from great britain, well, the information went out that the sterm shadow had already been beaten in the krasnodar territory, and the russians felt it and understood that it was so. the french are the same, and president macron said that he allows strikes on military targets in the presence of german chancellor olaf scholz. well, we are all waiting at that moment, of course, for the decision of president joe biden and the democratic administration, but i think that if anything. this did not happen, then it will happen soon, we will find out after that, how the russians will feel it, it is probably yes, but we will find out for sure, well, let's be honest, why it took so long, the americans were given a decision about the atakams, not because the atakams will stand and it is such a terrible weapon and so on, because there was a different understanding that when you hand over the atakams, then this is equivalent to the fact that they will be used against targets on russian territory.

federation, just like with the f-16, well, why ukraine f-16, if they are going to hit the entire russian federation, that they will chase missiles here, which will already be present on the territory of ukraine, well , it is pointless, then why do you send such expensive installations here, this is the same weapon that is supposed to repel the russian aviation to a depth of hundreds of kilometers from the front line there, if not deeper, then it is very good. but as far as i understand, it will symbolize the beginning of a new phase of the war, yes, well, at least the russian federation is trying to present it that way. they are once again repeating their mantra about the nuclear threat, preparing for the next nuclear tests, they say, well, as soon as the west does this, then , accordingly, the west will already find itself, well , directly on the front line, and so on and so forth. the event went for it. this means that perhaps there is already an understanding that the russian federation must be restrained. by force,

well i will quote, and i am extremely pleased to be able to quote the prime minister of foreign affairs of the republic of poland, radislaw szykorski, who supported president macron, who said in february of this year, said that we need strategic uncertainty, nato troops can be are present, french troops may be present on the territory of russia, and minister shikorsky went further, on the territory of ukraine, or already on the territory of russia, maybe we... we don’t know someone, yes, kaluga, kaluga is under threat, well, not yet, but my god knows, world history develops in strange meanders, as we know, different stories, different scenarios, some religious 400 years ago it was like that, so our kaluga, relatively speaking, and i am more concerned that, you know, there was a victory parade of the ukrainian armed forces of ukraine , in sevastopol, a wall was built on russian, on the ukrainian-russian border, ukraine. in the eu and nato, and what will

happen behind the scenes there, let those 140 million be sorted out, let the chinese sort it out, i don’t know if they chinese will be called russians, it’s not really like that, it’s not so important to me, well, going back a little to a more serious one, and it's not only instructors, minister shikorskyi made such a strong statement, which was simply reacted to in russia. well , not so nervously, he said, well, the russians know the price that the americans have set for them, when they try to apply i apply nuclear weapons, will have the entire army that is on the territory of ukraine and not only on the territory of ukraine destroyed, it was the americans who really told them, as victoria nuland, who was an assistant to the state secretariat until recently, it seems until march of this year, spoke about she told that to the russians yet. in 2022, anton,

so when it comes to such a strategic and strategic picture of the war in ukraine, it is already more or less formed, and when it comes to nato troops in ukraine, or nato countries, let's say that, nato countries instructors, i would still pay attention to this first of all, because there won't be, or maybe those instructors actually are, well, when you look at it, how far? the situation will come with permits, not permits, everything that happens with china and with its support of the russian federation, the americans say extremely strongly that thanks to china, russia has been waging this aggressive war for so long without the support of china, er, technology, finance, well and in a certain part of electronics and various devices for the military-industrial complex. russia b

did not have the resources to wage this war, and this is what the americans are very clearly declaring at the moment, moreover, they are trying to convince the europeans of such an approach as well, that is, there is an understanding now that a year... a decision on the war in ukraine and russian aggression against ukraine is not accepted in moscow, but accepted in beijing, and appropriate, appropriate messages are addressed to them, messages are addressed to them such that russia is unable to win wars against ukraine, that is for sure, and we will do everything to ensure that ukraine wins these wars. yes, well, but at the same time, going back to stories with instructors, yes, we understand that their number may be uncertain, why are we only talking about... i don't know about 100 or about 100 people, so it could be 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 and so on, that is, the key history is a decision, a political-military decision, and in particular we understand that if there are already contingents of instructors who will be in charge, i don't know whether it will be military airfields or some other military logistics, accordingly there may be

