glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live there. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about this. do you agree with zelenskyi that china can disrupt the meru summit in switzerland? yes, no, it's pretty simple on youtube, if you have an opinion that goes beyond the one-size-fits-all answer, leave it, whatever please comment under this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think and agree, or rather with zelensky, that china wants to disrupt the peace summit (0800-211-381), no, 0800-211-382, everyone calls to these numbers. are free, vote,

at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to introduce today's guest, yuriy lutsenko, captain of the armed forces of ukraine, ukrainian politician and statesman, prosecutor general of ukraine in 2016-19, mr. yuriy, i welcome you, thank you for being with us. how would you answer the question we ask our tv viewers, do you agree with zelensky that china can disrupt the peace summit. before making such statements, i would ... think hard, because china is the first partner of ukraine in terms of the size of our imports, which means that it can block the supply of materials that we desperately need, including military ones, the wonderful video that we just saw , filmed only because our soldiers have mastered chinese fpv, chinese drones, chinese trench stations. gorebu and many others

things and one more thing: china is currently the second pole of the world. the world is bipolar again, as it was in the days of the soviet empire. there is the united states as the leader of the free world, there is china as the leader of the totalitarian or authoritarian world. zelenskyi managed to throw loud, offensive phrases to both one and the other pole, before gathering. conference, where he wants to involve everyone, including the satellites of these two superpowers, so let zelensky give these answers, he is, after all, the head of the diplomatic direction of the ukrainian state, i would not make such statements. well, let's listen to what zelensky said, all these statements were made at the dialogue shangeril conference in singapore, 106 countries of the world have already confirmed their participation in the conference, which is to be held in switzerland.

what did zelensky say about china's role in preparing for this summit and about china's influence on the countries of the so-called global south. let's listen. unfortunately, using china's influence on the region, it does everything, using chinese diplomats, it also does everything to disrupt the peace summit. unfortunately, it is. such a large, independent country, powerful as china, is a tool in the hands of putin. yuriy vitaliyovych, where is the line between when this kind of breakthrough diplomacy is necessary for ukraine, and when it, well, interferes, that is, we have seen for two years how zelensky tried to go beyond the scope of ordinary diplomacy, which is traditionally recognized and used throughout the world, and that , when... well, it is better not

to make such loud statements, because sooner or later we will have to sit down at the negotiating table with china in any way. well for that so that the answer is clear, let's also remember that zelensky this same week, or last week, already managed to say that biden is afraid of putin and therefore does not come to this very conference, he demonstrates his weakness in front of putin, he stated that this no... a leadership position, he said that putin applauds biden's intentions, and from my point of view it cannot be called anything other than rudeness diplomacy, especially after the deliveries of such serious deliveries of long-range missiles that ukraine received in recent days, instead of thank you, that's it then he went to china, but he concentrated on working with extremely important allies, cape verde, an island nation in africa, east timor, the poorest country

in asia, for them he found time and kind words to come to this conference. now let's ask ourselves the question, what... was the cause of this anger and arrogance, to which zelensky returned again. yes, i know, his entourage, from the number of professionals, is trying in every possible way to bring him back into the framework of normal diplomatic work, even where in fact, some harsh statements are allowed, because we are a country that bears the burden of war, yes, but definitely not in the direction of the allies, and definitely not in the direction of the most powerful, that is... the world, which at least took, well, at least a neutral position, regarding us, but volodymyr oleksandrovich believes that he is the greatest leader on the planet, that he can influence the results of elections in one or another country with his speeches, because he sincerely

believes, as the bolsheviks once believed, that they communicate not with the leaders of capitalist countries, but with their population, because the entire population britain, thought checherin was such a... foreign minister, every day they look for a communist newspaper and see what the young soviet state needs, which means that we are now stocking up and will, let's say, influence, change the policy of our own state, that's politics of the bolsheviks, which continues today, he appeals to the voters of america, germany, britain, france, and other countries, and he believes that because of this he can influence... the leaders, actually, our allies, in such and such a way, and i am selecting for this words that are needed for newspaper headlines, for the population, it will not reach the minds of the leaders, it will reach the emotions of their voters, from my

