the truth should be perceived precisely in this way. another fact is that at the time of, say, the submission of ukraine's application to join nato, for many western politicians, this is, well, let's say, not such an issue that is constantly on the agenda. and they, they went to the elections without any question, they did not... in their pre-election portfolio , there was no answer to the question of whether ukraine should be a member of nato. let's be honest, we didn't have a final, definitive answer to this until two years ago question, right? because ukraine submitted the application in response to holding an illegal referendum on their accession to russia in our occupied territories. that is, we

initially had a trend exclusively of european integration, no one in principle talked about the prospects of rapid accession to nato. and i am in favor of abandoning the so-called danish principle, well, such an anniversary principle that if nato is 75 years old, then we will definitely be given a piece of candy, well, in the form of a decision to invite ukraine to nato. it works a little differently for them, they. they didn't have you know, the one to attend the meeting of the 75th anniversary of the north atlantic alliance, right? they look at it, i would say, more pragmatically, and accordingly, i think the key lies in internal changes, to really work and show what we are and... why our value, i don't see unfortunately,

from ukraine, from the ukrainian leadership, communication of the thesis that without ukraine both european and euro-atlantic integration will not be complete, both in view of the size of our country and in view of the experience of confrontation with the russian federation. these are the things we have communicate as actively as possible. well, this is absolutely clear, and we will of course wait for the washington summit to see what it will bring us. meanwhile, on may 28, zelensky signed a bilateral security agreement with belgium a day earlier with spain, today it became known that belgium will deliver 30 f-16 fighter jets by the 28th year, belgian prime minister alexandre de creux announced this. let's hear what he said. these f-16 aircraft will be provided

to ukraine as soon as possible. our goal is to deliver the first aircraft by the end of 2024. all that provided by this agreement, it is very clearly stated in it, it is for use by the defense forces of ukraine on ukrainian territory. mr. yevgeny, 30 seconds remain on the air, will we have f-16 planes or not? i honestly hoped there would be more. by the way, oleksandr dekro spoke about this, but now, well, there are literally a few days left, but nadiya will die anyway, except at night from may 31 to june 1. thank you, mr. yevhen, it was yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics. friends, we we work live on the tv channel and conduct polls, today we are asking you about the following: would you agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, intermediate.

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survey. today we are asking you about the following: would you agree to the presence of western troops in ukraine, meaning the troops of our western partners? yes, no, on youtube everything is quite simple, if you are in front of the tv and watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote: yes 0800 211 381, no 0800-211-382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program and we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's studio, they are people's deputies of ukraine, yulia klymenko from the voice faction, the first deputy head of the parliamentary committee. on transport and infrastructure issues. ms. yulia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. we, mykyta poturaev, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, chairman of the committee on humanitarian and information policy of the verkhovna rada of ukraine,

vice-president of the osce parliamentary assembly. mr. nikita, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. and oleg senyutka, people's deputy of ukraine from european solidarity, chairman of the subcommittee. on issues of ensuring the activities of people's deputies of ukraine, mr. olezh, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you. so ladies and gentlemen, since we we ask our viewers and tv viewers what they think about the presence of the troops of our western partners in ukraine, and it would seem that we are asking a rhetorical question, but we see that we do not have one hundred percent support for this issue, so in the format of a blitz survey. very briefly, what do you think, and whether or not you would agree to the presence of the troops of our western partners in ukraine, because this topic has been discussed for, it seems, the third month, if i am not mistaken, let's start with ms. yulia, well

, i think that options, if we have them the possibility of the presence of western troops, we can only welcome this. thank you, ms. yulia, mr. alezh. yes, of course, because we are moving towards nato, and we are convinced that we will reach the time when, together with our allies, we will resist any aggressive actions. first of all from the side of muscovy, and i am convinced that the parliament, the verkhovna rada, namely the decision of the parliament necessary for such a presence of western troops, nato troops on the territory of ukraine, will definitely vote and such a decision will be supported. thank you sir oleg, mr. nikita, well, i honestly don't know why to hesitate here, certainly, this presence is desirable, it has been desirable for a long time, it has been desirable since the 20th. year in various manifestations, it can be