casualties, while the response to the alleged murders of western instructors about well the greatest grief that there is, that is... the civilian infrastructure and the killing of peaceful ukrainians, in particular in kharkiv, it is all predicted, in fact, it is the worst that can be, because everyone who even slightly understands the nature of this war, the nature of the putin regime and of today's russia, well, he realizes that the ukrainian people are paying the highest price, and these victims might not have been there, if it had been earlier, everything was set, and now i... about air defense systems, not only, not only, but i read in foreign affairs, an article by andriy zagorodnyuk and elton cohen, andriy zahorodnyuk is the former minister of defense of ukraine, erton koenza, an employee of the administration of george w. bush, plus today one of the leading teachers

of military history in america, a very authoritative, authoritative person, he directly wrote, in fact, what timothy snyder says, the war could to end on the 22nd year. russian troops after the successes of the ukrainian army near kyiv, chernihiv, kharkiv, kherson, numbered 140,000 in october 22, and the ukrainian army then numbered 800,000, and the entire defense sector - 100 00, give weapons, and it would already be everywhere, and the same thing is happening today, fortunately, consciousness seems to be a little different, this war can be ended, and it is necessary to limit, limit the victims, and why... president macron's statements so important, and what he said, that, well, general syrskyi said, yes, the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, that everything had already been signed, and macron said: wait, wait, i will tell you everything about everything here with zelenskyi, and not will be there, syrskyi told me, then he said so, we are about

let's say on june 6, when president zelensky will go to commemoration in normandy, the landings in normandy, it will be the 80th anniversary of the landings in normandy, then macron, as the host of this. ugh, the whole world is telling us how we will end this war, and now, returning to the instructors, security and so on, and i remember, i remember very well, the year 2021, and the discussions will take place or not, the troops, the russian , russian, american british instructors were on the territory of ukraine at that time, and a decision was made, first withdrawal by washington and london their instructors, not only them, then the embassy, ​​as you know... and then there was the realization that in fact the west does not believe in ukraine, the scenario that should be played out with those javelins, enlaves and so on, this event had to be repeated, repeated the scenario from afghanistan, i.e. or syria, the destruction of cities and so on, extraordinary

victims, i thought that it was just then, i remember my great indignation and think that in politics you simply cannot do without answers, but that was the understanding of the situation, today other understanding what infrastructure is are important, and you, anton, are absolutely right, it doesn’t matter how many there will be 100 or so, the important thing today is that the western countries don’t send them here, or whether the western countries won’t send them here, so that you don’t die on the fronts in ukraine, that’s obvious, and this means covering the skies of ukrainian security so that they are, because they will be the first targets to influence western opinion, le pen has already said: "you see, macron is preparing us for this, so that we will take it." participation in the war and so on , populists and various friends of putin's friends do such a policy. orban generally stated that it was such that they allow us, irresponsible and so on, we understand that, instead , what we are leading to, and we record what we

said in your anton program, begins in the understanding of the event with these decisions , the whole set of these decisions that we talked about, has the final stage of russian aggression against. ukraine: duda, tusk, the polish political community, the polish military, they will be ready to put their signatures, their signatures on those documents, which would, for example, allow polish instructors to attach. to of this international continent, polish instructors and so on must, of course, that is, this one must also be present, because with attention to history and to friendship and everything else, instead today we will say that poland is facing a perspective, well we all call it a hybrid attack by russia and belarus against ukraine with the participation of thousands of refugees or migrants from the east, from the middle east, who all. have a russian visa, or 90% have a russian visa, that is, people selected by the russians to attack the polish,

