the nature of the weather, air temperature 28, 29, 31, 32, well, without significant precipitation, maybe some precipitation will appear in the evening, but still a significant part of saturday - dry, hot weather. in the central part of ukraine, short-term rains, thunderstorms, sometimes heavy downpours, hail and squalls, and the air temperature can be +25, +29, + 30° even with a more intense sunny one. in the south of ukraine, short-term rains, thunderstorms and precipitation in some places will have a local character, so if you did not get rain somewhere, well, let's complain together about the atmosphere, temperature the air is high, 30-32 above zero, rain and thunderstorm are expected in kyiv on saturday , a squall is possible during a thunderstorm, the air temperature is comfortable, about +25°, and i want to say that on sunday in kyiv, for example,

the air temperature will be higher, it will be warmer, so to speak, even to such a light heat, i would say, precipitation is not expected, precipitation is more likely in the western part of ukraine on sunday. well, this is the nearest synoptic perspective, everyone have a good, calm weekend with light, and water, and sunshine, and of course, keep a close eye on our updated weather forecasts on the espressa channel. thank you, ms. natalka, i will say goodbye until monday at 6:10 p.m., take care, stay with espresso, literally in a few moments, the verdyk program with serhii rudenko will be interesting, good evening, we are from ukraine, today in the verdict program with serhii rudenkom, disembarking. allies in

normandy, former partners in the anti-hitler coalition are now demonstrating unity in the fight against putinism, what did presidents zelenskyi and biden agree on on french soil? mirages in the ukrainian sky. macron promised to replenish the air fleet of the armed forces with french -made multipurpose fighters. are there any restrictions on the use of measures? weapons by ukraine. the nuclear club of the kremlin. putin said the west was wrong to believe that russia would never use nuclear weapons. why the kremlin dictator is again grasping for his last argument in the confrontation with the west. glory to ukraine. and this is the verdict program. my name is

serhii ordenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, about the war and about our victory. in the first part of our program, we will talk about the foreign policy results of this week. we will have a diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine, valery chaly, visiting us. the second part of our program will feature journalists larisa voloshina and maryna danylyuk-yermaleyeva, a traditional friday journalist. espresso club, we will talk about sociology, about zelenska sociology, about servants and the people and sociology, and about democracy and sociology. however, before starting our big evening and our big conversations, i suggest you see how today , president zelenskyi's speech was greeted with thunderous applause by the national assembly of france, during a speech about new threats in modern europe, zelenskyi switched to french. language, the deputies of the assembly gave a

standing ovation, well, obviously, not only to president zelensky, but also to the courage of the ukrainian people, let's see how it all turned out, france, i am very grateful. thank you for supporting us to protect life.

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valery chaly, a diplomat and extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, let's start our conversation with a meeting in normandy, where former members of the anti-hitler coalition celebrated the 80th anniversary of the landing in normandy, and during the speech at the ceremony, the president united states of america joe biden drew parallels between. on d-day, that is, the day of the landing, or the beginning of the military operation, the landing of the allies in normandy, and the war in ukraine, let's listen to what the president of the united states of america said. ukraine was captured by the tyrant.

ukrainians fight with extraordinary courage, suffer great losses, but still do not retreat. the united states, nato and a coalition of more than 50 countries are firmly on the side of ukraine. we will not go. because if we do that, ukraine will be conquered, and it won't end there. neighbors of ukraine will be under a threat all of europe will be under threat. make no mistake, the autocrats of the world are closely watching what is happening in ukraine. will we allow this illegal aggression to flow with impunity? we cannot allow this. mr. valery, one more thesis was missing in this speech, that russia must be defeated, just like fascist germany at one time, why world leaders,

drawing analogies between the past and the present, still do not twist this thesis, well the answer is simple , because the fascists did not... managed to make nuclear weapons after the fau, and principle, i also have a question, these parallels that are given are somewhat logical, because it is clear that what is being said here is that the fascist regime in its essence, like nazism in germany, is also now a fascist regime in its manifestations in russia, but despite the fact that this is the case with the allies, it is already over when it began. the stage of the defeat of fascism, that is, not only the nazis, but in general the victory in the second world war, it was still a long war, but it was already such a step that had already been taken, and i will remind you that

