straining, but they drive fast, well, for some reason this speed, it is so moderate, is it, including the problem of the ukrainian side, that they, well, we, not they, we, that ukraine is something, well, it raises certain questions for our american partners, is it a question of fear of russia, or is it a question of the europeans' fear of russia, that is, what is the reason, that some solutions that are absolutely obvious when the russian federation breaks ukrainian cities, and destroys cities, and destroys the entire infrastructure, it is absolutely obvious that if the aggressor does it, then he has to pay for it, including with frozen funds, and for the third year they are thinking about whether to do it or not to do it , does it comply with international norms or not, if putin simply did not care about international norms, why is he not adequately doing the same with him world, look, this is a complex issue. there are many answers here, including

the answer that they are worried about their assets, well, let's call a spade a spade , it's not just about international law, because you absolutely rightly pointed out, putin spat on international law and on the principles of the rule of law and on the principles of inviolability of human life, we see what happened in erpin, buch, gastomil, izyum and many other cities, where the rashists destroyed a huge number of our people. and it is even impossible to compensate for it with money, but if we are talking about the allocation of these funds, let our partners forgive me, but it sometimes looks like throwing a hot potato, what are we for, but let's go there, yes, someone else will think, and then, here we still have such a problem, each time an additional one appears argument, why not do it now, and let's do it the day after tomorrow. but if we

talk with you about, it is not us and you who do it, but it is done by the representatives of the authorities, because they are today endowed with such powers, the corruption component is probably one of the key ones today, i.e. those line breakers who do not want to ukraine received these funds as part of the confiscation of russian property and frozen assets, they are using them. the same argument i was just saying, look, there's a big one the level of corruption, if we give them these funds, they will not recover, they will not defend themselves there, they will embezzle them, and this, unfortunately, works, plus they bring one or another facts, and this, and this brings the result that you and i see today, and what we are talking about today, that is why the story about corruption is not only a story about profiteering, a story about stolen money, but it is a story about life. people, and this is a story about the preservation

of the state and statehood, you know that in 2016 , when the anti-corruption law was adopted the legislation in ukraine, all the authors of the laws that were adopted, there are four or five laws regarding the creation of this anti-corruption infrastructure, and there were conclusions of our european colleagues who said that this is one of the best anti-corruption laws in general in... . in europe, as a minimum, all of these infrastructural institutions were supposed to work and fight corruption, what went wrong? look, i think something went wrong, but the question is different: nabu, sap, vaks, nazk, they cannot fight corruption in state, it is not physically impossible, yes, they can catch him. or another corrupt person,

to imprison him, perhaps to take away the funds he received illegally, but they cannot fight corruption in the state, it is by and large not unrealistic, and it is not their task, you can fight corruption in the state only according to the principle from top to bottom , from top to bottom, because when from above, not declarative, but real will be accepted. the decision that we do not earn, you know, the favorite phrase of officials, we do not earn from the state budget, well, this is a favorite phrase and thesis zelenskyi in general is that we will imprison everyone and we will imprison everyone, and justice will be, well, it is necessary that justice really be, and not only in slogans, i am not talking about specific characters, i am in general, if it is not a slogan , and if it will be a principle, then believe me, this is not a quick process, i am also conscious here, i will not lie to people,

telling them that it was only a decision was made there, tomorrow it ran, no, it is a difficult process, but when you accept such a decision for yourself, you bring it to those... who work nearby with you, are your subordinates, and you demand that it be carried out, then this will lead to the expected result, expected by ukraine, because when you, you know, i always give the example of the director of the company, if you sit in the position of director, you have six orders, which er, which you said you do not steal, i understand, you can not see or find. what did the cleaning lady do there, did she take home, maybe i don't want to offend anyone, one roll of toilet paper, but if you have any, who you told do not take, do not steal, and they continue to do it, well, you can not see it once, twice, the third time there will be two options for solving

