warns of the possibility of russia attacking nato, as it has already done against ukraine. who will believe the kremlin dictator? threats to the presidential rating. the level of trust in zelensky continues to decrease. does the political project of the president - the servant of the people have any prospects? that's all about it. for the next 45 minutes we will talk in our studio. i want to remind you that we... work not only on the live broadcast of the tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there. please, vote in our poll today: are you ready for long blackouts? yes, no, it's quite simple on youtube, if you watch us on tv or on other media, you can call the phones if you are prepared for long blackouts 0800 2113.

381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. today, like every friday, we have a traditional journalism club, i want to introduce today's guests, this larisa voloshina, journalist, political psychologist. mrs. larisa, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. and maryna danylyuk yarmolayeva, a journalist and political commentator, should also join us. media consultant, author and host of two youtube channels censornet and showbiz. obviously, it will happen a little later. so what happened in france today? today, uh, president zelenskyi, after participating in the celebrations of the 80th anniversary of the landing of the allies in normandy, spoke before the national assembly of france. and he stated

that nazism is returning to europe again, and for russia it has become a new cult. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. when europe is again being tried to be reshaped by force and people are saying that these or other peoples supposedly do not deserve an independent existence. all this is directed against ukraine today. but in order to... in order to be directed against others tomorrow, one can even see the sequence of how the aggression can continue, the baltics, poland, the balkans and beyond, this russian regime does not recognize borders, even europe is not enough for it, it is already has destroyed syria and chaotic the sahel, it invests in terror and undermines life wherever it can reach. where he does not meet

opposition, larisa, well, zelensky is basically saying what we all feel about nazism, and about the fact that this, nazism, is a new cult for russia and that this nazism is returning to europe, can they hear zelensky europeans? i think, hardly, because it is precisely this kind of tangentiality to russia that works here. as something cultural, as something so fundamental and fundamental for other wild peoples, it is not for nothing that when in france there was the currently arrested russian is, in fact, a person with a russian passport who planned a terrorist attack on the olympics, but they say he is a chechen, we have seen how many western media and politicians, when explaining the coup, said to bury, that is... russians, that is the culture,

here are wild people, and russia is actually trying, without saying it, to pretend that it is the only one who can restrain this asian game and save europe, that is, it is not us, we say, it is us, it is we who do it, look at what russia is doing in terms of psychology, that's what freud called psychosis of small differences. actually imitates us in all its propaganda, an ancient nation, they are not like that, some kind of nobility, even where a soldier does not offend a child, it is our soldier, where they do not surrender, or take honor, these are our soldiers, not theirs, and they talk about themselves as if they are us, as if they are that russia, and in principle freud said that it is precisely where a nation claims heritage, cultural heritage. another nation, it's like psychosis, where

for a sick person you have to kill the one you 're imitating, because as long as he's there, your imitation it is obvious, and this is what they are doing, that is why... we say that their conflict with us is existential, it is about the fact that, having removed us, then kyiv, matyhorodov, russians, everything turned out for them, and they then, what is the essence of our death for europe, why is it dangerous, not even because the russians will go in columns, maybe they will go, maybe not, the problem is that they will finally in their heads have the absolute right to destroy the world, to destroy that ... europe as a spout of some values ​​hostile to russia, that's the point: while we are, they are not until the end of the subject in their own in their criminality. these days there are a lot of analogies, analogies are made, 1944,

june 6, the landing of the allies in normandy, the anti-hitler coalition, people help. together with the soviet union and the allies to fight fascism, not only with german, but also with fascism in general, did you expect that at this, at this meeting in normandy, well , at least it will sound, listen, well, it is very similar to what happened 80 years ago, and we need to create a coalition that will set itself for the purpose of killing modern fascism, even if they are afraid to call it fascism of the russian federation. or russian nazism, or did you expect that, what are these analogies, even if it sounds like it, it is not, in fact, i am very impressed that the ukrainian president was invited to this meeting, because what they are explaining are the same

