er, they financed the disarmament of ukraine, systematically financed it, so it’s not for sure, it’s not for them to remind us of something there, because it was with american money that the planes were blown up for scrap metal, let me remind you, it was such a small amount, that means it was exchanged there for certain there are mythical debts there for gas, which means they gave the moscow ones, and the rest was dusted off with american money. because the americans were interested in us not having airplanes, but was everything limited to that, by no means, because for yanukovych, yes for yanukovych, but again for american money dusted a bunch of inlet complexes, together with missiles, soviet ones, too, which were supposed to carry tactical nuclear charges, tactical nuclear charges were actually stolen from us by russia. even before

the signing, that is, of the budapest memorandum, but the launchers and the carriers themselves were there, they were dusted in the period from the 10th to the 12th year with american money, so i think that the allies perfectly remember who financed the significant disarmament of ukraine, i do not mention the fact that any modernization of our aircraft, mig-29s, dry for... everything ukraine did, pulled for its own money, by the way, and during the presidency of petro oleksiyovych poroshenko, the money that was, mr. olek will not let lie, was allocated, somehow financed all this, it was, it was, and before petro oleksiyovych there was too, but exclusively for themselves, without any help from the west. now, with regard to your question, mr. serhiy, i want to say that while supporting mr. oleg, there is no need to blame, but we definitely need to call things our own and... us, and the question of

the use of western weapons on the territory of there against the territory of muscovy, it is not a question of weapons and not of their use, it is a question of whether they are going to help us win the war, because as winston churchill said after the incredibly successful dunun evacuation operation, he said: "wars are not won by evacuation ". wars are not won by evacuations, and therefore there is no need, i think, there is no need to hold back and clearly put questions to our allies, then you honestly say that you want to help ukraine win, or is this just talk, because i , you know, when, when it flies so by kharkiv, well, again, this is not the first time, this is not the first time. this does not mean that we have

to learn to live with it, no, we have to tell the whole world, we do not want to live with it, and you tell us the truth, are you going to give us the opportunity to help, and help and win, that means beating the russians in the areas of the cluster, wherever these districts are, in the temporarily occupied kherson region, or zaporizhzhia, or in their territories, belgorodsk. oblast, because the victory is won only in this way, everything else, i apologize, chatter and nothing more, both the question and the answer to this question is very simple and honest: we have to demand, that's all, well, it's obvious, it's obvious, until the west clearly articulated that in addition to the fact that they don't want the defeat of ukraine, they are ukrainians, they have to... say what they want

the defeat of russia, then the emphasis will be absolutely clearly set, otherwise it looks like our western partners say that they do not want ukraine to lose, but at the same time they are not ready for the defeat of russia, that is, for, for some kind of peace, they are ready for such a hybrid , and no to defeat, this is probably a big problem, i understand that mr olezhe, you wanted to react to what was said, of course, because with all due respect. to the dnipro and to pe pivdenne, i am convinced that this is the pride of ukraine, but we must be honest that bohdan, unfortunately or fortunately, has nothing to do with the dnipro, because the barrels there were produced in another city, the trigger mechanisms still in another city, just like the development of neptune, this is also not the development of kb pivdenna, it is the development of a completely different design bureau, so if we talk about bohdanna, then... in fact, the first copy

of bohdanna was produced in 2018 and in 2019 year, this self-propelled artillery installation was supposed to be placed on sulfur. and already actually being produced in the syrian version, so it began to be produced in the syrian version, think about it in 2024, and regarding the qualities of bohdana, the first time when it was really used in combat conditions, it was the cleansing of zmiyny island from enemies, when available on at that moment, the self-propelled installations of our western partners could not qualitatively reach the enemy on the snake, and bohdana did it, and did it... not in the 24th year, much faster, and therefore, to talk about the fact that these are some losses of someone once there, as they have been accusing it now for the past five years, it is definitely incorrect, as for neptune, it just

so happened that on the southern coast of ukraine, we were just transferring from the charitable fund petro poroshenko and community affairs, equipment to help. that division that sunk the cruiser moscow, and had a conversation with the leadership of this division, and with the representatives of the design bureau present there, who actually developed these things, so i would very much like us to be correct, and we really paid tribute to those designers who in the 17th and 18th years made, conducted and indeed already conducted shootings and accepted for... those in the armed forces of ukraine, or as it is fashionable to say, put them into service, i don't want to mention these dummies who drove just to make eye contact, because this is a completely different story, a story that will surely be heard after our victory, but we really have to pay tribute to those designers, and

