a lot of people are right, i don't know the statistics that were done or not done in terms of percentages, percentages, how many people were in favor, how many were against, how many abstained, but there is an opinion that of course it is necessary to change the political structure and the first leaders in the country of our country, due to the fact that a person who sits in his place for a very long time, you understand, he gets used to this, this, this, and that's all that... people used to say, you know what war, you follow what is happening in israel, before the war there were a lot of protests about changing the judicial reform, it is necessary to make reforms in the court, due to the fact that our supreme court says one thing, and the politicians say that you have no right over us, there we will do what we want, that is, this is all a kind of misunderstanding , a misunderstanding, a misunderstanding led to the fact that this happened and... of course, ordinary citizens

absolutely want a change in this structure, a change in the political one, a change, maybe some, and the ministers of defense too, we are not talking about the army itself, but but about the people who manage it, i think that they are ordinary citizens they are very much counting on it, that eventually it will happen, it will change, although i will tell you, before the war, we had that netanyahu went there for some... six months or so , new people came, but nothing to them failed to do, we again returned to where we started, because of who knows what will happen now, the war, as they say, it changes a little both views and thoughts, and all relations, all relations between them there, there is happening, we do not know what is happening in them behind the scenes, because of that the community is ready to that, and intends that there will be... changes, and this

will lead to the fact that such an october 7 will never happen again in israel. thank you very much, svitlana glaz, journalist from israel, thank you very much, ms. svitlana, for being with us, i would. the only thing i would add from myself at the end, i would say that you know, i don't know how much netanyahu is fed up with you, there in israel, i, my, my career began specifically on television, i worked on the radio, in newspapers but television started when tetanyahu became prime minister for the first time in the mid-90s, and i, you know, i have continued to work for 10 years, 20 years, 30 years, and now i invited ms. svitlana, and we continue to talk, but netanyahu, then he was young, unknown to anyone, then such old people, they remembered the war of 67, 73 hey, he appears here, he's so lively, i think, damn, the class is interesting, i

told this and continue to tell it like crazy , mr. mykola, i too have lived and worked in israel for many years profession, and for many years i have been saying all the time: netaniy, netaniy, netaniy, netaniego, i would also like to say another last name, but well, you see, it is what it is. thank you very much, mrs. svitlana, now the advertisement, then we will talk about the anniversary of the explosion on kokhovskaya. hydroelectric power station, we will talk with mr. maksym soroka, who is an expert on environmental safety, an associate professor at the ukrainian state university of science and technology, but only after advertising, like this: oh, there are no potatoes, you will bring them, already, asshina, something has caught, i remind you, have it with a bone dr. tice and again. before work ointment with

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a small plot at the end, but now we are about ecology, an expert on environmental safety, an associate professor of the ukrainian state university of science and technologies maksym soroka will be with us, good health mr. maksym, thank you. found it's time for us, i inform our viewers that mr. maksym, during the third, fourth, 5th and 6th of june, was on an expedition in zaporizhzhia and other cities of kakhovka, near kakhovka, we celebrate the sad date, the first anniversary of the disaster, well, it was not man-made a catastrophe, it was a catastrophe caused by russian barbarians, and this is what you saw there, mr. maxim, and i have such a broad question, my father was involved with ecology, he always said that nature will fix everything anyway, and he says, there is no need to worry even about chernobyl, and he is there traveled very often, and i took me a couple of times, and he said, well, it will be in 10 years, in 20, in 30,

it will still come somewhere to some kind of norm, because nature is stronger than man under all conditions, and what do you say about on the occasion of this in zaporizhzhia , what is happening there and does nature restore its dominance there, or does man still continue to think that he is stronger than nature? good evening, your father was absolutely right, nature really knows best and it knows how to recover, the point is, in what condition will it recover and is it really new the ecosystem will be suitable both for... human consumption and for human habitation, therefore nature always wins, another question is at what cost for the socio-economic development of mankind, it was a wonderful and interesting expedition, and very, very rich, a large number of results, and it should be noted that

the ecosystem of the drained bottom of the kakhovsky reservoir, it is really in a state of natural succession, yes restoration, explosion, now you can see... these thickets of verbolos, as well as poplar thickets, really visually the kakhovsky sea has turned into green sea. another issue is that the drop in the level of reservoirs, respectively, led to other complex processes that are already taking place in the ecosystem, this is soil erosion, you could see it now in the picture, and this is also drying. restoration of rivers, secondary pollution and others. of the main results that we were able to confirm, it is first of all that the ecosystem is indeed in the process of self-recovery, which is wonderful. on the other hand, the desalination of residual waters in the floodplains