french, in our traditionally, there are representatives of the anti-hitler coalition, that is, the soviet union, then russia as the legal successor, but when we... say that where there is liberation, where there is a personification with something bright that defeated evil, there now ukraine appeared at this place. the question is not that we were recognized as the legal successor of the soviet union, or that we replaced russia. no, we were recognized as those who are capable of protecting, sacrificing themselves for the sake of humanity, and not those who, in principle, just stir things up. that is, it is a very interesting story when hitler is compared to... with putin and hitler, and this is already, well, when they say the new nazism, in principle , putin is equal to hitler, and we understand that another half step and they will see stalin, sizimpina, sizimpina, it's wonderful, it's absolutely wonderful, we we see that such a repetition is taking place, and for

many countries, such as france, it was a great shame for them when, during the signing of this capitulation to hitler, there was a question. we french also lost, well, they say , with disdain, like you, although we understand that france was ambiguous in this war, and it is very important for the french now, because what macron is doing, he is correcting historical mistakes, well, how is he it positions, they started calling hitler, putin hitler, and they finally recognized ukraine as an important the country historically for the existence of europe and european values. hitler also tried to correct the historical mistakes of the first world war and wash away this shame, which he believed the germans had, but in this situation it was good that there were no russians at these anniversary events, although, well, it is clear that russia aspires to be the rightful successor

of the soviet union, but no less ukrainians died and no less ukrainian fronts, yes, two belarusians, not a single russian, so this is what the french are for... i follow what they say, they talk about these are: ukraine, four ukrainian fronts, ukraine has more right to be here in normandy. and maryna danyliuk yarmalayeva joins the conversation. marina, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. greetings, colleagues, glad to see you. i hope that you are with the light and everything, everything is fine, you have a connection, and i hope, let's knock on the table, and that everything will be fine during this broadcast. we speak. about today's speech by zelenskyi in the french parliament, about how he called on europeans to fight, the french, rather, work, fight against nazism, which, according to him , is returning to europe again, do you think europeans now hear ukraine and

zelensky, in particular, and if we draw analogies that we somehow hear during the last ones. two days, in what period is europe now in relation to ukraine? as you may have noticed, emmanuel macron, he used these celebrations for the 80th anniversary of the landing. allied troops in normandy and the liberation of france in their favor, you know, when i was watching this live broadcast of samaha beach, i had the impression that it was not once there united allied forces were liberating france, on the contrary. france is a super cool country that was still worth fighting for, and that's why all the allies decided to direct their forces to liberate france. it looked very beautiful in the background of how emmanuel macron. and demonstrated the power of his own defense industry, and there were airplanes flying by in the background,

all this showed, well, this was the advertisement of the military-industrial complex for the whole world, so i can say here that emmanuel macron worked out his theme for the advertisement of france 100%, and what is very important, you know, just recently i found a video, cut out a piece of how emmanuel macron thanked a brave ukrainian. of the people at such celebrations, it sounded very good from the words of the french president, who claims to be the leader in europe, who is now already in his second presidency to strengthen the status of france in the european union. it seems to me that at a certain stage there, mr. president did not really understand that it was not specifically about him, but about the ukrainian people, but, moreover, i was pleasantly surprised with this statement. plus, macron made such a big deal. of the russian federation, he said there that there are certain countries that also want

to change the borders, that is, it was another message to the russian federation, i can say that zelensky's speeches before the french parliamentarians, he was quite coherent, he continued the topic he started emmanuel macron, so i have no complaints about the speech, but you know what i noticed when they showed a close-up of the various delegations, i would like to. that our ukrainian delegation was also in good hands suits, and not in these olive-colored fleeces, which are already a little boring. plus, let's be honest, this is still a historical event of 80 years since the landing of allied troops on the shores of normandy, and even i noticed there, in the first rows sat veterans who were already 100 plus years old from different countries, and even these grandparents they were in nice suits, even civilian ones. or in uniform, so i would like the ukrainian delegation to dress more elegantly