the military, and politicians who made relevant decisions, and we received the day before full-scale aggression of both bohdanno and nefta... and we must honestly say that when there was a big discussion in the parliament regarding the financing of the military program before full-scale aggression, i would very much not like to return to this discussion in 20-21, when the thesis was sounded that if we finance the army, we will not have money for asphalt. come on, today's conversation is not about that, today's conversation is about how to unite the country and confront the enemy. beyond any doubt, i support mr. oleg, mr. serhiy, i'm sorry, but mr. olesh, you know, i treat you personally and many in your political force, with respect and correctly, but my memory is not like that of a goldfish, honestly, so i remember, and now i can crawl, or mr.

sergey can, or ms. yulia can crawl on the internet and in a minute and a half find the articles of the 19th year, when the question arose, and it is not in the office? the president was not put anywhere, but bohdan should be put on the tatra chassis, you remember that, i think, you remember, and what happened, what accusations of corruption, no, on krazivskyi, she did not shoot from krazivskyi, i am not saying that nkmz, i know where it was made, mr. oleg, it was made in skodar, nkmz, no, no, no, no, mr. serhiy, no, mr. serhiy, i nothing, you know, i have the impression that again the predecessors are in trouble in everything, well, you are old. indeed, under poroshenko, they made a good cannon on

a bad chassis on the krazivskyi, from which it did not shoot, and the same one that fired at the changes was already firing from the tatrivskyi chassis, as many accusations were made. defense that it wants on its normal chassis to put it and how long it took, i have not forgotten it, but if the audience forgets, i will remind you, with neptunes, cable, the situation was not so simple either, and the point here is not in dummies, the point is that each rocket must be taught to fly, and yes, mr. oleg, i am convinced that the whole of ukraine should be grateful to those government officials who managed to finance and believed in the period from 14th to 19th years and really. but the product, as the rocket engineers say, was almost ready and could be used quickly, as for the peregrine, then again, let me remind the audience that when it was financed by the saudis under the name grom, the saudis allocated more than 40 million dollars, and the state of ukraine, it was not

you, mr. oleg, it was not the poroshenko administration, it was earlier, but the state of ukraine allocated 20 million dollars, 20 million, for 20 million even for design and construction. engineers will stop, you will still be in power for a few more years, you will still have the opportunity to be able to tell this, i can make one comment, i think that we need to look to the future, not to the past, because we have many years ahead of us, let's say so, armed, if not war, then conflict, and russia will not go anywhere, even after our victory, so now all your technical knowledge is needed. to produce, to start producing, not fluff, but serial production

of everything, from shells to serious uavs, and these technologies so that they remain in ukraine and do not migrate abroad, because their life is not impossible here, thanks to bep and various others organizations that simply make the life of manufacturers in ukraine really impossible, that's why we have serial production of everything you described... and much of what we need is still very far away. we have very few specialists who can put normal industry, production, on a large flow. it must be done by all together, and those who understand the details, those who understand management, you who understand investments, and those who understand what technologies will survive after the war. this is a very complex and large conversation, unfortunately, it is not conducted much, at the moment, everyone blames the past, but no one knows how to do it in the future, so that ukraine is armed... thanks to its weapons so that russia would not even think of coming a second time.

thank you, mrs. yulia, i would like to remind our viewers that we are conducting a survey throughout the broadcast and asking you the following: would you agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, meaning the troops of our western partners, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes no , if you have a smartphone or a phone, you can vote by phone 0800 211 381 no, 0800 21138. 72. all calls to these numbers are free. vote at the end program, we will sum up the results of this vote. another topic on which the russian occupiers and the russian dictator putin are speculating quite actively. today, he again started talking about the legitimacy and illegitimacy of zelenskyi, he started talking about the fact that he had read the constitution and mentioned that there is a right that must be respected in ukraine. russia may not... comply with international law, and ukrainians must comply with the extension of the president's powers in

the constitution, they say it does not say that the speaker stefanchuk and the verkhovna rada are the only legitimate ones, a small fragment, i understand that many will be annoyed by this creature, but we have to listen, because he is talking about the illegitimate putin, he is talking about our legitimate zelensky. the constitution of ukraine provides for the continuation of the powers, but only of the council. the constitution of ukraine does not mention the continuation of the president's powers. there is article 111 of the constitution of ukraine, which states that in this case the powers of the supreme power, in fact, the powers of the president are transferred the speaker of the parliament. all the more so that under the conditions of the martial law, the powers of the parliament continue. ruslan stefanchuk,

