will such come there or is there already something, then the pilots now have a question, that is, the mirages have declared that everything is fine, so why only now, that is, before they said that f16 only, and mirages are not needed, because it is necessary to consolidate all this, and f- 16, we adopted such a position, now it suddenly appeared, although i know that the training of pilots on other planes was already in france, so maybe it will somehow go faster than in ... further, and why then the swedish groinkins then not it was possible, which tauruses can raise, they said because f16, that is, you you know, well, it’s clear to me, it’s clear to me that it’s all complicated, it’s clear to me that it’s mostly not a part of logistics, that only 12 pilots can be trained for the us f-16 by the end of the year, when i hear that, i , well , i hate it, because... well, again, the usa

can train 12 pilots by the end of the year, what are we talking about, what kind of usa and 12 pilots, well, what, well, who are you telling all this, this only a political decision and that's all, now the president of france declares that by the end of the year there will already be mirages, well, that is, watch from the beginning summer until the end of the year mirages, and why are they still coming to us at 16 and a half years, then i have a question, that is, they need to finish all this and... into this strategy of regulated escalation, it can end badly for them, for them, no only for us, i.e., this is the first moment, the second, really, there is no order on the border, when there is no possibility to strike on the territory of the enemy, weapons are accumulated there and strikes are carried out from there, then, of course, according to international law, this is allowed, if we had such political decisions, they were, we know publicly, even we ho... what with

as americans, we negotiate, that is, how we use these weapons, not only with the americans, with all countries, it is true, this is a very weak position, very weak, and i mean in agreements, for example, security ones, i would in no way i wrote here all the obligations of ukraine not to hit russia with this weapon, as it is, for example, in the agreement with belgium, on the one hand they give f16, on the other hand it is not possible on the territory of russia, but how, in what way with missiles? those planes that drop guided bombs on kharkiv, what should he use to hover over the border and what to do next, well, this is for to a non-military specialist, it is absolutely clear that this is a delusion, who will calculate which f16, belgian, danish or dutch is flying, that is, what are we talking about, it is so much that i am tired of all the maneuvers, i am tired of these conversations, because often it is... .

on time, if it’s in terms of supplies, and we don’t know everything, then great, great, but let’s see what is being done, on every website of the ministry of defense, the us pentagon, france, germany, they publish every time how many weapons provided, i understand that not everything is published, but in basically they publish all this, what the hell, you remember this during the second world war, when hitler fought so that the allies would show the germans how much they were handing over. i will go to poland there, the numbers, where, in what terms, well, to be honest, i am very worried about this, because on the one hand, this is a report to the taxpayers, i understand, but no taxpayers, i remind you, pressed for these all the lists were on the websites of the ministry of defense, it's a strange story, when they saw that such strikes and civilians were being hit uncontrollably people, around kharkov, there is the sumy region, of course it will force... they were under pressure

to do it, now i would say that now is the good side, well, they are considering there that it is not possible to hit the kremlin, moscow, but 320 km deep into russian territory, around the entire border, because i didn't see any objection anywhere, around the entire border with russia, this zone will become a buffer zone in the future, because you can't get closer, of course it would be good from a distance. there are strategic bombers, i would, of course, drive them to the urals if possible, well, but these are scumbags, but for 320-400, so that the iskanders would be there somewhere on the edge, yes, this is in the future, in the future, i’m not saying now, but in the future, let’s see, this will be a very important element, because then ukraine, creating on the territory of russia, well, not us, but allies, when there will be victory, created in agreements. already this buffer zone will be some kind

of guarantee that they from russia will not repeat these strikes on kharkov, on sumy, on other border cities, on donetsk, on luhansk, that is, in... which is important for us to fix now, so from the position do not hit on refinery, even with ukrainian weapons, to a position that is possible for 320 km, i think that if they have passed this way in a month, it is already good, and we need to remove this conversation about these bans altogether, wars are not won like this, they are not won if you have some agreements with the russians about non-escalation. further, well, i think that the period has already come when putin and this regime have crossed all the red lines, that is, where to go if they threaten you with nuclear weapons, if they send ships to cuba, it is not known what will take these ships there , that is, you understand, historical

parallels, what signals putin is sending, that is, in this and in this position, he will show weakness, well, firstly , it will be a historical mistake, and secondly, it will lead to... problems for all these countries, not only ukraine. i 'll remind our viewers that we're live and we're doing a poll today, we're asking you about the lights today, are you ready for long blackouts, yes, no, it's pretty simple on youtube if you're watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you're up for the long haul turn off the lights, although i don't know how you can be prepared for it, but at least we 'll ask you. 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 please write in the comments under youtube, under the broadcast on youtube, what you think about this, and of course comment on our companies, we read your comments, we are interested