the problem, either you do not see and you do not belong here, or you are both in the subject and in fate, otherwise it does not work, and then it is necessary to introduce such a system from top to bottom. and those who are in it, who do not want to live according to the principles of this system, should leave it, either voluntarily, or with the help of that anti-corruption structure, anti-corruption system, yes, which you just mentioned, does zelenskyi have a chance to become a person who, let's say yes, understanding that she will obviously run for a second presidential term, and this is obvious to me, in my opinion, because it is a matter of survival. uh, well, at least these five or six managers, that this anti-corruption story will be continued, or shall we say, activated, when they will show everyone, and also live, how they come for someone, well, in one country

you remember, that was the case in georgia, how corrupt officials were fought there and shown live, well, in the only telethon, let's say that, that this could be one of those chips. the next election campaign, should we go for checkers , should we go for commercials, or a real fight against corruption, but when you and i get an answer, for whom it is fundamental, and for whom it is just because it is beautiful, then we will understand what it is all about will result, i haven't seen the president for a long time, i don't know what the mood is like there, i can talk about myself there about my team of smart politics, everyone should be responsible for themselves if... we go back to 2019 and this is the phrase, i i remember this phrase very well at nsc to the olympian zelensky about what he said that when asking petro poroshenko, why are all your friends still with their hands insinuating that under

poroshenko there friends stole, would it be possible to ask a similar question now, or could the president, could volodymyr ask zelensky of the 2019 model now about... i think that we have to wait for the next election campaign, and there will always be a person who will ask such a question, and the incumbent is probably the president, well, are you ready to be such a person, well, there will be elections, let's see, let's go let's live until the election and when they will be, and for this the state needs to win and the elections are held, not as someone likes, but according to the principles of freedom, democracy, the rule of law and... speaking the truth on the air, thank you, let's hope that, that we will continue to tell the truth on the espresso tv channel. thank you, mr. dmytro, for the meaningful conversation, it was dmytro razumkov, ukrainian politician, former chairman of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. during this broadcast, we conducted a survey,

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friends, the second part of the verdict program is live on the espresso tv channel. my name is serhiy rudenko, and today we will talk about such a global summit without china. beijing does not want to discuss the kyiv peace formula without moscow's participation. what is president zelensky bringing to the summit and with whom. results can be expected. mobilization scandals. the cabinet of ministers can deprive the reservation of some rescuers of the state emergency service, and employees of defense enterprises are already served with summonses. when will the government bring order to mobilization? the scandal surrounding censorship in ukrinform. who and why tried to introduce dark circles in the state information agency, which is included in the list of the most transparent. and responsible media. friends, we work live on the

espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us on these platforms. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: did you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your thoughts about how and in what way armor... mobilized in ukraine, please write in this video. if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you understand the principle of reservation from mobilization 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. today we have people's deputies on the air. of ukraine, i am glad to welcome to our program yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy

of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy head of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy, mrs. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, we have certain problems with in the language of mrs yevgenia karavchuk, yaroslav zheleznyak, people's deputy of ukraine from the holos faction, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee. issues of finance, tax and customs policy. mr. yaroslav, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening, thank you for inviting me. we just have a power outage in kyiv right now, so... we are also in kyiv, we, we understand you perfectly, thank you for joining us despite such a difficult situation, which consists of electricity, and we should be in touch mykhailo tsimbalyuk, please let me know if he is in touch, we are waiting for mykhailo tsimbalyuk to be included and to restore contact with

evgenia kravchuk, and if she is already in touch, also let me know, you see, we have problems ... now with the inclusion of our guests due to the power outage across the country, mr. yaroslav, since we are asking our viewers and tv viewers whether they understand the principle of reservation against mobilization in ukraine, i will ask you and me whether you understand the principle behind booking from mobilization and whether the existing system satisfies you, no. it is not clear, moreover, i am convinced that there will not be any person in our country, including a high-ranking official, who would sincerely answer otherwise, because this system is quite chaotic, and in my opinion, this is a question of first of all, the ministry of economy and

the ministry of defense should also put things in order, an elementary example, we remember recently... the scandal with circuses that our circuses were booked as an important defense enterprise or important for defense capability, this one for this booking, i found this solution by chance when i was checking what kind of company i was, which are necessary for defense capability, or another example, it's the same with bookmakers and with other companies, well , with us. first of all, we just need to be ranked somehow, well, we can’t equate a conditional defense enterprise to a circus, with all due respect to the first and second, well, it should at least be renamed so that people don’t laugh, and secondly, well, there is enough opaqueness system, and your colleagues from the biguus program did great material about how to book representatives there, so that

