the government writes to me that the cost of electricity there from an energy atom there is hryvnia 0.7 kopecks, and i quote the latest for the justification for this resolution, the latest government resolution, and the same hryvnia 70 kopecks, that is, the cost price of an energy atom has for some reason increased by 70 kopecks in 2-3 months , you understand, and why they are at 4.8 there is no economic justification, because if you count the cost price, then it is closer to my figure there 3.8 3.9 i am ready to prove it to the government to anyone who has studied arithmetic in high school and i call it today what what is the government trying to do by imposing an energy tax, a military-energy tax on the population, the consumer during the state of emergency in the energy sector of ukraine, and note, i am not saying, well, maybe during a war, the price of war increases, including for the population. but then you need to understand that if

this is a tax, then i want a justification of how much money you want to collect, how you want to use it for restoration, because we are talking, serhiy, about a colossal amount, 35 billion kv per year is consumed by the population, if we are on 2 g1 we are increasing, we are increasing the tariff, yes, this is an additional 74 billion uah, additional? in addition , you and i have to pay 74 billion hryvnias for a year, where are you going to take them, show me, guys, that you are able to spend them somewhere on energy, well , i think, i have a huge doubt that they have appropriate projects, appropriate readiness and appropriate justifications and agreement, well, here it is 100% that it does not exist, well, it is possible and that is why, unfortunately, i want to state that there are more myths, more such scarecrows, that it is necessary to increase all this, whether it will save or not, and i

cannot guarantee, and the prime minister cannot guarantee, and the minister of energy cannot guarantee that this is an increase in tariffs, in the impossibility of disconnection, in the impossibility of limitation, in the impossibility that we will be without electricity, there will be disconnections, and there will be restrictions on too much it's a pity, and that's why , believe me, i'm extremely dissatisfied and confused and i don't accept what's happening now, i'm not a state administration, it's some kind of amateurism that... during the war, well, it, it, it's tragic on a great scale well, probably, mr. oleksiyu, it is connected with monopolization of the energy market, and in fact today we have the number one monopolist - energoa, i hope you understand, it is in electric power, and in gas - it is nak-naftogaz, in energoatom today it is against the background of the fact that the stations were destroyed thermal, and detector, and state and destroyed hydrogeneration, well, it has a lion's share. he

unequivocally occupies a dominant position on the market and in fact i assure you that 90% of the lobbying is from the side of energoatom for this increase, 90%, it is the ministry and energoatom who demand this increase and not without showing us why it is needed, because the justification does not stand up to any criticism, believe me, two pages of very primitive justification. can the current situation in ukraine be saved by this plan, which shmyhal once talked about, that we need 100 or more of these small steam turbines, not a plan, these are general slogans, well, slogans, slogans, slogans, slogans are correct, there is no plan , then i have a question for prime minister shmigal, how many such stations have been installed in the last year and a half, well, they started attack.

to destroy the power system on october 10, 2022 , there was a blackout on november 23, 22 , these are general conversations at the presentation level, absolutely empty gas, you see, and their plan was completely different, they presented their strategies to the gulha. in london, so detached from life, let's build nine nuclear units, come on let's go, it's just you and me, sergey, i'm sorry, i'm sure we won't live to this moment, you understand how much time they have and how much money they need to build these blocks, so there is no plan, there are slogans like this, well, the space is like this, and i it reminds me , by the way, i am not hiding, the infamous 20 for 20 program, a sign of oil and gas, when they promised something, 20 billion cubic meters in the 20th, everything will only be to make

the market price for gas, well, remember what happened in the 16th year , well, they made the market price for gas, no 20 billion, failed everything possible, koboliv and vitrenko earned. money is now going through the courts and nothing, and naftogaz is in losses, naftogaz is in solid losses today, and i have the same situation, with a complete lack of control over the activities of state-owned companies under the name of so -called corporatization, because we recently corporatized energoatom, do you know what corporatization is, it is to cover as much information about the company's activities as possible from the owner, who is theoretically you and me, you understand? you will not receive any information soon from naftogaz not from an energy atom regarding the use of these funds, they will operate with some paradigms, market prices, say what the market prices are in europe and so on and so on. i went through all this, so i'm sorry, i can be emotional, but i explain how

