the memory of all, in fact, all those who died because the russians came to our land. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of the ukrainian military and civilian citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.

the military and officers stated about the poor training of those mobilized in the training centers, are the military really not ready for war after a month of training, how to fix it? meanwhile, the state emergency service is gathering employees. to mobilize in facebook communities, anonymously write that they are ready to write reports for dismissal, so as not to go to the assault brigade. who will rescue people and put out fires if rescuers are mobilized and where will they find replacements? today , svoboda ranok will talk about it, my name is kateryna nekrecha, and we are starting. first to the important news. the russian army attacked the dnipro. as reported in the regional military administration, air defense forces shot down two missiles.

civil infrastructure was damaged as a result of falling debris, and a fire broke out. there are injured minors, a one-month-old boy and a 17-year-old boy. he is currently in hospital in a moderate condition. in total, seven were injured. one and a half dozen cars were damaged. windows are broken in high-rise buildings and hospitals. this is what local correspondents of radio svoboda, who work at the scene of events in one of the hospitals, told. person'. military officer who published a video of abuse of ukrainian prisoners of war was found by public journalists, the author of this video is 32-year-old oleksiy kiprin with the call sign bars. he comes from st. petersburg, he has a wife and a son. in his social networks , kyprin published photos in military uniform, and he wrote there that he - quote: watch out for russia since 2014. he served in the so-called militia of the so-called lpr, the peacemaker site writes about this. public sources report that now oleksiy. kyprin serves in the storm

storm group of the 153rd tank regiment of the russian armed forces. the russian ministry of defense also writes about kyprin. he himself publishes photos of awards on social networks, for example, the st. george's cross signed by putin. journalists of the social network were able to contact kypriany on whatsapp to get confirmation that it was him in the video. man, thinking that he was corresponding with a russian journalist, he wrote, i quote: the national anthem was sung badly, backs were given. and the prisoners of war were transferred to the camp. usually , there is no time to evacuate during cleaning. there are prisoners here, that was the quote. ukrainian shoemaker dmytro lubinets, after publishing a video with presumably russian soldiers leading prisoners, forcing them to sing the soviet anthem, beating them and simulating a shooting, addressed official letters to the international committee of the red cross and the united nations. but in the prosecutor's office of the kharkiv region opened proceedings on the fact of cruel treatment of ukrainian...

prisoners of war. now to one of the important topics of this issue. petition for reservations for all fire and emergency services personnel. over 30,000 votes were collected on the website of the cabinet of ministers in three days. the petition must now be considered by the government. its author, angelina beni, explains that the state emergency service carries out an important mission in the rear. she writes that she has created a petition. through the removal of armor and the mobilization of rescuers, fire brigade personnel, and emergency services situations, operative-rescue service and other civil defense workers, that is, the author of the petition claims that at the moment the armor is allegedly removed from the rescuers. oleksiy goncharenko, a people's deputy from european solidarity, also wrote on his telegram channel that they decided to mobilize employees of the state emergency service in ukraine. publication of bbc ukraine with links to own sources. noted that, according to

their data, the decision to remove 100% of armor from the state emergency service and the national police, as well as other law enforcement agencies, has already been made, and now discussions are ongoing as to how many percent of employees will be mobilized. moreover, it seems that the rescuers have already begun to be transferred to combat units of the police. officially, the state emergency service does not comment on information about the mobilization and demobilization of its employees. the day before, we contacted the management of the state emergency service, invited them to the air and asked questions about reservations. we were told that there are currently no official documents regarding the mobilization of their employees, they say that so far it is all rumours. and none of their employees additionally are mobilizing however, if you look at the official pages of the department in social networks, users write the same type of comments demanding armor for rescuers under almost every post in recent days.

some members of the boycott community write anonymously about the fact that the dsns officers are going to be mobilized into the lut police brigade. firefighters of ukraine, some write, they say, rescuers are already starting to write reports for dismissal. we found the founder of this of the community, the head of the public union boycott firefighters of ukraine, is maksym pyserskyi. he is currently fighting in the armed forces himself and has been a volunteer since 2022, and previously he was the chief of the fire watch of the fire and rescue department in the city of zaporizhzhia. let's hear what the fireman and the military think about the probable mobilization. dsns, and what do his former colleagues, other rescuers, think about it? look, i believe that the state emergency service, especially during a war , should perform its direct function, that is , extinguishing fires, rescuing people, during a war