hundreds of thousands of allies and americans really died, and it's operation neptune, the overload and all that was very difficult, but they went for it, and now what's the parallel? well, i like the parallel in victory that children are a victory, we did it together, by the way, ukrainians were also involved in this victory over nazism, but at the same time there is no real understanding, so what parallels, if ukraine is alone, the point here was precisely that that all the allies have united, that is, i was missing a phrase, not that... there about russia, but i was missing a phrase, we will not only stand together with ukraine, but we now, we now we are involved in this matter, that is, now the day has come when we cannot simply watch as the ukrainian people,

bleeding, fight for our european security with you, we cannot watch and be on the sidelines, when the ukrainian people now there, while we are celebrating here, it is fighting, we have to... enter this war and win, well, this should have happened, but it didn't happen, well, but the anti-putin coalition also entered the war right away and passed away. from the beginning of the second world war to this day where 5 years, almost 5 years, and and and that also a question, that is, if we already draw these analogies, then we are now, with the second world war, what stage are we at now? well, you know, it's better than me that all these analogies limp, that is, i see a lot of comparisons with other moments lately. with the soviet-finnish war, that is, there

is an analogy much closer to us, and in principle, to put it briefly, such countries that alone cannot, in fact, well, i admit that asymmetry with russia and a nuclear country, are many times more territory, many times more population, weapons, i.e. this... it is obvious to me that the victory must be collective, and actually these countries dragged on for a very long time, waiting, well, for the soviet union to take its steps, and then, well, with smaller human costs, to press from all sides, i think that if what i said is from finland, then they often say that... there at some stage to stop, to agree to fixing the situation, because there are many victims,

just the war showed the winter in finland , that the soviet union, when it received this consent truce from finland, he immediately, what he did, just a few days later, began to demand more, and did not allow finland to even sign an agreement with sweden, that is, then he demanded that his proteges take over the leadership of finland, and then. then finland was forced to receive support, or did it take such a step from the fascists, that is, and in fact, after the distribution of spheres of influence, after the second world war, finland found itself on the other side, and then it lost essentially all the territories that it once gave to the soviet union , that is, these analogies it is necessary to understand those who now think that if the situation is recorded somewhere. if putin wants, then we will win something there, some kind of pause, and analogies from grandfathers - this is victory, victory, what i

said, it must be achieved together, together with allies, as of today, you know, ukraine does not have a single ally, because an ally is someone who signs an alliance agreement with you and enters the war, supplies weapons, aid, these are not allied relations, these are partnership relations, this is all very well, but... such wars, on such a scale, are not are won and not completed without the inclusion of all forces, and it will be, and what you say, at which stage we are, well, unfortunately, we have not yet reached the dead days, as it happened there, we are somewhere waiting for the understanding to come all of these partners of ours have the final opinion that we should still come to this d-day already, but the fact that this year and at this anniversary there were no russians already in the... eighty-year-old, this already shows that no one is with putin anymore

nothing will ever be agreed upon, or is it simply that in the current situation the eightieth anniversary is happening in this way, because the 70th anniversary of the landing in normandy, it was the first meeting, as far as i remember , between president poroshenko and president putin after poroshenko was elected president, and i remember how poroshenko simply did not want to come. to putin's and there they were simply brought together, so that they could at least say hello, exchange words, exchange a few words there, well, if i remember those days, i was really there and i remember very well all those moments, who was with whom, to whom he approached, and of course it was putin then, and now there is no invitation, although the french they talked about what they were doing. soil, how it will be perceived if invited, well , of course, not putin, because then

an arrest warrant should be issued for putin there immediately, someone else, that is, for russia to be present, because russia or, let's say, those people who in to the soviet union were from the rsfsr, they took part in joint actions with ukrainians, belarusians, and all our other peoples of that period in over nazism, simply, well, in fact, russia has won this victory for itself in its understanding, it has since strange may 9. they did it with some kind of fascist march, it is very strange that such historical changes came out, and that is why they really perceive it differently now, somehow everything has turned around, they perceive it completely differently, well, if there was no war against ukraine and crimes and the actual

warrant already issued by the hague court, of course it would be different, but no matter what... there were no illusions at that time, and indeed, you correctly remembered, i think, on the seventh, it was precisely the inauguration of president poroshenko , and before that a meeting in normandy, and there was hope, with on the one hand, the europeans, that they will somehow be able to push putin to a realistic assessment, and on the other hand , what else happened there, that in fact baraka...obama gave this, consciously, as it were, gave this initiative, or essentially pushed away these problems, handing them over to the europeans, and that was a mistake, and that mistake is not repeated by joseph biden now, although he worked with him as vice president, but you compare what barack obama said then and what

