i would very much not like this demonpolization or de-oligarchization to turn into such a very primitive, well, let's put it conditionally, nationalization, and then some new owners will come, and we will replace one oligarch, conditionally speaking, with another, because for another , because such ideas were circulated and, in principle , there could be an attempt to implement them, so we hope that this will not happen, because it would look very bad, especially during the war. well, so that it does not turn out like with the only telethon, when the only one the information flow is controlled by a few people, but we have undergone de-oligarchization, that is, these people actually control these channels. look, another interesting statement was made by the secretary of the national security council oleksandr lytvynenko, he says that russia is determined for a long-term war with ukraine, and in the worst case, it can turn kharkiv into a second aleppo. he stated this in

an interview with the wall street journal. he recalled that in aleppo, russian aviation destroyed the electricity and water supply systems, as well as bombed hospitals and schools. then the population of the city decreased to a third of the pre-war level. they simply displaced people, this is what they want to practice around kharkiv, litvinenko believes. obviously, russians think not only about kharkiv, maybe they think the same about kyiv, maybe they think the same about the dnipro. which cities without electricity and without water supply will turn into cities where not so many people will live, i.e. a third of the people, there two/thirds can go to live somewhere in the village or to the west of ukraine, and this is obviously putin's tactic, i started our conversation with this, and i will continue the same. eh, can

the world community intervene in this now, because in the case of zalep they did not do it, they looted that city, there is nothing left of that city, we see how we already have a dozen aleppos in small cities, bakhmut, vdiivka and many, many different smaller towns and villages in the east of ukraine, when eventually the world will start talking to... with russia, as a criminal, a war criminal, a war criminal who is behind right now, well, if it is difficult to prove that this is a genocide of the ukrainian people, because it is a long-term procedure, but from the position of power, when it will force ukrainians not to put themselves on the edge of survival, well, this is actually an interesting question, i think that the world is gradually starting to do this we are also engaged in this... we can see it from the latest statements and from

the latest decisions, of course, not everything is happening as quickly as we would like, and how it would be in reality, well, but certain attempts, certain efforts, at least in this context there is, so it is necessary here nevertheless, it should be taken into account that some changes we are seeing now, they are not yet of a tectonic nature, but they are, maybe, well , one, let's say, a reason that will make the world think about it sooner, i would very much not... i wanted to believe in the implementation of this scenario, but this scenario also involves an increase in the number of refugees there, for example, from ukraine, several million more who will leave there for european countries, and then they will really have to react differently in some way, well, here too the only other point is that, of course, this is not syria, there is a lot of attention more shackles and much more help we get, so here we just have to start calling a spade a spade, i guess, that putin is an outright terrorist, and the world should be engaged in stopping him now

, the democratic world, because if not will happen, by the way, i agree with the maxim that biden expressed in the last interview, where he said that if ukraine does not stand up and we do not help it win, then poland or some other country will be next, where russia will actually come federation, it should be based on this that we need to talk more about it on the example of ukraine, i think that we need to pay more attention to it, including at the state level, because with all due respect to... what is really important forum, summit, or rather, peace, yes, which will be held in switzerland, this is a necessary thing, and a lot of effort has been invested in it, and so on, but at the same time, it is necessary to hold a similar summit in relation to those war crimes and genocidal practices, which terrorism, which applies the russian federation, on the example of every place , include the heads of cities there, let them tell stories, show photos there, shoot videos, yes, right from the street, what is happening, that is, we should also focus on this . that we are talking about a global humanitarian

catastrophe, which, look, here there can and should be even a certain cynical calculation, can directly hit, including the european union, at least, and here we have to go to... from this point of view, you don't want to help push to the max now yes, as much as you could, then you will pay twice or 10 times more in the future, when it comes to you, or refugees who simply will not be able to stay there in ukraine will flock to you, but it is necessary from such moments probably go out and then demand from the world a completely different reaction to what is happening now, it is clear that the world will treat ukraine accordingly, if in ukraine... they will also make efforts to develop democracy, to fight corruption, i.e. a whole there are a set of options which our western partners also want to see in ukraine. there are recent data from the kyiv international institute of sociology, and the results of this