point of view, for a country facing a superpower aggressor, this is unacceptable, but again i want to ask the question, for what? all this cinema repeats itself again, we went through all this in 22nd and 23rd year, why is this cinema this year? for the peace forum in switzerland, right? okay, then i have a question, why can this forum be found out? if a few days before it turned out that china could disrupt it? maybe someone will give answer why this forum? well, the official logic is that, they say, about a hundred representatives will gather there. various states , including, let's say, not oriented towards the us, the countries of the global south, and their support for zelensky's peace plan will be so strong that putin will be scared and withdraw the troops, but i have a question then, and here is

the meeting of the un general assembly last february year, when 142 countries supported us and only seven were against, isn't it enough? after that i got scared and left, and i apologize, in june exactly the same peaceful conference is planned zelenskyi in denmark, where leaders of 42 countries gathered, is not enough, in october representatives of 66 countries gathered in malta and discussed the same formula, everything was also not enough, why are we once again gathering some kind of conference, isn't it obvious that not the un general assembly, neither 42 leaders, nor 66 leaders, nor 166 leaders will influence putin, and if cape verde is added to these countries, i dare to think that putin will not flinch if timor, east, east, east, maybe shakes, but not so much that we

notice, well, listen, well, well, it's me i translate very simply, our president, who could easily address the representatives of defense and diplomatic... well-known east-southeast asia in singapore on the internet, wanted to go exactly there, exactly at this time, the impression is that for him the focus is exclusively to this conference, and he measures its success only by the number of supporters who will applaud him, his focus is not on kharkiv region, not on donetsk region, not on maryana bezugla, which is in general contradiction to all possible written and unwritten laws. attacks the leadership of the armed forces of ukraine, and already, well, dozens of officers are sure that soon we will again have a change in commander-in-chief, but the focus of our president is not on this, he is solely on the number of those who can applaud him in geneva. and now let's

ask, what will be discussed there, because zelenskyi's peace formula is 10 points, but only three are brought to geneva, prodovo. security, i'm sorry, it's a question of grain traders and, by the way, china, and to me, as a former soldier and my comrades who are at the front, what's the matter with... with food the security of china, egypt or somalia, but it is brought to the conference. the second question: radiation safety, yes, there is an issue here, we need to get our nuclear plant back, and the exchange of prisoners of war and the exchange of prisoners of war, but i ask where are the key issues, point number five, the implementation of the united nations charter and the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine, where point number six: the withdrawal of russian troops and an immediate cessation of hostilities. why is it not worth it? even daytime, then what kind of conference is this, that is conference on business and prisoners, i'm not

sure it's worth the insult to the president of the united states of america, our western allies, or even the leaders of china. well, by the way, the chinese have already reacted, chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman maoning said that beijing's position on the peace summit is open and transparent, let's hear what she said. china has always insisted... that the peace summit should have three important elements: acceptance by the russian and ukrainian sides, equal participation of all sides, and fair discussion of all peace proposals. china it is difficult to participate in this particular conference, because we believe that it does not realize these three points. china sincerely hopes that this conference will not become a platform for the start of a block confrontation of russian weapons, at least it will block russian transfers to chinese. banks, what, adheres to american sanctions, at least he supplies us with what

we need for a successful war of drones, let's say, drones and rebs, and let's say, we really wanted china to stop being an ally of russia, but diplomacy is a special policy of the possible, and making china an enemy instead of a neutral participant, well, it is not reasonable. well, it became known that the united states of america will be represented at the peace summit in switzerland by vice president kamala harris, the president's national security adviser jake sullivan, biden himself will not be there, and obviously no hungarians will be there either, as peter szijjártó stated , head of the ughur ministry of foreign affairs. let's hear what sijarto said. statements about the possible dispatch of european troops to ukraine, statements about the possible use of nuclear weapons, about