you don't have to walk for a long time, who has internet and electricity or at least internet for... or olx and select vacancies with reservation, you will see many vacancies and shop sellers there, gardeners, cleaners, drivers, well that is , i mean not military drivers and not even for logistics, yes, but ordinary ones just there to transport one or two managers of the company conditionally, well... i'm sorry, but how did they get this reservation, and why didn't the others get it? so this system is really enough chaotic and it seems to me that people who criticize it are not populist, but with such examples, well, they are right, none of my colleagues, neither from the government, nor from the opposition, can explain the logic of such approaches to me, but

unfortunately, and cannot explain why, understanding the problem, we still do not solve it. thank you, mr. yaroslav, your colleagues mykhailo tsymbalyuk from batkivshchyna and yevheniya kravchuk from servant of the people have already joined the conversation, ms. yevgenia, mr. mykhailo, i am glad to welcome you to our broadcast, and since we are asking our audience, and have already talked with mr. yaroslav about whether he understands the principle of reservation from mobilization, because our survey to our audience sounds exactly like that, is it clear to you? the principle of reservation from mobilization, let's very briefly exchange opinions, whether you understand how this principle of reservation from mobilization works, if it is not clear what needs to be done and why this principle, there are always some questions about this principle, mrs. yevgenia, please, and congratulations, just

communication problems, i didn't hear completely conversation, but from the answer of colleague yarosla. i realized that even the people's deputies did not fully understand the criteria, because in fact the criteria are not defense capability, but the so-called criticality of the infrastructure, and this is a broader concept than defense capability, moreover , in the context of the field of our committee, humanitarian and information policy, it is even broader and more incomprehensible, because in fact we are approached by, for example, representatives of creative industries and various fields, well , for example, some architects or artists, and... well, talents that are born on century, let's be honest, whether the writers who are born for the century, whether they can be called part of the critical infrastructure, well, obviously it's very difficult

to pick it up, because it has to be a state enterprise, or in the case of the information sphere, it has to be some kind of critical, critical media for informing citizens, which is absolutely understandable and correct, because... in fact, informing citizens is a critical infrastructure, but really these criteria are quite blurred, and sometimes what appears in the press infuriates citizens, but obviously those enterprises that are under the control of various ministries cannot be selected under one criterion, another question is, for example, booking fops, right? of self-employed citizens, some categories are really critical, indeed, these are, well, individual

specialists who are in the country, but they do not fall under the state enterprise or at all, how to book a fop, if 50% of employees are booked, a fop is one person, so really , well, there are many questions, the question of justice is great, but... it should be obvious that this balance between the economy, between culture, between information policy and the fact that everyone should go to immobilize, well , in order to understand why, why we are asking about this, one fact is quite indicative: the leading state and private enterprises of the defense-industrial complex appealed to the government with a request not to to mobilize officially employed workers. during the verification of the data of the utc for booking, which is stated in this message, that despite the participation of such specialists in the performance of state contracts with the state customer in the field of defense and special

importance for the military industry, immediately after passing the vlc, such employees are given a mobilization order without the possibility of making a reservation, that is, people go to the tsc to update their details and show that they have a reservation, they are told that this reservation does not work. mr. mykhailo, how do you... evaluate the reservation system that currently exists, and is it a system or is it a set of some circulars that were adopted, and now the head can reserve its employees, and let's say, defensively the industrial complex cannot, therefore that when they go after this reservation, it turns out that they are given combat summons, in my opinion... absent, but the reservation is definitely necessary, because for a successful front, the economy must work successfully, and today it happens chaotically, it all

depends on how the head of this or that enterprise will be able to resolve cases in the military local administration, after that he applies vertically to the ministries, to the cabinet of ministers, and only there they approve what percentage, which employees, who... can be booked and in fact they are booked, in in connection with the entry into force of the law on the improvement of the military accounting of the immobilization reserve, in general , at first the cabinet of ministers canceled all reservation, now it seems that they have extended it for a period of 3 months, and this is actually a big problem for the state, a big corruption component, and here it is necessary actually write out those nor'. regulatory documents that will simultaneously provide a mobilization reserve and, on the other hand, guarantee not only critical infrastructure, not only

