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our conversation ivan varchenko, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and an expert on national security issues. mr. ivan, welcome to our airwaves, nice to see you, have a good day. good afternoon, glory to ukraine, gerava, so let's start with what is most important for us, because here for half a week, they are discussing whether us president joe biden spoke correctly or incorrectly about the nato perspective, it is recorded in the constitution of ukraine, but let's see what is going on... and the procedures are ongoing, nato plans to create a new position of special envoy in ukraine, what should he do and whether it's good? well, it's certainly better than nothing, you know, i've already looked at the comments of a little bit of these representatives of the western world, who say what is the solution in order to still show her a step forward and to some, some extent to save. dynamics, but of course

after the vilnius summit, it was already clear last year that it is unlikely that ukraine will receive an invitation to nato, it was important to preserve the positions we have, and to expand these opportunities, well, the expansion of such additional opportunities is precisely what our partners see in the form of this special commissioner, and i think that it will be, in addition, such an informal link that will allow to make decisions in the interests of ukraine sooner, well, for example, on the next platform where to gather, on the next problematic issue that needs to be to discuss, i hope that this will speed up the dialogue, make it more meaningful, because this practice of special commissioners, whether in the united nations or in nato, it is rather... positive, because it allows

to include again, in addition to formal , including informal, correspondingly much faster elements of decision-making, so i hope that this will be some such additional, minimal, but step. what functions should such a special envoy have? we remember that about a year ago, maybe a little less, pritzker pennies appeared, but it was from the united states of america, specifically, was not represented by nato. here we have applications that... this will be the coordination of ukraine's work with nato, but we don't have the details, maybe you are a function that says something, it is very important and is stimulated, let's know, after each such summit, we are waiting for a communique in order to understand, after all , what steps we are taking for the next year, what prospects, what conclusions we are summing up from the previous year, i understand that last year gave absolutely clear positions

of the north atlantic alliance in relation to russia, regarding russia's allies, regarding russia's potential allies in the form of china, and gave a clear understanding of his support for ukraine, although, as we remember, expectations were raised at the time, we hoped that decisions would be made, or rather, we assumed, let's say, that decisions could be any wider, the steps are wide. wider for the meeting with ukraine, but we had what we have now, what can this envoy , the authorized person, do we will have the opportunity to see what exactly this envoy will be doing, and of course, a lot depends on what name will be specifically named and... i don't know, i

haven't seen who exactly this permanent representative will be, and then, depending on the a experience, b energy of this ambassador and... it is clear that from, including his position regarding ukraine and its future, it will be possible to predict what exactly he will do, in what way? i think that today the mandate will be quite broad and framework within which, as they say, we have god with him or stoltenberg with that special representative, we'll see, we'll figure it out when he appears, but it's more interesting that it's bloomberg who writes that jan stoltenberg is abandoning the idea of ​​a fund for... 100 billion dollars for ukraine, and here i want to understand, and why is he refusing, because of the position of well-known democratic nativists and all the orbans and szijártó and hungary, or some other reason, that suddenly a good idea, even for a round sum, suddenly won’t work, and

can he somehow to wring out so that the bad will come out for the better, because he already has new ones ideas we know are currently begging to be saved. contributions in order to find out the situation, he goes on to say that it may still be possible to oblige all the allies to spend equally huge sums to help ukraine, and everything that jen stoltenberg says is all great, that he says that it is necessary to maintain the position of allies, it is necessary to find opportunities to collect additional money, i hope that he will act in this direction, as systematically and persistently as he has acted up to now. and as for giving up further talk of 100 billions, i think we also have to thank for this, the fact that the western world is quite rational and able to explain and tell quite quickly that this is how we actually got out of

certain illusions, and now we take more into account the reality that is being formed, and we say about the real 43 billion, and not about the illusory 100 mi. which may prevent us from moving towards real money, and of course, he meant the position of hungary and the position of slovakia and a number of those conflicting and debatable things that today, regarding the pace of aid, regarding the volume of aid are heard from other nato countries, and we understand that such a rational position is more honest than continuing to be a prisoner of those prospects that... will not actually be implemented, there is another question on the table, whether to wait for danger from belarus, they are already they behaved badly more than once, to put it mildly, but now they are watching how new, large hangars are being built in osipovichi, and there is an assumption that this is for