to know what you think about what was said and heard in to our broadcast, i would like to remind you that today we have a visiting diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine, valery chaliy, well... already mr. valery, they said that putin is constantly trying to blackmail, and the nato countries understand that sooner or later putin will go to war against the north atlantic alliance, the countries of the north atlantic alliance, at the big forum that took place in st. petersburg, the so-called economic forum, the russian dictator for a meeting. with foreign journalists once again threatened western countries with nuclear weapons, let's listen to what he said and how he said it, this is such a very tough topic, the united states is the only country that used nuclear weapons during

world war ii. hiroshima, nagasaki - 20 kloton. our tactical nuclear weapons are 70-75 kton. this is such a tactic. let's not argue not only about use, but also about the threat of use. for some reason , the west believes that russia will never use it. we have a nuclear doctrine. look at what it says. if someone's actions threaten our sovereignty and territorial integrity, we will consider it possible to use all the means available to us. you can't treat it lightly, superficially. you have to behave professionally, i know that you don't really like to comment on putin, mr. valery and in general, well, what he says, but i will still ask, and what does it mean to treat the subject of nuclear weapons professionally in

putin's variation, i, as a world, should discuss this with him professionally, well, what he translates, what he said, if you... think i'm not crazy enough not to order this, you're wrong, i'm ripe for everyone to follow, look at me, you'll see , what a maniac i am, then i can go further, this is what he told them, this is in his understanding a professional assessment, because in fact, speaking professionally, what was said there, you can't threaten, at the same time they do it all the time, they don't just threaten, there... his deputy on the security council declares that he announced the launch of a strategic nuclear weapon attack on london, on paris, on, i don't know, washington he called but what is it? this is prohibited by all conventions, which are both professional. professionally, if you look at it professionally, after

such a statement, it is necessary to use conventional weapons to completely detonate everything that they supply here, supply, if professionally. it should have been professional. the answer is he mocked that there is no professional response from the west to his threats today, and mocked by the fact that you see how we, we russians, send death, as he already said, that we don't even need to mobilize, 46,000 of us came voluntarily, they themselves want to fight, death is coming, well, lies, well, a liar , well, what is not clear is that this is a person who simply lies, that is, he is a professional kagibist, he creates all these schemes himself, and in these schemes he uses a weakness of perception, yes everyone they will be afraid, he named, you see, he names 70 with numbers. well, who knows, for example, and whether they can

do anything in russia at all, they announced these trainings, they took something somewhere. in response, the americans took and tested tactical nuclear weapons, in a different way, without detonation, that is , they, i don’t know the details, but the americans gave some information about this to zmi, yes, the origins of zmi, and what, my, well, my conclusion , which i... did from communication with specialists in this field, that before using nuclear weapons, it is necessary to first understand, test whether they will not explode in such actions somewhere on their territory, that is, it is necessary to conduct some kind of test, which did not take place in 1996, if i am not mistaken, in russia, that is, this is the first, the second is that... the moment is like this, putin understands perfectly well, the first attempt

to use tactical there is a nuclear charge, whatever, there is no difference, that is all, that is the end of his story for him, because i do not think that china in this situation will behave as it is now, it is clear that the usa will do it all differently, he warned about it, so he basically gives it all, these words he directs to... one's own, the society fooled by the propaganda or those who remained there, and to such right-wing, left-radical groups abroad, well, in fact , those who then write in newspapers about these statements, then spread this topic a lot from these statements, you see, there are already russian statements, the others are worthless, well, in principle, if you make a statement. the spokesman of the pentagon some serious things, then the whole world

is looking at it, and the spokesman is russian, and they destroyed 1000 hymers, 500 patriots there, that is, well, well, well, what are we talking about, and i am not, i i claim that putin is lying in this situation, because he is well aware of the agreements that he has, including those with washington and beijing on nuclear weapons. and he knows perfectly well that if he applies, well, you know, this is the story, everybody thinks it's going to be the end of the earth and everything, but it's going to be the end of something else, it's going to be the end of it, it's going to be pandora's box opened, and very quickly there will be two dozen or even more nuclear states in the world, that is, even in this situation , russia will be out of... they will shut her up very much seriously, then they will simply dismember,

starting with china and others, well, because no one will tolerate it anymore, so it somehow still affects someone, i don’t know who it affects, it affected us in ukraine in the 22nd year very seriously, it affected our partners at the end of the 22nd year, now those experts who gave an answer in america, i read these statements, well, they are very calm about it... they react, because they understand that the first ricochet it will hit putin personally , so the second, other words, which he repeats there 10 times all the time, when such threats at first, and then he repeats, no, no, no, russia will not use, as karaganov, serhii karaganov, well, he is such an apologist for this promotion of the topic of nuclear and incineration strikes, and they ... played the scenario today, what he asks question to putin, and putin says, no, we will not use these weapons, we have enough

