the story is roughly the same as when nazi germany entered france and its part of the old generals assumed responsibility and allegedly announced there that we were signing an agreement with nazi germany on the surrender of france, france was divided into two parts, this this is the option russia was preparing for ukraine and... certain circles of old, old, even generals were ready to go for this cooperation, fortunately, nothing came of it, not for them, not for the russians, and the only thing that i, what, what, what i regret , that, this information remained in the materials of the investigation, not even the investigation, but materials, such as operational materials, and she did not get her, well...

her glare, because i would like to look into the eyes of those monsters who were going to divide ukraine and take over functions of the junta. thank you, mr. general, there is another important question regarding russian information and psychological special operations, they relate, in particular, to the situation on the belarusian-ukrainian border, because, as reported by the center for countering disinformation at the nsdc, russia is on the prowl. to convince ukrainians of the possibility of opening new front from belarus, how likely is such a scenario? he is generally unbelievable, it is fantastic, as long as lukashenko is in power, one cannot expect an offensive from that side, not because lukashenko is so gentle towards ukraine, but because it is simply economically unprofitable for him, roughly speaking, he understands that the entry of belarus into war, he can... not have more than 50,000 troops

plus 50,000 security forces that may be there in the second, third echelon, 100,000 is nothing, it is an opportunity there, i don’t know, capturing one populated place there or one ukrainian district, but these are such huge losses and safe for him, this could be an opportunity from the side of ukraine to kill them now. this enterprise of the oil refining complex in the first place, this is also the possibility of our belarusian comrades in arms entering the territory of belarus and starting a guerrilla war in their rear, and this is destabilizing the situation in belarus itself, when the coffins will go there, it is not russia that perceives any what number, this is belarus, it is mentally closer to ukraine, and they ask, he says, why are we fighting with ukraine and what are these rough things for? in our villages, that's why

lukashenko understands all this very well, and he will drag it out until the end. the last thing he did against the background of all the efforts to persuade him to participate in the war, he allowed a recruiting company on the territory of belarus for former military personnel who served in the security forces or in the army to recruit into the armed forces of the russian federation. and he allowed it, he is the one who actually recruits openly, there are also involved official, not formally, but involved official belarusian forces, that is, this is the only one, on that he has now agreed, everything else is a fantasy, there is no strength, no means, no opportunity, mr. general, last week in the verkhovna rada some of the deputies who are part of the european union. of solidarity and voice insisted

that the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopt in the second reading a bill on the activities of the moscow church in ukraine, as mykola knyazhytskyi, one of the initiators of the ban on the russian orthodox church in ukraine in filia, says that there is an influential group of sympathizers of the russian orthodox church in the parliament churches, and they do all in order not to pass this bill. let's listen to what knyazhytsky said. the law does not in any way limit the freedom of religion, it only requires breaking ties with the church, which calls for the destruction of all of us and has declared a holy war on us, because of this it is no longer a church, but just such a satanic, putin sect, and the law only offers this, simply break these ties, then they will be able to serve absolutely peacefully, but they are strong, and the fact that the law is not passed indicates that within ukrainian society, if on our borders, our heroines... who in society have politicians who

let them in, open the door for them and don't let them walk out that door, and these politicians don't let it be put to a vote, because the majority faction, the leadership of the majority faction, is afraid of a split in the faction. because some people, as i have already said, are patriotic, want to vote for it, some do not want to, and they are trying to delay the consideration of this bill as much as possible. mr. general, over the past two years we have repeatedly talked with you on the air about the necessity restrictions on the activities of the branch of the russian orthodox church, and this draft law has been hanging for six months after the first reading, several months, six months ago it was voted on. in your opinion, what can move in this story with the existence of this church or the reformation of this church, or, let's say, a proposal to those who are guided to join other churches there to protect ukraine from the influence of the russian

orthodox church on the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate? i think there are a few points, the first point is that as far as the verkhovna rada is concerned, it is exclusively for... publicity, that is, it is necessary to simply start collecting signatures regarding the introduction of this draft law for the second reading, and when the names of those who signed this will be published every day or every week, and 150 votes are needed, i think that if the signatories are signed and there are those that they refused, and so and so write, he says, this one refused, this one signed. this has eluded signature, and it will be much the same situation as it once was before the possibility of johnson's resignation in the united states senate, you know, when publicity gave its driving force, it