the polish border with belarus, and maybe also with hezbollah and the taliban, so to speak, on the belarusian policy, on the policy, and maybe on the krulevetsk or kaliningrad section of the border between russia and poland, that is , what do i know that poland should actually be today concentrated on the defense of a common front about... russia and its ally lukashenko, belarus at this not so critical point, it is called the suvel isthmus, it has not gone anywhere, russian plans, which have already been announced since 2009, that we will attack through this isthmus we will get to berlin, no one has de-actualized, they want to implement it in moscow, poland is now focused on that, well , wanting and being able, we understand, these are also two big differences, it is the readiness to quickly deploy troops, the readiness to quickly react and not allow, but i will not

take this danger lightly either, it is very right, myroslav, that you mentioned it, yes, because putin went to lukashenko, took the new leadership of the ministry of defense with him, and for two days or a little more, they held some our meetings and we understand that they were not talking about potatoes, about human potatoes, in their understanding, i apologize for saying so, but they are like that... they relate to people, it is not for them, we, you and i, anton, are not people, we are you, you , who are subject to destruction, if not needed, these are such people, yes, yes, that's how they think, and of course, that poland should be concentrated, just like lithuania, in the same way, they dig trenches, estonia, latvia, there they build wow, their relatives, the germans, believe that they will deploy their brigade in lithuania, i.e. meet, as putin or lukashenko wants to go against lithuania, because lukashenko was there for three months. he was on this border for about four years, but with lithuania, on the border with lithuania, belarus with lithuania, he said:

"oh, how much is that for us, the sovalsky passage is 40 km, and this, this is how many, they are so many, huh, that is, we understand , that they, because of the fact that they do not succeed, and various efforts, as they think, plans in ukraine, do not want, as it seems to them, to strike at nato and show that nato is powerless, because that's what it's all about it is said, and now let's go back to those instructors, which can be poland, and that's it the ukrainian authorities and various experts also appealed, and so on. it is a great request to close the sky over western ukraine by your own means, and it can be done. and when it will happen, it is justified not by the fact that they protect the conditional gas transportation system of ukraine, whether it is the suburbs of lviv and the city of lviv itself or other cities in western ukraine, but french instructors, british training range instructors. where they are, then everything just suits us, right, anton, if the sky is protected from the polish side, and not from the polish side, there will be

to fly russian missiles, because that is how it was, then we will feel more secure, and those air defense equipment will go closer to the front, ukrainian ones, there will be enough chemistry between the political elites, because i, of course, am not a mendeleev to measure this and that level of reactants : we love, we don't love, we communicate, we get offended, well, it feels like we're now back on the plain, as if everything is fine. somehow it is going, but we understand that there must be private decisions on the part of the higher political elites of poland and ukraine. well, we came very close, and i can do it very well i am pleased to announce that work has begun on the security, so-called security agreement between poland and ukraine, president zelenskyi and prime minister tusk talked for an hour on the topic, the situation in the kharkiv direction and so on, that is, there is an understanding of poland at the same time, why, among other things, the threat . on the isthmus of suva, but on the other hand, if kharkiv were to fall, or

kharkiv were to be surrounded, that’s a million people, well , waves of refugees will again pour into the territory of poland, what to do with them, and that won’t happen, but the military has to calculate everything and politicians, it’s true, that is, there is something to talk about, and president zelenskyi said, well, we’re all great, that we’re actually removing the various sharp corners in our relations and so on... we’re returning to a clear trajectory, bilateral relations, but please close heaven, well, i think, i know that the appropriate measures are being taken, and military developments, legal points. itself is calculated in cooperation with nato, because , for example, there was such a conference in warsaw about three weeks ago, and a representative of the nato headquarters mons in belgium said that a great request that poland share its patriots with ukraine. well, but the use of polish patriots to protect the ukrainian sky, it is also possible to protect french

instructors, allies, british instructors, right? and belgian, and belgian instructors and so on. yaroslav, at the beginning of our conversation you mentioned that there is a feeling that different formulas are being sought and discussed, we understand that some of it is public, but some is not public, we understand that western negotiators, they have experience, and so on we understand that a forum will be held in switzerland, yes, dedicated to the peace formula, we understand that there will be an official public reconciliation and there will be a non- public reconciliation of intentions, capabilities, and so on. we still don't know if the representatives will go, attention, not the united states, they will be there, it doesn't matter whether biden will be there or not, i think that american diplomacy has worked very well on all the points, that is, american negotiators, the issue of the people's republic of china , who will leave it, yes, because china was recently born together with brazil adjusted communique, compared to the