land forces, it can be air forces, well, there is a place to help us and there is someone to help us and what to help us with? and i am definitely convinced that if there is a real desire, not a declaration, a real desire, then the verkhovna rada supports such a decision. thank you, mr. nikita. thank you ladies and gentlemen for being very brief and to the point answers let's start our main topics, this issue itself, and we have three of them. let's start with the first one - this is the use of western weapons on the territory of the russian federation, president zelenskyy called on the partners to make a decision that would allow preemptive attacks on points. many leaders. states and international organizations, public figures,

expressed sympathy for ukraine and kharkiv condemned russian terror, and it is important that such condemnation leads to completely fair consequences, so that finally we have enough anti-aircraft systems for protection of ukraine, our cities, and that the partners have sufficient determination to ... preemptively protect against russian terrorists, as they would attack any other terrorists, destroying them before they start destroying lives. mrs. yulia , please tell me, the question here is only the determination or indecision of our western partners, or are there any, maybe other motives, when our western partners, well, try not to give a direct answer that... ukraine can use their weapons in strikes on the territory of russia? well, i think here

rather, there are only two questions that the western partners are asking themselves: will the escalation of the war continue and in what form will it be, that is , the use of western weapons that are long-range and that are accurate enough, everyone is worried so that we do not use them against the kremlin and moscow , and... and the question is whether we will use it not only for, for example , the destruction of russian warehouse and logistics chains there, as well as for attacks on the accumulation, including the leadership of russia, who are actually the main criminals and who led to this war, so that's one question and the second question, whether it was used. becomes, shall we say , in response to our used

weapons, russia's nuclear weapons. i think that this is the issue that worries our partners the most, since the kremlin has more than once threatened the whole world to use nuclear weapons against ukraine and not only against ukraine. therefore, the question is whether to use either tactical or strategic nuclear weapons. i , after she will understand that the ukrainian troops reach the heart of dracula in the kremlin, or cause significant damage to the russian troops and logistical, but mr. oleg, what do you think, in this story, of course, there are arguments, fears, the world is afraid of nuclear weapons? putin and medvedev understand that the world is constantly afraid in the information field,

they bring this topic into the information field that we will now use nuclear weapons, but if we draw analogies between what happened in the second world war, when the western partners provided the soviet union with weapons, there is already there were no restrictions, they didn't say that you shouldn't shoot at hitler's bunker there, because you can't do that use our weapons. because it will look like we gave the soviet union weapons there, and now you are killing germans on german territory, or are such analogies appropriate and not provocative? do you have similar associations, these restrictions, or this indecision, or the desire, perhaps, in some perspective, to sit down at the negotiating table with moscow and negotiate peace? those dedicated to the secret of diplomacy understand exactly why today it is so difficult for us to get a decision regarding the attack,

with the weapons provided to ukraine by our partners in territory of muscovy, and i am... convinced that we should not blame our western allies today, but does ukraine need such solutions? it is obvious that we need it extremely, because it is a question of our security, it is a question of preempting the many strikes that the muscovites, especially on the territory of kharkiv oblast and sumy oblast, are carrying out today from the territory of the russian federation, therefore it is our joint task, and here we should not divide . on the president, on parliamentarians, on political forces, this is our joint task, and we have demonstrated in the end, at the meeting of the nato parliamentary assembly in sofia, where the leader of european solidarity poroshenko was also present, that we are able to achieve such decisions with joint efforts, because the resolution of the nato parliamentary assembly says that such strikes

are in response to the aggression of the rashists.. . possible and necessary, and this is a very, very important step, i am convinced that just as we have come a long way to get leopards and abrams, to get hymers and long-range missiles for great britain and france, i am convinced that we will get sooner or later, not only the atakamse, that we will also get the german tauros, but really it has to be persistent. very thorough diplomatic work, and there is another question that we must not just ask ourselves, but we must act and act decisively, because in ukraine from 2014 to 2019 there were programs that not only ended the production of neptune missiles, which are sufficiently effective, and which in the future provided for the possibility

