greetings, friends, saturday political club, andriy smoliy and vitaly portnikov, are on the air, as usual on saturdays, we are live and discuss all the most important events of this week in ukraine and the world. well, if we talk about this week, then it was... logically, it was so full, you can say that the international program has already begun, and it is a big european program, because the president of the united states, joe biden, has already met in paris with volodymyr zelenskyi and the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, in europe. in europe this is the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of the landing allies in normandy this operation overlord and then there will be a big group meeting. we're in

brindisi in switzerland in italy, and then there's the peace summit in switzerland, so it's such a, i would say, very busy international, i'd say month, which, by the way, you can say that by and large it is, one way or another is also accompanied by a russian alternative agenda, the international economic forum in st. petersburg, where vladimir putin's benefice. i haven't talked so much in a long time, including about ukraine, and many meetings, many meetings, in that regard including zelenskyi with the leaders of european states, of course the j7 summit is also being prepared, the peace summit is also being prepared, which will also take place, in fact, next week, that is , a lot of events are being prepared, those events that at least took place this week... they are like this

i am already gradually approaching the fact that there will be very important key events next week, well, the same in ukraine, electricity blackouts, people have been discussing all these things since monday, we see that the occupiers continue to attack ukraine on a large scale, and ukrainian energy facilities, and ukrainian fuel facilities. sector, that is , the war continues, the war is also on the territory of ukraine, russian aggression, and of course, the hybrid war of russia against ukraine and against the civilized world on the international arena, that is why all the events that mr. vitaliy just spoke about, and i, about which i am talking about now, they are an integral part of the future that we will have in the coming months, and perhaps will be defined. the future

and for the coming years, well, in any case , we must say that we see that russia is fixated on these ideas of continuing the war, on such a kind of war of attrition, which continues, and now ukraine is joining this war from its side, the fact that today ukrainian drones flew to the mozdok airfield in north ossetia, this can be said to be such a symbolic thing. we will now talk with yuriy fedorenko, the commander of the achilles attack drone battalion of the 92nd separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine. congratulations mr. yuri. "glory to ukraine, glory, so maybe we'll start with the fact that we managed to fly to mozdok with a drone, that's what you think, it's really possible to change the situation with these sorties of migs and other russian aircraft that launch missiles at ukrainian troops and civilian objects of ukraine. this is one of the non-russian attacks on kharkiv and vovchansk..." in

fact, it is not that it has stopped, the ukrainian armed forces are now trying to knock out the rashists from vovchansk. we can see, by the way, that they have actually stopped hitting kharkiv so actively, fortunately, what can this be attributed to now, the fact that we successfully squeeze out the invaders, or some other, maybe there are reasons? for the situation, in my opinion, it is necessary. always look comprehensively. you and i previously discussed that the enemy's goals and objectives remain unchanged in relation to ukraine. complete destruction. accordingly, the enemy is planned in stages. the donetsk-luhansk region continues to be one of the enemy's top priorities. we see the fierce fighting going on now in the direction of chaso yar, in the direction of pokrovsk. why did the enemy start the kharkiv campaign. it was very important for the enemy to stretch our forces and means in the period of time. when the force they

were forced to place powerful brigades on a wide strip and battle lines. for one thing, it was very important for the enemy to see the state of our defensive structures and what kind of combat readiness we have in general. i will tell you absolutely frankly, from today we can analyze what happened. the defense forces defeated the enemy, the enemy really did not have time to complete the assigned task in a timely manner, the defense forces transferred the means to the forces in a timely manner, if we had not defeated him, the success would have been completely different in the kharkiv region, in fact , therefore, one way or another, the kharkiv enemy does not have such a grouping to reach... the city of kharkiv, but in order to replenish losses at those points where he achieved partial success, in order to collect additional shock fists and try to move forward, for this enemy, there is enough strength, means, and the enemy also has enough strength to try to cross the edge of the front in

one more place, either it is sumy, or it is the kharkiv region, it all depends on where the enemy will consider doing it more rationally, our intelligence is not ... a native place, they are clearly aware of how the enemy's personnel moves, what are the approximate threats, what the most difficult directions may be, that is why a set of measures is taken in order to meet the enemy with dignity and give them a firm blow , if we talk about kupyansk, it must be said about this too, the enemy had a plan that they take vavchansk and advance to the rear of our group, in particular at the kupyansk meeting and in parallel, in frontal attacks, move the defense forces as much as possible to the donkey river, but... this plan was not destined to come true, and according to my belief, the enemy will not have further success, at the moment mobilization processes are ongoing in the country, i would not like to yedelize, because there are many excesses of official powers, many shortcomings, shortcomings, calls engineers and many other things, but as long as