as far as the verkhovna rada is concerned, only this way, then we will clearly know who is on the side of light, who is on the side of darkness, although we already know the names of those deputies, and... as for society, here i think that unity is not needed , it is so, society is disturbed by the things that are happening in, connected with this activity of this pseudo-religious sect, what they create, how they behave, and you know, it must be clear that the government's reaction is needed, and it must be quite so tough, like, for example, in the country. in baltics, where they clearly said, they pointed to the place of this church, and the only thing that really needs to be done, i agree with the nuances of the law, is that not all believers can be included there, this applies

first of all to klire, who is actually in the agent apparatus of the fsb of the russian federation and is forced or willing to perform. does with joy do what they tell them, and it must be borne in mind that if we take careless steps, our enemies will take advantage of this and will also rebuke, well, in the same way , show that, look at the persecution orthodox, persecution of christians, as it was in the states, there lobby structures spread lies, so everything must be clearly said, no, no persecution of believers, but simply... a ban on the activities of church structures that are connected to the aggressor country. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, this was viktor yagun, the general of the security service of ukraine in the reserve. friends, we continue our conversation

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glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. let's start our conversation, mr. volodymyr, with this topic, which is already unfolding literally before our eyes, with the permission of our western partners. to blows of the ukrainian army on the territory of the russian federation, as the new york times writes, the president of the united states of america, joe biden, is getting close to changing his position and giving. allowing ukraine to strike russian territory with american weapons, at the same time, according to anthony blinken, the united states secretary of state, the biden administration can tolerate ukrainian military strikes on russian territory, as washington will adapt and adjust its position depending on the situation on the battlefield . let's listen to what he said pancakes and did not allow strikes outside of ukraine, but ukraine must make its own

decisions about the best way to defend itself effectively, and we will make sure that it has the means to do so. our support to ukraine over the past two years has been adapted to changing conditions. the battlefields are changing, as what russia is doing has changed in terms of how it escalates aggression, we have also adapted and ... adapted and i'm sure we will continue to do so. mr. volodymyr, what are our westerners afraid of? partners, avoiding direct, direct permission to ukrainians to strike on the territory of russia? they are afraid of reality. and the reality is that when russia started using iranian shaheda drones against ukraine, and then north korean munitions, including... with ballistic missiles, it means that the war has moved to a completely different stage, and any

limitations on ukraine's defense capabilities , should be removed, because russia itself has internationalized this conflict, this war, and uh, basically, the western world uh-uh should to understand once and for all that russia does not understand any other language except the language of power. to date,... already 13 countries have allowed ukraine to use their weapons against russia, these are france, lithuania, latvia, estonia, sweden, finland, denmark, norway, poland, the czech republic, great britain, canada and the netherlands. the minister of foreign affairs, melanie jolie, is a canadian minister, and she says that ukraine can strike at the territory of russia with weapons that are produced, that were transferred, or rather, by canada. let's hear what she said. we believe that in this matter you need to be ahead, because

there are no red lines in russia. we must be sure that when it comes to the defense of ukraine, we are ready to help them and show that, despite everything, we are on their side. canada does not have any conditions for supplying weapons to ukraine, so we will continue to work with the armed forces of ukraine. mr. volodymyr, how are these doses. will change the nature of the russian-ukrainian war and will they give preference to the ukrainians under the current conditions, given the fact that our western partners have sufficiently serious, serious weapons, which will allow to strike there 300-400 km deep into the russian federation. the most important problem of the ukrainian troops was, first of all, strikes from the territory of the russian federation on peaceful ukrainian cities, and ha this is a particularly tragic story and the sum is no less tragic, therefore

