i would like to introduce our first guest today, this is pavlo narozhny, a military expert, volunteer, founder of the charitable organization charitable post. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good day. let's start our conversation with this decision of our western partners, there are already more than 12 of them, who allowed to use their weapons for strikes on the territory of the russian federation. what does this change for...ukraine and how can putin respond to the change in the situation on the russian-ukrainian first border, in particular in kharkiv oblast and sumy oblast? well let's start from the beginning with the fact that you understand what the situation was in kharkiv oblast in vorah, concentrated in the words of the supreme commander-in-chief president of ukraine zelenskyi, 90 km from the border, from the state border of ukraine in kharkiv oblast, thieves in...

90 km form a new group, on some concentration of forces there, what is happening there, what were the means of the ukrainian army, we could only use soviet artillery, the range of which there is 20, in some cases up to 30 km, at such a distance the enemy does not hold anything serious, there are no non-command points, there are no fuel depots, there are no more or less serious ammunition depots, we could only hit manpower, well, some enemy equipment, that's all... we could do with the help of soviet barrel artillery, then we got permission from sweden , from denmark and so on, these countries gave us long-range barrel artillery, well , for example, sweden gave us the sau archer, the range of which from a shot with the excalibur projectile is up to 60 km, but it is still barrel artillery, it is a relatively small strike, these are very expensive projectiles, and therefore , well

, these strikes could not have any serious impact on the... situation, we needed to get permission to use heavier, more serious artillery, we are talking primarily about hymars, hymars has two the types of ammunition that we have lost, the first is tsemerls, it is a projectile with a range of 84 km, it is a high-precision projectile that is capable of hitting in a circle of 15 m with the help of a universal guidance system and gps. and the second more powerful one is atakams projectiles, well, we know for sure what we have there are projectiles of 160 km and with some degree of probability, we have projectiles of 300 km, well, there was a lot of talk about this, but there was no confirmation of this information from official sources so far . and with the help of atakams shells, we can hit very expensive bricks, well, for example, we can reach the baltimore airfield, which is located in a city near the city, well, not far from the city of voronishk. and from which

bombers are launched, which drop air-guided bombs on the city of kharkiv, well , so far we have not seen such strikes either, what we have already seen, what changes the situation, the russian assinter published photos of the destroyed s-300 system, possibly s-400 in the belgorod region, the russians with the help of this s-300 system, they shoot ballistic missiles at the city of kharkiv, and... there several launchers were destroyed, the control center was destroyed there and the most important thing was the radar was destroyed, well, we can say that the whole complex was put under the knife and it will no longer work, which changes the situation, it means that the enemy will not shelling the city of kharkiv with ballistic missiles, and when we we will see strikes on the airfield, this means that the enemy will have to transfer their planes to other airfields, and... here we are already talking about the fact that

they will not be located 300 km from the city of kharkiv, they will be located 400-500 km away , that means what? this means that the resources of the planes will be used much more, they will not fly 600 km to drop one cab, well there or several cabs, but they will already fly there for 100-100 km. this is the fatigue of the pilots, this is the resource of the planes, this is future possible mistakes. pilots at dropping these cabs, that is, it all hurts us very badly. germany gave, gave permission to use patriot missiles, which they transfer to us to shoot down planes in russian airspace, and this is very important. why so, because the biggest threat to the peaceful city of kharkiv and to the defenders who are currently fighting in the kharkiv region is guided aerial bomb attacks. these guided aerial bombs are their... that's not

a very technically correct name, they're actually a family of different bombs, and the range of these bombs varies. 60 to 120 km. 120 km is the maximum range, it is achieved with the help of a jet engine, which is installed on this guided bomb, and we need to shoot down these planes, well , in order to protect kharkiv region, we can do this exclusively from the long- range air defense system, it is either sampt , or patriot, we don't have the others at the moment, we haven't got the f16 yet, so we don't have any other systems to shoot down at a long radius, so it's very important when... we start shooting down a lot of aircraft, then the enemy will stop using cable, well, it's in two words that western weapons will change the situation in kharkiv region. mr. pavle, but even before the adoption of these decisions, moscow's reaction was quite so

harsh, they talked about the fact that we will also respond, maybe even respond not only on the territory of ukraine, and medvedev, as always, threatened there. countries of eastern and western europe, german chancellor olaf scholz says that allowing ukraine to use the weapons transferred by germany on the territory of russia will not lead to any escalation, because it is about self-defense. in the comment earlier post he said: "we are convinced that this will not lead to escalation, because, as the president of the united states of america said, the question is only about being able to protect such large cities as, for example, kharkiv. in your opinion, will this opportunity of ours and our new opportunities lead to an escalation, when russia can move to a new stage, or to a new level of shelling

