thank you natalsa didenko, thank you for being with us, it was big air on the espresso tv channel, i will say goodbye to you until tomorrow at 18:10, well, in just a few moments the program verdict with serhii rudenko, stay with us, stay, there will be interesting. good evening, honey of ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. kharkiv oblast under intense enemy fire. russians may be preparing a new offensive on the northern borders, are the armed forces ready to repel the aggressor in sumy oblast, while the investigation into the breakthrough in kharkiv region 30 f-16 fighters by 2028. ukraine signed a security agreement with belgium. will there be restrictions on the use of belgian aircraft for strikes on the territory of russia. will give a standing ovation. is zelensky

warning about the negative consequences of biden's absence at the upcoming peace summit in switzerland? will a peace conference make sense without the highest representation of the united states and china? glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. during the next two hours we will talk about ukraine, the world, about war and about our victory. let's talk about today's forecasts of the minister of defense umerov regarding the deployment of troops by the russians in the north of ukraine, on the border with the northern regions of ukraine, as well as why biden does not want or cannot go to the global peace summit, how this will affect the course of this forum, which ...

begins on june 15-16 in switzerland, and let's talk about putin's latest statements regarding the legitimacy and illegitimacy of zelensky, and most importantly, what goal is pursued by the kremlin grandfather. more on that later for the next hour, we will talk with our guests, colonel of the ukrainian armed forces, petro chernyk, journalist roman tsimbalyuk, and executive director of the institute of world politics yevhen magda. in the second part of our program, people's deputies of ukraine mykyta poturaev, yulia klymenko and oleg sinyutka will be present. however, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching the video of the destruction of the russian t-90 breakthrough tank by the armed forces of ukraine. the first drone stopped the car while moving, the second damaged the optics, and the next effectively burned enemy equipment. let's watch this enchanting video.

the t-90 tank was burning nicely, this is, by the way, the sixth vehicle that was burned in... in the 47th separate

mechanized brigade and the operators of the unit that deal with drones. glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, i would like to remind you that throughout our broadcast, we appear not only live on the espresso tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our platforms, participate in our survey that we are conducting today. we ask you the following: have you agreed to the presence of western troops in ukraine? yes, no, if you would agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, if you watch us on tv, take your smartphone or phone and vote, if yes, 08021381, no, 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will... sum up this vote. and

we have our first guest, petro chernyk, military expert, colonel armed forces of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. mr. colonel, let's start our conversation with the situation that is developing in the northeast and east. we are talking about both the kharkiv direction and sumy. volodymyr zelenskyi says that russia is gathering an offensive group near the sumy region, and he warned world leaders about this from kharkiv. how was it all, let's go. let's see. russia is the only source of aggression and is constantly trying to spread it the war right now, these days, we are defending ourselves 60 km northeast of

this place, against another attempted russian offensive. russia is preparing to attempt offensive actions 90 km from here to the northwest. another one is gathering near our border. grouping of troops, he who does all this does not want peace. and already today, the minister of defense of ukraine rustem umyerov said in an interview with reuters that russia is preparing to deploy another 300,000 troops near the border of ukraine. we are in touch, i remind you, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine petro bilberry mr. colonel, how do you assess the prospects. the creation of another northern front in ukraine? it cannot be neglected, can the enemy resort to the design of a small plandarm, say in the sumy region? yes, of course, does he have the strength and means for this? in a certain part has. at the moment , the northern group has up to 53,000

personnel, they have up to 400 tanks, up to 1,500 armored fighting vehicles and up to a thousand artillery barrels, as well as multiple rocket launchers. in order to organize the same tracing. operation as in the khativ oblast in a diameter of up to three, well, a maximum of 7 km, these forces are enough, but we understand very well that we will have to divert our forces and means and strategic reserve in order to entrench this bridgehead as well. why does the enemy do this? the most important reason is the potential summit to be held in switzerland, putin is showing the countries of the global south that he is worth something, that he can do something, and will look for the keys to their hearts. to sway them to your side, but you said 50,000 - this is enough for a small diameter of 7.9 km to organize an offensive, or whether it could be, for example, an encirclement, an operational encirclement of the city of sumy, well, they could bypass, let's

say, where bilopyllia and velyka piserivka are and , conditionally speaking, create an encirclement, or is this necessary solely in order to distract our forces now in donbas and... demonstrate to the whole world that he can do something, exclusively from diverting the forces and you and exclusively demonstrate that he can do something in order to really fight for such a rather large city as sumy, without saying already about the million kharkiv, then only one direction needs at least 100,000 personnel, so if we take the two directions of sumy and kharkiv, then this is at least 200,000 personnel, and this is a plus to what they have, we still remember , that there is such a phenomenon as substitution. we exterminate between 26-29 thousand personnel every month, and my opinion is that in may we will have an absolute record and will exceed the figure of 30,000 . so far, they do not dare to raise their mobilization figures to the level of 40-50, and then and 60 thousand per month. do

