for the purpose of self-defense, mr. oleksandr, what happened cardinally in the perception of our western partners of the russian-ukrainian war, that they took such a step: the shelling of kharkiv, the offensive on kharkiv oblast, is it possible that there is any additional data that they have there, intelligence data that they received , well, first of all, it should be said that this is a completely unsuccessful strategy, which was applied to us and the russian federation in washington from the very beginning, the fact that we cannot strike on russian territory, and i want to remind you that in the 22nd year we still do not they very much allowed to strike in the occupied crimea, they were afraid of the escalation of the russian federation, but first of all, ukraine crossed these red lines, they did not violate our agreements with partners, we did not use western weapons on russian territory, we struck with what we had. well, not ukrainian,

actually russian freedom fighters crossed the state border with the russian federation and there restored order in the regions adjacent to ukraine, that is one story, that is, when we act as an actor, another story is what the way the russian federation acts, how it escalates, and actually this is the story since 2014, that i constantly remind that the first one is serious. serious sanctions against russia were introduced not in connection with the illegal annexation of crimea, not in connection with the crimes committed by the russian federation in the territory of the donetsk-luhansk region, but in connection with the downing of the malaysian wallpaper, that is , every time the russian federation commits some incredible crime, our western partners are horrified and cross these red lines of fear, their internal fear that russia can somehow escalate the situation. if

we are talking about this very permission, the only thing is that there are different readings in the public space, we do not know whether this applies to the entire territory of the russian federation along our border, or only around the kharkiv region, but it is clear that washington has absolutely realized that non-supply of weapons to ukraine for almost six months gave the russians an advantage, they grouped and threatened. kharkiv, i am not talking about the fact that they actually erase it every day with their bombings, and of course, that not wanting, let's say, to give the russians a head start and the opportunity to seize certain positions around kharkiv, such a decision was made, which, well, half-decision, but thank god, even if it was such that we could destroy the accumulation of power of the russian federation's means, which then were used on our territory there... to the north of kharkiv, i

hope that there will be no other terrible tragedies related to ukraine, so that eventually the american partners will overcome the remnants of all these fears and already allow ukraine to fight in full force, using all available means, especially since ukraine, firstly, has never violated its agreements with its partners, that is, it has not used western weapons in the way that we... were allowed, and secondly, our strikes on russian territory have never violated international humanitarian law rights, we do not destroy civilian infrastructure, we strike exclusively at those objects that feed this war, or feed the war economy in order to kill ukrainians. thank you, mr. oleksandr, for the conversation, it was oleksandr hara, a diplomat, and we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well. on our

youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our pages, like this video and vote in our poll, today we ask you if you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization ? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion that goes beyond these two answers, please write in the comments below this video if you are watching us in tv broadcasts, i'll take a smartphone. or phone and vote if you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization in ukraine 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers without are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development. mr. igor, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening. let's start our conversation with

how ukraine is currently experiencing the blows to the energy sector of the state, and we have the consequences of these in... for the last several months, the russian federation has been actively trying to break the energy sector of ukraine, and we see what is happening in cities and in villages, they turn off the lights because there is not enough electricity for everyone, which in the current conditions, in your opinion, the world can do, given that... that what the russian occupiers are doing is leading to a humanitarian disaster in ukraine, and this is a violation of all absolutely international rules and conduct of war. well, it can even be counted as such to some extent

one of the manifestations of genocide, if you look very carefully at the documents that regulate this issue, then such things are directly related to this. and what can the world do? well, there are three components here. the first component. and this is clear, the maximum assistance to ukraine in the restoration of generation, the maximum decentralization of this generation, that is, the funds that we currently receive for the restoration of this entire energy infrastructure, they must be significantly increased, and in principle , here countries must focus on to help ukraine to restore this generation as quickly as possible, well, to be more precise, not so quickly, well, as soon as possible, because we understand that there are certain objective points, and these points must be taken into account, this is the first thing, the second thing... the thing is, of course, strengthening well, there is such a serious pressure on the russian federation itself in order for it to stop these strikes. i won't even talk about sanctions, which all the brainstorming sessions have already filled, because we see that the world implements these things quite difficult, but there are certain areas, at least more or less serious

