beijing does not want to discuss the kyiv peace formula without moscow's participation, what is president zelensky bringing to the summit and what results can be expected? mobilization scandals. the cabinet of ministers can deprive the reservation of some rescuers of the state emergency service, and employees of defense enterprises are already served with summonses. when will the government put order in mobilization? the scandal surrounding censorship in who and for what tried to introduce darkrooms in the state information agency, which is on the list of the most transparent and responsible media. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey, today we ask you this, do you understand the principle. reservation from

mobilization? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your thoughts about how and in what way mobilized people are booked in ukraine, please write in this video. if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phones and vote if you understand the principle of booking from mobilization 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are without. vote with your precious ones, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today we have people's deputies of ukraine on the air, i am glad to welcome to our program yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy head of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy. mrs. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, there are some problems.

we have a connection with mrs. evgenia kravchuk yaroslav zheleznyak, people's deputy of ukraine from the holos faction, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on finance, tax and customs policy. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for inviting me. we have a blackout in kyiv right now, so you know, we are in kyiv, we understand you perfectly, thank you for joining us despite this. a difficult situation, which consists of electricity, and we should be in touch with mykhailo tsimbalyuk, tell me please, is he in touch, we are waiting for the inclusion of mykhailo tsimbalyuk and the restoration of contact with yevgenia kravchuk, and if she is already in contact, also let me know, you see, we have a problem now with the inclusion of our guests due to power outages across the country, mr. yaroslav. since we are asking our

viewers and tv viewers whether they understand the principle of reservation against mobilization in ukraine, i will ask you and me whether you understand the principle of reservation against mobilization and whether the system which exists satisfies you? no, it is not clear, moreover, i am convinced that there will not be any... any person in our country, including a high-ranking official, who would sincerely answer otherwise, because this system is quite chaotic, and as for me, this is a matter primarily for the ministry of economy and the ministry of defense as well, to put things in order, an elementary example, you recently remember the scandal with circuses, about the fact that our circuses were booked as an important defense enterprise. is it important for

defense capability, here is this reservation, this i found the solution by accident, when i was checking what kind of company i was, which are necessary for defense capability, or another example, it is also the same with bookmakers and with other companies, well , first of all, we just need to somehow rank, well, we can’t equal conditional defense enterprise to the circus at all. to the first and second, well, it should at least be renamed there, so that people do not laugh, and secondly, well, there is a rather opaque system, and your colleagues from the bihus program did a great article about how they book representatives there by land, and so on , in order to don't walk for a long time, anyone who has internet, light, or at least internet, go to workua or olx now and choose vacancies with reservation.

you see, there are a lot of vacancies, and shop assistants, gardeners, cleaners, drivers, well, that is, well, i don't mean military. drivers and not even for logistics, yes, but of course just there for the conditional transportation of one or two managers of the company, well , i'm sorry, but how did they get this reservation, and why didn't the others? so this system is really quite chaotic, and it seems to me people who criticize it in a non-populist way, well , with such examples, well, they are right, none of my colleagues, neither from the government, nor from the opposition. i cannot explain the logic of such approaches, but unfortunately, i cannot explain why, having understood the problem, we still do not solve it. thank you, mr. yaroslav, your colleagues mykhailo tsimbalyuk from batkivshchyna and yevgenia kravchuk from servant

of the people have already joined the conversation. ms. evgenia, mr. mykhailo, i am glad to welcome you to our broadcast. and, well, since we ask our viewers, and have already talked to mr. yaroslav about whether he understands the principle of reservation from mobilization, because our survey to our audience is exactly what it sounds like, do you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization, let's exchange ideas very briefly, or do you understand how this principle of reservation from mobilization works , if it is not clear what needs to be done and why exactly this principle , there are always some questions to this principle, mrs. yevgenia, please. yes, congratulations, just communication problems, i didn't hear completely conversation, but from the answer of my colleague yarosla, i understood that even the people's deputies did not fully understand the criteria, because in fact the criterion is not defense capability, but the so-called

criticality of the infrastructure, and this is a broader concept than defense capability, moreover , in the context. branches of our humanitarian and information policy committee, it is even broader and more incomprehensible, because in fact we are approached by, for example, representatives of creative industries and various industries, well, for example, some architects or artists, and well, the talents that are born for the century, let's be honest, or the writers that are born for the century, can you call them... part of the critical infrastructure, well, it's obviously very difficult to pick it up, because it has to be a state enterprise, or in the case of the information sphere , it should be some kind of critical, critical media for informing citizens, which is completely understandable and correct,

