the situation is complicated, there are no good solutions here, i would simply break this situation down into two components: there is the fact that we thereby demonstrate that we can talk to the russians, that we do not have any grudges or anything else, this in such a broad context, including before the peace summit, which will be held next month in switzerland, we must record what it will cause... disgust in the middle of the state , you know, i don't believe, well, in places even humiliating view, i think that it is not necessary to do this, once again, we all use it means that are possible in our flight, and this forum means much less than any unit of the armed forces of ukraine, including the rdc. ah... well, tell me, do you

think russia noticed this at all, well , you monitor their programs, they, they, they talk about it at all, do they not have such forums, and in general they do not consider these people there, as a real force that can create, as elya panomaryov told me, some kind of government in exile, relatively speaking, and sooner or later bring these russian good leadership battalions near moscow, that is, they do not even... consider such a possibility, although it is obvious that if you systematically work with those people who call themselves the russian opposition and expand this russian volunteer corps, well, general, i do not mean the rdk, only and siberia and the freedom of russia, sooner or later it may happen, and yes, at the moment there are no prerequisites for this, let's put it this way, diplomatically, but here is one more very important point, this does not mean that it is not necessary. but to do, in general, well, that's me

i'm not looking for good russians here, but i just want to record that in their homeland, all those who with open faces call for armed resistance to russian aggression, that is, who call for the killing of russian invaders on ukrainian land, in russia, they are all terrorists and are subject to destruction, well , it just needs to be said so that, well... there were enough examples of how putin kills his enemies, it just says that these people have more, let's say so, but this does not mean that tomorrow on ukrainian abrams they will go to moscow, this is also necessary to realize, i mean, that we, as a state, have many officials, many different servants. services, special services

, several projects should be promoted at the same time, this is my humble opinion, even if it does not give this opportunity for a pro-ukrainian government to be in moscow, although who knows how it will turn out, it must be done, in this regard , we must look at to our european friends, you see, they always play this game in good russian clothes, and... to a certain extent it infuriates us, if we look at this situation from the point of view of today's battles in vovchanskyi, it is clear, if you look at the perspective of many years there, then it should be done again, well, it seems to me a comprehensive answer. thanks roman, you mentioned the summit to be held in switzerland, the global summit on june 15-16. today

, president zelensky announced that the president of the united states of america, joe biden, should come to the peace summit, and he said this at a press conference in belgium. let's listen to zelensky's arguments. i would very much like the president to be present in person biden, and i know that america supports the summit, but you and i don't know at what level, i don't think it's a very strong decision, and i think that... biden needs the peace summit and needs the other leaders who are watching to the reaction of the united states of america, not his presence, it will only applaud putin, personally applaud putin, and standing. roman, the absence of biden at the peace summit will reduce the scope of this forum, the absence of the president of the united states of america, or still, well, you have to ... understand that obviously, the united

the states of america will do their best to ensure that there is a high representative, or the secretary of state of the united states of america, or perhaps the vice president of the united states... of the united states of america, and how, as far as what zelensky says, as far as it can be perceived in the kremlin, and there is no biden, it means that putin stands up, applauds and says that, well, finally we won, maybe putin will organize another forum at this moment together with xijin pin, there with the countries of the conditional southern region, and will say, and we, we our peace formula, there is zelensky in switzerland, and here we are... i don't know, in sochi, for example, we will organize such a forum, well , again, this is roughly the same as with the first question, there is diplomatic work, and there is a situation on the ground, and this does not mean that there is no need to do diplomatic work, because in the beginning

there was a word anyway, and i said it to the point that it is better, in my opinion, if there is no biden, but there will be a juliard of american missiles, and yes.. . here, you see, i think we are not in the right condition to offend the americans or expose them. some conditions, it is clear that the highest representation is very cool, well, i don’t really like this rhetoric of the president, why, because there were already many reports in the american media about the fact that on this date biden has another event, he has money there is gathering, well, plus they have another... election, so if he suddenly doesn't come, then it seems that everyone and the rest don't have to come, well, i 'm just talking about the fact that we can't influence president biden, but precisely in diplomatic rhetoric, i still would would be more careful, saying that the same idea

can be expressed in a different way, what i mean is, for example, that of course we want the united states to be represented at a ... higher level, because we are convinced that any the president of the united states, regardless of his surname for our country, but we will welcome any representation, especially since everyone on this planet knows that the united states supports ukraine, this is me sketching it out of the top of my head, well, you understand, these nuances, we just don't want our partners, well, they have, well, sometimes they have, like this formulate correctly and diplomatically so that it does not add up. this is a false impression about the ukrainians and about the requests of the ukrainian side, well, there are nuances that lead to the fact that it annoys them, it also annoys many of us, once again it is completely justified, because these conversations about

