units, and here, of course , there is a question, so if roman nasirov wants to serve in the armed forces, then for us it will be, it will be strange, because if he actually explained in court many times, he has a lot a serious state of health, and he actually cannot be, well, it looks like this, if he could not sit in a chair, due to his state of health, he justified it, then how will he be able to serve with this state of health, that is a big question , it will be, if he shows such a desire, it will actually mean that he was a little bit deceiving the court itself in this case, i think it may be about new risks, about escape, actually, if in general for... don, they

don't have the right to release him, he doesn't have to, he generally has to inform the prosecutor in the case about all his trips, and again, for any violation may even result in this bail being charged, so i really hope that he will not be able to avoid responsibility, especially since ah, these cases of his are already at such a, well, pre-final stage of consideration, and soon we can get already judgments in the first instance. we thank you. olena shcherban, deputy executive. director , head of the legal department of the anti -corruption center, we talked about the leaking of information in the national anti-corruption bureau, and actually we also talked about the situation with the former by the head of the state fiscal service , roman nasirov, who was remembered by ukrainians for the checkered blanket with which he was wrapped, when he was forcibly brought to the courtroom, where a preventive measure was chosen for him. yes, well, in the meantime, the russian occupiers attacked odesa with anti-ballistics.

said the mayor of odesa, gennadiy trukhanov. yes, ballistics are again in the direction of odesa, he said. well, the public reported about the explosion in odesa. well, in any case, unfortunately, there will be more such news. so, dear ones tv viewers, don't ignore air alarms. yes, and i would also like to add that in the kharkiv epicenter, approximately half of the debris was dismantled. rescuers approached the site of the impact. oleg seniguv , the head of the military administration of the kharkiv region, reports on this and says that the work to eliminate the consequences of the enemy attack will continue for several more days, as you know, 17 dead have already been identified, the memory of all those people who died as a result of this russian terror and my condolences to all those affected and a speedy recovery to them restoration. well, for today antin and i will say goodbye to you, tomorrow we will see each other in this studio at the same time, our colleagues

will continue to... call for you so that you are aware of all the most important things, so take care and see you tomorrow , good bye. the espresso team has collected the main news for this hour. i am anna yavomelnyk, my greetings. representatives of local authorities report explosions in odesa and kharkiv. in the south , the air force denied the threat of ballistics. in the east, the russians once again launched cabs. on the territory of the farm a fire broke out at a farm in the kholodnohirsky district of kharkiv , oleg synogubov, the head of the region, said. seventeen dead.