skeptical i am about this decision, although i understand, i'll tell you honestly, i conclude that, in principle, it's probably more money. the energy market is currently lacking, that some kind of increase had to be done according to a completely different scheme, first of all for the wealthy who consume a lot of electricity, you understand when there is consumption of 500, 1000 kv, they have to pay closer to the market price, those who consume 150 kv, i would not bother them at all, because it is for security, you understand, in this situation i would leave them this the old price and so on and the like, but this... was not done, by the way, 100 kw, so ask your friends who fit into these 100 kw hours, i think that no one, 10, well somewhere up to 10 %, this is a lonely pensioner in a one-room apartment, who saves on everything, sits in

the dark, cooks food once a day, without a proper machine, without all these electrical appliances, mr. oleksiy, the end itself is very short, volodymyr kudrytskyi. the chairman of the board of ukrenergo says that the energy system of ukraine can be restored at the expense of investors who can compensate for the damaged capacities in two or three years with the development of green distributed energy, but this will happen under the condition of liberalization of prices on the electricity market, as well as the creation of transparent conditions that would allow investors it is theoretically correct for investments in the energy sector to be purchased, if a full-fledged market really worked here but with a minimum of state regulation, there would be... guarantees for investors, they would enter, and these are sufficiently profitable projects, they pay off in 4-5-6 years, but this primarily leads to market pricing, primarily for the population , and what is market pricing? look at the price of electricity in neighboring poland,

across the border or in slovakia, and the same price is offered here already tomorrow, i will ask mr. kudrytsky to meet, volodymyr, is it real or not, tell me to enter tomorrow. we have the polish price for electricity, well probably so unrealistic, and that's why i come back again, that these are good theoretical slogans, which, unfortunately, have very little to do with reality. and the last thing, serhiy, the last thesis, look, if the government needs money so much to restore the state ukrghydroenergo, the state trypil station, the state zmiiv station, then let them do it all. private joint-stock company, let them issue securities, and i do not rule out that i personally would like to become a shareholder, i think thousands of ukrainians would like to become shareholders ukrainian energy companies, it would be very good, believe me, this is such a strategic

investment, that is, make me a shareholder, i will invest in your company, but why should i rebuild your companies at the expense of the tariff, i do not understand, thank you, mr. oleksiy, for your meaningful conversation, it was... oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine. friends, we continue to work on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube and facebook. let's look at the interim results of our survey. today we ask you about whether putin will dare to use nuclear weapons. so, the results of the interim television survey: 31% - yes and 60%, 69% no. in 15 minutes we will be on the air again with ours. experts, with political experts maksym rozumny and viktor boberenko, news from our partners from the bbc ahead, we will be back on the air, in 15 minutes, stay with espress.

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response? constituent conference. on the first the peace summit regarding ukraine will raise only three questions: will the global forum bring real peace to ukraine? let me remind you that we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there. subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you the following question: will putin dare to use nuclear weapons? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no. write your opinion if it does not have a definite answer in the comments below video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think putin would dare to use nuclear weapons (0800-211-381, no), 0800-211-382. all calls

to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. and we have our experts, political experts in touch. maksym rozumny, doctor of political sciences. mr. maxim, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. and viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis. mr. victor, congratulations. thank you for joining our conversation today. good health to you, glad to see you. so, gentlemen, as we ask our viewers and tv viewers whether they think. they that putin will dare to use nuclear weapons, let's exchange opinions in the format of a blitz poll, what do you think about nuclear weapons and putin, let's start with mr. viktor, please, i think that driven, he once said so himself , as about his life story, that he once saw