survey indicate that 43% of ukrainians believe that during the 5 years of zelenskyi's presidency, the situation with democracy in ukraine has worsened, 28 of them... are convinced that this happened due to the efforts of the authorities curtail the rights and freedoms of citizens, while 19% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy has improved, and 29% that it has not changed. mr. igor, in your opinion, has the situation with democracy in ukraine worsened over the past 5 years zelensky's presidency? i think it has gotten worse, and i'm not one of the 11% who... say the war is the first cause, i would divide, it got worse after 22 objectively because of the war, but it got worse very rapidly by the 22nd year, not because of a large-scale war, but because of certain actions, well, actually by the authorities, and look, here you can make such a sad joke, well, this is only the office

of the president, you can congratulate them on the fact that they outdid even the war, and this is actually a very revealing moment and a very dangerous moment, and the adequate authorities should react to this, do certain things... because this is a very alarming bell, which actually says that ukrainians are well versed in what is happening in the country, there is this study , it is detailed, there it is also about the forms of government and about many other things, and there are also very unequivocal answers, and by the way , another interesting point, if in the 22nd year in the same survey conducted by a book, which was conducted by almost more than half, a little more than half of ukrainians said that they do not mind now a strong hand, well, because the war and so on, after a year actually in 20, well, the 23rd came yes... in the 24th year , there is practically no demand for a strong hand, it is much smaller than the demand in general just for a normal democracy , and this is also indicative, it is also a signal to the authorities that you had a certain credit of trust there in the 22nd year and you did something with it in the 23rd, in the 24th, somehow you destroyed it and clearly not exclusively for the protection of the country , and therefore these data,

they are very telling, by the way, i am afraid that their maximum, i saw it already today, their the russians are also beginning to use it, well, from their point of view they are doing it, they are starting to try to spread certain theses there on the western audience and so on, they don’t read into the details there, they take some kind of general picture, but this including a signal for us, on the one hand it pleases, because it is clear that the citizens are understanding, trying to evaluate and come to certain conclusions, to convey some kind of signal to the authorities there, on the other hand, it is disappointing, because the authorities are similar survey seen in the previous years, and there was also a certain tendency to reduce democracy there and... further, the fact that the number of people who believe that it has worsened now is more, shows that the authorities in the previous years did not draw conclusions. thank you, mr. igor, for the conversation, it was igor reiterovich, a political expert. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel and on our youtube and facebook platforms. we will now

look at the interim results of our survey. we are asking you today about whether you understood the principle of booking from mobilization, the results of our tv survey 5% do not understand, 90, 5% understand, 95% do not understand. the same survey will be in the second part of our program, which will start 15 minutes after the news release from our colleagues at the bbc. yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, yaroslav zheliznyak, from the voice, people's deputy of ukraine, mykhailo tsymbalyuk, people's deputy of ukraine will be in the studio. from the homeland, stay with us, stay with espresso, it will be interesting, see you later 15 minutes, tired of heavy and bulky

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does not want to discuss the kyiv peace formula without moscow's participation. what is president zelensky bringing to the summit and what results can be expected? mobilization scandals. the cabinet of ministers can deprive the reservation of a part rescuers of the state emergency service, and employees of defense enterprises are already being served with summonses. when the government will put things in order. in mobilization. the scandal surrounding censorship in ukrinform. who and why tried to introduce dark circles in the state information agency, which is included in the list of the most transparent and responsible media. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms. please subscribe to our pages. in our survey today we ask you about did you understand the principle of reservation from

mobilization? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your thoughts about how and in what way mobilized people are booked in ukraine, please write with this video, if you watch us on tv, bring your smartphone or phone and vote if you understand the principle of booking from mobilization 0800 211 381 no 0800. 11 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today we are on the air. people's deputies of ukraine, i am glad to welcome to our program yevhenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy head of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy, ms. yevhenia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, we have certain problems in connection with mrs.