by the way, has already reacted, saying that volodymyr zelenskyi will remain the president of ukraine until the end of martial law. mr. oleg, why is putin trying to delegitimize zelensky, that is, at a moment when putin’s legitimacy is in great question, and well, in principle, it is somehow disgusting enough and... well, i don’t know what other word can be used in this situation, he is trying question the legitimacy of ours president, despite the fact that there is a consensus in ukraine that zelensky is the legitimate president, i generally consider it not necessary to comment on the words of a dictator who kills ukrainians, who wants to destroy our state, another friend of the constitution of ukraine turned out to be me , he does not deserve to have his words interpreted in any way, and

he is nobody for ukraine today, he is a war criminal who is wanted today by a criminal court for the crimes he committed in ukraine, for whom a corresponding arrest warrant has been issued, and i is convinced that sooner or later he will have a place in the gas on the bench. why does he want today... to sow discord in ukrainian society is absolutely understandable, because he wants to break our unity, he wants to break our joint resistance to the enemy, and our response must to be: very simple, it is an association around the armed forces of ukraine, it is assistance to the armed forces of ukraine. by the way, well, forgive me for going back and forth, because i was hooked on everything about krasov and tatras, so i would not invest in the purchase of three-way tatras, i would invest in the development of our own beauties, what we say about the localization of production, if we talk about the neptunes, then i

would actually eventually be attracted to the answer, sorry. i would prosecute those who stopped the work of the design bureau that produces neptunes. i would certainly prosecute those who removed the klintztrons from our air defense system, and think about it, gave it back six months after the full-scale aggression began, but i say again, this is a story that must be told to put an end to the days after our victory, today the country... for unity, today there should be a joint confrontation, we have no right to listen to this kremlin dictator today, because he is nobody for ukraine, he is an enemy of ukraine, he is a person who wants to destroy ukraine , i am convinced that within the country we will find out for sure who has constitutional powers and who has non -constitutional powers, and this is by no means putin's business,

thank you, mr. olezh, mr. nikita, i hope that you will not talk about neptunes now and what... was 5 years ago, let me remind you the servant of the people and president zelenskyi is in power for the sixth year, well, president zelenskyi, then your entire party, uh, look, the entire verkhovna rada, i apologize, the entire assembly, yes, yes, yes, well, the majority, maybe the majority is still in verkhovna rada, but you tell me, mr. sinyutka says that putin should not interpret the constitution of ukraine, but that we have a body called the constitutional court. and why did your team refuse the verdict of the constitutional court regarding zelenskyi's powers, because turning to the constitutional court is definitely playing on putin's hand, because we have elected legitimate authorities, we have a war, we have martial

law, during elections you can't hold, during martial law you can't hold... elections, the vast majority of citizens say that elections during martial law, during a full-scale war, it's stupid, and to turn somewhere is exactly behaving like cowardly leaders certain in the west, who , returning to the first question, constantly, when putin starts saying: i have nuclear weapons, and they all oh we're so scared we are afraid, we are afraid, there is, unfortunately, no... new, i am already silent about cherschel, there is no eisenhower, who in response to the first berlin crisis simply brought out the tanks, and there is no hero of the second world war, kennedy, the commander of the torpedo boat, the hero, let me remind you, who knew exactly what war was, who, simply in response to the cuban crisis, put

the nuclear forces of the united states on full alert and said either you get out or we start a nuclear war. and commissar hrushchev went away. now, unfortunately, it turns out, i don't know how to call it backflips. it starts there is something croaking. as for us, it is not enough that we continue here in our ukrainian studios. this is not an accusation against you, mr. sergey. you are right, this is journalistic work. but i fully support mr. oleh senyunko, who says there is no need to discuss it at all. and they will discuss it at the event. this is the problem. instead of saying, get into your swamps, you will once again stick your ass out of the swamps, you will get a nuclear missile in your ass. thank you, mr. nikita, ms. yuria, is there any place for discussion at all, i am not saying in the espresso studio, because we have a place for discussion, generally in the middle