a rat that was cornered and it was swimming there on people, by the way, i also had such a case... when i served in the navy, i also saw a cornered rat that swam, well, fought back, er, i think that cornered putin is capable of anything, including for the use of nuclear weapons, but this can only really happen when, well, let's say, there, er, we will knock them out of crimea, from donbas there, or it passes into their territory, this is the first, and the second, there may also be a case of the executor, ok, putin says: i press the red button, but is there a major who is sitting directly in the mine, or he will drop that bomb because he has children and he doesn't want them to die. well, that 's right. thank you, mr. victor. mr. maxim. i would continue this thought. it seems to me that now putin is far from, not in the status of that

rat cornered. on the contrary, how is it not. exactly after, so to speak, such a loud failure and embarrassment of the 22nd year, now putin, his regime, people close to him feel very good and plan to rule in russia for a very long time, that is, the last appointments of the sons of kovalchuk, patroshev, the approach of former governor dumin to kremlin, show. that the regime feels very confident inside russia, and this external situation helps them to control the russians as they are now, so i think that now they are doing their favorite thing, blackmailing, scaring, but realistically, especially if they were warned about the consequences

of the use of nuclear weapons, in reality they are not going to and are not ready to use them. thank you, mr. maxim, the main topic, gentlemen, over the past few days is not the determination of our western partners, and their decision, or not a decision, or a ban on the use of their weapons by the ukrainian army on the territory of the russian federation. to date, fortunately, there are already 10 countries that have formed their position, which said that the armed forces of ukraine can strike with their... weapons on the territory of the russian federation at military facilities, today it became known that poland allowed ukraine to use the weapons that it supplies for attacks on russia, this was stated by the deputy minister of defense of poland. nato secretary general jen stoltenberg called on the allies to lift restrictions on the use of western weapons by ukraine. let's listen to what the secretary general

of the north atlantic alliance said. it is necessary to remember that this is aggressive. war. russia attacked another country. this is a senseless violation of international law. specifically, according to it, ukraine has the right to self-defense, which also includes the right to attack targets outside ukraine, including legitimate military targets in russia. mr. victor, what could be the reasons why our western partners are so reluctant to give permission to use their weapons in strikes on the territory. of the federation, they still keep illusions for themselves that it is possible to come to an agreement with putin, and that too, but the main thing is that it is... after all, fear, especially, as for germany, the fear of their establishment, of putin's bluff, including putin's nuclear blackmail. if

we talk about germany and the states, then there are two different positions, if for the germans, the germans are a pacifist society. after two wars, when the germans wanted to fight and march there, to conquer europe, they calmed down and are now more or less the fathers themselves. russian society in the world, and accordingly scholz and conducts politics, understanding what kind of society he represents, while biden , on the contrary, has a slightly different motive, he is afraid of escalation, because he, after all, as a politician was formed in the conditions of the cold war, when everything was possible, but without hot, you know, there, when it was only possible... to apply sanctions somewhere, to pressure, to pressure, to conduct diplomatic negotiations, somewhere

to help the mujahideen, and others there, who from the ussr fought somewhere, competed all over the world, but if only a little bit without escalation, without crossing the extremes and the very red lines that they are they taught themselves, and that is why they go through them long and hard, well, in the end they will go through. red line, but each time each crossing of the new red line is difficult for them. the united states is, after all, governed by a cold war-era politician. mr. maksym, what are the consequences of indecision, what consequences can there be for the same western europe or for the united states of america, that is, this delay with this decision and the desire to outline some red lines that... ukraine should not cross, well, under during the second world war, the soviet union was given weapons, they were not told not to hit hitler's bunker in germany, that is