yevgenia krypchuk, yaroslav zheleznyak, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice faction, first deputy chairman. of the parliamentary committee on finance, tax and customs policy, mr. yaroslav, i welcome you, thank you, for joining our broadcast, good evening, thank you for inviting us, we have a blackout in kyiv right now, so you know, we are in kyiv, we, we understand you perfectly, thank you for tuning in despite such a difficult situation, which consists of it is electricity, and mykhailo tsymbalyuk should be in touch with us. please let me know if he is in touch, we are waiting for the inclusion of mykhailo tsimbalyuk and the resumption of contact with yevgenia kravchuk, and if she is already in touch, let me know as well. you see, we have the problem is now with the inclusion of our guests due to power outages across the country. mr. yaroslav, since we are asking our

viewers from tv viewers whether they understood the principle of reservation from mobilization in ukraine, he will ask. both me and you: do you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization, and does the existing system satisfy you? no, it is not clear, moreover, i am convinced that there will not be any person in our country, including high-ranking officials, who would sincerely answer otherwise, because this system is chaotic enough. and as far as i'm concerned, it's primarily a matter for the ministry of economy and the ministry of defense to put things in order there. an elementary example, you remember recently, the scandal with circuses, about the fact that our circuses were reserved as an important defense enterprise or important for

defense capability. i found this, this reservation, this solution. by chance, when i checked what kind of enterprise is necessary for defense capability, or another example, it is also the same with bookmakers and with other companies, well in our country, first of all, we just need to somehow rank, well, we can’t equate a conditional defense enterprise to a circus, with all due respect to the first and second, well, it should be renamed so that people don’t laugh, and secondly, well, there is enough . opaque system, and your colleagues from the bihus program made a great article about how to book representatives there suchain and so on, so as not to go for a long time, who has internet and electricity or at least the internet, go now to workua or olx and choose vacancies from reservation, you will see there many vacancies, their sellers

shops, gardeners, cleaners. drivers, well that is, well i mean not military drivers and not even for logistics, yes, but of course just there to transport one or two managers of the company conditionally, well, excuse me, but how did they get this reservation, and why haven’t they received it yet , so this system is really rather chaotic, and it seems to me that people who criticize it not populistically, but with such examples, well, they are right. none of my colleagues, neither from the government nor from the opposition, can explain to me the logic of such approaches, but, unfortunately, they cannot explain why, having understood the problem, we still do not solve it. thank you, mr. yaroslav, your colleagues, mykhailo tsimbalyuk from batkivshchyna and yevheniya kravchuk from servant

of the people, have already joined the conversation, mrs. yevheniya, mr. mykhailo, i am glad to welcome you to our broadcast, and... well, since we are asking our viewers, and already talked with mr. yaroslav about whether he understood the principle of reservation from mobilization, because our survey to our audience sounds exactly like this: do you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization? let's go a lot let's briefly exchange ideas, whether it is clear to you how this principle of reservation from mobilization works, if it is not clear what needs to be done and why this principle actually exists. constantly have some questions, mrs. evgenia, please, yes, congratulations, just communication problems, i didn't hear the whole conversation, but from the answer. colleagues of yarosla, i realized that even the people's deputies did not fully understand the criteria, because in fact the criterion is not defense capability, but the so-called

criticality of the infrastructure, and this is a broader concept than defense capability. more moreover, in the context of the field of our committee, humanitarian and information policy, it is even broader and more unclear, because in fact. we are approached, for example, by representatives of creative industries and various fields, well, for example, some architects or artists, and well, talents who are born for the century, let's be frank, or writers who are born for the century, can they be called part of the critical infrastructure , well, it is obviously very difficult to choose it, because it must be a state enterprise. or in case of the information sphere, it should be some kind of critical, critical media for informing citizens, which is absolutely understandable and correct,

because in fact informing citizens is a critical infrastructure, but really these criteria are quite blurred, and sometimes what appears in the press , it infuriates citizens, but it is obvious. those enterprises that are under the authority, well under the authority of various ministries, cannot be selected under one criterion, another issue is, for example, the booking of fops, yes, self-employed citizens, and what categories indeed, there are critical, indeed, these are ad hoc specialists who are available for the country, but they do not fall under the state enterprise. how to ban fop in general, if 50% of the workers defend themselves, fop is one person, so really, well, there are many questions, and

the demand for justice is great, but it should be obvious that this balance between the economy, between culture, between information policy and so on that everyone should go and mobilize, well, in order to understand and why, why we... ask about this, one fact is sufficiently revealing: leading public and private enterprises of the defense-industrial complex appealed to the government not to mobilize officially employed workers during the verification of the data of the utc for booking, which is stated in this message, that despite the participation of such specialists in the execution of state contracts with the state customer in the field of defense and of particular importance for the military-industrial complex industry , immediately after passing the vlk to such employees... a mobilization order without the possibility to make a reservation, that is, people go to the tsc to update their data and show that in they have a reservation, they are told that the reservation

