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oleksienko butyrska, an expert on east asian issues and a master's degree in foreign policy. mrs. natalya, we are glad to see you. greetings, greetings to your viewers. madam natalya, we have news that china refused to participate in the peace summit in switzerland. what it is means or is china showing whose side it will be on now? well, in fact, china has long shown whose side it is on, only we tried on our side somehow... on china, so that it, as a supposedly neutral party, which it calls itself, after all, it should maintain some kind of balance in the relations between ukraine and russia, that is, it is clear that china did not do this, and for example, let's look at the number of meetings, the number of conversations, the daily drinking of a neutral country with putin, and this attempt was made only once to talk with volodymyr zelenskyi, which was made under pressure from western countries. well

, this neutrality is simply very limited, but nevertheless, ukraine made a lot of attempts with its limited political and diplomatic resources in order to involve china in the peace formula, in the global summit, because it is logical that ukraine wanted and wants to make a large international platform, who would defend the interests of ukraine, the interests of a fair peace for the country attacked by russia, however... from the first day, china did not recognizes russia as an aggressor and is more and more on russia's side, and these elements are very, very obvious now, because it is not only economic support, but it is already dual-purpose goods, and now there is also serious work of a diplomatic nature to erode ukrainian make an effort in this peace summit, because behind the scenes, behind the shoulders, china is making its alternative...

the alternative is such a proposal to other countries on which it has influence, primarily from the global south, such as brazil, the republic of south africa, well, i already i am silent, for example, about the central asian countries that are under the influence of russia, but on the other hand, china, if it participated, it would become a beacon for these countries to some extent, because they are also balancing between these two giants in their diplomacy , in its own way. in its stay, that is, at the moment, if china has decided for itself, then the ukrainian political community should also change its attitude to what role china plays, we should stop then, in this case , singing curtseys towards china, because we we provide too many tools for him, and accordingly, for example, with the news that china refused to participate in the...

peace memorial, we also read the news from lavov, who says that china may hold a joint peace conference for of russia and ukraine with the involvement of their civilians. positions, in this way we can seriously fall into the trap of china, because its peace proposals and what it offers is open aid and support of russia. you know, by the way, if you just read the headlines, even the last ones two years without exaggeration, where somehow kyiv communicates with washington, one may get the impression that washington is not our key ally, and almost not russia's key ally. recently, for example, the last example is president zelensky, who said that if biden does not come to switzerland, then moscow will applaud this and so on, he did not say that if qi jingping does not come to switzerland, then moscow will applaud this , and by the way, i don’t know, but the washington post in

its recent publication writes that one of the officials, high-ranking unnamed the white house called this atmosphere in the office of the president. zelensky is paranoid that kyiv sees in everything a trick, the treachery of our american allies, on the other hand, we know that even danilov oleksiy's careless joke actually cost him his position, at least it became the last straw or the excuse of the secretary of the national security council, when he called lihuey a special representative of the prc, named it's in the english transcription, what does this and that, that and that have to do with, i don't know if such double standards are established in beijing or beijing and to and to washington, first of all, regarding washington, it is so obvious that

washington is our main partner, washington is the leader of our support, because when washington is out of the game for a certain time, we see with you. we have some technical problems with the internet, now we will try to redial the satellite, which has already started to shake, that is, as for the united states, it is obvious that the delays with support, the fact that internal political games have begun, they have very seriously undermined our capabilities as well, and they seriously blown up in general. trust because inside of the country, many questions also began to appear about what policy the united states will build, whether it is ready to support us? that is, it is obvious that certain, let's say, criticism, perhaps it is connected with the fact that, after all, the help of china, the help

of the united states, the support of the united states and biden, in particular, is very important, and it is leadership, but i am with you i agree that to a certain extent, probably uba'. not to change china's policy and this is a very naive aspiration, because in more than two years it is already clear that it is impossible to change china's support for ukraine, but still too a lot of praise is given to china, thus giving him the tools of influence, as if he is really a neutral player who can participate in the peace process, because he, well, the chinese say so, because he has good relations. the same with ukraine, with russia and with other players, but is it really so, does he really have good enough relations with kiev, such as with russia, to claim neutrality, no, and obviously our flirtations are public from the side of the ukrainian authorities, they add to him