we see that challenges to the service arise every day, every day there is a missile attack, moreover, it happens throughout the territory of ukraine, and not, let's say so. where it is hot, hot all around, accordingly, what is the main service that eliminates the consequences, saves people, this is the state emergency service, how can the service be glorified at the expense of mobilization, this will have a negative impact on security situations, and it is wrong, because if you mobilize the ten-year-olds, who will do the work instead of them, are all in shock, because... no one expected that the authorities would be looking for something reinforce, strengthen the army, will look for it in the national security service, everyone does not know how it will end, what are the prospects in general, what is the future with such an approach that you worked today, you

worked for several years, improving your skills, here tomorrow they tell you that you have to go to war, there is no question here, that we need an army... that we have to help here, well , this is clear to everyone, because if it is not, if the enemy invades the territory further, then we have to defend ourselves, because we have no way out, but well, you have to do it wisely, somehow logic, and the logic is that sending firefighters to war as part of the ministry of internal affairs, well , there is none at all, especially with such an approach, which is announced that in order to... the same people in the ministry of internal affairs, i.e. rescuers, should be released from the state emergency service, well to serve in the ministry of internal affairs and, accordingly , they are already transferred by these combat units, i.e. dismissal to the state emergency service - this is the way that is offered, that is, you worked, worked,

then you just take your leave and that's it, well, how will it be perceived, it is perceived negatively , all the more so into obscurity, well what will happen next, no one, nothing. the story and that's all, all the moods are very negative, fedir venislavskyi, people's deputy, servant of the people, chairman of the subcommittee on state security, defense and defense innovations, joins our broadcast live , congratulations, thank you for joining, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, heroes glory, you have just listened to the opinion of a former firefighter, now a member of the armed forces, with us, with our viewers, regarding the possible mobilization of workers... in the state emergency service, and what do you know about the mobilization of rescuers and firefighters? well, firstly, when we passed the law to amend some of the laws related to the mobilization of the nabubvinities, we clearly provided that the employees of the national police, the state emergency service, the dbr, nabu and so on,

they are subject to reservation , as we have already repeatedly told you about the concept, the conceptual opinion of this draft law that we adopted. and as of today it has entered into force, there is a minimization of the number of persons who have the right to deferment from conscription for military service during mobilization and anticipate as much as possible. to see the possibility of booking those categories of workers, employees, which are necessary to ensure , including the normal functioning of the state, the economy, and the state service for emergency situations, on the conviction of us, members of the committee, we discussed this during the adoption and discussion at the committee of law-enforcement initiatives, they should be booked, and just like police rescuers should be booked, well... our view is one hundred percent, and this is already the sphere of competence, the sphere of responsibility of the cabinet

ministers of ukraine. i hope that today , tomorrow, well, today , at a meeting of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine , a resolution on the exact mechanisms, criteria and order of reservation should be approved, and then it would be possible to discuss something. i think that rescuers are just right both from the point of view of legislative regulation and from the point of view of the tasks that they... perform, well , extremely important functions, ensure the functioning of the state and the rescue of people, so i do not think that there will be any attempts by them mobilize. well, you see, according to the bbc ukraine, the principled decision to remove 100% armor from the state emergency service and the national police and other law enforcement agencies has already been adopted by the authorities, and now only the authorities say that discussions are ongoing about what percentage of these structures will be mobilized. or 10% or 50%, what do you know about such conversations and such

principled decisions? well, i don't know anything about the fact that any decision was made in principle, moreover, i repeat, during the meeting of our committee, which was attended by the head of the national police, we said about the policemen that they have be 100% booked, because the police in this case, as well as the rescuers, as representatives of the state security service, they are actually one of the most important. components of state security, because security is not only security from an external enemy, from an aggressor country, it is also security on the streets, security in homes, and policemen and rescuers in this case perform a very important mission, which is a component of the national security in the broad sense of the word, so some, let's say, opinions were definitely not discussed in the parliament on this matter, at the level the cabinet, i also have no idea that it was proposed to remove the armor, but i think ... that the government that is developing this resolution should have an understanding of all the components