so-called chinese plan, which was about everything and nothing, yes, that is, that china is beautiful and sovereign. in the world and for the immediate resolution of any decisions, although at the same time china is currently preparing its large fleet, the chinese armada, which can, i emphasize, can be used against aggression in relation to taiwan, well, there is no need to exaggerate the fact that the fleet , when the president, every time, every time the president of taiwan takes office, right there in 5-7-7 days, the people's republic of china holds large military training near the shores, well, in that taiwan strait, so there are not many kilometers from the chinese mainland, and by the way, if it’s not for the guys, you won’t understand who is the master here and who is the first here, then we almost won’t show you this, it’s just such a good old man the chinese ritual, yes, it is a ritual, absolutely it is a ritual, well

, of course, without minimizing all the threats and so on, but it is a ritual, secondly, i think, will there be a representative in switzerland or not? china no longer plays a big role, of those 10 or 12 points, three will be discussed there, and it has be it in the final, final document, nuclear safety, shipping safety and exchange of prisoners, everything, well, this is public, this is the public part, and maybe there will be another part that is not public, or simply all the decisions have already been made, no, there will be no decisions there, chancellor shortz said that there will be no decisions on peace in ukraine, there won't be. there is to accept switzerland, it is about something else, i really liked this initiative, i think that ukrainian diplomacy did a great job of everything that was needed with that, there it is necessary to show that the global south, the so-called global south, does not all stand on the positions of china and russia, on randramod, for sure, but a large part of the countries of the global south are interested in

being present on the platform offered by ukraine, together with... their western allies, and the main event has already taken place there, i hope that it will not change, a representative of india will be present, and india today in all parameters, economic, military and so on, plays a big role on this global chessboard, and it is definitely not india is 100 percent ready to replace china, in particular in what is called human resources, the factory or workshop of the world, and so on and so forth, india is ready, but india... still needs to work on itself, and in particular, maybe russian aggression will be a litmus test against ukraine. with a litmus test, not to the end, well, we remember that india, unfortunately, also helps russia, because it buys a huge amount of oil from them, although it says to pay in rubles, which must be invested on the territory of india, well, such tricks, let's say indian

i would say that even a little further, i read western commentators. and the hindus, the elections are still going on, right? competition, economic competition, china has already been accepted, western firms are leaving china, going to india, india is developing its advanced manufacturing. and so on, it is present on the labor market and so on, and according to by all projections of demography, the population of india has now exceeded. the number of the population in china, not only the number, but also the quality, so we understand that the chinese population, it is much older than the indian one, so the number, let's not talk

about the quality, these are just about the demographic, about the age composition, well, because the quality that's how it is, when it comes to population or something, let's not, the truth is, the chinese population is very old and they can't recover, and the indian population is simply progressing. in a geometric quantity, well let's go back to the swiss summit, that is , we understand that if only those three blocs will be discussed, well, it concerns, for example, nuclear security, it means that all the rest of the decisions have already been taken, maybe they will be, instead, in the final, or as i understand it, because president zelenskyy talks about it, there will be no mention of them in the final document, instead these three aspects will be opposed, as i understand what president zelenskyy is saying, after this... final document , work on their implementation will continue, i.e. freedom of navigation, but the armed forces of ukraine almost drove away the russian fleet,

they sank the black sea fleet, let’s say, a significant part of it and continue to sink it and continue to do so successfully, i.e. freedom of navigation, do you want russia to sign for it or china to guarantee that it will be implemented or not guarantee, guarantee? that there will be no use of nuclear weapons, and now think about it, putin and his comrades must sign that he will never use nuclear weapons, well, he signed the budapest memorandum time, and not like that, and the nuclear doctrine of the russian federation, where they prescribed very specific, now, but the plan is different, that this paper will be handed to him today by comrade all, and he will no longer joke here and say that it is not written that way, and this document, he does not understand what is written there, you interpreted it badly with comrade xi, russia will not joke like that, it has definitely changed, how much it has changed, and if it cannot and very much,