a possible mandatory conscription system in europe, including men and women. these statements are so frightening because the consequences of all this will be such that none of us would want to experience them, not a nuclear war, not a global war, not a third world war, we don't want to experience it, and these very ... irresponsible statements from european capitals, these very dangerous statements carry the risk of escalation. before that, ciarto said that this is a war between ukraine and russia, and it does not concern europeans at all. why, well , it is clear that there are three points of the peace summit, maybe someone is accommodated, someone is not accommodated, but for some reason the hungarians think that this war is theirs and that they are of no use here at all. if the chinese position can still be understood by proximity... and by the fact that china, relatively speaking, takes everything, all

the resources from russia in order to support itself, then how can you explain such prudence of szijjártó and orbán, that they think that russia there, the yellow emperor, he has a subject of the horde in moscow, and moscow has a smaller subject in budapest, to date , the hungarian authorities have sold for cheap. and gas, everyone the ideals of the hungarian revolution, the hungarian european reconquest, if you like, and in general everything that hungarians fought for for hundreds of years against russian and soviet imperialism, but despite all this , i cannot help but say that we have not forgotten how poroshenko did not let hungary try to change the situation , because when, during the visa-free period, hungary ... blocked a possible ukrainian outcome, poroshenko managed to find arguments for both

orban and sijart, so that the visa-free visa was signed, but this time president zelenskyi's office blocked him from such a meeting and they said that yermak would do well, yermak did meet with siat, and our prime minister met with him, we have the result of a very effective policy, as soon as yermak appears in washington, we have a problem with... in hungary, we have a problem with hungary. look, these guys know how to put on a show, but they don't. to be responsible politicians who understand diplomacy as the art of mutual concessions and mutual positive results, this is a very complex mechanism, for this you need to know a lot in life and prepare a lot to such meetings with various specialists, on the show, well, world diplomacy always gives

a negative result, a good show was needed... the first month after the invasion, the whole world deservedly applauded zelensky, after that the show was ineffective, at first they stopped applauding, and then even invited , that's why our whole problem is: there are no professionals in the team around the ukrainian president, he continues to use old methods that he considers super effective, understand, volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi is an artist. nothing in there is nothing demeaning about this, everyone has their own profession, for example, i am an engineer and what, electronic equipment, yes, but he dreamed of playing the role of the president all his life, he was so noble, remember in the soviet union, a very popular bard, he wanted to all his life to play the role of hamlet, he played it, few people even noticed it, but his other roles

were remembered, there are still many people in ukraine who respect him, such as zelenskyi... he wants to play the role of the president, and maybe it was b normal, well, let's say, in a normal developed country, well, for example, there in finland, there in denmark, maybe even in bulgaria, but he got to the wrong time, because here it is not for the show, here it is necessary to build the economy and the army, and the show led to the complete unpreparedness of the country during the war, already even during the war, little vovchansk in the kharkiv region, he... hurt the ukrainians so much not because the russians have any great success there, no, but he showed that the authorities did not learn any lessons, then words, words, words and no deeds, because again everyone knew, both western intelligence and our intelligence said the date when the russians would attack kharkiv through vovchansk, but there were no mines, no drones, the command

of the appropriate brigade was not in place, most of the battalions were not in command, the soldiers were not provided for. defense systems, artillery support, fortifications, that is, it is the same chongar, such in miniature. then the question is, our government, our government somehow draws conclusions from the tragedy of the beginning of the war, well, on february 22, do we continue to hope that we will engage in a show, and the western allies are obliged to give us missiles, guide them and to ensure results, no, well, but, yury vitalivych, no... zelensky himself should be giving instructions in vovchansk or in kharkiv region, this is definitely not his competence, he could be a showman and can be a showman, but the whole chain , which follows below, he should understand starting from syrskyi and ending there with the fighters who are in kharkiv oblast, yes and yes and not so, if, if we are talking