of the security sector, and i think that they should carefully approach the issues related to with the reservation of such very important areas, which also includes the activities of the national security service, regarding such arguments, you know, at the expense of the reservation or mobilization of police officers or the state emergency service, there is such an argument that rescuers and firefighters really need to learn a lot, and those firefighters who are currently working say that even experience. the last two years of the great war, the russian attacks there, it is completely different there, that the practice here gives a lot of things, and as for the policemen, they say, well, they know how to hold a weapon, the rescuers, for example, do not know how to hold a weapon, but still, what you know, perhaps, or by your logic, as a people's deputy, what percentage of reservation should be, you say 100% should be booked, but now, well, maybe not for nothing, such conversations are taking place and sources of publications report about it. what talks about quotas, reservation of this is there, that is, what is the permissible limit, let's say this,

it is possible that there really are such specialists in the national police who can fight, and we can see that there is fury, for example, yes, as an example of this, but regarding one hundred percent armor for the state emergency service, for example, will you, as a people's deputy from a specialized committee , fight for it, or bring arguments about it to government representatives, well, first of all... really , as a colleague, representative, former employee of the state emergency service said, this issue is very difficult from the point of view of how to ensure reservation of people and how to ensure the formation of the replenishment of our components of the security and defense sector, which are directly fighting the enemy, because you know, we are now fighting for the preservation of the country in general and to say that there are certain categories of people who have to perform other important functions, i agree with this, but as a priority... the number one concern of the entire ukrainian people and which follows directly from the constitution is the protection of the territorial integrity of state

sovereignty. at the same time, of course, i emphasize once again that i, as a representative of the committee i believe that the activities of the national police and the state emergency service are critically important for the functioning of the state and the lives of citizens, so these representatives of these professions should be banned. moreover, to our great regret, almost every day we have... reports, information that both representatives of the national police and representatives of the national security service have become the object of another terrorist attack by the russian federation, both state security service officers and police officers are being killed. moreover, workers the police and the national security service perform their tasks in the immediate vicinity or even near the front line, so it is very difficult to talk about the need to mobilize the national security service in order to supplement the capabilities of our armed forces and other components of the defense security sector, i think i emphasize once again the general concept of national security and defense, it covers activities to

ensure law and order and security of ukrainian citizens, which is provided by the relevant services, therefore... i hope that the cabinet of ministers of ukraine will take a balanced approach to this problems, and we, for our part, at the meeting of the committee, i think we will also raise this issue, we will consider if there are any signals that there is an intention to remove the armor from the state security service or from the police. and tell me, please, mr. fedor, did the representatives of the civil service and the state emergency service contact you there, because the processes regarding the transfer of rescuers, combat units, have allegedly already begun to combat units of the police, this is written about again... by the bbc, that is something has started to move in this direction, do you, as a people's deputy , know about it, or are there any appeals, i don't know, from acquaintances or simply from citizens were already, perhaps in social networks, perhaps officially, besides the fact that really through the mass media through various media resources, this information, like for everyone else, became available to some official position neither

of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, nor the ministry of internal affairs of affairs, which coordinates the activities of the state security service in the committee. according to my information, at the moment there is none, if there is such a theory, you know the theories, there are many, that it is possible that there are really more trained specialists there in the police and in the state emergency service, which is precisely why they want to attract although would some percentage from these structures in order to strengthen today's armed forces of ukraine, can there be such an argument, and again, what do you, as a member of the specialized committee, know about this? i think that argument definitely does not stand up to criticism because when we talk about, i emphasize again, about no security system, that is public security supported by, for example, the national police, and fortunately we have a full-scale invasion, we we have a terrorist war, which the world has not seen in the last half century, but the level crime on the streets, in cities, there is no

such, let's say, rapid growth, there are some small ones. the growth is connected precisely with the fact that the citizens of ukraine have quite a large number of weapons in their hands, including illegal ones, and we are also working on this issue in order to legalize these weapons, but in general , the crime curve does not demonstrate a rapid upward movement , and this is the merit of the national police, as well as the activity of the national security service, when we see some emergency events, fires, there are other emergency events, very quickly the representatives of the national security service react, and this... is also a component of security, so we cannot, well, i, as, let's say, a people's deputy, as the head of the subcommittee on state security, definitely do not agree with the fact that one component of state security should be strengthened due to the weakening of the second component, because if we now mobilize a certain number of policemen, as a result of this , our wives, parents, and children will be afraid

