0800 211 381 no 0800 211382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today we have people's deputies of ukraine on air. i am glad to welcome to our program yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian affairs and information. mr. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, we have some problems with ms. yevgenia krypchuk. yaroslav zheleznyak, people's deputy of ukraine from faction of the voice, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on finance, tax and customs policy. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for inviting me. we have a blackout in kyiv right now, so... you know, we are also in

kyiv, we, we understand you perfectly, thank you for joining despite such a difficult situation with electricity, and we have the contact should be mykhailo tsimbalyuk, please let me know if he is in contact, we are waiting for the inclusion of mykhailo tsimbalyuk and the resumption of contact with yevgenia kravchuk, and if she is already in contact, let me know if you see us. the problem now is with the inclusion of our guests due to a power outage across the country, mr. yaroslav, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether they understand the principle of booking from mobilization in ukraine, i will ask you and me whether you understand the principle of booking from mobilization and does the existing system satisfy you? no it is not clear, moreover

i am convinced that there will not be any person in our country, including a high-ranking official, who would sincerely answer otherwise, because this system is quite chaotic, and as far as i am concerned, this is a matter for the ministry of economy and the ministry of defense, also put things in order, an elementary example, recently we... remember the scandal with circuses that our circuses were booked as an important defense enterprise or important for defense capability, that's why this booking, this solution was found i happened to be checking what kind of enterprise itself, which are necessary for defense capability, or another example - it is the same with bookmakers and with other companies, well... in our country, first of all, we just need to somehow

rank, well, we cannot conditionally equate a defense enterprise to circus, with all due respect to the first and second, well, it should at least be renamed there so that people do not laugh, and secondly, well, there is a rather opaque system, and your colleagues from the bihust program made an excellent material about how the representatives of the sushein are booked there and so on don't walk for a long time, who has internet and light or at least internet. go to workua or olx now and select jobs with reservation, you will see many jobs there and shop assistants, gardeners, cleaners, drivers, well that is, well i mean not military drivers and not even for logistics yes, but ordinary ones just there for conditional transportation of one or two managers of the company. well

sorry but how did they get this booking and why didn't the others? therefore, this system is really quite chaotic, and it seems to me people who criticize it not in a populist way, but with such examples, well, they are right, none of my colleagues, neither from the government, nor from the opposition, can explain the logic of such approaches to me, but unfortunately, they cannot explain why , understanding the problem, we still haven't solved it... thank you, mr. yaroslav, your colleagues mykhailo tsimbalyuk from batkivshchyna and yevheniya kravchuk from the servant of the people have already joined the conversation, ms. yevgenia, mr. mykhailo, i am glad to welcome you to our broadcast, and well as we ask our viewers, and have already talked to mr. yaroslav about whether he understands the principle of reservation from mobilization, because our survey to our audience sounds exactly like that, do you understand? you the principle

of reservation from mobilization, let's exchange ideas very briefly, whether you understand how this principle of reservation from mobilization works, if not clear what to do. and why exactly this principle, there are always some questions about this principle, mrs. evgenia, please, and congratulations, just problems with communication, i did not hear completely conversation, but from the answer of colleague yarosla, i understood that even the people's deputies did not fully understand the criteria, because in fact the criterion is not defense capability, but the so-called criticality of the infrastructure. and this is a broader concept than defense capability, moreover, in the context of the fields of our committee, humanitarian and information policy, it is even broader and more unclear, because in fact we are approached by, for example, representatives

of creative industries and various industries, well, for example, some architects or artists. well talent that is born for the century, let's be honest, or writers that are born for the century, can you call them part of the critical infrastructure, well , obviously it's very difficult to pick it up, because it has to be a state enterprise, or in the case of the information sector, it has to be some kind of critical critical media for informing citizens, which is absolutely understandable and correct, because... in fact, informing citizens is a critical infrastructure, but really these criteria are quite blurred, and sometimes what it appears in the press, it infuriates the citizens, but obviously those enterprises that are known,

well, in the custody of various ministries, cannot be selected under one criterion, another issue is, for example, the booking of fops. so self-employed citizens, some categories are really critical, indeed, these are individual specialists who are in the country, but they do not fall under the state enterprise, or at all, how to book a fop, if 50% of employees are booked, a fop is one person, therefore, indeed, well, there are many questions, and the demand for justice is great, but... it should be obvious that this balance between the economy, between culture, between information policy and the fact that everyone should go to immobilize, well, in order to understand and why, why we ask about this,