that confidence and too many elements of influence, and therefore after china refuses to participate, even at the level of special representative liuhui, and actually engages in this peacekeeping activity and entered with various visits, after all, to maintain china's neutrality, he should send this country, but it is obvious that china has chosen the side of russia, and from this moment ukraine must completely change its attitude, and it must be expressed in the fact that both ukraine and western partners must give signals to china that its support for russia will have a price for him... it is important, and those first sanctions introduced by the united states of america and those tough political statements are already the way to that, and in this case , the ukrainian politicians should also not play, not balance now between china and europe, still decide, because europe,

the united states and the west are our only partners, with the help of which we can really achieve a just peace. as far as china is concerned, we have to let... it understand that after this moment its peace plans, peace proposals are not neutral and they play in the hands of russia, and these are not just simple words, for example, what am i saying, let's see together. statement that was signed by putin and sydzenpin, and there they have a whole section that deals with russia's war against ukraine, which is called the crisis in ukraine. and, unfortunately, from this entire text of theirs, the need to observe the sovereignty and independence of each country fell out. about, this is the first point of the peace proposals. instead, it is said that the ukrainian crimea. the fundamental causes must be removed, and china confirms the russian view that the symptoms

it is impossible to cure, you need to choose the causes, this is about what, this is about repeating russia's narrative that the alleged expansion of nato forced russia to wage this war and that in all peace-making processes russia should talk to the west and the west should provide russia with guarantees. there, which are related to its security and take into account its security interests, and under this china signs, so i think that it is not in our interests to attract such capabilities to china and give it elements of influence as an important peacemaker, because in this case we are absolutely then subject to under russian aspirations, russian desires that will advance with the help of china. the washington post writes that... china was ready to transfer weapons to russia, but after a conversation with biden, and biden convinced,

so to speak, forced xi jinping to change his mind about doing this, what could be the arguments and how should we perceive it? well, in fact, we only have information with you, yes, so we can say that after without confirmation from the officials of china, we cannot the united states of america, we cannot there until... this to think whether it was so or not, but the fact that the united states of america and our western partners during the entire period of the war have serious talks with china, with sydynpin personally, and on the basis of these conversations and meetings of theirs, we see about the fact that there was a warning that china should not provide russia with weapons, that china should monitor its export of dual-purpose goods, this is from... or with every visit of scholz, macron, and blinken, then obviously this problem

exists , and that is why our western partners they draw red lines for china and warn about the consequences, ugh, we don't have much time left, i'll try to squeeze in one more question, they say a lot that putin, putin's regime, is in some ways much, much worse than the soviet union, because the soviet union was at least predicted. in its nuclear blackmail there, for example, and so on, it has gone too far, and what about xi jinping, is he still a predictable politician, will he not go on any adventures, in particular, planning an attack on taiwan before the year 27 ? well, actually, everything will depend on how the russian aggression against ukraine ends, what the consequences will be for russia, and to what extent the west will be whole, united and in... so ready, let's say, to react to russia's actions

to the extent that china does not want to enter this adventure, on the other hand, if there is only a weakness and putin gets even an incomplete victory, because we understand that it is unlikely that putin will be able to achieve a victory over ukraine in general, but nevertheless, small victories and concessions for putin, they will be a signal for sitinpinia about what for... weak, and he can choose for himself this or that moment, which is favorable for him, in order to solve his issues concerning taiwan, well, thank you, mrs. nataliya, nataliya alexienko butyrska, expert on eastern asia, the master of foreign policy, was with us, dear friends, we are going to take a break, then we will come back and we will, and i apologize, we are not going to take a break, i am in a hurry to live, so to speak, dear friends, now we will talk about... about energy and about raising tariffs for it, and before you think about it, i will remind you