to go out on the streets, then this is definitely not the path that should ensure our struggle for the independence of the territory. integrity, therefore here it is necessary to take a very balanced approach, i am convinced that the cabinet of ministers of ukraine, which, by the way, according to the constitution must ensure national sovereignty, state security and national security, this is enshrined in one norm of the constitution, that is, they must take a balanced approach to balancing and public safety and national security in a broad sense in general, mr. fedor, but very briefly, ending this topic, because there are other questions, and what can you do, if indeed such decisions have already been made in... for example, what you as a people's deputy you can to do with this, if you talk about how they agree, how illogical it is, well, if we see that the cabinet of ministers makes ill-considered decisions that harm, from the point of view of our understanding, in general, state security, national security, then, of course, we have mechanisms for adopting changes to the laws that will make such actions impossible, in particular with regard to

the specific percentage of reservations of the same policemen, dnsniks, etc., you are supported by your colleagues from the servant of the people from... other factions, well, you know, i can't right now about to answer this question, because apart from the fact that you have on the air such a discussion about representatives of the public emergency service , representatives of the police, apart from the committee meeting where we considered the relevant changes and where we advocated that all police officers should be 100% booked , we didn't talk about dnss members then, well, maybe there will be a reason to talk today, for example, to discuss it with your colleagues or somewhere in the chat rooms, because the issue is really urgent, you see, and the petition already has more than 30 thousand. signed, well , there are a lot of concerns about this, using the opportunity that you are on the air, i want to ask you about economic booking and a fair approach in the comments of the closed telegram channel times of ukraine you... stated that the cabinet of ministers is preparing a resolution with a list of positions that will be subject to reservation, where the process, categories, criteria

of reservation will be determined as fully as possible, taking into account the idea of ​​justice, now the work on this is somehow progressing, and again here is the question of economic reservation, how much in this in the context, there is work here to book those who replenish the ukrainian budget? this question of yours consists of two sub-questions, which have completely different answers, as i said at the beginning. we expect that today the cabinet of ministers of ukraine should approve a resolution that will determine all issues related to reservation, in accordance with the law on mobilization preparation, mobilization, which concerns economic reservation, then this issue should be resolved exclusively at the level of legislative regulation, therefore what without there are currently no amendments to the law that will allow people to be booked based on the criteria of some economic indicators, accordingly, only after discussions in the parliament will some issues be possible. to discuss and discuss widely, uh, please tell me, that is, the decision on economic reservation there in the parliament, for example, it has not

been decided yet on what model it will be, because earlier mr. arahamiya talked about the possible models of this process, you know , this is a question that is discussed in including and between people's deputies, and also yesterday we had such an unofficial, unofficial meeting with representatives of the ministry of defense, and there they also spoke in favor of... the possibility of economic armoring, i personally, my subjective position is that economic armoring, it will be questionably constitutional , because it will violate the principle of equality depending on the property situation, there are other points of view, what the final decision will be, i cannot predict at the moment, because this decision, i emphasize once again, must be adopted by consensus in parliament, and if 226 votes for the introduction of economic reservation are not collected, then it will not make sense to discuss it, let's wait until... some legislative initiatives are introduced and they will be discussed in parliament, then we will discuss it, for now it is premature , just as it is premature to say something about the mobilization of policemen,

dnesniks without legal regulation, we will receive a resolution of the cabinet of ministers and continue to discuss, uh, well, but nevertheless there is a reaction from society, so we these topics raise, and at the end we will continue to talk on our air about the level of training in the training centers of the armed forces of ukraine, the washington post, you probably saw she wrote: the article about the low level of training, this is what the military, to which the mobilized come after these training, here, how can you assess the situation, whether with the adoption of new legislation there, for example, there is somehow a movement to improve this training, so that more prepared, newly mobilized ukrainian military personnel get to the front, directly in those the changes that entered into force on may 18 , the question of strengthening or increasing the terms of preparation. before the execution of combat tasks, we did not regulate, this issue is regulated by internal legal acts at the level of the ministry of defense, the command of the armed forces of ukraine, it should be understood that this

issue encompasses several components: first, military servicemen in ukraine are recognized citizens of ukraine who have either completed military service or have some military training there, for example, a military department, or if they do not have either, then from the age of 25 they can be sent to the appropriate training. centers to undergo basic military training for one month, special training for two months, and then go to combat units. undoubtedly, if a person has not served in the military and has no idea how to handle a weapon, how to provide first aid in combat conditions , to hope that in one month he will receive very good training, well, unfortunately, we do not we can, but we have objective reality when we have to confront something, including... the growing capabilities of the aggressor country, that is why we have provided in the law that citizens aged 18 to 25 in the future must undergo basic

