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events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news feed reports on them. however, it is not enough to know what is happening, it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskyi and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, simulating ours future. every saturday at 13:10 with a repeat at 22:00. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. hello, greetings, i’m andriy yanitsky, gulsum khalilova, my colleague in the studio, this is a joint, joint berber project, or together in ukrainian, a joint project of espresso and the crimean tatar tv channel atr, and today in the second part of the program we will

talk with iskender bariyev, the head of management of the crimean tatar resource center, mr. iskender, greetings, greetings, good day, good day. well, if we talk about the results of this week and what happened on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula, what would you define as human rights violations on the peninsula this week, because i know, for example, that recently russia has been focusing on the so-called saboteurs and terrorists in crimea, and almost every week they detain so-called terrorists, santas, who are planning some kind of operations, terrorist attacks on the territory of akyar and other corners of crimea by order of the armed forces of ukraine or gurmo of ukraine, what would you say? well , first of all, i want to say what really they try or continue

to persecute our compatriots, they persecute articles such as sabotage, espionage and involvement in the noman battalion. and as for that video that you are showing, well , first of all, so far this is our opinion that this is a staged video in order to, well , scare people more, and because, well, really, if we talk like they provided information, they detained people who were allegedly previously considered and were previously considered as... as involved, as the people of melitopol, who, the five people from melitopol, who were previously convicted in the russian federation for terrorism, and that they cooperated there with the services of ukraine,

but in general, when we talk about the fact that they are doing, well, it's true, it's searches, this is the continuation of the persecution of citizen journalists, this is arrests. and here i would say more about the fact that they still continue to persecute the representatives of the crimean tatar people, and not all the information we are talking about now can be public, because the relatives of these people, well they really ask us not to talk about it out loud yet, because they are interested in getting them fired first, and why is this being done, i remember that in the 14th year there were similar... well, even then, not even russian law enforcement officers, the so-called occupying forces, even some volunteer brigades of theirs captured some people, accused them of

preparing terrorist attacks, i remember there at the new post office in okear in sevastopol, they took out some shields, like they used on the maidan. er protestors claimed that this almost some kind of weapon, although it is clear that the shield is, on the contrary , used for protection, for attack, and then such, well , incitement was felt, including through the tv channel of this russian citizen chaly, the nts was like this, a kind of panic, such panicky moods arose, fears that the local population was afraid of the so-called trains to... the service from kyiv and or some people from bandera, nazis and so on, and now why do they have this panic and this fear? well, first of all, when we talk about the 14th year and if we analyze all these processes, i myself fully agree

that it is necessary to analyze in order for us to be able to clearly talk about the dynamics, about their condition, about their tools that they use, that is, the 14th year. this is really the period when they did not have, let's say, official village structures on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, and they tried to use the so -called defense forces, defense forces, such wives of the people there, etc., although we understand that just representatives of the fsb took part in all these wives, representatives of the rural structures of the russian federation, in addition, they, as in the newly occupied territories, did it, let's say, without, let's say, not providing institutions for the protection of human rights, that is to say. when then the prosecutor's office system, the police system there, and

the judge system are created there so that each and every citizen or resident could apply and demonstrate, and for this they did it for that, and by the way, they also repeated it already in the newly occupied territories, it also happened in the territory of kherson region, zaporizhzhia region, and in order to really... let's say, to intimidate people and so that there is no pro-ukrainian civil movement, then they are already creating a system, the so- called law enforcement system, and now including systems have already appeared on the territory of kherson oblast, they made a gynecological court, and here it is, well, is it good or bad, this is exactly the question, but on the one hand, let's say, when we talk about the civil one. hostages, that is, these people who do not belong to the category of prisoners of war and do not belong to political parties, why? ago

that they are there without a court, without a court decision, without such decisions, well , the occupation system of the occupation authorities in order to be able to use these documents, why are they detained or kept in cities without freedom, are they basements or there are torture chambers of some kind and another thing, and here, from this side, we can say that... and here, for human rights defenders, there is more opportunity to protect people in the territory of the temporarily occupied kherson region. on the other hand, they are trying to demonstrate to the international community that they create all these institutions. and here we need to understand it. as for crimea, at this time in 10 years they really created these institutions, but with all this we see a different approach, and first of all in relation to the representatives of the native crimean tatars. of the people, when immediately after the decision of the international court of the un, they started more and

intensified the persecution of the representatives of the mijlis korultai system, and in this way they try to intimidate people, well, i think it is more related to the fact that for them they are for 10 years creating all institutions, law enforcement structures, the fsb and others here and there. they still can't cope with the fact that anyway information is sent from crimea to the competent authorities of ukraine, to the defense forces of ukraine, where the armed forces of the russian federation are located, or military facilities, or new facilities of some kind, they can't , well, let's say to control the situation when they provide information about the explosions, video materials, etc. and therefore it is very important for them, and including that they still have not been able to fully take