of the kushugum river and the konga konka river, and in there is very, very little water left in the floodplains of the reservoir itself. the water level is not... high, this water is already fully heated and there are risks of fish fatigue. on the other hand , it is positive that the rivers have started to renew themselves. we have recorded more than 20 new sources. which were not, i.e. the underground waters began to renew, the expedition also confirmed that the zaporizhzhia mokra small river is being renewed in a state of renewal, it used to be called the moka moskovka, now it is just a wet river, on the other hand there are also negative phenomena, the content of nitrogen compounds is gradually increasing, and exactly if last year, we recorded in previous expeditions that this ammonium is dissolved, and now due to the continuation of these decay processes. all that was at the bottom, a large amount of nitrites are released into the water, there is also not enough

of this water to dilute the return water after treatment at the aeration stations, agglomeration of the city of zaporizhia, and this leads us to a strong restriction of the population to use water resources, among the more positive points, that the local authorities really did their homework for this fall and winter, and the problem drinking water supply in such villages as koshugu, mosaterivka, malokaterinivka was partially solved, we took samples and the results of the analysis showed that there are problems with organolactic properties, that is, it does not taste very well, but from the point of view of chemical, sanitary and chemical safety, it does not pose a threat, and the situation has improved, on the other hand, people have lost water in their wells. if we are discussing the kushugum community, the malokateriniv community, and because of

this people also limited the cultivation of agricultural products, then you can see, it's just that people just made a garden for themselves on a renewed day, it's closer to the water, and why not, that is, there is a huge spectrum of both social and ecological problems, and like nature itself, nature has no... good , not bad, it is devoid of such categories, all this happens at the same time, and then how people live in new realities is a big question, and what would you advise, mr. maksym, if president zelensky calls you and asks, what to do, and on the one hand, yes there are troubles, there are problems, on the other hand there are advantages, then what to restore the kakhov sea again. what happened, and then everyone has water, well, there are advantages and disadvantages, both in

the option of doing nothing, and in the option that let's restore this gas and do something, that, that , as it was until last year, for you to advise, what would you say, a difficult question, thank god, i am not in the place of the president, because i would not know how i would have solved this issue, let's be honest, we cannot now restore the reservoir with for objective reasons and... as in the place of restoration, active activities are conducted hostilities, on the other hand, we need to restore the supply of fresh drinking water in this region, since the livelihood of almost 2 million people is connected to it, or we have to find alternative sources of water, and if from the advice, these advice have not changed since expedition we conducted in the fall, we advised the local self-government bodies, if we are talking about zaporizhzhia, to already modernize the aeration station, because... this will become a big problem in 10 years, and for small communities below balabino, so that the communities drill

wells, because zaporizhzhia, after all, it is it is risky to draw water for the population from such, well, such a long distance, that is , these are reactionary, reactionary, er, such recommendations as an ecologist, i do not want to restore, i will tell you honestly, i am against the restoration of the kahovsky reservoir as an ecologist, but i am considering it. . all 17 components of sustainable development, i understand that we have to restore this reservoir at least to some extent, so we desperately need a supply of water here, at least seven cubic meters. when you say drilling, wells, that is, we know, experts know that there is water, and if we drill there for 50 or there for 70, i don't know how much for 25 m. then you can get water and this water will help people, well, to have crops, to drink, and to cook

food and so on and so on. and yes, the hydrogeological structure of this territory is very specific, and small wells up to 80 m, there is water there, but it is salty. if we are talking about the drinking water supply of the population itself, then we are discussing wells that interfere with the ground water. period it will be a depth of more than 300 m for this area, and accordingly none, none of the representatives the population or population groups and micro-communities will not be able to provide such wells. work, because it is very, very expensive. and we talked to the residents of malokaterinivski dachas, last year they built small wells of 15-20 m. and the analysis will show that it is not that you can't drink this water, you can't even water it. however , there is this water in the deeper horizons, but this water can be

used only for drinking and household needs. everyone should understand what to irrigate for agriculture. production of such stock there is simply no water, groundwater in this region, that is, this problem can only be solved for the population, for humanitarian water supply, and if the kakhov reservoir is not restored, or some of its boundaries are new, then irrigated agriculture can be forgotten in this region, and directly now we have recorded several such cases, i understand local farmers who make these illegal home-made some... water intake structures and take water from the residual waters of the kakhovsky reservoir, and we still recommended them to stop it to do, since there is very, very little water, very little water left, and if they take it away, the problem will be much worse than it is now, that is, for the population, for the population, for the economic and domestic