military service, basic military training, respectively, if they study or do not study in higher education institutions, and 3 months are general, two months are special, i think that after these norms of the law work, all citizens of ukraine will be ready for any further aggressive actions by any - what countries aggresorivsk i can be brief, but the quality of this training, how do you evaluate it with the information you have, well, i don’t know, on a five-point scale, i evaluate it differently, so i emphasize once again, you know, if a person has not had any training and during she was taught for a month, and it is the quality, how many cartridges are given to shoot, whether one has to wait for weeks to finally go to the range there and learn to shoot, whether there are proper conditions for eating there at all, food, medicine, what, these things are practical, how professional are the instructors. well you know, again, the situation cannot be extrapolated to all training centers, in some training centers people come out completely prepared, in some less well prepared, we keep this issue

under control, representatives of the committee periodically go to training centers, carry out , let's say, within the framework of the parliamentary control of the audit, how the training takes place, we communicate with the military personnel, of course talking about the fact that we have a five-point system for rating all training centers out of five, this is not true, as well as it is not true to say that everyone has a two, somewhere in the middle there are two, three or four points, somewhere in this range i would estimate, two, three or four points, well, thank you, mr. fedor, for joining, fedir venislavskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people and chairman of the subcommittee on security, defense and defense innovations. well, you can already write your opinion in the comments, it is important if you have experience of studying in these centers, write, maybe not where you were, but at least roughly what the conditions were, and if you have an important level information preparation, about the state of this preparation, you can also contact our journalists, on the radio liberty website there are all our

contacts in social networks at... you can write mail and provide this important information, we will check and ask questions to the speakers on our air . the training of those mobilized in ukraine before going to the front barely covers basic skills, the american newspaper washington post writes about this, and the publication refers to the field commanders of the armed forces of ukraine, who complain that the level of military training in training centers is insufficient. apparently, after their arrival at the front, you have to spend a lot of time to teach the soldiers at least how to shoot. some do not even know how to fold a gun, this was told by a journalist at the post, the deputy commander of one of the brigades, a soldier with whom the journalists spoke said that everything taught in training centers is nonsense, they say that everything must be learned on the spot, about he said this anonymously, and the officer who is engaged in the training of the mobilized also anonymously admits such a problem, but explains it as a lack of ammunition in training centers, for example, cartridges for shooting practice and grenades for mastering

throwing skills, and this applies to those newly arrived at the front who were mobilized much earlier, but still served in the body, this is said, i will remind you in the washington post article. the problem with the training of the military existed before, but against the background of the entry into force of the new law on mobilization, the teams are talking about explaining that the law alone will not solve the personnel problems of the army. i will note that, as reported in the ministry of defense, preparation mobilized before sending to the combat unit lasts at least a month. i will also add that in addition to... washington post sources about the need for better training of the military before going to the front. recently , the deputy commander of the battalion of the 47th brigade, oleksandr shershin, also spoke on our air. let's listen to a fragment from this broadcast, what he said. in my opinion, it is necessary to prepare, because then we already spend time here on the spot to prepare the staff that will leave. if there is a place, for now, well, this is their task, if their work, if they will treat these things

more. responsibly, accordingly, we will be able to spend less resources on this here and do our work better on the spot. we will talk about the quality of education further on our broadcast with the guests of this broadcast, and in the meantime, you can write again in the comments about your experience, perhaps about the experience of your relatives who have completed this training or are currently undergoing it and have something to share, to our roman donik joins the broadcast. head of the instructor-teaching group of the 151st of the training center and andrii zayets, a teacher of psychological training of the 150th training center of the tro forces of the armed forces of ukraine. gentlemen, congratulations, thank you for joining. good day. now i want to praise the heroes, i will ask you questions one by one. it is very interesting, and i think that in such a conversation it will be possible to fully talk about the current situation. the first question, how do you assess the level of training, the conditions in

which... the mobilized people study, roman, let's start with you. how do i rate where in training centers, for mobilized, which are being prepared to be sent to the front for combat missions. for the 151st training center, i can say that i highly appreciate. i highly appreciate several educational centers that were created there, maybe a little more, well, a year ago, a little more, but still , there are old educational centers. center where people just stay in tents for a month and that's all, and in principle they come out generally raw, so this is , well, an incorrect question, because in principle , i can say what i see, and the consequences of how people come, because we have very often brigade commanders contact us, and they send people to us for training, it 's called that, so in principle, if...