lawyers, among people who understand constitutional law, perhaps, perhaps, everything is necessary... such a decision of the constitutional court in order to avoid these stupid throws, because i understand that putin is doing this in order that in some a way to delegitimize, or question zelensky's authority, can it somehow affect our other western partners, i mean not big players, not our big partners, the whole world, that he is already doing a certain, according to his measure' . a special operation, but i think that it is being done for two purposes: the first purpose is to destabilize the situation inside ukraine, and i want to tell you that there is no discussion among the political elite and the opposition and the ruling party, the constitutional court and lawyers, everyone recognizes

zelensky as a legitimate president, he is and will be legitimate president until the end of the war, but this narrative is flooded in all telegram channels and various viber groups and various tiktok groups, if you see and follow well... and pso and narratives, you will see that it is flooded mainly by the military, and by the people of mobilizo , which mobilized or will be mobilized, for what? for them to say that zelenskyi is illegitimate, and therefore we will not follow his orders, because zelenskyi is not only the president, he is the supreme commander, so they are trying to do what the russians are trying to do, they are trying to... zelenskyi for the military. thank you, on the other hand, they are trying to shake

the legitimacy of zelenskyi during the peace negotiations, that is, before the peace summit, telling countries that are not very, let's say, in circulating these doubts, but in ukraine among the political community and among lawyers there are no doubts. we do not have the legitimacy of zelenskyi, and there is none among journalists either, that is , in this situation we are simply reacting to the comments and, accordingly, we have a reaction to all of this, it is good that we are speaking out, those who see us on youtube and facebook, maybe including and not only in ukraine, they clearly understand what is happening here, a very short topic, i hope for a one-minute answer. bill on banning russian churches in ukraine until the second the reading is already ready, as i understand it, there are no

votes yet, why can't the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopt this law in its final version? mr. oleg? i believe that there are votes in the verkhovna rada, and here we must thank the committee on humanitarian policy, headed by mr. because they worked very seriously between the first and second reading and the draft law, which today is ready for voting in the second reading, complies with all international norms, complies with ukrainian legislation and in no way violates any issues of freedom conscience, nor any religious issues, because the issue of banning the fsb structure of kirill is a matter of national security, and really here is a question for speaker stepanchuk, why until now... he does not put this issue on the agenda. you know that, unfortunately, last week we were forced by european solidarity to block the podium and only in this way managed to put to

a vote the creation of a temporary special commission on fortifications, because fortifications are the life of the military, the issue of this bill on the ban of this sect kiriva, this is a question of our spiritual life. i am convinced that this law should be on the agenda for the next... not meeting, thank you, thank you, mr. olezh, and representatives of a number of ukrainian public organizations called on the people's deputies to urgently adopt a bill on the banning of the russian orthodox church and a resolution on the decolonization of the names of populated areas of ukraine . in their statement , they emphasized that these decisions depend on the exclusive leadership of the verkhovna rada, the ruling majority, some ruling parties in recent weeks, the actions of the ruling party more... he wants not just inconsistency, outright sabotage, he is talking about blocking the monoboleshist in the verkhovna rada of the bill on banning the russian orthodox church and the resolution on the decolonization of the names of points. mr. nikita, are you

being accused of open sabotage? yes, and it is very unfortunate, because in fact our faction was the leader in the development of this law, and it is really painful to look at the truth . er, well, the lines in this statement, because the fact that we are unable to pass a law on the banning of the so-called russian orthodox church, why the so-called because this is not a church and this is not orthodoxy, and the fact that we cannot lead to the colonization of names, this means that in the third year of a full-scale invasion, people do not understand why, why this war, what this war is for and what is this war against, mr. nikita, thank you. i have two words, two words i want to remind you that katsapnia in all the temporarily occupied territories, what is she doing, she is returning the soviet names, dragging this lukich

lysy to the pedestals again and so on. we have a simple regulation, sorry, like in the verkhovna rada. mrs. yulia, 30 seconds. well, i actually i am engaged in collecting signatures for the second reading, including together with my colleagues, since we collected signatures for the first reading in order to prove to the leadership of the verkhovna rada that there are votes, so now we are engaged in the second reading, and in principle we have already collected 200 votes, i think that the remaining 40 votes or 26 are there, we will complete, and at this point the discussion about bringing it to the hall for the second reading. were guests of our program today, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, we had a wonderful discussion, and i will remind our tv viewers that today we conducted a survey, we asked you about whether you would agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, the results of the television survey were 96 against 4%, it was the verdict program, it was conducted by serhiy rodenko, i say goodbye to you, bye date. more

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