needs of natural water there is, they are underground waters , this volume is, however, about irrigated agriculture. about industrial purposes, yes, i want to remind you that fresh water is needed even for baking bread, not only for some heavy industry, but there is no such water in the region, and historically there was not, let's think, imagine an ideal world, it is difficult, especially under ukraine, especially during the war in ukraine, an ideal world, well, it is very difficult to imagine, but, let's imagine, there are options, to restore... the kokhov sea, maybe by changing it, how to say, drawings, outlines, and thus restore irrigation, restore water supply, that is, restore life in those regions, well, obviously for some big money, but can we imagine such an ideal world? yes, even last

year a government commission, and in particular it was... they proposed a good technical solution, it is very expensive and very difficult, from the point of view of construction works, but it allows to limit, separate the lower floodplains, thus their main part of the so-called not a large meadow, but large thickets, it must be called, to protect them from further flooding, but to ensure these 7-10 cubic kilometers. water and restore navigation and water intake for industrial and household needs, however, it is very expensive, it will be many tens of times more expensive than simply restoring water reservoirs, and it will be impossible to do this until there is a complete de-occupation of the entire territory of the zaporizhzhia region, but there is such a plan, and the government itself

is considering such a development scenario. events, but in the end they will make decisions with the technical and economic feasibility stage, which everyone forgets about, but now the government is preparing for this stage, when everyone will be weighed, all pros and cons will be weighed, and, as they say, the criteria it will be very simple, the most universal, how much it will cost and what will be the consequences of everything this, let's see what the designers will come up with, however, it is possible, technically it is... maybe, or maybe the last question is more philosophical, mr. maxim, it is used quite often lately, recently, ecocite, i sit and think, i am not a great specialist, i am generally, you know, like any normal journalist, he is so superficial, he knows something there, but he does not dig into the depths, well

, that is the profession, but when they tell me genocide, i know that it is death, it is connected with... with the fact that a person or people lived, and then they were killed, or in some other way, there, but when okotsi, this, this is really life and death, well, you describe the situation yourself, yes, it’s difficult here, it’s difficult here, it’s not right here, it’s bad here, here it is, but people don’t die, so it’s not ecocide, it means, well ecological problem, ecological shortage, ecological crisis, ecological there, well, semi-catastrophe... but it does not lead or leads to mortal danger, that's my question, the concept of ecocide, like genocide. are based not on death, but on the fact that something cannot be recreated. genocide, when a group is specifically exterminated in such a way that it is not will be able to recover. the terrorist attack and war crime

against the kokhov hpp is indeed a fact of ecocide, as it is a deliberate action against the very, very sustainable development of a huge number of territories and their restoration. yes, we can see how the square is being restored. of the former kakhov reservoir itself, and we do not pay attention to other territories and problems. let's look at it this way: nikopol region, margansiv region, tomakiv region, even kryvyi rih, even the ingulets river, they have already suffered, and are, for example, in the ingulets river , its ecological condition is in question, precisely because that there is no fresh water to wash it. the city of kryvyi rih, for years to come, the population will be forced to drink water of poor quality, about nikopel region, markoniv region, tomakiv region, i am generally silent, due to the lack of water, farmers are forced to irrigate the land with salty

water from shallow wells, which poisons the black soil, and in the perspective of 20-30 years, they will lose their fertile capacity, this is what ecocide is all about, which destroys the sustainable development of everything. of this territory, and i have zaporizhzhya, dnipropetrovsk, and kherson regions in mind, and sustainable development is not only about nature, ecocide is about sustainable development, and sustainable development is 17 components, there is sanitation, and education, and industry, and climate change and biodiversity and water resources, so this fact is classified as a crime of ecocide, it has already been proven, another question is how we will use, you know, if earlier nature adapted to us, now, due to the fact that we cannot objectively and quickly fix this problem, we have to somehow adapt

to the renewal of nature, and if not will be, i want to remind you, if it is not restored kokhov reservoir and we will not find a solution for humanitarian water supply, we have to reduce the population in these three regions by almost two. thank you, a very bad prospect, but we hope for scientists, maybe ukraine will finally start valuing its scientists, it would be very useful. maksym soroka, expert on environmental safety, associate professor of the ukrainian state university of science and technology, was in touch with us. thanks to mr. maksym, now we have a small story, just about switzerland, where on june 15 and 16 to hold a peace summit, and which is actually convened by ukraine. and this is an important moment, we will observe, we will monitor all this, but now let's listen to diplomats, analysts in our next story.