for such celebrations. here, marina, you mentioned that the performance was met with applause zelensky in the national assembly of france. i absolutely agree with you that the french applauded the courageous ukrainian people, because the ukrainian people are waging this bloody war and an unjust war against ukraine. and just these days, a sociology has appeared regarding the trust, by the way, of zelensky ukrainians in president zelensky, as shown by the results of a survey by the kyiv international institute of sociology, the level of trust in president zelensky has been gradually decreasing since may 22, here we see this diagram , and as of may 24, the majority of respondents still trust the head of state. what is on this graph, at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the russian

federation, confidence in zelenskyi was 90%, last december it was 77%, in february it was 64%, and now it is 59%, this is still a high level of confidence, larisa, almost 60%, or does this mean that zelenskyi was and remains, well... a leader, despite everything, the political leader of the state, or does the war affect this, or is it the level of trust in zelenskyi as a person who does the right things in ukraine? i think, that this is still the effect of war, this is obvious, when a person is in danger, which he cannot cope with alone, he needs to trust someone, so a person needs to trust a doctor. because before that, while she is still more or less healthy, she can judge on the internet and look for diseases in herself, and when

she receives a fatal diagnosis, she simply trusts herself and everything, and is treated, these things are what is happening now with ukrainian society, so the fact that the level of trust is so high is positive for me says that the society is aware of the danger, this is important, the second point, me, for example, i am against,... publicizing in general, in general sociology during the war on such topics, because we know how vulnerable the president himself is to his rating trust, to popularity, and it's a... sometimes it keeps him from making important decisions that should be made and have to be made during the war, which are not popular, every time he sees that he has something falling somewhere, then we we see maryana bezogola lowered from the slag, which begins to look for enemies, then among the generals, then among the opposition, then somewhere else, that is, i am very worried that this information

is still being collected at a time when there is no political process and... and why it is being collected, and how it will be then it was used, most likely in an attempt to add populism, which was so dangerous for ukraine during the war. well, it’s obvious, it’s absolutely obvious that they, zelenskyi’s team, as television people, they focus on ratings, that is, those who work on television know villers and marina for sure. that every day we receive the numbers of our ratings. programs, we look at what happened yesterday, what numbers we had, the right guests, the wrong guests, what they said right, wrong, we probably need to take someone else or, let's say, strive for other ratings, but on this background there is another a figure that is also very interesting, despite this trust in zelenskyi, 55% of ukrainians have a negative assessment of the activities

of the servant of the people presidential party, while most of them have a very bad opinion about it. again , the results of the survey testify kyiv international institute of sociology, another 31% of respondents have a neutral attitude towards the party in power, only 9% of respondents are good or very good, although president zelenskyy is trying to somehow distance himself from this party, his servant of the people party, literally weeks ago at a closed meeting, as if zelensky was saying that , listen, you have a servant of the people... the leader there in the verkhovna rada is davyd rahamia, and we have five or six managers here, we manage the entire state, and the fact that the servants of the people , then this the parish of david arahami and other leaders of the party, maryna, do you think ukrainians have the understanding that the servant of the people

is zelensky, well, she and this party have not changed, these are the people who, as they said. .. in 2019 , volodymyr oleksandrovich zelenskyi entered the parliament and the government with one passport. and i want to say right away that i am against sociology, when some non-existent parties are measured there, yes, which have not yet been born in the embryo of the calf, its meat is already measured there, where it will go for sausage or roasting, but this particular sociology was very useful , ago that, as we could see, putin is very actively spinning the topic that zelensky is already illegitimate, with whom should we... sign that peace treaty, that is, he is trying to find such strings to wage war against ukraine, even when there will be some cold period there directly on the front line. but this sociology recorded that people clearly understand what zelensky is as a symbol of the state, and they consider him legitimate until