one fact is quite indicative, the leading state and private enterprises of the defense-industrial complex, appealed to the government not to mobilize officially employed... workers during the verification of the data of the shopping centers for reservations, as stated in this message, that despite the participation of such specialists in the performance of state contracts with a state customer in the field of defense and of particular importance for the military industry, immediately after passing the vlk, such employees are given a mobilization order without the possibility of making a reservation, that is, people go to the tcc to update their data and show that they have a reservation, they are told that it is a reservation does not work. mr. mykhailo, how are you? evaluate the reservation system that is currently in place, and is it a system, or is it a set of some circulars that were accepted, and now, well, glovo can book its employees, and let's say

yes, the defense industrial complex can't because when they go after this reservation, it turns out that they are given combat summons, as far as i'm concerned... there is no system, but the reservation is definitely necessary, because for a successful front, a successful economy must work , and today it happens chaotically, it all depends on how the head of this or that enterprise will be able to solve cases in the military local administration, after that he applies vertically to the ministries, to the cabinet of ministers, and only there they approve, what percentage, which employees, which... enterprises can be booked and in fact they are booking, in connection with the entry into force of the law on improving the military accounting of the immobilization reserve, in general , at first the cabinet of ministers canceled all bookings, now it seems that they have extended it

for a period of 3 months, and this is actually a big problem for the state, a big corruption component, and here you really need to be discharged. and normative documents, which will simultaneously provide a mobilization reserve, and on the other hand, guarantee more than that critical infrastructure, not only military. fishing complex, but also to other important industries so that they work, pay taxes, and so that such things do not happen that civil society does not really understand the approaches. so far, in my opinion, in this regard, the cabinet of ministers has lost communication with society and with the heads of local administrations, and no one, emphasizes the head with whom i spoke on the ground, can clearly explain neither the principles, nor the system, nor the approach. i went further, but once again i draw what it came from started: reservation is definitely necessary,

but it should be put in order, and we are waiting for such proposals from the cabinet of ministers, because this is their competence. thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav, for quite a long time, within the walls of the verkhovna rada, the issue of introducing economic banning was discussed, i know that your colleague natalukha commented quite actively. and quite actively promoted this possibility of creating an economic reservation, it seems that before this agreement was not reached in the upper echelons of power, and this issue has now been completely removed, you are sure surely you know whether or not there can be any other variations, the introduction of economic defense, whether it creates inequality for other citizens of ukraine, who, well, can’t do economic defense for themselves, well , look, any defense creates

inequality, and in principle, war - this is a very unfair thing, and secondly, with all due respect to my colleague natalukh, but this is not a question of the parliament, and any desire, as you called it, of the higher echelons of power, which, as i understand it, is slightly higher than the verkhovna rada, in parliamentary-presidential... republic to transfer this issue to the parliament as an unpopular one is wrong, because any reservation mechanism that you have heard colleagues is the prerogative of the cabinet of ministers, at least two resolutions of the government will solve it calmly, once again they can come up with any criterion, i you're not a big fan of economy booking, cheesy because i just can't imagine how we can explain it to people. but again, that's not my issue, that's the government's issue, they have all the authority and all the leverage

to resolve this, why would they they talk about it and don't do it, well, i don't have a less cultural answer here, why can't you go out to society and say, don't wait, it won't happen, it's not true and so on, i don't understand either, that's the worst. a situation when everyone learns about it from rbc, if i'm not mistaken, and then they leave, again my colleagues say yes and no, there seems to be a discussion still going on, but once again there is economicization, reservation according to the code of civil procedure, reservation what was mentioned today head, there it is because of the action of the city, well, it is the tickles of one big one, i can't call it system, because here, according to my colleague... there is no such thing, but it has, well, these are different pieces that are chaotic enough, and the correct and only

model that the government can make is to make, well, one set of rules for everyone, they will definitely not those that everyone will like, they will be criticized, we as the opposition will talk about it, the government there will defend it, this is a normal process, and there probably won't be any other approach, but the worst option is the chaotic nature of it. well, once again, why is there a dry land in one city, and this is a real example, booked, in others not, why are some companies that are not in any way related to military topics, even taxes, frankly speaking, do not pay, booked, like the same gambling company, this bookmaker company, which is one of the worst in terms of payment taxes, and others cannot, well, that is, it seems to me much more. now raises questions than any one systematic approach, it doesn't matter what we call it, economic