weapons, whether to beat the parachs or not to beat them, they are already to be honest, they are already sitting here, and sometimes it seems to me that these conversations are only a signal to putin to stop manichela, because... because we have such and such a lever, because there are a lot of conversations, so let's go let's just see, these signals, they are already in they are sitting in their livers or somewhere, in general , the war is far from us, it is not happening in these diplomatic offices, it is happening on the ground, in the landings and on ukrainian soil, beyond any doubt, i agree with you, the chinese are not either yet... . confirm their participation in the peace summit in switzerland, that is, the americans will participate at an unknown level , china has not yet confirmed, according to the spokeswoman of the chinese foreign ministry maoning, her country does not have specific information on this to share it now, but it is clear that beijing will be too

to choose a side such an average position in order not to offend putin and show it. to the world that they have this so-called map, a peace map, although it is not a peace map, it is rather a vision of beijing, of what is happening in ukraine, it is wrong, well, how, in my opinion, forgive me, but putin after the so-called inauguration began to fly around beijing, minsk, now he flies to tashkent, it seems, to uzbekistan, well, that is, what is left of putin's influence in 24, that is? we always talk about sanctions, about economic sanctions, we talk about international ones the warrant that is issued against putin, which limits him, but what if we look at him politically now, uh, what is left of putin? well, actually, not like that, not enough,

he has 140 people under his command who like him, don't like him, they are still a source. money for vladimir putin, i.e. all these visits, well, to china, of course, he went for a shortcut to reign, then here is an attempt to emphasize that... russia's influence in the so-called post-soviet space remains, although in fact they lost almost everywhere, especially in this region, because now we see shots from putin's visit to uzbekistan, these states are just beginning to focus more and more on china, and everyone actually understands that, but if we go back to this summit, you can see that everyone is holding on. this pause, but if china will be represented at the level of the ambassador, this is also already raising the flag, i

just say that let's model it for ourselves, we, you are the ambassador of china in switzerland, i am his deputy, a world event in fact, china is involved in these processes , as a powerful state, it is involved in all processes, and here these are china it simply ignores, and they... some kind of report will have to be made to the ministry of foreign affairs on this matter, that is, it may happen that the chinese at the level of their representative office in switzerland will raise flags, and we will accordingly say, you see, and chinese friends to joined us, so there may be such an opportunity, another sharer, putin's lukashenko talked to journalists and called on journalists. of belarusians to strengthen propaganda and declared that independent societies and democratic values ​​are only western

talk, let's listen to lukashenka: we must to strengthen propaganda and counter-propaganda and ideological work, i want young journalists to learn this, there is no need to be ashamed of such words and concepts, whether they are not there in the west, they are, they just call it another word pr. that is, work with public opinion, the essence is the same: let them work with public opinion in their territory, here i am watching all this, and you know, i just remember, probably the year 85 or 86, when i was a junior and read , what is that, what or watched on tv, what members of the politburo said there, what should be done with the press, there is a party organization, a party literature, well... they are completely, but this is the worst option, what lukashenko is showing now, this is already, it is not even

funny anymore, and this, well, they are completely, as i understand it, took a course to create a mini-soviet union, a mini-union state, that's clear, but not only a mini-union state, because what they're doing is just a bad remake of the soviet union, isn't it? well, back to the ussr, there are differences between the russian federation and belarus. there is absolutely nothing, that is, they are doing something here, well, even journalists at the event, a pr specialist is, after all, two different professions, and pr specialists usually receive a higher salary, this is so, well, this is how it turned out historically, because it is a slightly different job, but you see, they mix it all up here, it’s no use, what about people who call themselves as journalists, they should be a branch of the press service, well, according to the administration. lukashenko or putin, that is, to sing deferabas, to tell how cool he is, how young he is, how he is getting younger, how

he is becoming more and more experienced, and in general, everyone who is against dictators, that vakrestin should be hanged, destroyed, sent away in the belarusian version, that is, i don't even know what to say here, it's not about the zmi, in this case, thank you, roman, for the conversation, it was roman tsymbalyuk, my colleague. journalist, former vlaskor unian in moscow, a person who has 1200, 1200 subscribers on youtube, friends, we continue to work on the air of the tv channel and on our platforms in youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please , subscribe to our platforms, take part in our voting, today we are you we are asking about this, would you agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, yes no... everything is quite simple, if you have a more extensive answer and goes beyond these two