the first democratic post-war elections were held, but more and more zelensky is gathering negativity from his party as well and from style of public administration, and this figure of the evaluation of the servants of the people, where people said that 55% believe that this party is generally clumsy and, well, incompetent, this is a diagnosis of the political power of the president, despite the fact that zelensky says that you have david rahamia and i have no relationship with you, this is absolutely not true, because let's remember that most of those deputies who became deputies of the servant of the people faction. i would never have become a deputy in my life, if it weren't for the effect of 2019, if the console didn't give you extra points, if it's even some noun that never appeared in the electoral district, so he will not be washed away from the negativity of the servants of the people, but this sociology of the kmits, yes, it is very interesting because

people associate zelensky, but not as a physical person, but as a symbol of statehood. with the person we have to tolerate, who is supposed to represent the ukrainian state, not all people agree with his actions, there is a very interesting dynamic, for example, as of may 2022, zelensky was supported by 90%, then 77%, february 24th, when avdiivka fell and this unethical shower of zaluzhny 64, a now we see that 59% trust zelensky. then the dynamics are obvious, trust in president zelensky will fall, but there will be a certain plateau when people will think, well, he is not perfect, but we need it. a symbol of statehood, as long as we do not have the first post-war elections, so we will endure, and of course in the same situation,

i will mention one more figure from these sociological surveys, because it is very important in fact, president zelenskyi said that his five years have not ended and he will not summarize, but sociology summarizes still the results, and 50% is not 43%. ukrainians believe that during the 5 years of volodymyr zelenskyi's presidency, the situation with democracy in ukraine has worsened, 28% of them are convinced that this happened due to the authorities' efforts to reduce the rights and freedoms of citizens, while 19% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy has improved, and 29 that has not changed, that is, 43% of ukrainians believe that the situation with democracy in ukraine has worsened over the past 5 years, is it, larisa, or is it... a consequence of this, this monomajority, monopower, but without monoresponsibility. well, listen, when they talk about the rights and

freedoms of citizens, i wonder what percentage of them mean the right to leave, that is , the impression that society ignores the fact of martial law, which in itself is a restriction of the rights and freedoms of citizens. i was really struck by this combination of trust in the president and distrust in his political power. this once again shows that ukrainians still do not understand the meaning of the parliament, but they can, that is, we, we all understand that the servant of the people party, it was created that way and brought to power that way, that there are no politicians, that there are no political decisions within the party, only the president, now the president is gradually losing his influence over it and the opportunity to manage it and everything, and we, and we have an absolute collapse in the parliament, but this is not a subjective political . the party and society, when it sees a servant of the people of the party dissatisfied with idleness, does not equate it with the leader who brought it under his own responsibility,

at the same time, society demands some rights and freedoms, ignoring the fact of war and the restriction of these rights and freedoms, because we are talking about what to us you have to learn to live within the limits of rights and freedoms, they were everywhere, they were in the same britain, they were in the united states, during the war they are always there, when and... but it is not with less democracy, because democracy is not the rights of freedom, democracy is the right of the minority in the presence of the majority, precisely the minority, we have an opposition that cannot even fulfill its function, we have journalism that has been replaced by this marathon and telegram channels, we are talking about the fact that we have an investigative investigator, let's say. journalism that is ignored as fact, it is a minority of such people, a minority of such groups, but they should have the right, this is democracy, not that people are now under curfew or are not allowed

to go abroad. well, it seems to me that in the current situation, people still talk about democracy in a general context, because ukraine was and remains a democratic state, it is clear that the right to freedom of speech, the right to freedom. we stood up on three maidans, starting from the student square, ending the revolution of dignity, and stand up, stand up now, hundreds of thousands there are people in the armed forces, and they defend the right to be and be heard, the right to be heard in ukraine, for the future of a free and democratic country. marino, how is it possible in the conditions of war, taking into account the fact that war involves the curtailment of the right'. of freedom, as larisa says, still preserve democracy in conditions when we have no choice, or no right to re-elections, the right