of our conventional forces to achieve the result, you understand, yes, that is, it is all a game, and god forbid, he will come to some such decision, well i think there might also be deterrents, at least i think that in the usa they understand this, in any case... any movement, everyone, all ammunition under control, any movement, if it starts, you will see, it will appear immediately in the key intelligence agencies. the world, because then the americans, and those intelligence agencies that have access, will immediately leak this information, they will immediately leak it all into the information space, because it is without a doubt, so that you do not doubt, so now it is necessary to understand that even without nuclear weapons they kill of our people, and the number of dead in principle on the part of russia has already exceeded

the number of dead in nagasaki and hirasiv, that is... do you understand the scale of russia's losses in the war against ukraine? yes, mr. valery, and it is clear that there are two important summits ahead for ukraine, this is the global peace summit, which will be held on june 15-16 in switzerland, and in july the nato summit, the anniversary summit of the north atlantic alliance, regarding the first summit, the global peace summit, three of the 10 points... of zelenskyi's peace plan seem to have been agreed for consideration at this summit, but latvian president edgars rinkevičs says that ukraine's victory in the war should be based on the ukrainian peace formula, and he stated this at the security forum in riga, in response to a question about what he understood by ukraine's victory. i have a very

simple answer to your question: we support the president's peace formula. zelenskyi, this is the first, second, ukraine should become a member of the eu and a member of nato, this is what the complete victory of ukraine in this war will mean for us. well, yes, the president of latvia articulated quite clearly what victory in this war of ukraine means. at the same time, we see how china is also trying to promote some kind of peace strategy and says that 26 countries of the world are sort of... working on this peace strategy, what will be at the global peace summit, obviously we will see if, in your opinion, there will be a parallel summit that will be held china is in the interests of russia to present some more peaceful plan, well, in order to say that not only zelensky has a peaceful plan for ukraine, but also china, and to put it simply,

russia, well, first of all. let's see the result, the main thing is that it is not blurred, that the plan is peaceful, basic, the one that represents ukraine, there are certain risks there now that there may be some kind of joint document blurred that will blur this position, but this situation can be circumvented, i think diplomats are working on it now, in relation to china's attempts, china is seeking the surrender of ukraine, everything is very simple, well, he understands that ukraine will not agree to this, so he is satisfied with such a prolongation of the war on the one hand, on the other hand it is dragging on for a long time, it is also unprofitable for china to include what i said, and it will be irreversible if it is included other countries in this war, then china will lose, china will lose the situation, and putin will lose, so now is the right moment, they want to record the victory

of russia, that is, from a weakened russia, which is beneficial to china, they will already have a party with her there soon... they will remove, that is , i mean energy wise. china is playing, well, if we are talking about us, then against us, for today. regarding all his statements about the number of countries, well, these are empty statements so far, this is not a peaceful plan of china. there are three positions, to stop, to fight, let's put it this way, that's what, what putin wants, leave the hunched over and stop. next, what to talk about, what is the security umbrella, what next? i... nothing china is doing this, so i think it's absolutely not unworked seriously, if we talk about the importance of china, it's really important its position, it's like that, it's just in support of russia, we have problems, of course we we also have no such understanding with china and we do not know

what to do with it, that is why president zelensky has already resorted to such harsh statements, but... probably, probably, in principle, it is necessary, we will have to understand that, well, consider that china, unfortunately, is not on our side, and we will have to take some kind of measures here in order to at least reduce this situation, these threats from its side, now regarding various peace plans, well, the situation it is still so far from peace plans. that is, no summit or any meeting, it will not give results so far, and the peace summit, there is no need for any inflated expectations. what will happen next depends on the position of many countries of the world, and there is really such a struggle for minds, so that considered the threats to their countries, it is a pity

that the intentions to hold the summit fell on a completely different time than it was planned, after all, they thought earlier that somewhere in the summer we would have some opportunities to really stop the war, but there is no such thing in china will... they will collect initiatives around brics. brics, which is now so strange out of five countries, it has become, there is ethiopia, there is iran, that is, other countries, plus, of course, there are also middle eastern countries, they have joined, some format of partners, that is, they form anti-american coalition, so anti-american. well, in principle, logically, the world is going that way right now, dividing into two parts. ah... an authoritarian group led by china, and here he crouched down, a representative of one vassal country is sitting, which simply

surrenders to china, all of russia, that is, and then everyone who depends on and or is interested in supporting china, and allies the united states, nato, the european union, japan, new zealand, australia, that is, south korea, now there is such and such a distribution, and ... in principle, the attempts will be, what you said, to dilute the position peace formulas, but i think that we must also understand that we must also be dynamic, those things that seemed key before may now be less important, on the contrary, other positions will be more sensitive for us, so i would generally at the peace summit i didn't make a single document there, you can make some statements in different areas of food security, energy, there exchange are erroneous, but what you definitely should not