reservation, just reservation, strategic industries reservation, that's it, and secondly, if it is possible, i will respond very briefly, just to your question about the military-industrial complex, as far as i know from my colleagues from the committee, they will now solve this problem, and i hope that they will soon offer a solution, god willing, everything will work out there, and the cabinet of ministers should also regulate armor now. from the mobilization of all police officers and employees of the state emergency service , because they too were not included in the reservation, and as fedir vienislavskyi, your colleague, people's deputy of ukraine, says that cabins... should settle this, by the way, the petition on the website of the cabinet of ministers about reservations for the personnel of the fire protection and emergency services, operational-ritual service and other civil defense workers has already received more than 25,000 votes, well, we will keep an eye on on this topic because it is really important to many of those who work in the

critical infrastructure enterprises that perform tasks here in the rear. not not on the front line and not in the armed forces, and also doing important work, another important topic that will obviously be relevant for at least two more weeks, this is the global peace summit, which is to be held in switzerland on june 15-16, the chinese have already said that they will not participate in this meeting, the spokesperson of the united states of america department. matthew miller, commenting on china's refusal to participate in the peace summit, said that the united states of america does not see how china can play a positive role in ending the war, as it helps russia rebuild its defense and industrial base. let's listen to matthew miller. we have always clearly stated that china

could play a useful diplomatic role in the resolution of this conflict if he wanted to, but at present it is difficult. understand how they could play such a role given the actions china has taken in recent months to rebuild and reconstruct russia's defense industrial base, so we will continue to make it clear to china that we oppose such actions and will hold those involved accountable to this organization. we have already heard that our european colleagues are planning to do the same. mrs. evgenia, and what? will be a measure of its success peace summit, that is, what can the ukrainian government and ukraine in general get as a result of this? well, i would definitely not distinguish between the ukrainian government and ukraine here, we are one and the same here , absolutely, and it is very important that we record, as a country, our conditions, and actually

these conditions, they are expressed in these 10 points, okay, on the summit will be mainly discussed. three points - nuclear security, food security and the return of prisoners, including ukrainian children, why these three points, because they actually unite all countries, because all the countries and the global south, and everyone you don't ask, they, well, of course they say yes, of course we need to return ukrainian children home, this is how food security in the world should be, this is how you can't put tanks near... nuclear power plants, respectively, this is our position, this is ukraine's plan, and it must be clearly announced, noted, so that all these plans, chinese, african, who else will bring their plan, this is the main task,

of course, it is very important that as many countries as possible take part in this summit. in switzerland and the last number that he voiced president, if i'm not mistaken, there are more than 100 countries, this number changes, because someone is pressured by russia, someone agrees, someone on the contrary may even refuse, this is life, because russia really uses all the levers at once to make it not so, well no there was not so much support for this ukrainian plan. in my opinion, at the same time, we should concentrate on working with our key partners, those who give us the weapons with which we fight, those who give us air defense, with which we protect ukrainian cities and of the military, which conduct military operations, but nevertheless, we have to act globally, yes for the whole

world, and this is the first such meeting will be at the level of leaders. which will discuss exactly the ukrainian peace plan. thank you, ms. yevgenia, er, mr. mykhailo, on the eve of this summit, or rather, literally two days ago in singapore, president zelenskyi said that china is trying to disrupt this peace summit, because china has a great influence on the countries of the global south, and not only on the countries of the global south, and china is trying to play their game, the chinese are actually saying that there are no russians, there is nothing to talk about, if... there were russians, then we can talk about peace with the russians and ukrainians, how do you assess the prospects for the future. outline of peace in ukraine without a powerful player. china is a powerful player in the world and is much

more powerful than russia in this situation, because china probably claims to be a bi-polar, bi-polar world between russia and the united states of america. biden will not be at this summit, the vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris, and here... is it possible to draw this future contour of peace for ukraine without china? first of all , it is important that this summit will take place, because we know that russia has put in so much effort, and a few weeks ago there were actually big questions about whether it would take place, due to the fact that more than 100 countries will be participants, it seems to me. .. important, important, next, i agree with my colleague that it is important that our key partners are, and this will be

another field, to develop joint proposals for future conferences, which are possible will take place in the fall, one of them is already being announced, with regard to china, of course, nothing strange happened, we observed. such a very restrained position of china for these two years, at least, because now, in my opinion, the cards are open, but not all is lost, and i think that ah, a very important position of the united states, and ukraine, so that it does not become hostage to the global relations of the megapowers of the world, such as the united states, china, etc., because of which their bilateral relations will undoubtedly play a large role, but it is clear how