of ukrainian territory, and these threats, which are sounded in the direction of our western partners, as far as they can be... implemented moscow, well, first of all, what, what can be escalation, the use of tactical nuclear weapons, well, a lot has been said about this, if russia starts using tactical nuclear weapons, it can already be considered as a blow to nato countries, well, because it is impossible to deliver such a blow so that it would be in the radius there 3- 5 km, so that there is no pollution, so that this pollution does not get there to other european countries, and so on, in addition, there are... huge doubts that the enemy has this tactical weapon, it is in a combat-ready condition, because with official sources know that they had a leak by 2000 warranty period for the use of these weapons, after that, again , there was no information in official public sources

that they directed funds to the purchase or support of these nuclear weapons, chemical weapons could theoretically be so, because the enemy uses them in ... with ukraine, well, so far it’s relatively small scale, they drop grenades with chloropicrin there, they have some not, well, not 100% confirmed information about the use of artillery ammunition with chemical weapons, but again, any confirmation of the use of such weapons - this violation of a bunch of international conventions signed on the protection of chemical weapons, on the prohibition of chemical weapons, which russia signed and so on, all other types russia would have already used, they hit us with ballistic missiles, dagger, iskander, they hit our territory with missiles, heavy, anti-ship missiles, such as x20, oh, yes, x-22, if i’m not mistaken, there is a missile in which the warhead sinks, and it is of rather low

accuracy, they hit, for example, a hotel in odesa, with such a missile, they were shooting zircons and so on, so i'm at the moment i can't... something that the enemy can use and that can, well, raise the degree of escalation on the territory of ukraine, because almost all types of weapons, they have already used wars against us, can they currently, do they have the resources to start fight with any nato country, there, if we take it there, let’s say, if germany gives us permission and we start using their weapons there, or there, let’s say storm shadow, we will start hitting the airfields in the russian way, i am more than sure that such resources in russia there is no more to open... the fronts will start to fight with great britain or, say, with france, and then the level of escalation will already be higher, and then, unequivocally, it will not be a war with great britain or france, it will already be a war with the entire nato bloc, then it will already be fought from the usa, then

us aircraft carriers will already be used, and this is the most powerful weapon in the world. mr. pavle, zekonmist writes that thanks to the missiles received by the armed forces of ukraine... with a range of 300 km, crimea has turned from a logistics center into a deadly a trap for russian troops, i will quote the publication: ukraine is trying to make ... crimea became a liability for putin, not an asset. the goal is to isolate the peninsula, suffocate it as a logistics center, thus pushing russian air and naval forces away from southern ukraine. so, well, taking into account how the economist evaluates crimea, and we understand that the crimean peninsula can turn into an island in the near future, how soon can the armed forces of ukraine... turn crimea from an asset of putin

on the passive, well, what are we seeing now, well, first of all , there were completely official statements by kirill budanov, the head of gur, about what will happen, that the crimean bridge will be demolished as an illegal building, and apart from words, we have recently seen a very large number of strikes on systems anti-aircraft defense, the s-300, s-400 were destroyed, and the radar was destroyed. airfields, airfield infrastructure, and so on were struck, in addition, a ferry was struck, warehouses with oil products, which were obviously intended to be transported to crimea, were destroyed, one was sunk by a steamer, and the other was damaged, here it is important to understand which paths the logistics are taking now, well, first of all... crimea itself is not so important, for them the zaporizhia and kherson

regions are more important, but in order to prove any cargo there, currently there are two ways: the first is through the crimea, through the crimean bridge, or the labor crossing, or by ships, bring something to the crimea, then load it on the railway, bring it to jonkoi, and unload it by trucks in jonkoi then lead to the zaporizhzhia region and or to kherson region is already used there. way number two is to bring it to mariupol by trucks or by some other means, load it on the railroad there, or drive the trucks further. the railway that goes from mariupol to melitopol is in the zone of action of ukrainian artillery, here we are not even talking about haimarsy, but we are talking about even soviet barrel artillery, which can reach this railway branch from the city of buglidar. the enemy is now actively building a new branch from rostov, through mariupol in berdyansk, well, it will go, or is already going along the sea of ​​azov, but here again there are

many questions, first of all, there is a bridge under the granite one in the donetsk region, which they are building, and on this bridge there were absolutely official reports about several strikes, when engineering equipment was destroyed and so on, therefore the existence of this branch is currently under great question, well, to what extent it is able to transport some cargoes and so on, and the main cargoes still... go through the crimea. the enemy is afraid because of the crimea bridge to carry goods, because there was one very successful strike, when a truck exploded on the crimean bridge. the sbu later confirmed that it was their special operation. the truck exploded, at that very time a railway train with diesel was driving on the bridge, the diesel caught fire and after that they repaired this railway branch for about six months. it was a very serious, very powerful blow to the military. contact with the enemy, they made conclusions, began to transfer cargo with large