of their use not only on sea targets, but also on the system... land, land. it is a pity that in the 19th, 20th, 21st years we stopped funding the ukrainian sapsan program. these are just medium-range missiles. i am convinced that if we had not lost this time, we would have ukrainian medium-range missiles today, which would definitely be capable, just like ukrainian drones, of hitting objects on the territory of muscovy, and no one would then was no longer able to prohibit it, and then on... it would be much easier for us, of course, to talk with our allies and receive from our allies the opportunities that they have today have in their latest military developments. i think that such a starting point will still be the acquisition of

f-16 fighter jets by the armed forces of ukraine, the air force of ukraine, because these are aircraft that are capable of carrying missiles of the class and... air and air are ground, and i am convinced , that together with those planes we will find a consensus of western partners regarding the possibility of attacking objects on the territory of moscow. after all, the statements we heard today from great britain and sweden definitely inspire optimism that the countries in the western world, our partners understand that there is a different way to attack objects, military objects, i want to emphasize, on the territory. it will be simply impossible to stop the enemy, and this is our joint task. thank you, mr. olezh, and mr. nikita, to what extent are the arguments or what mr. sinyutka says about these missile programs, which were somehow transformed in various ways after 2019, how did this affect our

current capabilities, and whether in this situation, when the president quite logically... questions our partners that you will give us permission to strike with your missiles on the territory of the russian federation, whether or not our western partners are talking, listen, well, you also had missiles and had an opportunity, but you did not take advantage of it, did not prepare for war, and in principle, what should be the claims against us, well please let me not say harsh things now, which are too politically incorrect, so, first of all, i want to remind mr. oleg that i know something from dnipro about what is happening at the yuzhny zavod and at kb pivzhne, so nothing . it could not fly there, mr. olezhe, neither in the 18th nor in in the 19th year, in the same way that bohddan could not shoot very well on the kraziv chassis, just

as the neptunes did not fly very well, all this was already brought to a combat state already during the actual invasion, so there is no need, please, well to our fellow citizens, well , to tell, well, a certain different picture from what actually happened, now, as for our partners, mr. serhii, i want to remind you that our partners financed the disarmament of ukraine, systematically financed it, so not exactly, definitely not to remind them, us about something there, because it is for american money was sprinkled on scrap metal airplanes, let me remind you, there was such a small amount, so it was exchanged there for certain there... some mythical debts there for gas, which means they were given to moscow, and the rest was sprinkled with american money, because the americans were interested in that , so that we

don't have airplanes, but is that all there is to it, by no means, because under yanukovych, yes, under yanukovych, but again, with american money, they dusted off a bunch of intake complexes, along with, by the way, missiles, also soviet ones, which... were supposed to carry tactical nuclear charges, yes, tactical nuclear charges were actually stolen from us by russia, even before the signing of the budapest memorandum, but the launchers and the carriers themselves were there, they were dusted in the period from the 10th to the 12th year with american money , so i think that it is precisely the allies who perfectly remember who financed the significant disarmament of ukraine. i will not mention the fact that any modernization of our planes, mig-29s, our dry-aircraft, everything was done by ukraine with its own

money, by the way, and during the presidency of petro oleksiiovich poroshenko, the money that was panulekh won't let me lie, they allocated, somehow financed all this, it was, it was, and it was with peter oleksiiovych too, but exclusively for his own, without any help from the west. now, regarding your question, mr. sergey. then i want to say that, supporting mr. oleh, that there is no need to blame, but one must definitely call a spade a spade, and the question of the use of western weapons on the territory, and whether there against the territory of muscovy, is not a question about weapons and not about their use, it is a question of whether they are going to help us to win the war, because as winston churchill said after... the incredibly successful dunkerque evacuation operation, he said: wars are not won by evacuations, wars are not won

by evacuations, and therefore there is no need, i believe, there is no need to hold back and clearly ask questions in front of our allies, are you honestly saying that you want to help ukraine win, or is this just talk? because i, well, you know, when, when he flies around kharkiv like that, well, again, it's not the first time, it's not the first time, it doesn't mean that we have anything to do with it learn to live, no, we have to tell the whole world, we don't want to live with this, and you tell us the truth, are you going to give us the opportunity to help, and help and win, that means beating the russians in the areas of concentration, wherever they are were not in... in the temporarily occupied kherson oblast, or zaporizhzhia, or in their territories, belgorod, kursk, voroniv oblast, because victory is won only in this way,