joseph biden is saying now, because it's been 10 years , but 10 years have passed and illusions about intentions have passed. both putin and the regime are gone, so maybe these years were needed for reflection, sometimes we say that in one period or another, it could have been done one way or another, well, periods are made by people, and that's what that i say even today that i would like it to be so, that there would be determination, well, not ready, not ready, it's all a lot of factors influencing it, that's why normandy now and normandy 10 years ago. these are absolutely two different situations, two different situations, the only thing that is repeated is that ukraine was alone then, and now it remains alone, eat, then, of course, we fought for a pause in the production of weapons in

ukraine . on their missiles and our boats there launched the same manpads, the same javelins the americans received, that is, we still used that period, so you don’t talk there, but today is a different stage, it is at a new level, if they were needed then , perhaps immediately providing these weapons in such a quantity as now, they would stop the war, if we had been given this amount of weapons at that time, then of course it would have stopped putin's intentions, because he was standing, he had 175, 180 thousand, now, according to estimates, 550 00 in ukraine and around ukraine, that is, a completely different situation, therefore, this is another such lesson that everything should be done in advance, preferably without

expecting any actions, then a reactive position, by the way, now a lot of people are discussing precisely, not even the volumes of support for ukraine, but the dynamics, timeliness, which should not react to russia's actions, and anticipate these actions. well, that's zelensky speaking before the national assembly of france today, he said that he rejects the possibility of territorial concessions to russia until the end of the war. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. can putin win this battle? no. no, because you and i have no right, no right to lose. can this war die out on the lines that exist now? no, because there are no lines for evil that exist 80 years ago or now. and if someone himself tries

to draw temporary lines, it will only give a pause before a new war. now it is the same as... when evil was unleashing its aggression against his neighbors, in the 1930s, hitler overcame line after line, and putin is doing the same today. mr. valery, the president of ukraine says that you and i have no right to lose, and again, well, despite everything , the thesis about how we should win all this is not enough. war both in the current conditions and with the participation of a country that is a nuclear country, but no, no, it has not been pressed either, on me, and there is no answer to that, but how, how does ukraine propose to end this war, or do you

understand what does zelensky mean when he says that we have no right to lose, but how to win? well, what the president of ukraine stated is, in principle, the official position, and it is a statement of two things, firstly, what if we take a break. then the war will not go anywhere, i.e. these are illusions, if there are any agreements on freezing, i.e. these are illusions, then everything will be even bigger, it will expand more, and then it will be very difficult to avoid complete encroachment by the russians and the putin regime, and the second point is that , that he calls on partners to realistically assess the situation and make efforts now, that's it position. this is the official de-occupation of the territory and access to the borders, it has not changed, which the president of ukraine emphasizes, because a lot has been said about the fact that on the eve of all

those peace summits there they have narrowed down the issues, well, here such an emphasis is clear in france that no one refuses these positions, but secondly, i have my own vision, it is not what, let's say, exists today for this... the possibility of implementation right now, but i am sure that such a war, it is beyond the scope there international legal, it is considered local, between a large country, such an asymmetric local war, but regional it is already in some manifestations, global it is also in cyberspace, that is , this war is so multifaceted, and this type of war on... at this stage can be won by involving a coalition countries, that is, it has already happened more than once, when there is a coalition of countries,

when there is an aggressor, and this coalition adopts a set of measures, including economic sanctions, well , that is, embargoes, at the same time political isolation and a military coalition with the involvement of powerful countries, including those who has... nuclear weapons, that is, in principle, it is clear, it should be a coalition of countries that protect european security, which coalition of countries that protect european security, at a minimum, it is nato, which includes the usa, which includes canada, and there are european participants, including the nuclear countries, the usa, great britain, france, that is, this is a formula for victory unequivocally, that is , joining forces - that means, that means, well , what they still cannot comprehend in any way, but they will reach this at some stage, this is actually entering the war