landing ships and passwords, large landing ships were destroyed with the help of missile strikes, with the help of naval drones, and they have only one way left, which is ferry crossings, by air, by airplanes, well, it is absolutely impossible to transport such a large amount of cargo, so now there is such a big question, when will the crimean bridge is destroyed, and we see the preparation for this, the destruction of the systems on... why yes, because we have, well, from such heavy weapons, we have a shadow storm with a 450 kg warhead, and potentially we have atakams missiles with a high-explosive bogelo, well, it's official there is no confirmation of this information, but it is possible from a technical point of view, and the question arises, when a blow will be delivered to demolish the crimean bridge, then the enemy will deliver anything to the crimea, there will be only one way left, along the azov sea. along this uncompleted railway or truck and it will be a very long, very problematic way under

the shelling of ukrainian artillery under the strikes of drones and so on, and then 2 million people who are in crimea, it will be a problem for them, well, because there are approximately well the population was 2 million before the war until the 14th year, and approximately 1 million were brought by the russians after the occupation, how many there are, it is difficult to say, and it will all pass along the coast. sea of ​​azov, that is, it will not be just a problem for the enemy, but simply a catastrophic problem from the point of view of logistics, they will deliver goods there. thank you, mr. pavle, for the conversation, it was pavlo. military expert and we friends continue to work live on the channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are there now watch us live, please join our pages, and also take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: do you understand the principle of booking from mobilization in ukraine, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have

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these bilateral security agreements should guarantee ukraine. support in the war with russia? well, first of all, the translation is absolutely accurate, i read the original article, and it is clear that this is not a very positive signal for ukraine before the day of the summits in washington, it is clear that we expected half a step forward, we understand that they cannot accept us in nato now, but we definitely would like clear political guarantees that... let's say, something would be more than nato's door being opened for ukraine. and of course, this is a holiday for our enemies, because they will be on the same side are motivated to continue this war because they understand that nato will not protect ukraine, that we will not become nato members in the near future. well, on the other hand, from a pragmatic point of view , it is clear that this administration adheres to

such a crisis management approach, and not to a strategy that would lead to the victory of ukraine and to... the entry of ukraine in full, internationally recognized, i mean territorial, let's say, in nato ranks. it is unfortunate that this is so, and it is clear that joseph biden believes that these agreements that we are signing have already been signed with a number of countries, and are going to sign with the united states, there are those who are helping ukraine in this war. i hope that they do not take them as security guarantees, because they ... in fact they cannot be, but it is clear that under the circumstances this is the maximum that we can hope for, that is, to strengthen us now in this war and strengthen us in in the future, so that we will be able to deter russian aggression after it ends, well, that is, if we make a forecast for the washington summit, which will take place in july, the anniversary summit, obviously there is very

a lot of good words will be said about the alliance and how it protects all and all members of the alliance, so this is a warning to zelenskyi, which was written about by the western media, so that he does not torpedo the issue of ukraine's accession to nato at the summit, it is obvious is it true? yes, well , the position of the ukrainian authorities regarding both the peace summit and nato is clear, we are trying to increase the pressure on... our partners, on those who are afraid of something, first of all, of course, it is the united states, but also germany, and in the case of a peaceful summit, we are trying to attract as many countries as possible from the so-called global south, and of course we would like to see joseph biden, although i understood from the media that the vice president and also the

national security adviser will be present at the summit, well, it might not be bad, or.. . the level of the vice president is very good, but to be honest, i would be more happy to see mr. blinkin, he is probably the only hawk in the current administration, and it is clear that this would be a positive signal for ukraine, but in any case - in any case, i i understand the ukrainian authorities, which are trying to use this moment to get the most out of the nato summit, to go beyond the repetition of catchphrases, that nato's door is... open, that ukraine belongs to nato, that there will be a moment in the future when we become nato members. of course, we would like more than these already somewhat... let's say, far-fetched phrases. at this peace summit that you mentioned, which starts on june 15th in switzerland, there will be no china, and, but there will be, as you

said, vice president kamala harris, and national security adviser, jake sullivan, what do you think beijing really wants by refusing this meeting, is it a game for putin or a game for? to still be an influential pole of the world. china has its own interests that do not coincide with the interests of ukraine and our partners who support us. by and large, not all interests of the russian federation coincide with china, but in this case , china is clearly the advocate of the russian federation, it is trying to create an alternative platform. i understand that the chinese fear so that... there will be such a large international coalition that will already fix certain positions of the ukrainian peace plan, and of course, it will be much more difficult then to help russia choose