they have such potential? yes, of course there is. up to 3 million men are in reserve, more than 100 million kalashnikov assault rifles were manufactured at one time. cartridge factories. they work to the full strength they can work for, and for the country, for putin exaggerates, they died, are dying and will die, but even they are not incapable of expanding the group to 300,000 at such a fast pace, or will they try like this, well, that is, for them to deploy a group of 300 00 requires at least a year, if i understand correctly, six months, my view is that by the fall, by the fall, if they dare to go out now for the summer for indicators, indicators of 4,000, then in 3-6 months they can do it, well, but , mr. colonel, if you compare what our enemies are doing and what , what we are doing, we are also trying to increase the mobilization resource, the law on mobilization, or rather, the law on amendments to the mobilization

legislation effective may 18 , 2024, that is what and how it can change and whether it has already changed, but the fact itself that that a great number of men, if i am not mistaken, the number reached more than a million in accounting only because of one reserve plus program, but this is an unprecedented phenomenon in our history, nothing like it. it wasn’t, well, we have to understand that we haven’t dealt with our defense system for 30 years, and such a concept as the preparation of mobilization resources in general has practically been reduced to zero since 1991, then we can give the right answers with literally only one change to the cycle of laws it is not so easy, in my opinion, to understand how qualitatively or poorly the law works, at least it has to pass for half a half six months, but in my opinion. the first results are still significant, this is an accounting of all the resources we have, and it began,

with these successes that you said, more than a million people registered in the reserve plus application, another innovation that began on may 18 on the 24th of the year, ukrainian convicts convicted for the first time will be released and are already being released from prisons for military service in... ukraine, more than 600 people have already been released and have gone to the front. minister of justice denys malyuska reported in on the air of the telethon edyni novini, that the convicts, who were mobilized with their consent, will serve in special assault units. let's listen to the minister of justice. as of now, these will be assault units, these will be units that are still being formed. but from the persons who served the sentence, that is, these are monolithic units without

mixing with other military personnel, here i am not entirely sure that this is the best option, but again, the military is more visible, we have not yet reached the point of direct combat the actions of these units are being prepared, maybe the situation will change later, and the choice about mixing or not mixing will be made for the other benefit, mr. colonel, in all. in the past , convicts were sent to the front, they were sent to different units in different ways, do you think that the current initiative, which is fixed by law, accordingly, that convicts can go through the court and remove the criminal record and go to the front, how effective it is, how much it will give the potential and what and what it gives to the ukrainian army, in particular, well, let's start from... whose figures are 613 people, this this is a full-fledged battalion, even a little, a little more, it's really quite good and

quite a lot, if you understand that this is the first step, and if the next steps are cyclical, the 10th and 20th serial number will be the same, well, that's it can grow to several tens of thousands, and this is actually already a very serious force, personally i believe that this is an absolutely correct step, they are the same convicted citizens as all the rest, and if these were crimes not yours... who cares, and the law very clearly, qualitatively and correctly settled all this, then the task of all citizens is without an exception to defend our country, especially in times of existential challenge, and this is an existential challenge, either the enemies are us, or we are them, and every person who will help beat the enemy, in my opinion, is worth its weight in gold, everything is organized correctly, i stand on the position , which is really good that these are monolithic units, and do not mix with regular armed forces, or rather with other... units, but what will be their real effectiveness in the field, we will see. one more

piece of news, colonel: today, the state bureau of investigation is investigating the breach border by the russians in the kharkiv region, the level of support and staffing of units of the armed forces, construction of fortifications, interaction between military units is checked, in parallel the verkhovna rada of ukraine temporarily created a special commission that investigates the expenditure of budget funds for... fortification and the creation of drones, in your opinion , what might be the results of these checks, i.e. whether these abuses or unfinished fortifications, how much it is a mass phenomenon, and whether we must frankly admit that we did not have time to do this to do there, or they didn't have time in all directions, because of course the large russian-ukrainian and russian-belarusian border, and together it is 20 kilometers there, is a sufficiently large front line. a very sensitive question and, in my opinion, there is

a very angry, very treacherous, and absolutely unjustified, why? there were even opinions that the first line of defense should have been, almost not along the line of demarcation, that is not the case in nature, and i will give a little historical parallels here: the zyhvird line was not the best defensive line of the ugri, not even that, or not the best defense line that was built in general at all times and in the nation... was built for more than 10 years, i emphasize, it is with german scrupulousness, with gigantic resources, and with such discipline that it is simply difficult for us to imagine, then we ukrainians, who are used to ... to live in the illusion of pacifism, we would like to have such lines of defense as they were then, this does not happen, but we remember winston churchill's saying that war is a catalog of mistakes, yes , there are many, many, many mistakes, but to give a correct and accurate assessment of this phenomenon, then here we still need to move away from the principle of do no harm, so that we do not over-analyze what cannot be done, let