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zelenskyi hands over his powers to another to the newly elected president, i.e. after the war. let's briefly summarize what ukraine has gained and lost over the past five years under president zelenskyi. good question, we have already discussed it with your colleagues. you know, in fact, simply taking it and stopping at may 20, 2024 will be, well , simply impossible, we will be fooling ourselves in this way, the situation simply remains different. case and i am a supporter of the fact that we evaluate already on the fact, that is why i always say that we should evaluate politicians who are functioning, they have an opportunity to change their attitude towards themselves, both with a plus sign

and with a minus sign, but if we will... talk, then here, you know, there is a certain logical trap, because under zelenskyi’s presidency, ukraine from one on the one hand, it lost about 20%, well, no, not about 20%, somewhere around 12-13% of its territory, because 7% of the territory was lost in 2014, but this is on the one hand, that is, we have to... first of all, to say that this happened as a result of a large-scale invasion of the russian federation, i do not see directly about zelenskyi's guilt, that is, you know that he lost it, that is , we can talk about a complex of various factors, but to blame volodymyr zelenskyi himself, i think, will not be

entirely correct, on the other hand, and here we also have to say, that this is our... joint achievement, ukraine survived in these conditions, that is, to us, even 830 days ago, we were already told by almost everyone that you, as a result of russia's attack on ukraine, you will simply collapse, but ukraine did not collapse, and that too , in my opinion, our common consequence, well, common actions, simply in the conditions of war there is... on the one hand , the concentration of forces, means and powers in the hands of the president is determined by law to a certain extent, on the other hand , there is also a concentration of certain powers that the president, let's say, passes under himself , but i don't know with all

the peculiarities of ukrainian politics that... volodymyr zelenskyi, well, for example, gathered parliamentarians and told them not to vote or do something, right? well, you also follow the political agenda, that is, the choice of, say, passive the positions of the ukrainian parliamentarians are theirs, including the choice of a large part of them, and it is also necessary to talk about this, as far as i understand, well, in any case, it will be in my opinion until... honestly and frankly, that these are politicians who we elected in 2019, and for some reason many of them decided to form parliamentarians, decided to form their powers, it is true, because they decided that it would be better for them now, although in the period from the 19th year they did not think so, but everything was fine with them, well, and

accordingly, well, that is, it is a complex, well, we you know, we... no matter how banal it sounds, we look at zelensky as a mirror of our expectations, our possibilities, and our moment expected that you would write a book about putin's hatred of ukraine, right? yes, beyond doubt, beyond doubt. mr. yevgeny, another story that is very active. pedals putin, illegitimate putin, and illegitimate lukashenko, all these illegitimate dictators of neighboring countries, they pedal the topic illegitimacy of zelenskyi. today once again putin started talking, he suddenly remembered that he once studied at the law faculty, well, by the way, zelensky also studied at the law faculty only in

kryvyi rih, eh, well, well, at least he already has a law degree, and of course, in this situation, a completely logical question arises, but perhaps we should put an end to these legitimacy, illegitimacy, so that these speculations do not exist? maybe it would be right if it was still a decision of the constitutional court, because when the dictators of neighboring countries are there they are trying to play the law, it looks very ugly, because people who have violated the world, world norms, international agreements, the world order in general, suddenly talk about some kind of illegitimacy of zelenskyi, is this decision of the constitutional court necessary in order for, well, no one. .. who didn't try to reproach with illegitimacy? i have only one explanation, a logical one, why the office of the president did not

turn to the constitutional court for a relevant decision, because there was, as i understand it, the danger that the constitutional court would not have a quorum and a situation would arise, when the request will already be there, and accordingly. it will be known, well, you know, as a classic scheme, that the press service of the constitutional court reports that this or that request has been received, but there is no decision, and accordingly russian propaganda would also start to trumpet about it wherever it can, i i will say that zelenskyi is legitimate and... in my understanding, although i cannot, i think, be called a supporter of zelenskyi, but in any case, his powers end with the acquisition of