is there, but there is no possibility to hold elections to the verkhovna rada or presidential elections. i would distinguish here the curtailment of democratic rights and freedoms, yes, and some slight curtailment of them wartime regime. so, unfortunately, we very often see from... the flipping of democratic rights and freedoms, why such a situation happened with the parliament, because look, always for any ukrainian president, be it petro poroshenko, be it yanukovych, whatever else, the parliament acted as a balancer, and the parliament produced some healthy ideas, the parliament could oppose the government and oppose the president, and thus we had this council , our traditional historical system, and it is not always there... to adopt quickly decision, but it was a balancing act, then we have a huge crisis of public administration, there were such neighboring polls of kmis, where people

answered there, and what is the most of them you. worries, yes, and there, for example, three positions at once, in what worries people, took the incompetence of people who represent the current government, corruption and lack of any political experience. we understand that we have entered such a phase of the war, when there is a great need for management power, quality war management, plus a communication crisis, because, for example, we are losing something there, somewhere problems on some part of the front on... they don't tell until the last, and then all this spills into very bad stories, and the crown of all these curtailments of democratic rights and freedoms was probably the situation with ukrinform, because it is an extremely very ugly story, when in 2024, in the era of ultra-fast internet, even with the lights off, e-journalists were sent dark notes advising them to shut up veterans who, for example, want to talk

about problems. rehabilitation and prosthetics, this is completely inadequate, and those journalists who were present at the meeting with the ambassadors of j7, said that the ambassadors of j7 were simply amazed, because they had not seen such know-how anywhere in the world, all this triggers people, because each of us this right, each democratic freedom was chosen for not only on two maidans, and we are also elected, by the way, and for all these 11 years of war, that is why i would not like some... very unscrupulous characters who, during the hype of 2019, accidentally became deputies there, and now they are curtailing all this, so that it was fought with the strength and blood of many people. thank you, marina, larisa, who are there fuses, which allow us to say that we will not allow the temniks to return again, we will not allow the public to be destroyed, we will not allow there to be a limitation

of three tv channels, which have been so limited for the third year and do not appear in t2, a completely voluntary decision, the fifth channel is direct and espresso. in the absence of elections, in the absence of elections and in the state of war that we are now in, how do we protect democracy, well, the fact is that elections do not help much in this, because the voter goes to the polling stations, elects someone who in the quality of the pre-election promise is not put forward by the defense of freedom. and one more thing, and there, for example, will we plant, or will we do them all together, well, well, well, it’s not, it’s not the principles, it’s not the values ​​for which, so the question here is that so when we say temniks in ukrinform, it is specific, when we say attack on society and dismantling of this public television as a phenomenon, turning it into a state platform, this is specific, and the people that we...

see incompetence, corruption, this is it what, this is exactly where, here they are, what they have in mind, the incompetence of those who make decisions, specifically who, you don't like the fair, so let's say it like that, we don't like that the office of the president, not a constitutional body, has taken over the powers there, okay, but we, we, we always not about the specifics, and when the elections start, the specifics are even less, that's the problem, because the ukrainian voter should... protect the values ​​and should protect the principles of democracy, and these principles are clear, they are clearly defined, and you cannot make a mistake when you see that what belongs to the state is in the state kerforum is handing out temaniks, you understand, this is a violation of freedom of speech, you, as a citizen of a democratic state, cannot tolerate this, and it is more important than some abstract corruption that you have never seen, you see a corrupt person, you must, you must seek and monitor that he was jailed,

but abstract corruption is... about what, well , it is possible, although, well, there is corruption, the corruption law, for example, and we can demand that it be changed, but in the abstract it is some kind of corruption, where it is not known who, it is not known , where, it's nothing, you know, it's a lot anti-corruption investigations that give clear answers, who steals, how they steal and there are anti-corruption bodies, well, unfortunately, this is the legislation that was adopted in 2016, maybe it is not currently being applied as we would like, because... i remember i guess, and well , marina followed this story in the parliament, when they adopted anti-corruption legislation and said that this anti-corruption legislation is the best in europe, in general there is no better one in the world, well, that was just recently, as kuchma said, well, that well, that's all already happened, it's true, but you will consider that 2016 is a little different challenges, these are not the challenges of wartime, when there are a number of temptations.