iskander, that is, there is satellite data that confirms that something and something serious is being built in belarus, it will be russian or that some metalwork? will be handed over to belarusians? one must constantly expect danger from belarus, i am answering the specific question you asked: one must constantly understand that belarus is a vassal, a satellite of russia, and under certain conditions and circumstances it is capable of openly opposing ukraine. however, i believe that these specific conditions and circumstances can only be unconditional and undeniable successes of russia in ukrainian. fronts, when to imagine the situation that russia was moving at the pace at which they like to speak in their own words on tv channels, and belarus would have seen it, then it tried to take a place in the first rows with a red flag, but since russia tends

to catch scumbags every day, it receives serious resistance that does not allow it to be implemented. none of their strategic plans in ukraine, then belarus will naturally stand with their hands and feet against entering into an open war, although they will naturally support russia unconditionally in words. ugh. mr. ivan, thank you for your answers and clarifications. ivan varchenko was with us, a serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine and national security expert. with that , we are going to take a short break, but we will continue to talk about this, by the way, about the same russia, which has already sent its warships closer to cuba, somewhere before the 12th , they should sail there and enter the bays , what will happen, we will ask our next guest, are you thinking about a new mattress, but this is what

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for atvs for the 93rd brigade of the cold ravine of the direction of the times of the ravine. and we are already in touch with hanna govkom, people's deputy of the eighth convocation, head of the verkhovna rada's committee on foreign affairs of the same convocation and head of the board of the ngo network for the protection of national interests. ms hanna, thank you for joining our broadcast. good day. good day, i congratulate everyone who is watching us, and we announced it right away, because we want to ask about it to cuba, and some such déjà vu arises with the caribbean crisis and with those threats, why do they do this, why do they send now ships there, conduct some maneuvers there, training for 3-9 countries and threaten, everything can be done? well, actually, we understand that the goal of the ... aggressor state is to have direct

communication with the united states of america because they want to redistribute the world, the new yalta, and they are raising the stakes and trying to show that they are not ready to talk with ukraine, because it is the superpowers, which for some reason the russian federation considers itself, they should, as they say, decide the fate of the world, and that is why the kremlin wants to raise the stakes . considering the fact that in the united states of america the presidential campaign and politically there are a lot of sensitive issues related to security, and therefore looking for new, say... topics where they can draw attention and interfere with some progressive things related to providing help ukraine to defeat the aggressor inside the country, but the terrorist state definitely wants to be seen as a super power that has nuclear weapons, that can

blackmail with these weapons, and that, as they say, they say, we can repeat, yes, but here it can. .. repeat somehow it looks like a pitiful simile, as khrushchev would say, waving his sword and shouting kuskin's mother, well, first of all, it's not the wrong volumes, the wrong technology, the wrong time to play out the caribbean crisis, well, it's in well, i don't know, it's funny enough, at least for the pentagon, they know exactly what they're dealing with come in and how safe it is, dangerous, in a word, looks more like a parody. well, you know, when there would be an official message at first that the aggressor state wants to change the borders, maritime borders in the baltic sea, encroaching on the territorial waters of finland and lithuania, and then this message disappeared, that is, we see now a lot of different ones, you can call

them parodies, you can raise the stakes, blackmail from nuclear blackmail and so on, but... obviously, someone will say that these are convulsions, because the russian federation failed in 11 years, nor to convince ukraine, to return it to the sphere of influence, because we thank our armed forces, every defender who fights every day and makes every effort for ukrainian victory. ms. hanna, we ask you to comment on this story from yesterday, when president biden... apologized to president zelensky for the fact that there was a delay of this six months in the provision of weapons, and at the same time he said about a new package, as if he added a bonus to the apology , an important package, we don't talk about it, but the very fact of how it all happened, uh, what are you talking about you think, that's what this shows, is there really an understanding, or should it just be said,