everything else, i apologize, is chatter and nothing more, and the question and the answer to it the question is very simple and honest: we have to demand, that's all, well, it's obvious, it's obvious, until the west clearly articulated... that in addition to the fact that they do not want the defeat of ukraine, they are ukrainians, they have to say that they want the defeat of russia, then the emphasis will be absolutely clearly set, and it looks like our western partners say that they do not want ukraine to lose, but at the same time they are not ready for the defeat of russia, that is , they are ready for some kind of hybrid peace, but not for defeat, that is probably the point there is... a big problem, i understand that mr. oleg, you wanted to react, yes to said, of course, because with this respect for the dnipro and the southern kab, i am convinced

that... this is the pride of ukraine, but we must be honest that bohdana, unfortunately or fortunately, has nothing to do with the dnipro, so that the barrels there were produced in another city, the trigger mechanisms in another city, just like the development of neptune, this is also not the development of kb pivdenna, it is the development of a completely different design bureau. well, if we talk about bohdana, then indeed the first copy of bohdana was produced in 2018 . and in 2019 this one the self-propelled artillery installation was supposed to be put into series and actually produced in the syrian version, so it began to be produced in the syrian version, think about it in 2024, and regarding bohdana's qualities, the first time when it was actually used in combat conditions, it was clearing the island of zmiyna from enemies, when

the self-propelled installations on... our western partners could not qualitatively reach the enemy on the snake, and bohdana did it, and she didn't do it in the 24th year, much faster, and therefore to talk about the fact that these are some losses of someone once there, as it has been accused for the past five years, it is definitely incorrect, as for neptune, it so happened that on the southern coast of the country we they just handed over equipment from the petro poroshenko charitable foundation for community affairs to help the division that sunk the cruiser moscow, and had a conversation with the leadership of this division, and with the representatives of the design bureau present there, who actually developed these things, so i would very much like to, for us to be correct, and we really paid tribute to those designers who in the 17th years made,

conducted and indeed already conducted shootings and accepted for use in the armed forces of ukraine, or as it is fashionable to say, put into service, i do not want to mention these dummies , who traveled in order to simply wash their eyes, because this is a completely different story, a story that will definitely be heard after our victory, but we really must pay tribute to those designers, and the military and... politicians who accepted relevant decisions, and we received both bohdanno and neftuna on the eve of a full-scale aggression, and we must honestly say that when there was a big discussion in the parliament regarding the financing of the military program before a full-scale aggression, i would very much not like to return to this discussion in 20-21, when the thesis about the fact that if we finance

the army... we won't have money for asphalt, let's not talk about that today, the conversation today is about how to unite the country and confront the enemy, without a doubt, i support mr. oleg, mr. sergey, i'm sorry, but mr. olesh, you know, i treat you personally, and many in your political power, with respect and correctly, but my memory is not like that of a goldfish, honestly, so i remember and now i can to climb, or mr. serhiy can, or ms. yulia can climb, you? internet and in a minute and a half to find the articles of the 19th year, when the question arose, and it was not put anywhere in the president's office, however , it is necessary to put bohdan on the tatra chassis, you remember that, i think you remember, and what happened , which accusations of corruption, no on krazivskyi, she did not shoot from krazivskyi, i am not saying that nkmz, i know where it was made, mr. oleg, it was made in skudar,

nkmz. you know, i have the impression that once again the predecessors are doing everything, well, you have been in power for five years, well , the audience is just watching us, commenting on it and saying how many people will be called before what they got from spades, five years, received five, poturaev will be objective, and poturaev will say that under poroshenko, they really made a good gun on a bad chassis for krazivsk. with whom she from which she did not fire, and the same one that fired at the shifts was already firing from the tatriv chassis, how many accusations were made by the ministry of defense that it wanted to put it on a normal chassis, and how long it took, i have not forgotten it, and if the audience they forget, so i will remind you, with neptunes, cable, the situation was not so simple either, and the point here is not in dummies, the point is that each rocket must be taught to fly, and yes, mr. oleg, i am convinced.