because in fact, informing citizens is a critical infrastructure, but these criteria are actually quite interchangeable. sometimes what appears in the press, it infuriates the citizens, but, well, obviously, those enterprises that are in the knowledge, well, in the care of various ministries, cannot be selected under one criterion, another issue is, for example, the booking of fops, yes, self-employed citizens, some categories are really critical, really. these are individual specialists who are in the country, but they do not fall under the state enterprise and in general, how to book a fop, if 50% of the employees are booked, the fop is one person, so really, well, there are many questions, the demand for

justice is great, but should be obvious this balance between the economy, between culture, between information policy and... the fact that everyone should go to immobilize, well, in order to understand and why, why we ask about this, one fact is quite indicative: the leading state and private enterprises of the defense -industrial complex, appealed to the government not to mobilize officially employed workers during the verification of the data of the shopping center for booking, which is stated in this message, that despite the participation of such specialists in the execution of... contracts with the state customer in the field of defense and special importance for the military industry, immediately after passing the vlc, such employees are given a mobilization order without the possibility of making a reservation, that is, people go to the tsc to update their details and show that they have a reservation, they are told that this reservation

does not work. mr. mykhailo, how do you assess the current reservation system, and whether it is a system or a set of circulars. which were accepted and now glovo can book its employees, let's say, defense. the industrial complex cannot, therefore that when they go for this reservation, it turns out that they are given combat summons, in my opinion, there is no system, but reservation is definitely necessary, because for a successful front, a successful economy must work, and today it is chaotic, it all depends on how the leader this or that enterprise will be able to solve cases in the military local administration, after that they apply vertically to the ministries, to the cabinet of ministers and only there they approve

what percentage, which employees, which enterprises can be booked and in fact they booking, in connection with the entry into force of the law on improving the military accounting of the immobilization reserve, in general , at first, the cabinet of ministers canceled all reservations, now it seems that they have extended it for a period of three months. and this is actually a big problem for the state, a big corruption component, and here it is necessary to write those regulatory documents that will simultaneously provide a mobilization reserve, and on the other hand, guarantee not only critical infrastructure, not only the military-industrial complex, but also other to important industries in order for them to work, pay taxes, and so that such things do not happen. that in reality, civil society does not understand the approaches, so far

, in my opinion, the cabinet of ministers has lost communication with society and with the heads of local administrations in this regard, and none, emphasizes the head with whom i spoke on the ground, can clearly explain the principles, no system, no approaches at all, but once again i outline what i started with, definitely a reservation is needed, but it should be pointed out. order and we are waiting for the office ministers of such proposals, because this is their competence. thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav, for quite a long time, within the walls of the verkhovna rada, the issue of introducing economic reservation was discussed. i know that your colleague natalukha commented quite actively and promoted this possibility of creating an economic reservation quite actively. it seems that before this there was no agreement in the upper

echelons of power, and this issue has now been completely removed, you know for sure whether there are any other variations that may be the introduction of economic defense, or it creates inequality for other citizens of ukraine, who are unable to defend themselves economically? well, look, any kind of reservation creates inequality and... in principle , war is a very unfair thing, secondly, with all due respect to my colleague natalukh, but this is not a matter for parliament, and any desire, as you called it, of the higher echelons of power, which, as i understand it, are slightly higher than the verkhovna rada in a parliamentary-presidential republic, it is wrong to transfer this issue to the parliament as an unpopular one, because any mechanism... of the cabinet of ministers, as at least two government decrees

decide this calmly, again, they can come up with any criterion. i'm not you're a big fan of economic choice, trite because i just don't see how we can explain it to people, but again, that's not my issue, that's the government's issue, they have all the powers and all the leverage in the. .. in order to solve this, why do they talk about it and not do it, well, i don’t have a cultural answer here, at least, why you can’t go out to society and say: don’t wait, it won’t happen, it’s not true and something else, neither i understand, the worst situation is when everyone learns about it from rbc, if i'm not mistaken, and then my colleagues come out again and say something like this , and no, there are apparently still discussions going on, but