then this is not it the situation is such that putin, having gorged himself on those petrodollars and so on, and thinking that europe is weak, america is weak and so on, we can challenge them, because we have china behind us, you have to sign it to china, in its hieroglyphs, but they didn't understand. in english, that is, these are different games, these are eastern games, well, yes, we understand the eastern games, yes, what they mean, for example, to putin, but this means that if the swiss summit is not fully devoted to the peace formula, well then no, it will be dedicated, instead we are talking about the final document and what will happen next, and how do you think it would happen so here are the further negotiations, in what format, could it all be somehow quietly there, well, it’s all in diplomacy, of course, that on... but it is developing slowly, a certain number of states will be formed that support these three points, according to of the ukrainian formula, and then some other meetings take place in some

other sites, to be discussed, and what does this mean? before the us election or after? before the american elections, after, it does not play a role at that moment, because the position of america will be voiced in relation to ukraine in the so-called security agreement, the significance of the vote on providing aid to ukraine. bipartisan in the house of representatives, what happened on april 21st, i think, and what mike jones did, which allowed it to come to a vote and pushed it, along with three other mikes, there's the chairman, the chairman of the intelligence committee, the chairman of the intelligence committee, the chairman of the defense committee, and there 's some other such well-known holdings means that america has opened the way to the signing of a security agreement with ukraine for 10 years, where america will sign its obligations, which must be observed not only today. adhere not only to today's the president of america, but his successor, the next american president and us for another 10 years, that is, we are entering a completely different

situation, this is a completely new situation, because the americans will not say that anymore, no, you are wrong, guys, these were not guarantees, it was a contradiction, but the question of what this agreement will be filled with, we understand that a lot can depend on one of, i don't know, commas, not to mention specific quantitative indicators. there will be quantitative indicators, plus what america is committed to. well, you know, it's, we all say it's not a deal about safe deals are dangerous deals. ugh. in the case of a security agreement with ukraine, one must always answer one question. and what will happen, how will it be as an aggressor against ukraine threatening to use nuclear weapons? and when this clause is not present, these are dangerous agreements. these are dangerous deals. this is about what, it is about supporting ukraine. and that's what we'll call it. to say that it is about supporting ukraine, political, military and economic, and there are very clear indicators of agreements with germany,

france, great britain, great britain the first was yes, they have committed themselves, norway has committed itself on the basis of its legislation, the same will happen in america, this document cannot be underestimated, just as one cannot underestimate the nato summit in washington, which will be held in the middle, in the middle of july, where, as we already know, there will be no invitation to ukraine to join nato, unfortunately, but there will be something else, a confirmation that ukraine will be a member, well, we know that we have been confirmed. how many times have we already been there since the bucharest nato summit in 2008, but there will be already, well, the road the map, let's say so, is that this is a road map to membership, and certain deadlines have been determined, that is, it will already happen as well as a jerk, that is, i am leading to this, that the worst time for ukraine, it has passed, it was from october of last month year until the end of april this year, and

the time is approaching. at that moment of this stage, which was, god forbid, will be the final stage of the war, because this is how everything is designed, and the end of this war is already on fire, this is how everything is built, this is the structure of the world being built, plus security, plus the main thing, help to the military arms, and economic aid, no one will let ukraine fall. well, god forbid, thank you miroslava for this extremely important conversation on the air of the tv channel. espresso, i want to remind our tv viewers that myroslav cheh, a historian, publicist, deputy of the polish diet of the second and third term, worked for you now. thank you. well, the time of our program is over, stay with the espresso tv channel. my colleagues will inform you about all the most important events of this day. take care of yourself and your loved ones. see you on air. in the latest edition of the magazine ukraine.

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