me, there will be serious concessions until the approach of future conferences, which will be painful more concrete decisions, if there are questions about the exchange. prisoners of war, this is an important archive for us, we know that almost a thousand of our heroes who left the battlefield almost under the guarantee of international partners, i mean azov and other combat units, it is important that they return to ukraine, exchange , rather, the return of ukrainian children who were illegally... taken out of the territory of our state, this is the same topic that can be resolved, and we know the readiness of many states regarding nuclear

safety, not only ukraine is interested here, the whole world must knock out the algorithm that did not exist before, because this is the first challenge to the international community when a nuclear plant is seized and it is not controlled. the state that owns it, that is, we will see how our partners will react to it. thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav, bloomberg writes that the peace summit can agree on the further involvement of representatives of the russian federation, that is, after the founding peace summit, i do not know to what extent the sources referred to by bloomberg and the documents they have at their disposal, how likely it is and... these theses about the constant involvement of russia in the negotiation process, which are heard from completely different sides, but in

mainly those who are putin's partners, or who help russia to circumvent sanctions now, or those who help russia with weapons, or should we expect a peace summit in the next stages, because it will be obvious the next stages or the next peace summits, what will be there presented russian federation, in answer to your question, the same as the bloomberg news, the yield is there, the question is just that yield, how much is it zero, my, my feeling so far is that it's close enough to zero, in terms of presence statements russia, well, let's not confuse the excuse and the reason, there are countries that... obviously won't go to the peace summit, and it's not the fact that we invited them, and they openly use their position, their attachment to

russia, but they are. .. other countries, and one of vivid examples are, of course, china, but the same saudi arabia, or brazil, or other latin american countries, which use as an excuse for their absence, the absence at the negotiating table, whatever china, russia, russia, china, vaka. they will come up with any excuse, but in fact , colleagues here have already voiced, well, it is clear , there are countries that, let's say, listen more to the position of the aggressor country, and the aggressor country is certainly not satisfied and definitely does not want to have such a summit, i am sometimes surprised, even what i hear from colleagues in the parliament, with all

due respect, i don't see why someone there is so critical of the summit. that there is no reason to rejoice here, if something goes wrong, he would very much like it to become a success story, but i think that we should not expect any quick or very loud results from the summit, well, that is not possible, because the result of our wars are now decided not at summits, but on the battlefield, and this is the only sad truth, but in any case it is good that ukraine is in this regard... well, let's put it this way, what is called in martial arts, has taken over this initiative and is conducting this, i do not expect that it will only intensify in future summits, i do not know how many countries will be there, and especially i do not know how many countries will be represented at the level of leaders, it seems to me that, unfortunately, due to the lack of there are key people, so far, yes, god forbid there will be good news, many

leaders have been demoted. its representation, let's say summits, but in any case, well, again, it's good that ukraine is conducting, i really hope that at least this will start the right conversation and at least reduce number, as ms. kravchuk correctly said, in these peace plans, which each country is trying to bring to us from itself. thank you, mr. yaroslav, i will remind our viewers that during our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about this today, did you understand? the principle of booking from mobilization, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, please write it in the comments under this video, like this video because it was ironed in youtube trends, and for those who who watches us on tv, is phone lines, if you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program.

we will sum up the results of this vote, another fairly relevant topic that is critically important for ukraine is ensuring freedom of speech, ensuring democracy, and the absence of censorship in mass media, last week a scandal broke out in ukrinform, in a state agency, where as it appeared for some time. former head of ukrinform oleksiy matsuka sent temniki. these are documents that were recommendations to who should comment and who should not comment on various events. and we are not talking about military censorship, we are talking about ordinary censorship. at one time, such prisons were introduced in ukraine with the arrival of russian political technologists in the team of viktor medvedchuk, who at that time was the head of the administration.

of the president of ukraine in the early 2000s, i remember this time very well, well, i looked at these temniks, they are made of the zalikals of those distant times and very remind these dark men. mrs. yevgenia, in your humanitarian and information policy committee, have you already considered the question of what actually happened in ukrinform, whether there is a fact of censorship, whether there is a fact of interference in... the work of journalists by the now former heads of ukrenform and who produced these documents that were published last week in ukrainian pravda. well, our team did not ask us to consider this issue, we are open to cooperation with the new head of the team, and i she said this as the head of

the information policy subcommittee. and with our head of the committee.