, there were no such prohibitions, yes, such prohibitions, they look quite strange, and uh, well, at least from a moral point of view point of view is definitely not justified, but i suspect that we are dealing with such a ... specific situation, which is not spoken about out loud, but which has already been repeatedly hinted at by our western partners, including publicly that even at the beginning of the war , well, about this full-scale one wars, between the west and putin and russia were established, well, let's call it that, red lines, that is, certain restrictions were established. which, behind which are certain threats and threats, they say, you do not allow yourself

something, and we do not allow ourselves something else, as far as i understand, russia has promised not to use nuclear, chemical and biological weapons against ukraine, against the armed forces, against population, but we understand that nuclear weapons are not... just a missile at washington, this is also a tactical charge on some bunker near kyiv, but surely something to someone promised, the americans to the russians, the russians to the americans, and here they are trying to keep this gentleman's agreement, if you can say so with a robber, and behave in this way, on the other hand. year, if we say when these red lines will be crossed, when it becomes disadvantageous for one of the parties, when one of

the parties is forced, or actually of its own free will, for its own gain, these red lines will be crossed, as far as the western , so to speak, parts of the treaty, obviously they are not... not ready to allow a military defeat of ukraine, well, in this particular case, it is the breakthrough of the front, the occupation of large ukrainian territories, and so on, the granting of permission to strike with long-range, accurate weapons at concentrations of russian troops, this is a preventive measure that allows this danger to be reduced, and if it occurs, and if putin promised not to take over ukraine anymore and... but will try to do it, i think we will be allowed to destroy his strike groups. well, by the way, putin responded to stoltenberg's calls

to allow western weapons to be used. on the territory of russia threatened to strike at small countries of europe let's hear what he said. representatives of nato countries, especially in europe, especially in small countries, they must realize what they are playing with. they should remember that these are, as a rule, states with a small territory and a very dense population. this is a factor that they should have on... this is the rhetoric of such a st. petersburg goblin who tries to blackmail everyone and is guided by principle, he once talked about this publicly, by the way , he said that if a fight is inevitable, then you have to be the first, well, roughly , it looks like he is now and

uses this... rhetoric and behavior, what this behavior can lead to, that he can just get in the jaw like any goblin, well, i think he just balances his words and knows that he just in the jaw no one will give it, and that's why he says it every time in the mode there, like , be afraid of me, i'm stupid, i'm a damn fool, i'm contused, everything. be afraid, i 'm going to break down now, it's all khan, of course, you don't need to be afraid, because it's just a bluff and blackmail, he really behaves like a gopnik, and the gopnik should be charged yes, eh surrender, and not be guided by his words, because actually these are only words, but it worked, it worked many times and for years, this, well, that is , this method worked, and that is why he uses it

as long as it works. at least a little, he works less and less, less and less people, but the same macron is already declaring there that your, your words are historic, we will find our words, there will be our threats to your threats, that's why many politicians have stopped to be afraid, but as long as there is even a little bit of behavior, they will do it, putin will use this method, it works, you already mentioned macron, and macron said about... that during the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi to normandy next week , the plan for the possible deployment of french military instructors in ukraine will apparently be revealed, and macron commented on the previous statement of the chief of the armed forces of ukraine oleksandr syrskyi and said that , that the communication on the part of the head of the armed forces was not very successful. let's hear what macron said. i have an opportunity when president

zelensky next... week will go to france on the occasion of the day where, to receive him, and then we will talk about it in great detail to announce what we are going to do. i will not comment on what were inconsistent and failed communications. mr. maksym, why is it obvious to our western partners that ukraine should not lose in this war, and it is not. it is obvious that russia must lose this war. i think that for them, i hope that it is obvious to them that russia must lose this war, but they imagine this progress a little differently than we do. that is, for them , russia is already losing, for more than two years russia loses and loses, loses and loses.

unfortunately, this is happening against the background of such losses of ours, as in kharkov, as our daily losses at the front, but politics is such a cynical business, and when the losses of a foreign country or a foreign people can, so to speak, not to ignore them, to perceive them as reality, there is such an approach in politics, in international politics, as realism, it is called, this realism, it... works in this case and uh, they are leading russia to defeat, as they it seems, uh, and that's what everyone is for the means are used not only, so to speak, uh, a possible offensive or liberation of the territory, by the ukrainian, ukrainian army, but as for this statement, and what kind of miscommunication there is, well, the point is that it is obvious that...