a well-founded and backed-up threat to introduce sanctions there would really be able to influence the russian federation and force it to stop these strikes, at least for a period of time. for example, this is the field of nuclear energy. which is very important for russia and against which no sanctions have been introduced to date, so in this context it is certainly possible to work in this direction and force russia in this way to reduce those barbaric absolutely terrorist attacks that it carries out. well and the third most important moment, we gradually began to solve this issue, but little more is needed, this is the provision of such weapons to ukraine and permission to use weapons on the territory of the russian federation itself, so that we can minimize. those strikes that russia is making without destroying the missiles in the sky over ukraine, because we see how the situation is in the dnipro, in other cities, in kharkov, which are constantly shelled, fragments fall and the fragments also carry a great danger, and so that it actually happened on the territory of the russian federation, so that it happened, well, like strikes on

launchers and planes and on many other points, but these three components in combination can lead to a certain effect, because there is simply some facility there. russia should not do this, well, they do not act, we see that they do not care, the russians respect only force in this regard, and these stories combined, they can, well, influence russia in such a way that, well, at least hits on its critical infrastructure stop it kharkiv has no electricity generation left, he said the mayor of the city ihor terekhov, and he told in an interview with the estonian newspaper yrr that a very difficult heating season is ahead, but kharkiv is counting on... the help of the government of ukraine and foreign partners to purchase many small power plants. let's hear what teriho said. we will spend funds from both the city budget and the future government subvention. i have such a hope. in addition, we have

agreements with berlin to sign an agreement to provide us with 25 million euros for these purposes. the edb has already sent us a draft of such an agreement. i i count on these funds. to purchase such equipment, however, i would like to point out that it is a very complicated process, because such equipment is produced for several months. well, mr. igor, the government plans to facilitate the importation of energy equipment into ukraine, which was also mentioned by terikhov, and to support small generation, denys shmyhal, the prime minister of ukraine, announced this today during the government meeting. let's listen to shmygal. removal of customs and bureaucratic barriers for importing generators, solar panels, accumulators, inverters and other things into ukraine equipment and parts for such equipment, support for consumers who will install their own generation, in particular through the provision of soft loans,

installations for powering critical infrastructure should be installed in each regional center, we are talking about dozens of mini- electric power plants throughout the country, sir. igor, it is clear that the current situation arose because of the aggression of the russian federation, because of the attacks of the russian occupiers on our energy-generating companies, but in... at the same time, judging by what terekhova shmyhal says, that we lack these mini-stations, mini-power plants, that is , the problem was in monopolization, that is , there were monopolists who held and continue to hold this electrical and energy infrastructure, as a result of which the removal of several test cheeses leads to the fact that the lack of a sufficient number of .. of electricity leads to blackouts, in your opinion, could

such a situation have been avoided and is this what we have, a consequence of this oligarchization of ukraine itself, when several large financial and industrial groups simply made money from it and kept it all in their hands, not allowing these small stations to develop, listen, any person who works in the field of energy, and in... in the highest positions, will tell you that the situation is exactly this, that there was monopolization and due to this , the possibilities for these mini-stations were completely destroyed, which, by the way, many representatives of other business areas there proposed to build, but when we had a boom and this boom even continued to some extent after the beginning of the war in general, what is russia like? began against ukraine, that is, since the 14th year for the construction of, for example, cottage towns and so on, very often... they often offered to build such objects together with them, but they could not do it, because the legislation in this way was it is written that

all this belonged to several or even one large company, this company was a monopoly and issued invoices and actually carried out, well , supplied its own generation, that is, to what was being built, and then they made good money from it, so here, on the one hand, well , shmyhal, he states that we have negatives consequences due to lack of political will to change. this situation, the problem here is something else, why is this question being asked in the third year of a large-scale war, because in fact during the 22nd year there were such warnings from specialized experts who said that the government should first of all prepare for such a possibility as much as possible let's say we will police this field and make it possible to import, including small generation objects, which can be used later. currently, we have reached a critical situation without having a suitable... regulatory framework, this is a very important moment, having monopolized the market, it