abstractly about the supreme commander-in-chief, who is the president, then it is he who personally reports to him ... the main intelligence agency that the russians such-and-such number in such-and-such quantity along such-and-such route will go on the attack, and he reported, budanov gave an interview about this in an almost desperate tone, general budan, that he was not heard, of course, it is he who reports with his head that there is such a challenge, but i have received substantiated information from the president that an offensive is being prepared. what have you, mr. head, done for this, do you have reserves, is there an artillery fist, are there drones, mines and so on, well, that should be asked by someone, the head of the stake, this is a question that is discussed at the stake, but let’s get to our situation, let's assume that the president was busy with the peace conference in geneva, yes, of course, the whole

war machine should have been busy with this, but oleksandr, you know who in our country is busy, oh, i beg your pardon. i 'm fine, i was just sitting with oleksandr chernenko in the parliament, i'm sorry, please, serhiy, i'm sorry, i'm very sorry serhiy, who deals with fortifications in our government, what department do you think, i think the ministry of regional development and infrastructure, the ministry of statistics, and i know why, it's just that the president likes him, this guy is smart, reliable, and he has results, so let him deal with stratification, that's all, that's the management style, and... who will deal with drones and missiles there? the ministry of the military industry, who does it at all. i can’t even answer, it’s a simple question, i recently had a long conversation with a servant, he complained to me

that they say there are not enough drones, but cities are being eaten, parks are being built, bridges are being opened, and in some ways he is right, i say, mr. deputy , you are the government, v you are the majority, and you formed a government official, yes, i say, and you are aware that not a single penny of the local budget can go to no. until the state treasury approves it. you have a cabinet resolution that forbids cities to spend money on anything, except for the reconstruction of destroyed buildings and the construction of warehouses during air raids, that's all, but they spend on whatever they can, why? he says, it ’s written badly, so rewrite it, they don’t hear us, so call them, they don’t want to come, so take it down, we don’t have a management system in everything, unfortunately, and in military and that which serves the army. that's the trouble. i am not against the president, who is the legitimate head of state today and should be until the end of the war. but i am against

the fact that we have a completely broken system of country management. biden and our other allies cannot replace the ukrainian government , both civil and military. in the organization of victory. they can only help, but they personally will neither... dig trenches, nor make rockets, nor bring here, well, for example, there, fpvs, which are critically underpowered at the front. something must be done and ukraine, and instead of the geneva show, we actually have to deal with a terrible campaign that we have to endure. i don't want to scare anyone, but for all reasonable people who look behind the front, it is clear that we are facing a terrible campaign, when 503... russians, who are now concentrated at the front, in august another 250,000 will join them, will try to break through the ukrainian front, what are they

doing for this, the east of our troops, let's say, there are about 500,000 on the front, how many in fact, i have no right to say, but less that the russians are doing it for this, they are stretching the front, but now it has become 80 km more due to kharkoya. to the section, and if they go to okhtyrka, it will be another 100 km, and if they go to sumy, another 150 km, and if they stretch a thin line with fewer troops, sooner or later the russians will try to break through it somewhere, and it seems to me that it is by mobilization the president should be busy now, because there will be no peace until november, until putin drains his entire 700-strong armada, until heavy rains fall and until america finally has a war... there is no need to talk about peace right now, yuri vitaliyovich, here is another topic that has been discussed a lot in the last few weeks, it is about whether western

weapons should be on the territory of russia or not, there are a lot of different opinions, but there are already 13 countries that said that we allow ukraine to use these weapons against objects, military objects located on the territory of russia, the biden administration should allow ukraine. to use any american weapon for military purposes, including ata-kams missiles, such a position said the chairman of the international relations committee of the house of representatives of the united states of america michael mccaul during a meeting with president zelensky in singapore, let's listen to what he said: i fought hard with the current administration to provide you with weapons as soon as possible. i personally put atacoms in the help package because you need them. these missiles, now they have crimea under control, but you know the russians are right across the border from kharkiv, you can't keep one hand tied behind your back, well