to you, that we have a collection going on, and you can donate for our army, i just think that people will think now, that they will raise our electricity tariffs, where will we transfer the money, but listen, our army, it needs our help in any under what circumstances, and their circumstances are much more difficult than ours and yours, and it is precisely our circumstances with you that are possible, thanks to so here's the qr code, who hasn't donated yet, here's the card number, you know, the topic is still international, which we haven't brought up today, which is probably worth at least just mentioning, this is what you... you know that the jury has given its verdict on donald trump, the former president of the united states and the main candidate, well , the only candidate from the republican party in the elections that will be held this fall in the united states, extremely important elections for ukraine, and you know, new- yorker even prepared a cover for that, which should be released on the 10th,

you see, trump and handcuffs, the final court decision. a verdict will be issued in early july, but for now the jury has found trump guilty of by all charges, there are more than 30 of them, the weakest of them is falsifying financial reports, for which he faces four years of imprisonment, well, in total, if the sentence is as severe as possible, then, in my opinion, 130 or so years of imprisonment for life explanation to trump, what will this election actually be like now? the process here remains a lot unknown in this equation, well, and now about the equation regarding electricity tariffs, we will talk with yuriy korolchuk, co-founder of the energy strategies fund, mr. yuriy, good morning to you, good morning, good afternoon, good afternoon, this is how the morning ends, the day begins, mr. yury, tomorrow

the changes in electricity tariffs are expected to come into force, so how much will it be... pay, please explain, no, well so far there is no decision, these are preliminary such opinions, estimates, there, as someone can call it, insider information, but on the other hand, well, as far as i know, earlier the decision was to make a fundamental decision, what will happen, let's say, the choice of model, according to which it will be carried out, according to which they will be payments will be made, that is , it means whether there will be one tariff, for example, as we currently have 2.64 kopecks per kilowatt, or it will be ... differentiated tariffs, that is, when they will apply to certain volumes of consumed electricity, well, i, to be honest , when i heard there from halushchenko, the minister of energy, that there would be differentiation, i was even happy, i think that it is finally possible that some such market moments will follow, even if it is not a very happy, joyful event for the population, when the product grows there

certain electricity in this case, but there will be differentiation, according to the market principle, whoever consumes more will pay less, whoever consumes less will pay more, but i understand that even if in the government the government will not reach the market level yet, and therefore , most likely, we will go the following way, that the price will be set at the level of about 3.5 hryvnias per kilowatt, it is possible that this gradation will actually reach a certain volume there or it will be there until 150 kw, maybe more, because there is a lot of cutting many different options, see nkre kp. the regulator, they do not make a decision on setting the tariff, today the government makes the decision, but nkrikp, as an independent regulator, it collects data from all electricity producers, energoatom, hydroenergo, dtek, center-energo, oblenergo, from all of them it deals with the distribution of electricity, and forms, let's say, a general picture of what we have today, what we need,

what the actual price of the electricity tariff should be, and actually gives it to the government, and the government already chooses, and there, as far as i know, the last time it will pass. package there were practically more than 15 options, so that you understand, that is, there is a choice, but i think that we will actually see such a scheme, maybe i say somewhere , in the best case, there will be two tariffs, so 3.5 uah and maybe up to 4 uah, and unfortunately, of course, it will not be a market approach, that is, unfortunately, who will consume more, that is, or the larger volume that we will consume above some significant norm, we will pay there, for example, up to uah 4, well, if look at all look at the question or? is playing to raise the tariff, because you can see such discussions, the tariff should be increased, but not with the argument that it is necessary money for the reconstruction of the energy sector, if this argument, as they say, does not work, because it is not valid, according to the legislation, according to of the regulatory acts of the nkrkp regulator, the tariff that we pay for electricity, there is a clear payment for the electricity produced,