on the side of ukraine, because putin's ultimatum was not to kyiv, he was to washington and brussels in the 21st year on december 15, these documents are there, this ultimatum was not made by him, and in some parts it has already been destroyed, well , first of all, by the lack of... answers to it, if such a capitulation, and secondly, sweden and finland are already members of nato, they still have to accept ukraine and this whole story can be closed, so i think that it will not be otherwise, that is, there are two ways, in this war there are only two ways, well, in war it is meant in confrontation, which is difficult to determine in the period, how long it will be, but this is one, it is surrender of ukraine. and the second is the defeat of russia through the actions of a joint coalition of countries led by the united states, the same france, germany, britain, that's all, when we

come to it, this is an important question, everything rests on the fact that i have no doubt in the victory , i have no doubt, i am only a big problem, the resources of the country of ukraine, that is, well, you cannot restore the lives of people and professional soldiers. and those who are motivated and know how to fight, you can't bring it back, that's why our partners have the logic that we will be exhausted now lead, and i can already see it, for next year, it is wrong. i believe that they need to understand the situation better, and concentration of efforts and bold actions can absolutely lead to a result, and this should be done, how to convince them of this. so, well, you see, when they were afraid that it might come again to their territory, the supplies of weapons for us went, as soon as they see that the war

might come to their home, some steps begin, so we have no choice, we but we cannot create conditions under which we allow an invader to strike through our territory somewhere else, what could have been, by the way, unfortunately, he is near us, so we have to convince, we have to show these scenarios, and for me they are obvious, it is obvious that nato will collide with russia, for some reason they think that they will be avoided, the secretary general declares, there is no direct threat, why is there no direct threat to russia, nato, because ukraine diverts all these forces to itself, just as the commander of the norwegian army says, we have two or three years, because in fact all those who stood by we, this land component, were all split up here by the ukrainians, i.e. russia well, i removed everything from all points, well, i'm sorry, so if so, then now ukraine is coming out for...

and the guarantor of the security of nato countries, where did we come? and these bravura statements then, well , excuse me, once again, weapons, weapons are wonderful, and without them there is nowhere, and your help is important, but they don’t win like that, so there will be, sooner or later in this war, there will be nato troops, and america will be there, well, maybe i don’t know which countries, but the europeans will definitely be there, only our neighbors will definitely be there, because if poland... romania, slovakia, the baltic countries, if they delay, then it will come a war on their territory, that will be all, only it must be faster, otherwise the exhaustion of ukraine, well, this is not in the interests of us ukrainians, let's be honest, that's why i want us to share this responsibility for the future of europe, and not pull this strap alone against such a strong, in principle large country with nuclear potential. mr. valery,

literally in the last two weeks , ukraine received permission to use western weapons for strikes on the territory of russia, biden confirmed that the americans give authorization for missile strikes 200 miles, well, 300 km deep into russia, and he is talking about the fact that we did not give permission for strikes on moscow and the kremlin, apparently so far. they did not give, but macron has already said that france will hand over the mirage 2000 fighter to ukraine and conduct appropriate training for ukrainian pilots as part of new military cooperation with kyiv to counter the russian invasion, let's listen to what the french president said. tomorrow we will start a new cooperation program and announce the supply of the mirage 2000 series of french combat

aircraft, which until... we will hand over these aircraft by the end of the year. mr. valery, what in your opinion prompted our western partners to move to a new stage of cooperation with ukraine, to grant permission for strikes on the territory of the russian federation. the situation with kharkiv, the offensive on kharkiv. actions, or some other motives that prompted our western partners to reconsider their position? well, i think three main factors: the first one, which i already mentioned, is the fear that the war will come to them, which is, well, let's be honest, they began to analyze the situation that if ukraine is not helped in this way, this is the position, sorry, to give it all, drag with planes, as we see again. that is

, f16, even if the planes come there or something is already there, then the pilots now have a question, that is, the mirages said that everything is fine, so why only now, that is, before they said that only the f16, and the mirage is not needed, because everything needs to be consolidated this, and the f-16, we took this position, now it suddenly appeared, although i know that there was already training for pilots on other planes in france, so maybe it will ... go faster than with the f-16. further, why then the swedish grymkens, then it was not possible, just like the taurs can increase, they said, because f16, that is, you know, well, it’s clear to me, i understand that it’s all difficult, i understand that it’s to a greater extent , it is not a part of logistics that only 12 pilots can be trained for the us f-16 by the end of the year, when i hear that, i, well, i...

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