it is clear what the ukrainian leadership and the armed forces of ukraine want, because one way or another , those who later break through the ukrainian-russian border, they are on the other side of the border, but you can ask, where are our neptune missiles, which hit at 300 km? i think that they are in the project, no, they were in the project in the 16th year, they were already produced in the 18th, in the 19th they were frozen, you know exactly where these missiles are, because you were in power, because they were frozen in the 19th year, and what was the reason for the freeze, they wanted to build roads, 13 billion dollars in the last year before the war was not spent on missiles, because the missile programs were transferred from the 19th year, to the 22nd, and then to the 32nd, all the money was thrown into the asphalt, and you, as the person who managed the general prosecutor's office of ukraine, do you think that there is some element of crime here, that the authorities, in the general prosecutor's office , did their part, we, my team, confiscated 1.5 billion of live money from yanukovych. half

of these funds went to rockets and in the 16th, 17th, 18th years a small stugna 5 km against a tank, eh, alder 100 km, and ee neptune 300 km were made, tested and financed since the 19th year. the composition of the crime, let the current prosecutor general figure it out, no, do you see any reason to say that the ukrainian authorities did something wrong, i see it, i see it, because since the 19th year ee... the freezing of missile programs meant a reduction the ability to stop the enemy on the approaches to changar, and not in kherson in a day and a half, on the approaches to kyiv, and not in bucha and yerepen. i believe that the russians did not attack us because they knew what they could get from these fools missile defense, with domestic missile products, attacked when all these programs were on...

first transferred, and then reliably actually destroyed, but let's go back to the other: okay, we don't have our missiles, well, that's how it happened, i have a question: is it possible was to beat in the belgorod region, where the enemy was gathering to attack kharkiv, with swedish weapons, the swedes long ago gave us permission to shoot, their artillery, the archer gun, one of the best in the world, hits at 40 - 60 km, in what there was a problem, maybe in the organization, because there are archers in the armed forces of ukraine, and britain? it was not possible to beat, they also gave permission to beat a long time ago, i have the impression that as always in a bad family it is not the army that is to blame, and that is how we always blame the infantile ukrainian authorities for everyone except them, what zelenskyy said about the the question of journalists, what was the reason for the russian offensive near kharkiv, what did he say, he said: the whole world is to blame for this, and then he added, and in general, the whole world did not want

to see the threat of an attack in the 22nd year, this is the whole world , who warned him every month since october, and the president of the united states, and the us secretary of state and the director of the cia, they all came, and the prime minister of britain and the prime minister of france, they all came here, but who did not hear, who did not want to notice, the event or the leadership of the ukrainian state, which so wanted to pave asphalt, forgot about rockets? so, of course, we need permission to use it. the question of western weapons, now let's get serious, ah actually, throughout our war , contacts between the united states and russia did not stop, they did not rise to a state of war, and of course they have channels, mechanisms and people, which are conducting negotiations among themselves, it roughly sounds like this: if you do not attack ukraine in the winter for their energy, then we will not give ukraine missiles for attacks over uh... 150

km at the time, and when the russians started bombing our energy, we got 300 km missiles right there, right there, if you don't advance further and wait, well, on easter there was an idea about some kind of peace talks, then we won't supply ukraine with new stockpiles of weapons, but it never happened, and putin got angry again and started an offensive, and we will immediately get... a huge one a package that both democrats and republicans voted for, because it is a collective measure. now the talks are going exactly the same way, if you do not finish the ukrainian energy industry and do not advance further, we will not give permission for the use of american long-range missiles. as soon as the russians went to kharkiv, we immediately received this permission. well, with a delay, of course, there in a week or two - it's, well, bureaucratic procedures. so look.