takes time to overcome it, because it is not done quickly, plus now we still have to look for western suppliers and partners who will be ready to do it and bring it, well that's why that, in principle, they also need to make money from this, and we need to create appropriate conditions, and look, there is another very important point here, a purely social one, unfortunately, we did not hear much about it from the mouth of the prime minister, but it was necessary to start with this. i don't say now about the increase even in electricity prices, in the end one can find here many different explanations why this happened, and not all of them are of a subjective, let's say , nature, there are really objective ones. the question is different: when we have such a problem, the mayors of big cities talk about it, the prime minister talks about it, now we have to think about how to solve it from a social point of view, because we have a huge number of people who are low-income, these are, first of all , pensioners, and it is essential to think about how to help them right now. some portable ones things that will allow them to be without electricity, well

, in the coming months, because they, for example, do not have the opportunity to buy even an elementary power bank, that is, you know that for them, such a purchase is, well, from the category of something sky-high, that is, it is big money, and it is necessary to start with this as well, to remove customs duties for the importation of similar goods there so that a part of ukrainians, those who can afford it , yes, they... also bought all this just in case were ready for the problems that we will actually have in the energy sector, and the prime minister said today that we have to get used to the fact that we will live with these problems for the next few years, and that is why the social aspect is also important, in addition to deoligarization, demonization, making certain decisions, and solving this problem by simply creating a large number of providers that will provide these services, the only thing i still have, you know, is this little clarification, i would... i really don't want this de-politicization or de-oligarchization, it turns into this

very primitive, come on this is conditional let's say, nationalization, and then some new owners will come, and we will replace one oligarch with another, relatively speaking , because there were such ideas, and in principle, there may be an attempt to implement them, so we hope that this after all, it will not happen, because it would look very bad, especially during the war, so... so that it does not turn out like with a single telethon, when a single information flow is controlled by several people, but we have already deoligarhized, that is, and these people actually drive them. channels, see more oleksandr lytvynenko, the secretary of the national security council, made one interesting statement, he says that russia is determined for a long-term war with ukraine, and in the worst case, it can turn kharkiv into a second aleppo. he stated this in an interview with the wall street journal. he recalled that in aleppo, russian aviation destroyed

the electricity and water supply systems, as well as bombed hospitals and schools. then the population of the city decreased to a third of to the military level, they simply displaced people, this is what they want to practice around kharkiv, lytvynenko believes, obviously russians think not only about kharkiv, maybe they think the same way about kyiv, maybe they think the same way about the dnipro, big cities without electricity and without water supply will turn into cities where not so many people will live, i.e. a third of the people , there two thirds can go somewhere. to live in a village or to the west of ukraine, and this is obviously putin's tactic, i and i started our conversation with this, and i will still continue with the same, can the international community now intervene in this, because in the case of zalep they didn't do it, they bombed that

city, there is nothing left of that city, we see like ten... we already have aleppo in small towns, bakhmut, avdiyivka, and many, many different smaller towns and villages in the east of ukraine. when in the end the world will start talking to russia as a criminal, a war criminal, a war criminal, which is right now, well, if it is difficult to prove that this is a genocide of the ukrainian people, because it went on for a long time. procedure, but from a position of strength, when it will force you not to put ukrainians on survival limit? well, this is actually an interesting question, i think that the world is gradually starting to deal with it, and we can see it from the latest statements and from the latest decisions, of course, not everything is happening as quickly as we would like, and how it

would actually be, well, be, but there are certain attempts, certain efforts, at least in this context. therefore, here we must still take into account that some changes we are seeing now, they are not yet of a tectonic nature, but they are, maybe, well, one, let's say, a reason that will make the world faster to think about it, i really don’t want to believe in the realization of this scenario, but this scenario involves, well, an increase in the number of refugees there, for example from ukraine, several million more who will leave there for european countries, and then they will really have to somehow - to respond to others. well, the only point here is that, of course, this is not syria, the attention is much more focused and we will receive much more help, so here we just have to start calling things by their proper names, that putin is an outright terrorist, and the world should be interested in stopping it now, the democratic world, because if it doesn't happen, by the way, i agree with the maxim that biden