the military-industrial complex, but also other to important industries so that they work, pay taxes, and so that such things do not happen that in fact civil society does not understand the approaches, so far the cabinet of ministers has lost, in my opinion, in this respect. with society, and with the heads of local administrations, and none, he emphasizes, the head with whom i spoke on the ground, cannot clearly explain neither the principles, nor the system, nor the approaches in general, but once again i outline what i started, clearly a reservation is needed, but this should be put in order, and we are waiting for the cabinet of ministers such proposals, because this is their competence, thank you, mr. general, mr. yaroslav, it is enough to... within the walls of the verkhovna rada , the issue of introducing economic banning was discussed, i know that your colleague natalukha commented quite actively and...

promoted it quite actively and this possibility of creating an economic reservation, it seems that before this they did not reach an agreement in the upper echelons of the government, and this issue is completely removed now, you know for sure whether there are any other variations of the introduction of economic defense, whether it creates inequality for other citizens of ukraine, who can't ... do economic harrowing for themselves? well, look, any harrowing creates inequality, and in principle , war is a very unfair thing. secondly, with all due respect to colleague natalukh, but this is not a matter for the parliament. and any desire, as you called it, of higher echelons of power, which, as i understand it, are slightly higher than the verkhovna

rada in a parliamentary-presidential republic. to throw this issue as unpopular to parliament is wrong because any voting mechanism, as you heard from my colleagues, this is the prerogative of the cabinet of ministers, at least two resolutions of the government will calmly decide this, again, they can come up with any criterion, i am not you, i am a big fan of economic defense, banal because i simply do not imagine how we can explain it to people. but again, that's not my question, that's the government's question, they have all the authority and all the leverage to solve this, why are they talking about it and not doing it, well i don't have a cultural answer here in the slightest, why can't you come out to society and say: no wait, that won't happen, it's untrue and so on, i don't understand either, that's the worst situation.

when everyone learns about it from rbc, if i'm not mistaken, and then they come out again , my colleagues say yes, no, it seems that there are still discussions, but once again, here is economic reservation, reservation according to the code of civil procedure, reservation what glova mentioned today , there it is due to the action of the city, well, it is the tickles of one big one, i cannot call it a system, because here it is in agreement with a colleague of the system. no, but it has, well, it's different pieces that are chaotic enough, and the correct and only model that the government can do is to make, well, one rule for everyone, they will definitely not be the ones that everyone likes, they will be criticized, we as the opposition will talk about it, the government there will defend it, this is a normal process , and well , there probably won’t be any other approach, but the worst option is the chaotic nature of this,

well... once again, why in one city, and this is a real example, is the dry land booked, in others it is not, why in some enterprises that are in no way related to military topics, even from taxes, frankly speaking, they do not pay, they are booked, like the same gambling company, this bookmaker company, which is one of the worst in terms of paying taxes, and others cannot, well, that is, it seems to me much more than... now it raises questions , than any one systematic approach, it doesn't matter what we call it, economic reservation, just reservation, reservation of strategic industries, that's it, and the second, if i can, i'll respond very briefly, just to your question about - military - industrial complex, as far as i know, from colleagues from the committee, they will now solve this problem, and i hope that they will soon offer a solution, god willing, everything will be sorted out there, and the cabinet of ministers must also settle

the reservation now. from the mobilization of all police officers and employees of the state emergency service , because they too did not fall under the reservation, and as fedir vienislavskyi, your colleague, people's deputy of ukraine, says that the cabinet of ministers should regulate this, by the way, a petition on the website of the cabinet of ministers about reservation for the personnel of fire protection and emergency services, operative-ritual service and other civil protection workers has already received more than 25,000 votes, well, we will follow this topic. because it is really important for many of those who work in critical infrastructure enterprises, who perform tasks here in the rear, not on the front line and not in the armed forces, and also do important work. another important topic that will obviously be relevant for at least another two weeks is

the global peace summit, which... 15 or 16 should take place in june