those people who have been officially appointed by the state work, let them give their verdict, let them put it on... paper, draw up the documents , so that there appear accurate, guaranteed, most importantly, verified non- emotional facts, and then we will analyze. vladimir putin often says that the offensive in the kharkiv region, the current and , in general, all actions, combat actions in the northeast, in the northeast, are meant in sumy region, they are connected with the fact that they want to create a so-called sanitary zone, but at the expense of the state. there are 5-10 km to ensure the shelling of russian territory, there are not so many of those russian shellings there from the territory of the sumy region, so many from the territory of the kharkiv region, after all, we are on our own land, but in this situation a completely logical question arises regarding the use of western weapons on the territory of russia and the

corresponding creation of a sanitary zone on that side, that is , so that on that side there were also 10 or 15 km in depth, so that... the russians could not bring up artillery, fire artillery at bilopylla, velika piserivka, kharkiv, or other cities located in the border zone, that is what delaying the decision by our western partners regarding the use of their weapons by ukrainians could lead to on the territory of russia, to the formation of one more springboard, or even several, this is what all this can lead to, in part of the... sanitary zone, there is a lot of squirming here, on the part of the enemy, it is logical, then he tries to show that there is some such a formula that will help to come up with something so that the territory of the russian federation will not be threatened, a real sanitary zone, this is when the parties agree among themselves and whether under international control, or independently withdraw these forces and means, that’s the only way and not otherwise, the conditional

approximate sanitary zone was after the so -called minsk-2, but then they really agreed on the diversion. from both sides at a long distance, and then our adversary endlessly violated these rules, is the problem of launching strikes on the territory of the russian federation with nato weapons maturing and maturing, in first of all, with the weapons of the united states, because that is really all that is needed. i will emphasize and explain why. indeed, the swedes said: use our weapons. and what are their weapons? this is artillery. fh77 archer. brilliant, great gunnery with 10 seconds to a minute of time. scrolls in 10 seconds, three shots and left, but these are three shots, even if the division is working, then it is a column on the march, then already toti, that column approaching the border, very good, very beautiful, but not what is needed , it is necessary to destroy that group which is concentrated 90 km away and is building up, that's what's dangerous, they started doing this for the first time, by the way, and

the answer to this is only attacks, why only attacks, the enemy is not a fool, he does not sit in the tents. in small towns, it is scattered in forest strips and forests, and we understand that we do not fight with drones in the forests, we need cluster ammunition. m-39, one of the varieties of atakams, has in its configuration 900 in the range of 950 sub-elements of m-74, a kind of small tangerine, filled with explosives in a metal casing, at a height of 30-40 m above the target, decomposes into with a diameter of up to 500 m and creates a wormwood of fragments at a speed of 1000 m/s, well, several thousand hundreds, and this is all that cuts down everything that can be cut down, including a tree and a living person, but when we start with such missiles at those distances to cover the concentration of troops, then there will be no one to reach the border, well, then the question of this sanitary zone in general will disappear, because in the modern world, in modern

technologies, to talk about, well, we will take, cut down such a corridor. between russia and ukraine, at the expense of ukrainian territory, the russians think to themselves, and there will be nothing that will threaten russian territory, this is also an illusion, taking into account the modern weapons that are available, taking into account the missiles, taking into account the drones, and taking into account the fact that sooner or later, after all, the western partners will agree to the fact that ukraine will use these western weapons at its own discretion, whether it will happen in the near future, what do you think, here is the point that will convince our western partners, they will say: then decide for yourself, it is generally your right there and your vision. difficult question. and i emphasize once again that my position is not western quarters, only one country, the united states of america, the whole problem is with them, the whole problem is in the administration, well, as a problem, it is not a problem, they are what they are,

they look at this war from the angle of their national interests, and remember that as soon as there is some breakthrough moment that can really change the front, and the use of atacoms missiles at such a distance, plus the air force that is about to appear, can actually be the so-called game changer. then their alcognome of bears immediately takes out a nuclear baton, immediately, goes the point of no return, honestly, i don't know, and the americans, in my opinion, don't know either, and that's why they are so careful and don't dare, that's why it's about 50 to 50%, why i say that, i vividly remember in june 2022, when joseph biden clearly said, i will not give ukraine f-16, because it is crossing black, not even red, lines and it is an escalation of the conflict f16 on the way, broke. there are already many spears around them, they said the beginning of summer, and the middle of summer, and the end of summer, well , we hope that in the cycle of dry weather, we will finally hear the roar of this very high-quality

engine in the air and its combat work, but there is another example, literally one and a half to two months ago, macron reflected that the entire foreign legion is entering ukraine almost tomorrow, some are even now signing agreements on alleged instructions. although just literally an hour or so ago, he said that something is not quite right, that everything needs to be thought out and put in place, and there is already rhetoric that the french troops in ukraine will be gone tomorrow, so it can be either way, as it will turn out in reality, we gain patience and let's follow thank you, colonel, for the conversation, this was petro chernyk, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live now, please. subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: would you agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, well , the answer should be rhetorical, but