do is to give up your positions, because i will say one thing, it is always very difficult at the last the period when it goes indeed exhaustion, and it is felt that we have the resources of our not eternal and diplomatic activity and work. foreign affairs, and at the front, that is why the impression is that they are already exhausting and it is not known what will happen next, but the enemy also has the same story, so they will have to endure and also improve their abilities in foreign diplomacy to work not only outside the norm there in terms of form , but effectively in the sense of being flexible, using... that is , using all possible ukrainian resources in order to work, including on

in the chinese direction, we should not let go of this direction, here it is simply necessary to achieve a dialogue with china in other ways, well , here is what concerns the global peace summit, as the president of switzerland viola amhert says . russia can already participate in the next peace conference, i will quote mrs. president of switzerland. it is clear to us that we will not sign a peace agreement based on the results of the conference. for peace , both sides must sit at the negotiating table. russia could be present at a possible next conference, in her opinion, the swiss summit will become the basis for further negotiations. in this situation viola amhert. says that peace should be signed between the two sides, although in our understanding, it should not be peace in the classical sense of switzerland, but there should be

a capitulation of putin in the current situation, there is a difference, mr. valery, between what should russia capitulate in the current situation, and the two sides should sit down and sign a peace agreement? well, to be honest, i... what other scenario than surrender, let's just be honest for now, in we do not yet have such factors to talk about capitulation, but about the de-occupation of the territory of ukraine and compensation and everything else, it is necessary to stand on this and move, is it possible to talk about it with putin at the negotiating table, well, i think not , i do not imagine such a situation either on his... side or on our side, that is, is it possible to do it in another way, of course, you can, you remember istanbul, these grain agreements, but formally there we did not sit at the table for one, two

different agreements were signed. actually made the deal so multifaceted, so i think that there are mechanisms, i am a supporter, or rather i think that this war, if we are not talking about this stage of a large-scale, but a long, long war that may decrease in intensity, it will not necessarily end with ukrainian-russian negotiations of some kind, as they want now everyone is around, if indeed. coalition and pressure, i don't remember anything that the americans in iraq were negotiating with anyone, you remember who they were negotiating with at the negotiating table, they didn't negotiate with anyone there, according to me they didn't negotiate, but with milosevic led the americans, the usa, did not conduct negotiations either, they did not conduct, and why should they conduct here, and where did miloshovich end up in the gas, and as they conducted negotiations, planes flew in and bombed all the bases.

yes, it was tough for the serbian people then, but still there is a negative perception, but at the same time, serbs want europe and nato, by the way, many do, so i think there can be other scenarios, absolutely, in which we now we don’t even see it, but there must be factors for this, these factors do not exist, now we are not talking about the capitulation of russia, we are now we are talking about throwing it out of our territory, we are not talking about the destruction of moscow, maybe a lot... we want it, but it is an illusion, it is an illusion, let's be honest, that is, we are not talking about it, history will judge us later, we we have to erect a barrier on our existing borders with russia, so that this evil will never enter our territory, and if it wants to try, it will get hit in the face again, that's what we have to do, i want to fence off from them, maybe it's mine emotional

desires, let them live there as they want, no climb up to us at the very end, very briefly, if possible, a phrase about biden, that he was always against the natovization of ukraine. does this mean that ukraine will not receive an invitation to the alliance in the near future? i don't know what president biden said. i remember that we had statements, we have a charter signed long ago between our countries on strategic partnership and... and in joint statements , the americans always said that ukraine would be in nato. therefore, i think that he spoke in the context of a specific issue, i would on that did not focus attention now. we understand that certain conditions must also be met for this, and obviously no, this is not a statement that could stop the future historical process. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation, it was valery

chaly, diplomat, former ambassador. of ukraine in the united states of america, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center. friends, we continue to work on the espresso tv channel, and now we will look at the interim results of our survey. today we ask you about the following, are you ready to long-term blackouts. so, 19% - yes, 81% - no. in 15 minutes we will return to our broadcast again. here 's news from our colleagues at the bbc. later in... there will be a journalism club with the participation of larisa voloshino and marina danylyuk yermalayeva, we will talk about zelenskyi and sociology, about zelenskyi and his participation in the normandy meeting, there are many topics, wait, we will return to the studio in 15 minutes.

france promises to provide kiev with mirage fighters, while ukraine is waiting for promised f-16s from other countries. so like western fighter jets change the war? the entire next 15 minutes of bbc live from london. jafer umerov works in the studio. so france will provide mirage fighters to ukraine. this was announced by the country's president, emmanuel macron, in an interview with the french media. they will allow ukraine to protect its territory and airspace - said the french leader. but what?