expressed in the last interview, where he said that if ukraine does not stand up and we we will not help her win. then poland or some other country will be next, where the russian federation will actually come, but it must be based on this that we need to talk more about it on the example of ukraine, i see, i think that we need more attention, including on to the state level, because with all due respect to a really important forum, summit, or rather peace, yes, which will be held in switzerland, this is a necessary thing and a lot of effort has been invested in it, and so on, but it is necessary to hold a similar summit in parallel and with regard to those... war crimes and genocidal practices, such as terrorism, which are used by the russian federation, on the example of every place, include the mayors there, let them tell stories, show photos there, shoot videos, and right from the street, what is happening, that is, we are on attention should also be focused on this, because we are talking about a global humanitarian catastrophe, which, look, here there can and should be even a certain cynical

calculation, it can directly hit the european union, including at least, and here it is necessary to approach them with this point of view. you don't want to help push now as much as you can, then you will pay twice or 10 times more in the future when it comes to you, or you will be flooded with refugees who simply will not be able to hold on there in ukraine , we need one of these these moments must come out and then demand from the world a completely different reaction to what is happening now, it is clear that the world will treat ukraine accordingly, if in ukraine, too, efforts are made to develop democracy, to fight corruption , that is, there is a whole set of options that western partners also want to see in ukraine, there are fresh ones... of the kyiv international institute of sociology, and the results of this survey indicate that 43% of ukrainians believe that in 5 years of the presidency

zelenskyi, the situation with democracy in ukraine has worsened, 28% of them are convinced that this happened due to the authorities' efforts to curtail the rights and freedoms of citizens, while 19% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy has improved, and 29% that it has not changed, mr. igor, you , in your opinion, has the situation with democracy in ukraine worsened during the 5 years of zelensky's presidency? i believe that it has worsened, and i am not one of the 11% who say that the first reason is the war. i would divide, it worsened after the 22nd year objectively because of the war, but it is very rapidly worsened by the 22nd year, not because of a large-scale war, but because of certain actions, well actually. authorities, and look, here you can make a sad joke, well, this is only the office of the president, you can congratulate them on the fact that they even avoided the war, but this is actually a very

revealing moment and a very dangerous moment, and the adequate authorities must react to this, make certain conclusions, because this is a very alarming bell, which actually says that ukrainians have a good understanding of what is happening in the country, there is this study, it is detailed, it talks about forms of government and many other things, and it is also very unambiguous. answers, and by the way, one more interesting point, if in the 22nd year in a similar survey conducted by kmis, which was conducted by almost, well, more than half, a little more than half of ukrainians said that they are not against a strong hand now, well, because the war and so then, after a year actually in the 20th, well, the 23rd came, yes in the 24th year, there is practically no demand for a strong hand, it is much smaller than the demand for a normal democracy in general, and this is also indicative, it is also a signal to the authorities that you had a certain credit of trust there in the 22nd year and... you did something with it in the 23rd, in the 24th, you somehow destroyed it and clearly not exclusively for the protection of the country and that is why these data are very telling, by the way, i am afraid that they are at their

maximum, i saw it already today, they are starting to be used, including by the russians, well, they are doing it from their point of view, they are starting to try to spread certain theses to the western audience there there and so on, they don't read into the details, they take some kind of general picture, but that's it number and a signal for us, on the one hand, it pleases, because it is clear that... they are sorting things out, trying to evaluate and reach certain conclusions, to send some kind of signal to the authorities there, on the other hand, well, it is disappointing, because the authorities , such surveys saw in previous years as well, and there was also a certain tendency to reduce democracy there and so on, and the fact that now the number of people who believe that it has worsened has become more, shows that the authorities in previous years did not draw conclusions . thank you, mr. igor, for the conversation. it was ihor reiterovich, a political expert. friends, we are about... we continue to work live on the tv channel and on our youtube and facebook platforms, now we will look at the intermediate results of our survey, we are asking you today about

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