once again, here's economy booking, booking according to the upc, booking that , what glov was mentioned today, there it is because of the action of the city, well, it is the tickles of one big one, i cannot call it a system, because according to my colleague , there is no such system here, but it has, well, it is different pieces that are quite chaotic, and correct and the only model that can do... is the government to make the same rules for everyone, they will definitely not be the ones that everyone will like, they will be criticized, we as the opposition will talk about it, the authorities there will defend it, this is normal. process, and there will probably be no other approach, but the worst option is the chaotic nature of this, well, once again, why in one place drying, and this is a real example, is booked, in others it is not, why in some enterprises, which in no way related to the military theme, even from taxes,

frankly speaking they do not pay, booked as the same ee hem. a company that, well, is one of the worst in terms of paying taxes, and others can't, well, that's what it seems to me, is much more questionable now than any one systematic approach, it doesn't matter what we call it, economy booking, just booking , the reservation of strategic industries, all that, and the second, if i may, i will respond very briefly, just to your question about the military-industrial complex, as far as i know, from colleagues on the committee, they will now decide. this problem and hope to offer it soon solution, there, god willing, everything will be sorted out. well , the cabinet of ministers should also now regulate the reservation from the mobilization of all police officers and state emergency service workers , because they were also not included in the reservation, and as fedir vienislavskyi, your colleague, people's deputy of ukraine, says, what the cabinet of ministers should regulate is , by the way, a petition

on the website of the cabinet of ministers about reservations for personnel of fire protection and emergency services. operative-ritual service and other civil defense workers have already recruited more than 25,000 votes, well, let's keep an eye on this topic, because it's really important for many who work in critical infrastructure enterprises, who perform tasks here in the rear, not not on the front line and not in the armed forces, and also do important work, another important... a topic that will obviously be relevant for at least another two weeks, this is the global peace summit, which is to be held in switzerland on june 15-16, the chinese have already said that they will not participate in it meeting, united states department of defense spokesman matthew miller, commenting on china's refusal to participate in the

peace summit, said that the united states of america does not see how the prc. can play a positive role in ending the war by helping russia rebuild its defense industrial base: let's hear from matthew miller. we have always been clear that china could play a useful diplomatic role in resolving this conflict if it wanted to, but it is difficult to see how they can play such a role at this time, given the actions china has taken in recent months to rebuild... reconstruct defense and industrial base of russia, so we will continue to clearly explain to china that we are against such actions and will bring to justice those involved in this organization. we have already heard that our european colleagues are planning to do the same. mrs. yevgenia, what will be the measure of the success

of this peace summit, that is, what the ukrainian government can gain as a result, and in general. ukraine? well, i would definitely not distinguish between the ukrainian government and ukraine here. we are in the same boat here, absolutely. and it is very important that we, as a country, record ours conditions and actually these conditions are voiced in these 10 points. okay, the summit will mainly discuss three points. nuclear security, food security and the return of prisoners, including ukrainian children. why these three points, because they actually unite all countries, because all countries and the global south, everyone you don't ask, they, well, of course they say, yes, of course, we need to return ukrainian children home, that's how it should be, food security in world, you can't put tanks near nuclear power plants,

so it's ours. position is ukraine's plan and it must be clearly voiced, noted, so that all these plans, chinese, african, who will bring their plan there do not come to fruition. this is the main task. of course, it is very important that as many countries as possible take part in this summit in switzerland, and the last figure announced by the president, if i am not mistaken, there are more than 100 countries, this figure is that. changes, because russia puts pressure on someone, someone agrees, someone on the contrary may even refuse, this is life, because russia really uses all the levers. in fact, so that it is not so, well, no there was not so much support for the ukrainian plan, but in my opinion, at the same time, we

should concentrate on working with our key partners, those who give us the weapons with which we fight, those who give us the air defense with which we protect ukrainian cities and the military, which are conducting military operations, but... nevertheless, we have to act globally and for the whole world, and this is the first such meeting will be at the level of leaders, who will discuss exactly the ukrainian peace plan. thank you, ms. evgenia, mr. mykhailo, on the eve of this summit, or rather, here just two days ago in singapore , president zelensky said that china is trying to disrupt this peace summit, because china has a great influence on the countries of the global south, and not only. to the countries of the global south, and china is trying to play its game, the chinese are actually saying that there are no russians, there is nothing to talk about, if there are russians, then

we can talk about peace with the russians and ukrainians, how do you assess the prospects for the future outline of peace in ukraine without a power player, china is a power player in in the world and... much more powerful than russia in this situation, because china probably claims a bi-polar, bi-polar world between russia and the united states of america, biden will not be at this summit, the vice president of the united states of america, kamala harris, will be, and is it possible to draw this future outline of peace for ukraine without china? first of all, it is important that this summit will take place, because we know that russia has put in so much effort, and a few weeks ago there were actually big questions about whether it would take place