well, in fact, it's a political game, and it's a campaign, because the president of the united states... immediately pointed out why there was a delay, actually throwing a stone in the garden of the congress and republican party, that is why, if the us president apologized for the fact that the united states of america, together with britain and other countries , allowed genocide, after eight years of failed attempts at a political and diplomatic settlement, it would be absolutely serious. and made an effort to ensure that ukraine did everything this year to liberate crimea, provided us with the necessary number of attack guns, tomahawks, and convinced scholz with the taurus, then these apologies, they would be perceived as serious in terms of determination to defeat the aggressor state, and so i i consider this simply as

part of playing on the domestic american audience, although in fact it is very ... important that there is this awareness, because the delay in american aid, i was two weeks ago at the front, i can say that the delay has resulted in great irreparable human losses, on the advance of the enemy in some directions, and so on the one hand it is important that there is this awareness, but i would like to see a clear strategy for approaching victory, and for biden to say that the united states of america, those the very statements that biden made on taiwan... are ready to provide ukraine with the most modern weapons and are ready to protect every millimeter of ukrainian land, as he said about nato, saying, every inch of nato should be protected, that every millimeter of the countries nato must be protected, that's why i really want that now, when we see that the peace summit is being prepared, as the axis of evil, the russian federation, china, and

they are trying to get there, in addition to the northern ... korea, iran, other countries of the global cock, like brazil, who have their own vision, negotiations, and in fact the surrender of ukraine, we want the united states of america to finally provide the weapons that are needed to defeat the enemy, the hellish sanctions that were promised, and in fact complete economic isolation, because the confiscation assets are only part of the campaign, as go bankrupt. russia, that's why we want, because i remember biden from the 15th year, who said that if russia does not comply with the minsk agreements, then we will apply such sanctions that the russian economy... will suffer losses, so now is the time to understand what mistakes were made by the west by allowing, after eight years of political and diplomatic settlement, a full-scale invasion that

became genocide, and when finally the usa recognizes the russian federation as a terrorist state, because it is the state debt office that blocks the recognition of this, when they recognize russian aggression as genocide, like this there was a famine, then these apologies. will make sense, like, say, the redemption of certain things, well, ukraine also needs to draw conclusions as to why we allowed two genocides over the course of a century, here i also wanted ukrainian society to get rid of electoral infantility, to take more responsibility, but that's why i somewhere i appreciate this this this is an apology, ms. hanna, you have already given some explanations in the new official language of international communication in ukraine, we have introduced english. as they say, your rights, i will also teach you a little english, the times magazine, you know, it is somewhat symbolic, it can even remove the chief if

he writes something wise there, you know, and send it to deep britain, you can do whatever you want, and in this case, we read in english lessons fresh, since yesterday, the whole world is reading this, including those who met with zelensky on the fields. celebration in france, and it says: a nato airbase in belgium, celebrated his greatest achievement by raising five of ukrainian's new f-16 pilots. the article begins with that greetings from zelensky and our pilots about the f-16. and then, then everything is like in a good movie on netflix. you can hear the horrors, such a horror climbs out from behind the shoulders, does not want

to shine on the cameras, but controls everything possible. this is how the article about the supreme fair of ukraine, may his name be sanctified, begins. here it is. and in this case, it is no longer hidden, and it is written here how access is controlled. information to the president, even at the level of communication with the ambassadors of the big seven. in a word, thoroughly, an article that will definitely be read and biden, and macron, and everyone else. and what is the consequence? well, in fact, everyone has long been well aware of yermak's destructive influence on president zelenskyi, about the monopoly that yermak established on access to the body. look at... more than two years of full-scale invasion, there was not a single meeting between the president of ukraine with representatives of civil society or with the democratic opposition, there is no

dialogue at all on how to respond to those challenges, but now we have a very destroyed energy system, instead , to convene in the government powerful experts, like anatoliy tkachuk, and many others began to talk about how to interact with communities and our citizens. there is no preparation for winter at all, that is , professional people have pushed them somewhere on the margins of priority issues, how to solve them in the country. yermak does not allow it, he tries to control everything, look at what is happening with the international community, even the preparation of the peace summit, when we give european security to the countries of the global south and try to gather and pr councils of more than 100 representatives of countries, we chase in quantity, instead of looking for... more weapons for the country, and this is not the global south, this is a coalition of the determined, this is the military missions in ukraine that macron talked about, and