that is, conditionally there to the energy atom, well , the energy atom supplies 80... even up to 90% of the electricity and ukrhydroenergo, that is, for their electricity and for distribution , that is, for we pay for the delivery of oblenergo, it is not included in the tariff, that is, for rebuilding, for reconstruction, there for some other points, in each of those two tariffs, and for the distribution and for the cost of electricity, there are already included costs that enterprises use there for repairs are indeed there for the replacement of equipment, for the purchase of fuel, and so on, but for reconstruction, plus i will tell you that in principle, even if you start from such information that appeared yesterday, which they say will be uah 2.64, there will be up to 100 kw, and the rest the price will be 4 g 80 kopecks, i don't know, i don't know such an option, i know an option. that all the same they were inclined to 3.5 hryvnias and a slightly larger volume to 4 hryvnias, there the question was to determine what this volume would be, but in any case it doesn’t matter, even this option, which was

such, well, if as voiced in media, yes, it still forms an average price of uah 3.5-3.60, that is, somewhere it will be like that, but if you look at it in general, what would the price be, but if you look at the fact that the tariff should be increased, because costs are increasing, then you can calculate everything very simply, we have a tariff for distribution of electricity. 10 kopecks today it fluctuates in the corridor there, different regional energy companies have different indicators 2 hryvnias 10 kopecks is for the delivery of electricity, and the electricity of the energoatom itself, which today costs us, well, what they sell to us is hryvnia 10 , or 3 hryvnias, 20 kopecks, well, maybe 3, 50 is enough to put it on your head, then someone will say that there are 30 kopecks, well, 30 kopecks, you know, a billion kv , 10 billion kw, there, if billions of hryvnias come in for 30 kopecks. this is also a significant indicator, and on the other hand, if, or this one the tariff is sufficient for, for example, some private investor to open mini power plants there for, i don't know, there for 50,

500, there for thousands, for 50 thousand even for the population, in order for some microdistricts to revive the cities, which, in fact, is very relevant now after the russian shelling, during the russian shelling on the eve of the russian shelling, on the eve of the coming winter, well, then we need to make changes to the regulations. kpe, determine what i said, so that there is, for example, an additional factor, so that we can see in the payment not only there is the distribution tariff, but you can take all the viewers can run now, take the payment and see what the distribution tariff is there, and that is in the cost of electricity itself, and add a third factor, this is conditionally there for modernization, for reconstruction, for reconstruction, but this i will tell you more than that, it even needs to be even better, it is to make changes to the law on the electricity market at that time, well, so that everyone is completely calm, no one will do such a thing now, i will tell you honestly, therefore accordingly the , what you say is money has be or as separate investments in such projects, yes, this money will not be taken from the tariff, and a plus if this is a long-term process, that is, even

if we consider that in addition, if it is 3.5 hryvnias, the price is yes per kilowatt, well, it will increase, it is by a hryvnia somewhere , well, 3.60, let's take the hryvnia, it gives an additional 2 billion uah to the market every month from the population, we are talking about the population, from the population, 2 billion uah, of which 500 million uah, that will be. debt, people do not simply pay this money, no one will pay it, then they will pay in six months, in 3 months, there in someone, someone will not pay at all, for example, they will not be able to, but 500 million hryvnias will be received by energoatom, as an electricity producer, and actually a billion hryvnias will be distributed to all oblenergos, that is, those who provide services, they change, this work is invisible, maybe there, therefore that someone thinks so, but it is present, it is the salary there and the replacement of small transformers there and substations. after all, this is a huge amount of money in reality, therefore, in principle, to say that this money can be taken additionally for some projects, well, it will not be easy

objectively, but the basis, you understand, when i hear that everyone there from the authorities, for example, say that we need to raise the tariff, because we need to repair the neurostem, well, this is such if you know, such populism, probably because i repeat myself, there is no way this money is there, not the first, not the last populism that we feed. government, especially from this one, thank you very much for this conversation, yury korolchuk, co-founder of the energy strategy fund, was with my mother, we are talking about the fact that from tomorrow we may have one and a half times more payments for there, for electricity, dear friends, thank you for being with us, vokluk, andriy saichuk worked for you, we will return tomorrow at 8:10. gasoline trimmers are so heavy, loud and inconvenient, and you want to have a beautiful,

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