itself, because of the fact, it seems to me, the very fact that more than 100 states will be participants, this is important, important, the following, i agree with my colleague that it is important that our key ones are. partners, and this will be another field to develop joint proposals for future conferences, which may be held in the fall, one of which is already being announced. as for china, of course, nothing strange has happened, we have observed such a very restrained uh position of china during these two years, at least. because of that now, as far as i'm concerned, the cards are open, but not all is lost, and i think very much so the important position of the united states, and ukraine,

so that it does not become a hostage of the global relations of the megapowers of the world, such as the united states, china, etc., because of that, will definitely play a big role. their bilateral relations, but one thing is certain, as far as i am concerned, there will be serious concessions before the upcoming conferences, which will be pained by more specific decisions, if there are questions about the exchange of prisoners of war, for us this is an important archive, we know that almost a thousand of our heroes, who... left the battlefield practically under the guarantee of international partners, i mean azov and other combat

units, it is important that they return to ukraine, the exchange, or rather, the return of ukrainian children who were illegally taken out of the territory of our state, this is the same topic that can be resolved, and we know , are ready... many countries, in relation to nuclear safety, not only ukraine is interested here, the whole world must knock out the algorithm that did not exist before, because this is the first challenge to the international community when a nuclear plant is captured and it is not controlled by a state that is its owner, that is, we will see how ours will be partners to react to it. thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav, bloomberg writes that the peace summit can agree on the further involvement of representatives of the russian federation, that is, after the founding

itself. peace, i do not know how much the sources referred to by bloomberg and the documents they have at their disposal, how likely this is, and these theses about the constant involvement of russia in the negotiation process, which are heard from completely different sides, but mainly these , who are putin's partners, or who are currently helping russia circumvent sanctions, or those who help russia with weapons, or? should we expect a peace summit in the next stages, because it will be obvious in the next stages or the next peace summits that the russian federation will be represented there, in answer to your question the same as the news in bullenberg, the advantage is there, the question is simply of this advantage, to what extent it is equal to zero, my, my feeling so far is that it is close enough to zero that... the statement

about the presence of russia, well, let's not confuse the reason and the reason, there are countries that obviously won't go to the peace summit, and it's not the fact that we invited them, and they openly use their position, their support for russia, but there are other countries, and one of the clear examples is of course china, but the same saudi arabia, or... or brazil or other latin american countries, who use as an excuse for their absence, the absence of whatever, china, russia, russia of china, wakanda, they will come up with any excuse, but in fact, colleagues here have already voiced , well that's clear,

there are countries that... listen more to the position of the aggressor country, the aggressor country is certainly not dissatisfied and definitely does not want to have one. i am sometimes surprised, even by what i hear from colleagues in the parliament, that someone there, you know, is so critical of the holding of the summit, with all due respect, i do not see any reason to rejoice here, if something goes wrong, he is very i would like it to be a success story, but it seems to me that... that we should not expect any quick or very loud results from the summit, well, it is impossible, because the result of our war is not decided at the summits, on the battlefield, and this is the only bitter truth, but in any case it is good that ukraine is in this plan, well, let's say this, what is called in martial arts took over this

initiative and carried out. i don't expect that it will only increase in future summits, i don't know how many countries will be there, and especially i don't know how many countries will be represented at the level of leaders, it seems to me that unfortunately, due to the lack of key persons there so far, yes , god forbid that there were beautiful ones news, many leaders have reduced their representation, let's say summits, but in any case, well, again, it's good that ukraine is holding, i really hope that at least it will start the right conversation and at least reduce the number, as right said ms. kravchuk, in these peace plans, which each country is trying to bring us from itself. thank you, mr. yaroslav, i will remind our viewers that during our broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you today , do you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization? yes, no, on youtube everything is quite simple, if you have your own opinion, please write it in the comments below this

video. like this video so that it is trending on youtube, and for those who watch us on tv, there are phone lines, if you understand the principle of booking from mobilization 0800-211 381, no 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote, another fairly relevant topic that is critically important. for ukraine - this is security freedom of speech, ensuring democracy, and the absence of censorship in mass media. last week, a scandal broke out in ukrinform, in the state agency, where, as it turned out for some time, the former head of ukrinform, oleksiy matsuka, sent out secret documents.