that's why i have a question, and i'm already hearing a lot about that , that there are already some channels of communication with the russian federation, for which yarmak is also responsible, and therefore it is a very dangerous game when our diplomacy becomes such yermakization from the outside. politics, domestic, and the partners have known about this for a long time, but the president, unfortunately, does not have the political will or understanding why two managers, five managers cannot manage the state, because unfortunately, for more than the second year of a full-scale invasion, we have not become closer to victory, we have suffered incredible losses, here and now there are also issues of the economy, and issues of energy, preparation for winter, and issues of mobilization the world if representatives of the verkhovna rada from the democratic opposition, civil society, those who already have a reputation abroad are not included, there is a feeling that someone has this...

monopoly of access to the president is like a way of usurping power and pushing us to authoritarianism, this will not happen, because we will never allow this, and the western partners understand this, i really hope that they have the leverage and the conviction of the president, because yaermak is trying to show the west that without him the president will not be able to do anything, nothing will be sanctified, but in this case let's go back to the most sensitive dialogue, it's about the fact that there are western weapons, and there is this option, we move with small steps by a millimeter, half a cone, slap, but so far, but unexpectedly , unexpectedly, the republicans say, let's play hard, let's lift all the bans, even ata-kams, let them fly where they can fly as much as possible, in a word, these are political technologists trolling each other, what are

trump's blows now, and... biden is careful, is this part of this movement is the realization, little by little, that the aggressor can shoot where he wants and as much as he wants, while the victim has the right to defend himself only at military objects and only occasionally, we have literally 2.5 minutes, mrs. hanna, well in fact, a turning point occurred in the awareness of our strategic partners, such as the usa, thanks to the pressure of european partners, and they gave permission to use their weapons in the framework of self-defense and in order to destroy russian military targets, so everyone already understands that without the victory of ukraine, scaling war on the european continent and in the future with consequences for the indo-pacific region, we have already seen chaos in the middle east, that is why there is a counterattack, that is why we need to strengthen this coalition of the determined and bring it closer to... our

victory, and not to dance in front of the global south, where we do not have those connections, there was no training, and where we now need to focus on those priorities, weapons, complete economic isolation and bankruptcy of the russian economy, the military contingent of our partners from the coalition of determined, and within the country, it is not really about tightening the nuts, but a dialogue so that there are no such ipso who... despair, do not believe in victory, and someone wants to turn us from the nation of heroes into a country of fugitives and evaders, and this is also ipso technology for increasing despair. ugh. your predictions, ms. hanna, literally 30 seconds more, but when all these restrictions and red lines appear somewhere, how much more time do they need? well, actually, we need to work more efficiently. there is not so much

time passing here. how much is needed for the president to finally collect inside the country, and there are, people who also ask for weapons and sanctions cannot travel in parallel, but there is no communication inside ukraine, that is, we understand what russia's strategy is, to hit the gas pipelines storages, and not only for gas production or heating plants, they they want a cold plague, they want a cholera plague, when various sewers will not work, and there will be no water supply, therefore... we need to warn with a more powerful voice of the west about the consequences that will come, remind us about the tiling and about other things, and for this, there must be systematic work, someone has this feeling: either they are preparing for the negotiations, after the negotiations they want elections or some other things, or the authors are building authoritarianism, here it is so impossible to win the war without clearing ukraine of the fifth column of russian agents, no forbidding

moscow patriarchate. telegram channels and all that, like tentacles of the enemy, prevent us from winning. important words, you say, mrs. hanna, thank you for them. thank you for participating in our broadcast. hanna gobko, people's deputy of the 8th convocation and now the head of the board of the herzeh for the protection of national interests ans. and now the news time is 15:00 and iryna koval already knows about the most important thing at the moment and is ready to share this information with all of us. we pass the floor to irina. oksana, thank you, well, i will tell you in a moment about the situation in different regions of our country. and in addition, the potential of the ukrainian military industrial complex was discussed for the first time in washington, so you will learn more about everything in the issue.