some of its positions there, china, in fact , the day before, or rather, it seems that somewhere last week there was a visit the minister of foreign affairs of china to brazil, there was a joint statement where they said, well, the right things on the one hand, but for sure... they do not apply to russia, that you cannot aim at civilian objects, you cannot kill the civilian population, that's all it is clear, but russia does not comply with international humanitarian law, and it was said that there should be such a platform where the russian federation can also be present, we understand that there is no sense in this, because russia will block any decision that it could be at the summit like this, and the most important thing is that we understand that the russian federation is not interested in peace, it is... interested in ukraine recognizing itself as defeated and agreeing to new territorial realities, well, here's a list of what moscow wants , this and

blocking our membership in nato, i am sure that there will be demands for the european union as well, as well as many other things that would actually dismantle ukrainian statehood, that is, the chinese in principle support this, they would like this war to end, but on the other hand they cannot allow. for russia to lose this war and they will support it at all costs, thank god that so far they do not support with weapons, but they support very much both with ordinary trade and with dual-purpose goods and above all microchips that make it possible to build missiles and weapons, that is, china is playing its own game, which, in principle, plays along with mr. putin, and also, as we heard, that president zelensky during his stay in singapore. accused the chinese side not only of tolerating this summit by not participating, but also of influencing other players, well, we know that saudi arabia is not going

to be present there, probably also the same brazil, because here the positions of china also coincides, i think that there are other countries on which china has influence, and of course they wouldn't want to see those countries at our peace summit, by the way, john kirb... and the adviser, or rather the white house national security spokesman, says, despite the fact that joseph biden will not be at the summit, but he says that there is no leader in the world who would support ukraine more and more decisively than joe biden, regardless of who will represent the united states at this summit, and who, by the way, will be represented by vice - the president of the united states of america, it cannot be claimed that we somehow somehow left from the support of ukraine, well , it is clear that the most important thing in this story is to understand what the final of this peace summit will be,

what do you think, mr. oleksandr, what do you think will be a success for ukraine, is what you agreed to be a success for ukraine to delegate there the representatives of 106 countries of the world, this is already self-indulgence, isn't it? and any decisions or communiqués, resolutions that will be passed in this meru summit, when we can say that this peace summit was a success? well, you know, the main tasks of the ukrainian side for this summit are these actually stimulate our partners, who have supported us until now, we must constantly do this, we must not look at the support of even the countries of the free world as something that is by default, and the most important thing is to involve the countries of the so-called global afternoon, it is very important that we actually fix, you know, nail down certain points that... from which we are not

going to depart during the next summits or negotiations, and of course, during possible negotiations with the russian federation, i don't believe that it can happen in the present regime, but in any case, we really need these countries to sign up to our certain points, and we will have moral, diplomatic, let's say, leverage so that they do something about it, and most importantly, ukraine has his peace plan. everyone else, including china, has no such plan, they have a political position on the settlement of the ukrainian crisis, what they call russian armed aggression, and no one else has any realistic proposals on how to do it. the russian federation cannot put forward such a plan for obvious reasons, because it will not meet the norms and principles of international law, and of course, it will be simply

impossible to fix it, therefore. important for us is the consolidation of support, especially drawing out those who have not yet expressed such support, with the possibility of putting pressure on them later, and actually establishing behind them a single peace initiative, a real peace initiative, that the ukrainian peace plan does not contain anything that no matter what is in international law, in the un charter, the final act of the csce and other international documents party. which include the russian federation, china, and other countries that have already said that they will not participate in this summit, or may refuse to participate in this summit, so this is an important thing, important from the point of view of consolidation, support of ukraine's position and well, actually supporting ukraine not only with words and declarations, but with weapons, weapons, humanitarian aid, economic aid and isolation

of russia. of the federation, mr. oleksandr, an important event, or rather, it is stretched in time, this event is the granting of permission to the armed forces of ukraine to use western weapons for attacks on the russian federation. we have already seen how hymars works on the s-300 and s-400 installations located in the belgorod region, which are shelling kharkiv. minister of defense of the netherlands kaisa ollogren said. that her country will give ukraine permission to use the transferred f-16 fighter jets, including for strikes on targets on the territory of russia. we apply the same principle to aircraft as to all other arms shipments. since we handed it over to ukraine, ukraine decides how to use it. we only we ask you to observe international law and the right to self-defense, as defined by the un charter. this means that they can

use weapons to defeat the military. which she needs to strike for the purpose of self-defense. mr. oleksandr, what happened so radically in the perception of our western partners of the russian-ukrainian war that they took such a step: the shelling of kharkiv, the offensive on kharkiv oblast, is it possible that there is any additional information that they have received there? well, first of all it should be said that... that this is a completely unsuccessful strategy, which was applied to us and the russian federation in washington from the very beginning, that we cannot strike on russian territory, and i want to remind you that in the 22nd year we were not even allowed to strike on occupied crimea , were afraid of the escalation of the russian federation, but first of all, ukraine crossed these red lines, we did not violate our agreements with partners, we did not use western

weapons over russian ones.