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didn't sound strange and wasn't such a political oxymoron now, but if there is a forum of the russian opposition, which is held in lviv, then obviously, those who call themselves the opposition are , is it an opposition at all in russia? who is this opposition, or are they the people who gathered in lviv, because on friday we had a discussion here with yelia panamarov, about good russians, bad russians, the russian opposition, and somehow we did not reach a single opinion, what do you think, is it necessary, is there a russian opposition and does ukraine need it, well , firstly, we have enough enemies among the russians, we probably don't need to multiply them anymore, secondly. there is no opposition in russia, there is no opposition, and now we are talking about political emigrants, this is completely different, the third, yes, we are very skeptical attitude towards the fact that these people

can influence something, but fourth, this does not mean that it should not be done, no matter how strange it is, especially when we see people in military uniform who protect our state with weapons in their hands, i do not think that the passport itself should be the determining factor that these people are russian. they are the same soldiers as ours, and at least everything shows this in the course of hostilities, the situation is complicated, there are no good solutions here, i would simply break this situation down into two components: the fact is that we we ourselves demonstrate that we can talk to the russians, that we don't have any grudges here or anything else, this is in such a broad context, including in front of the same... peace that will be next month in switzerland, that's us we have to record the fact that this will cause a certain anger in the middle

of the state, you know, don't push it. well , in some places such a look is even humiliating, i think that this should not be done, once again, we use all the means that are possible in our flight, and this is this forum, it means much less than any unit of the armed forces of ukraine, including the rdc, but tell me, do you think, in russia, did they notice this at all, or something? you monitor their programs, they, they, they talk about it at all, are there no such forums for them, and in general they do not consider these people there as a real force that can create, as ilya panomaryov told me, some kind of government, well , in exile, relatively speaking, and sooner or later bring these russian volunteer battalions near moscow, that is, they do not even consider such a possibility, although it is obvious that if

systematically... to work with those people who call themselves the russian opposition and to expand this russian volunteer corps, well general, i don’t mean the rdk, only siberia and the freedom of russia, then sooner or later it can happen, but yes, well at the moment there are no prerequisites for this, let's say it so diplomatically, but here is one more very important point, this does not mean that it is not necessary to deal with it, in general, well, that's not what i'm looking for here... good russians, but i just want to record, that they have in their homeland all those who with open faces call to armed resistance to russian aggression, i.e., those who call for the killing of russian invaders on ukrainian soil, in russia, they are all terrorists and subject to destruction, well, this just needs to be said so that

, well, there were enough examples of how putin... kills his enemies , this simply means that these people have pbr, let’s say so, but this does not mean that tomorrow on ukrainian abrams they will go to moscow, this also needs to be realized, i’m just referring to what we as a state have, we have many officials, many different services, special services, has advance several at the same time... this is my humble opinion, even if it does not give this opportunity, that a pro-ukrainian government was in moscow, although who knows how it will turn out, it must be done, in this regard, we must look at our european friends , you see, they always play this game, in good russian games, it infuriates us to a certain extent, if we look at this situation... from

the point of view of today's battles in vovchansk, this is understandable if we look with a lag at the perspective of many people there years, then it must be done, once again, well, i think it is exhaustive answer, thank you roman, you mentioned the summit that is to be held in switzerland, the global summit on june 15-16, today president zelensky announced that the president of the... united states of america, joe biden, should come to the peace summit, and that's what he said at a press conference in belgium. shall we listen to zelensky's arguments? i would very much like president biden to attend in person, and i know that america supports the summit, but you and i do not know at what level. i think this is not a very strong decision. and i think president biden needs the summit

peace is needed. to other leaders who are looking at the reaction of the united states of america, not his presence, this, this will only be applauding putin, personally applauding putin, and standing. roman, the absence of biden at the peace summit, will the scale of this forum be reduced, the absence of the president of the united states of america, but still, well , you have to understand that, obviously, the united states of america is doing its best to have a high representation there , or the secretary of state of the united states of america, or perhaps the vice president of the united states of the united states of america, and how, to what extent what zelensky says, to what extent it can be received in the kremlin, and there is no biden, it means that putin stands up, applauds, and says that finally we won, maybe putin will organize in this at the moment, there is another forum with sydyn piny there.