, first of all, an adequate response must be given due to the task of strikes from the territory of belgorod region or kursk region or oryol region or voronezh region or from rostov region must be hit in these territories, we will not achieve this with only ukrainian drones, all the more so. that the russians would safely accumulate huge forces on the border with ukraine, and we very often do not have enough means to reach their centers of concentration of equipment and manpower, the most important thing now is to break such long-range logistics that reach more than 100 km, and this will essentially collapse. the russian front, since the shoulder of the delivery of ammunition will be too large, most importantly, we need

resources that would break the railway junctions on the territory of russia in the regions adjacent to ukraine. to that, to this decision, which must be made by washington, including, because this our main partner in the russian-ukrainian war, and it is clear that a lot will depend on biden's decision, on the biden administration , including for... our other partners who are part of the conditional oremstein group, which helps ukraine, until that moment , putin is trying to take advantage of the situation and still disperse. this topic of the special operation under the conditional name maidan-3, about which general budan once spoke, that is , putin himself begins to speak and pedal the topic of zelensky's illegitimacy, begins to shake the situation inside ukraine, is trying to shake up, why do you think they need this topic now, to

convince our partners at the global peace summit that in... they are sitting at the table with an illegitimate president, to strike at zelensky and say: listen, he is an illegitimate president, therefore, in principle, we can use our weapons, hit the president’s office there, or another story, or zelensky is an illegitimate president, so there is no one to talk to at all, and let’s take out the legitimate yanukovych, who is not i sat for one and a half... well, firstly, putin is not an unelected leader, he is not the leader of the country, he is a usurper, secondly, zelensky is illegitimate from putin's point of view only because putin does not give, because of his aggression, because of the war, he does not give opportunities for ukrainians to hold elections,

i remember ukrainians very well, well, they understand cause-and-effect relationships, not putin. evaluate the legitimacy of zelenskyi, first of all, evaluate this legitimacy for ukrainians. ukrainians still understand that there are contradictions in the constitution, but to wage another war during the war, because i want to remind you, after all , the election is a small war, and in this sense we do not need an additional shock during the war, but i am surprised why zelensky... during this time did not take the counter steps that society needs , it means a coalition government, it means, well , maybe even a government of national salvation, as petro poroshenko called it, because our parliament has already sat, although there is very clearly no legislative conflict in the parliament, but there

really is a conflict around the president . but objective reasons, i.e. the war, do not give an opportunity to hold elections, but zelenskyi still needs to come to his senses and stop his usurpation, at least unblock more or less freedom of speech, which is what zelenskyi's partners, in particular, the ambassadors of the great seven , have been telling him about for the third year , to return patriotic tv channels to t2 broadcasting. well, in the end, to be blamed for an absolutely thievish and lying single telethon, which, in essence, is no longer perceived by society, people turned away from him at such expenses for a marathon, the effect of his activity is zero. you are talking about the threats that

our partners are talking about to zelenskyi, because we know that the report of the state department for the 23rd year just... said that some journalists suffer from persecution, that tv channels are turned off from t2 , in particular espresso, the fifth in a row, and now another story is literally unfolding before our eyes, the story with ukrinform, when the person who headed ukrinform, oleksiy matsuka, is the person who was appointed as the general director of the ukrainforum on the initiative of the office of the president of ukraine , came there worked there for a short time, worked there for six months, and now the scandal unfolds literally before our eyes, when the employees of this state agency talk about the existence of secret agents, about the fact that there are certain instructions, how to work, with whom to work,

now on the screen are our viewers can view these documents, which were sent out on behalf of the director general of ukrinform to the office, which is located all over ukraine, and these documents, these papers, they are very reminiscent of the era of medvedchuk, kuchma, the beginning of the 2000s, that is, we have already passed 24 years since period, and now i see the same story with the prisoners again, because i witnessed how this whole story with the prisoners unfolded then, as the journalists protested. how they appeared later in 2004, representatives of various channels repented on the maidan, when there was an orange revolution, but this story is repeated again, why... mr. volodymyr, this story is regularly repeated with the temniks, is civil society in ukraine so weak that it constantly whoever

is in power tries to somehow use the situation and create comfortable conditions for himself, well, at least from the state media. mr. serhiy, if we objectively evaluate such an informal majority in the parliament, then it is the majority of the former party of regions. and the youth members of the party of regions, that is, the servant of the people is really the youth group, the youth organization of the party of regions, and the opzj are the heirs of the party of regions, they vote together, and all the ancestral stains of the party of regions, which were laid in the early 2000s, have now manifested themselves in in all its beauty, so to speak, dungeons are generally such a black spot, and now against the background of the fact that in... ukraine there is an agreement on association with the european union, where ukraine undertakes not to create state media. with the arrival of zelenskyi, the bank slandered a whole pack