is not working. mr. mykhailo, how do you evaluate the current reservation system, and is it a system, or is it a set of some circulars that were accepted, and now glovo can reserve their own. workers, and let's say, the defense-industrial complex can't, because when they go for this reservation, it turns out that they are given combat summons, in my opinion, there is no system, but reservation is definitely necessary, because for a successful front, it must work successful economy, a today it happens chaotically, it all depends on how the head of this or that enterprise can manage. to solve cases in the military local administration, after that it applies vertically to the ministries, to the cabinet of ministers, and only there they approve

what percentage, which employees, which enterprises can be booked and in fact they are booked, in connection with the entry into force of the law on the improvement of the military accounting for the immobilization reserve, in general, everything was canceled by the cabinet of ministers at first. reservation, now it seems they have extended it for a period of three months, and this is actually a big problem for the state, a big corruption component, and here it is necessary to write those normative documents that will simultaneously provide the mobilization reserve, and on the other hand, will guarantee not only critical infrastructures not only for the military-industrial complex, but also and other important sectors in order for them to work, pay taxes, and so that such things do not happen that, in fact , civil society does not understand the approaches, so far the cabinet of ministers, as for me in this

plan... lost communication with society, and with the heads of local administrations, and none, emphasizes the head, with whom i communicated on the ground, can clearly explain neither the principles, nor the system, nor approaches in general, but once again i outline what started, reservations are definitely needed, but this should be put in order, and we are waiting for such proposals from the cabinet of ministers, because this is their competence. thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav. for quite a long time , the issue of introducing economic reservation was discussed within the walls of the verkhovna rada, i know that your colleague natalukha commented quite actively and promoted this possibility of creating an economic reservation, as if before that there was no agreement in the upper echelons of power and...

and this issue has now been completely removed, you know for sure, for sure whether are there any other variations in the introduction of economic defense, or does this create inequality for other citizens of ukraine who cannot do economic defense for themselves? well, look, any reservation creates inequality, and in principle, war is very much unfair thing secondly, with all due respect to the circle. genetalukhs, but this is not an issue of the parliament, and any desire, as you called it, of the higher echelons of power, which, as i understand it, is slightly higher than the verkhovna rada in a parliamentary-presidential republic, to transfer this issue to the parliament as unpopular is wrong, because and any selection mechanism that you have heard, colleagues, is the prerogative of the cabinet of ministers, at least two government resolutions. it's easy

to decide, again, they can come up with any criteria, i'm not a big fan of you economic choice, trite because i just don't see how we can explain it to people, but again, it's not my problem, it's the government's problem, they have all the power and all the leverage to solve it, why do they talk about it and not do it, well, i don’t have the least cultural answer here, why can’t you go out into society and say: don’t wait, it won’t happen, it’s not true and so on, i don’t understand either the worst situation is when everyone learns about it from rbc, if i'm not mistaken, and a then my colleagues come out again and say no, they seem to be having discussions there, but once again it is an economic

reservation. booking according to the code of civil procedure, booking what was mentioned today by glova, there it is because of the action of the city, well, these are the tidbits of one big one, i ca n’t call it a system, because here, according to my colleague, there is no such system, but it has, well, these are different pieces that chaotic enough, and the correct and only model that the government can do is to make the same rules for everyone, they will definitely not be the ones that everyone likes, they will be criticized, we... the opposition will talk about it, the authorities there will defend it, this is a normal process, and there probably won’t be any other approach, but the worst option is the chaotic nature of it, well, once again, why is it in one place on land, and this well , it is a real example, it is reserved, in others it is not, why are some enterprises that are in no way related to the military theme, even from taxes, frankly speaking, not paid for.

to pay taxes, and others cannot, well , that is, it seems to me that now it causes much more questions than any one a systematic approach, it doesn't matter what we call it, economic reservation, simple reservation, reservation of strategic industries, all that, and secondly, if possible, i will respond very briefly, just to your question about myiskova. industrial complex, as far as i know from my colleagues on the committee, they will now solve this problem, and i hope that soon they will offer a solution there, god willing, everything will be sorted out, and the cabinet must also settle now the reservation from the mobilization of all policemen and employees of the state emergency service situations, because they also did not fall under the reservation, and as fedir vienislavskyi, your colleague, people's deputy of ukraine, says, that the cabinet of ministers should regulate this, by the way.