control when they appear so cleanly civil resistance, when we talk about apparitions from there, let's say colliers of the ukrainian flag, or yellow ribbons, or other such symbols of ukrainian , crimean tatar, or crimean liberties, it is very important for them that. .. they thus intimidated people more, so that, let's say, the number of people that could be taken completely under control later, and could be controlled more, and besides, they are still like now, now the main thing i would like to say , they do thus, they come at night and conduct searches, or kidnap a person, this is happening in crimea now, then they promise that they will... release, people try not to talk about it out loud, they really

release, but on what terms, we still have we don't know, and in this way i think that they are trying to spread the system, let's say pure quality, or conveying information, whether it reduces the circle of people who can create resistance, and therefore i think that this is exactly the purposeful policy of the occupiers, well you know, i wonder what the russian occupiers are do you want from teenagers? recently , the crimean tatar resource center reported that during the occupation of crimea , at least 28 cases of persecution of minors were recorded. well, do i understand correctly, is it more of an administrative case or something else, why are minors detained in crimea, for what cases, what are they accused of? well , first of all, when we talk about society, about the future in this or that society, and in general, we focus on youth, on young people, on

teenagers, as they perceive, and indeed we are witnesses of how actively they engage in militarization policy, propaganda policy, anti-ukrainian policy, let's say such politics, but with all this, when teenagers appear who use other sources, who try to create, well, whether they shoot a video or make some there, well, let's say show, we understand that teenagers and young people are more of such maximalists, and they... try to do what they can do, and here it is very, let's say, dangerous for them, i would say , and these are indicators the fact that among the youth that they tried to educate and are trying to educate, there are teenagers who do not take their position, and this is precisely where they, well, first

of all, really try to intimidate parents, they open administrative cases. either in relation to the teenagers themselves, or in relation to the parents, and in this way they try, well, let's say, to educate another part of the youth and children and teenagers, in order to demonstrate that they are in control of the situation and that there will be fines or there will be administrative arrests, that and thus including these to put pressure on parents not to allow these processes, and so... when we see 28 cases, that's a lot in my opinion, because that's what they've recorded, and here i want to say that we're not pretending to the fact that all this is all, all the information is complete, perhaps we do not have additional information yet, we may

have many more of these cases, but this demonstrates that in crimea there is... a young generation that occupies, shall we say, not that which takes a pro-ukrainian position, which does not agree with the policy of the occupying power in the territory crimea, and this is very important, well, that is, together with this, we understand that the militarization of children in the crimea, children in the crimea continues, here, for example, 2-3 weeks ago we saw that the russian occupiers in this immortal regiment and forced to pass they forced 3.5% of thousands of children in artek to do this to children, that is , it is a violation of international law, etc. militarization of children

etc., and even submits all this data to international courts, but still, how does this directly affect what is happening in crimea? well, first of all, i also want to remind you that we did not give and do provide information about how during the period of occupation the children were deprived of their rights, and indeed a violation of the convention on the rights of the child, and here it is precisely for us it must be said that the children, this is what you are showing on the screens now, and this really happened in artek and... and children from different regions are involved there, including from temporary occupied, new, temporarily, temporarily occupied territories, including from the territory of the russian federation, but i just want to remind you that on the first of june, the day of children's rights, they actively demonstrated, let's say, including

how children are programmed and demonstrated militarism. children, which contradicts all international norms, and it is very important for us, just to record it, to document it, and because children, they should not be politicized, they should be provided with, let's say, normal children's development, getting an education there, getting all the benefits that can be there, but we see that these children... the pantos are making future invaders there, future, let's say, criminals, and this is really, this is a crime and... that's what we're talking about we are trying to demonstrate, we are trying to document this, and we are trying to inform the international society about this, and it is really important

to pay a lot of attention to this, because this is the younger generation, which, let's say, is already traumatized by the ideological and propaganda work it does russian federation. very briefly, but i still want to have time to ask one question, the occupiers dismantled the monument to pyotr gergyrenko back in may, this probably happened, maybe on may 18, they only found out about it later, and i have a question, aren't all the monuments , which they did not like, they carried out in the 14th year, why they now reached the hands of the soviet human rights defender, who defended the crimeans. tatars and this is some kind of signal, a special symbol, why did this monument stand for so long, if the occupiers did not like it so much, do you have a version, and

look, look, literally minutes, uh, literally minutes, well , first of all, i want to say that starting in 2014, they tried to dismantle or remove certain memorial signs related to deportation, under the guise of some kind of work, with human rights activities and so on, as regards... the monument to petro grigorenko, we are currently collecting additional and complete information, i think we will have it, so they have now started some work there and in this way they are trying to demonstrate what they are doing, like this was on lenin boulevard, but the monument to peter grigorenko was constantly brought flowers, and it was installed back in 1999 by the crimean tatar national movement, and thus the crimean tatars constantly. came and ticketed, so i think they didn't do it right away so as not to upset the population, and they waited for a time

when, well, let's say, it will be more after the population is more pressed, but i think , that we will still return to this case, and after we collect a more complete information, we will provide what and how to do it. in order for this monument to return to the city after all, so we will talk about it later in other programs, thank you, iskender borii, the chairman of the board of the crimean tatar resource center, was on the air of the beraber program, together in ukrainian together, from the project, crimean tatar by the atp tv channel, well, we will meet with you next week, don't switch, stay with us in korshkend, class.

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