of low-effective, expensive, state-owned media, which are simply, on which money is simply stolen, finances are eroded, in return the audience is lost and failed, international, international platforms about failed completely, remember. at least the story with the kakhovskaya hpp, it was an event where you could build a super effective information bomb, so to speak, under the aggressor, all this failed, instead, the country consumes huge, well , devours huge funds for a single telethon, and in fact creates, well, such a servile servile media, a servile media outlet that serves only... the ruling party and zelensky personally, we see in the column, who should not be mentioned when covering events, and we see the list of parties freedom,

european solidarity, power of communities there, well , there they are written platform of communities, but european solidarity, as we can see, is actually blocked, the funniest thing is that even deputies of regional councils were not allowed, yes so to speak, to include their synchronicities in media reports is absolute savagery, and it is an anti-european policy, it has been talked about for a long time, all those approaches to the media sphere, i want to remind you that what matsuka did is censorship, it, it completely falls under the concept of the legal concept of censorship, as you know, censorship in ukraine is prohibited by the constitution, i would like to remind you that censorship was introduced long ago in 2000

. talking about politicians politicians were generally taboo there, but also objectionable political scientists as a whole. tabooed, so to speak, and here we have a story when, on the one hand, zelenskyy, by inertia, like a lizard's fist shakes and continues to say that we are going to europe, well, the western, western european partners really want to see ukraine in europe, but the actions, the real actions of the authorities are anti-european, anti-european, now the nato summit is expected, and of course... there was even a shameful warning for ukraine that just don't worry about granting nato membership on

the washington anniversary summit, well, because you have to look at the state of the state, and the state of freedom of speech and the rule of law, and all this does not meet any criteria of either the european union or nato, but zelensky is not going to make any changes... he continues to crush, so to speak, these are markers of europeanness in ukrainian society, and it reminds me very much of the tragic history of georgia, now there is something like a sketch of the new maidan, we recall that the georgian rose revolution started the chain of democratization of the post-soviet space, and georgia has reached the point where it needs to start a new... revolution, do you think we can go the same way, if possible briefly, yes, unfortunately, unfortunately, every, every day of the stay of zelenskyi and this

majority... in power pushes ukraine's european perspective away, well, but not only zelenskyi shapes ukrainian politics and the agenda of ukrainian society, because we understand that many people are now with the armed forces, and in principle, these are the most active people in ukraine, let's say, those people , who always went to the maidan as well understand why they are there now and they understand that they will not just give the country to someone who wants to be er... authoritarian or a person who will usurp power? this is true, but the desire of the bank to somehow exclude these people from political life is obvious, it is even worth listening to the statements of andriy yermak that in the army it is necessary to keep people in the army for a couple of years so that they do not return to civilian life, and you think that it is possible, well, they... they hate to do it,

but only when the hostilities, political actions, stop life will return, to the credit of european solidarity, last week it still renewed the blocking of the tribune, i.e. it is essentially the renewal of full-fledged parliamentary life, or in other words, the return of the subjectivity of the parliament in ukraine. thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr tsybulko, a political analyst. as a people's deputy of ukraine of the fourth convocation, friends, throughout our broadcast we conducted a survey and asked you about the following: do you understand the reasons for a possible increase in electricity prices, about this they have been talking about the increase for the last week and today at the meeting of the government they should have considered this issue, but they did not come to this issue or postponed the adoption of this decision, so 23% of our television audience say that the reason for the increase is possible.

electricity prices are understandable to them, and 77% say that they are not, well, obviously communication between the authorities and ukrainians is needed in order to explain why electricity tariffs can actually change during the war and to explain the reasons, other than those reasons that are of course due to the war and the destruction of ours capacities friends, i will put an end to this, i wish you all good health, i will see you tomorrow, this was the verdict program under serhiy rudenko, goodbye, there are moments when the body quickly loses fluid, which can lead to dehydration , when ordinary water is not enough. rheo - water for special medical purposes.

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