bürgenstock, one of the most picturesque swiss mountains near lake lucerne. magnificent views, fresh alpine air and a very expensive resort hotel, which has more than once become a negotiating platform for resolving conflicts. it will be held here next weekend. the peace summit is a ukrainian initiative that was born in the fall of 2022. then, during the g20 summit in indonesia, president zelensky presented his peace formula: 10 points to end the war. the key one is that russia should withdraw its troops from all ukrainian territories, including crimea and donbas. in fact, this is the formula for ukrainian victory. and for a year and a half , ukraine has been trying to enlist the world's support for it. the west generally recognized zelensky's plan as the only fair way to end the war, but with the countries of the so -called global south, things are much more difficult.

until the last, kyiv hoped that china will join the meeting in the swiss alps, because it is almost the only country that has influence on putin. however, two weeks before the meeting, beijing refused to participate in it. arrangements for a meeting in switzerland. still fall far short of china's demands and the general expectations of the international community, which makes it difficult for china to participate in it. we have always insisted on participation in the peace summit of both russia and ukraine, as well as on the discussion of all peace proposals on a fair and equal basis. otherwise, it will be difficult for china to play back essential role in restoring peace. china's refusal was unfortunate news for ukraine. especially since representatives of beijing last year in august took part in a preparatory meeting in jeddah in saudi arabia. according to the authoritative british edition of the financial times, during his may visit to beijing, putin personally asked the chinese leader

xi jinping. foam to ignore the summit. after china's final decision, a number of other countries followed suit, including brazil, saudi arabia, and south africa. in president zelenskyy, this caused a similar no only disappointment, but also irritation. the united states of america has contacts with some countries where they are encouraged to participate in the peace summit. china, unfortunately, works on the contrary today. over the countries not coming to the peace summit. there is a big difference between these two positions. as of the beginning of june, about 110 countries have confirmed their participation in the summit. western countries will be represented at the highest level. in particular, german chancellor olaf scholz and french president emmanuel macron should come to switzerland. the usa will be represented by the vice president kamala harris and biden's national security advisor

jake sullivan. but the level is representative. countries of the global south that decided to attend the summit will be much lower. in particular, india will be represented by the secretary of foreign affairs or the deputy national security adviser, the indian press reports. and even for the sake of such a result, ukraine had to make concessions and present only three points from zelenskyi's formula for discussion. these are food and nuclear security, as well as the issue of prisoner exchange and the return of illegally deported ukrainian children. order german chancellor olaf scholz said on the eve of the summit that the agenda is as narrow as possible in order to reach at least some kind of agreement. there will be no peace talks, we are still far from that, as long as russia believes it can achieve its goals on the battlefield, it is about engaging countries from around the world to let moscow know that international law and the un charter continue

to apply, russia must . withdraw their troops from ukraine. concerns about the possible results of the summit were also intensified by the european pravda publication. it claims that it has read the previous communique of the meeting, which seems to say that its participants are based not only on the ukrainian peace formula, but also on other peace proposals. that is, the so -called peace plan of china, supported by moscow, which proposes to freeze the conflict along the front line, is essentially legalized. alarming is also added by bloomberg's information that after the summit in switzerland, the eu is apparently planning to organize another one in saudi arabia in the fall and this time invite russia to the meeting. in interview by frankfurter alamaig, this was indirectly confirmed by viola amhert, the president of switzerland, the host country of the first summit. with the help of this conference , we want to create a dialogue platform where, as

a first step, we will discuss how to achieve peace in ukraine. it is clear to us that we will not sign a peace agreement based on the results of the conference. for peace, both sides must be at the negotiating table. at the moment it seems impossible. russia could participate in a possible next conference. the idea of ​​the summit, when it was just born in the heads of ukrainian diplomats was to agree on the terms of ending the war without russia and only then to put pressure on the aggressor with a common position of the world. but if the meeting is in switzerland. will be limited to only three non -key points, but will end with ambiguous formulations, then it will not be easy to do this. the withdrawal of russian troops from ukrainian territory, the payment of reparations, and the restoration of international law, all of this was carried out within the framework of the meeting in bürgenstock, which means that it is unlikely to significantly bring ukraine closer to a just peace.

greetings, friends, saturday political club, andriy smoliy and vitaly portnikov, are on the air, as usual, on saturdays we are live and discuss all the most important events of this week in ukraine and the world. well, if we talk about this week, then it was similarly, so full. it has already begun, one might say international, a big european program, because the president of the united states joe biden in europe has already met in paris with volodymyr zelenskyi, and the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi in europe, this is the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of the landing allies in normandy, this operation overlord, and then there will be a big group meeting.