the powers of the next president, and it is up to you, as a specialist in the modern history of ukraine will also know, because i will remind you of a fact that, it seems, almost everyone has forgotten, after the orange revolution, when there was the third round of presidential... elections, remember, at that time kuchma was also several he overstayed his powers for months, until february, until february 2005, the inauguration, and at the same time it did not bother anyone at all, the truth is, no one said that kuchma was already illegitimate, that let's get out, well, that is, then there was negativity channeled against viktor yanukovych from for obvious reasons, well, the orange revolution, let me remind you... almost 20 years ago, just in the current situation now, when putin and lukashenko are beginning to think about the alleged illegitimacy of zelenskyi, well, this is

madness in fact, and lukashenko has no place to put a brand on him at all, in the case of putin, the situation is a bit more complicated, i would say, because he pedals this topic in order to divert attention from the fact that he himself was elected for the next presidential term, including for 20% of the occupied ukrainian territory, and this definitely not legitimately, however, in any case in our eyes and in the eyes of millions of other ukrainian citizens, it is beyond any doubt, and there is one more point about which i want to say that, accordingly, he pedals it. in order to show that he, he is the president of russia, but what is bad is that our partners from the seven, they actually recognized

putin as the president, well, there were none, that is , i understand that a démarche is possible in the future in the sense that their ambassadors will not hand over credentials, but at that moment the topic will be somewhat... true, well, it will happen in a few months, at best, that is, there was not such an operational reaction, as in principle we all expected, and as you know, the statement of the group of seven regarding the illegitimacy of putin was blocked by none other than anthony blinken, that is, the united states on this, this decision is not are ready for today's moment, they are not ready to talk about illegitimacy'. putin's crowd, because they are obviously afraid of it, and putin, if you look at his statements in the last two or three weeks, he is already repeating the same

thing: illegitimate, there is no one to sign with agreements on peace, he is speculating on this, it means that the political and legal system of ukraine must be determined, and even the russian wikipedia has now written that the president of ukraine is ruslan stepanchuk, that is, they went formally field, formally legal approach, well, that is , we, we we understand how it is done in russian. true, but for me these are all games, and even when the honored lawyer of ukraine starts, i do not know why he was not deprived of this title, how they deprived him of the citizenship of ukraine, the honored lawyer of ukraine, viktor medvedchuk starts talking about the fact that zelensky is not legitimate, then it becomes clear to me, too, when zelensky, zelensky on one side, and putin and medvedchuk

on the other. so which side will you be on? well, this is a rhetorical question, it is absolutely clear that medvedchuk is a state traitor and a person who plays on putin's side and talks about some constitutional norms, well, that's it , in general, there's not even anything to say here, as actually about putin too, here the only question is how the ukrainian authorities should show it to poke everyone in the nose that there is a decision of the constitutional court and... there are no problems, although, well, you are right that there was such a story with leonid kuchma, and i remember very well, precisely this year 2004-5, i think , something in the 20s, it seems that yushchenko was sworn in in february, if i am not mistaken, or in january, and it seems in january, in january, yes, in january it is his birthday in february, everything is correct, but look, but putin... was convinced,

if we talk about the current war, about the great war, putin was convinced that ukraine will not join nato for at least 30 years, and it became known that scholz spoke with him, and he spoke about this before this great war, and about that meeting with putin that scholz spoke about at the democracy festival in berlin, let's listen to this fragment, because it is a very interesting synchronicity. by the way, he then called the reason for war the fact that ukraine is on its way to nato. i told him, you know, it's not expected in the near future, probably in the next 30 years. i have said this publicly, but he insists on this reason. mr. yevgeny, ot then scholz said that ukraine will not join nato for at least 30 years, and why now

the alliance cannot... clearly define the terms when ukraine can become a member of the north atlantic alliance, or publicly at the washington summit not to invite ukraine to nato in order to to put all the dots of hope that putin's entire policy is for containment or the main argument why this great war started, because the alliance is expanding, and to simply put a checkmate on putin. you know, you can quote another prime minister here estonia. she said that it is the fear of russia that prevents us from helping ukraine in full, and i think this is the truth, and the truth is as it is, and accordingly, this truth should be perceived precisely in such ways, another fact is that at the moment ... let's say, the submission

of ukraine's application to join nato, for many western politicians, this is, well, let's say yes, no, not such an issue that is constantly on the agenda, and they, they went to the elections without anything the question, they didn't, they didn't have in their campaign portfolio an answer to... the question, should there be ukraine is a member of nato. let's be honest, we didn't have a final, definitive answer to this question until two years ago, did we? because ukraine submitted the application in response to holding an illegal referendum on their accession to russia in our occupied territories. that is, we initially had a trend exclusively of european integration, no one in...