the shortcomings are corrected, one way or another, the defense forces receive the necessary amount of replenishment in order to complete the combat brigades and the western equipment that comes to us... wakes up, accordingly, in two to 2.5 months, the defense forces will receive the maximum number of trained personnel, as well as weapons that will come to us as part of the military aid package of the united states of america, as well as other partner countries, and then it will be possible to say with certainty that we will be able to stabilize the situation on a number of priority areas, seize the tactical initiative on our side, when the f-16 aircraft arrive, they will help not only to protect our infrastructure facilities and the civilian population. which terrorizes the enemy at the expense of our drones, missiles, and in addition, we will be able to level the situation that is happening now with the air, that is, reduce the number of guided bombs that hit our positions by shooting down enemy planes. as for the prerequisites, why it became somewhat quieter in

kharkiv oblast from the point of view of the shelling of the city itself, it is due to the fact that ukrainian diplomats were able to achieve that they gave us permission to use... a number of firearms on the territory of the russian federation, which are high-precision, which are now effectively destroying the occupier on its territory. exactly because it is important, it is important to maintain unity within our state, not to quarrel with each other, to analyze in detail the information that is submitted to the public space, to perform one's work qualitatively, at the workplace, to support the defense forces. friends, together we will definitely make it, and i... firmly believe that ukraine will succeed in this war. tell me what you think, but if we talk about possible new directions of attack, do you imagine that some other front will open there, relatively speaking, the kharkiv front will be joined by sumy, will the russians still try to act in some kind of paradigm?

being in the place of the enemy, looking through his eyes, in my mind, i would definitely start a few more directions. let's see how the enemy will act. mr. yuri, what is the current situation in the direction of the temporary yar? such negative news has been appearing for the last day or two, at least just recently, and we also see that there is also information about further pressure on yar times, how the situation is there, and how in this direction it would be possible to... do that, so that the occupiers, well, at least stop, if it is not a question of pushing them away from the city. we talked, in particular, with our international partners, when there is such an opportunity to reach a certain level. i really believe that the interests of ukraine were

betrayed three times in the 14th year, before the start of a full-scale war, and during a long period when we were not provided with weapons for more than seven months, precisely in connection with ... with the fact that in ukraine there was nothing to defend, the enemy was able to achieve the tactical successes in the polybattle that exist today, the enemy understanding that in he has two months left, and ... active actions, when the defense forces will accumulate strength and means for a more powerful countermeasure, now the generals, fulfilling the tasks of the dictator putin, are carrying out tasks forward, forward, forward, as much as possible, despite the loss of personnel equipment , to get a tactical result at will, that's why we can say that in the next one and a half to two months they will be less powerful on the line of battle, but we stand firm, you may have heard all these sayings. of president putin during the st. petersburg economic forum, which shows that he wants such a prolongation of the war. to what extent is it possible

to oppose this tactic of such a long war, advancing on those territories that russia has declared as its own, how to stop these intentions? it was obvious, after the enemy failed, according to his intelligence, that the resistance would not get the result in ukraine that it had set before itself. i think in the first six months a year of full-scale war. the enemy clearly realized that there will be no quick results, it is necessary to press on, work to exhaustion, and now this is happening, they are demobilizing their personnel, preparing, developing their urban-industrial complex , and at the same time using the support of their partners, in particular china, quite powerfully , which is why ukraine must clearly understand that the war, unfortunately, as long as the dictator putin and all the rest of the administration of the russian federation, which supports the occupation policy, by this time we have to... prepare constantly for hostilities, where should it start, in my opinion, the defense lines should be buried

in three echelons, powerful enough for many years to come, and absolutely everything that can be mined has been mined, i am talking now against the regions where there are no hostilities, but we are neighbors either with the russian federation or with belarus, i am talking about those territories which are in non-combat positions in donetsk, luhansk, kherson, and zaporizhzhia regions. and of course, this is constant improvement, modernization of one's own army. now all trends will move in the direction of protecting the life and health of personnel as much as possible. it is difficult, but it can be done fully at war, because our enemy works with everything he has in his arsenal, but one way or another, unmanned systems that are both on the ground and in the air are already today performing tasks that allow us to save the lives of our boys and girls , here... putin in his regular speeches actually threatens the world, the west,

civilized states, with a global catastrophe for permission to strike on their territory, on the territory of the occupier. mr. yuriy, do you think these threats should be accepted, or is it so, another informational, hybrid a scarecrow for the world, which carries, so to speak, no further ones. actions and results? dictator putin can be expected to do anything, but it is highly unlikely that he will use nuclear weapons. regarding, in general, when addressing our international partners, the thesis that we also call to him through the mass media, in particular, the authoritative publications they have, i always say the following thesis: courage equals life, weakness equals death, i will point to a specific one. example, in particular for our citizens, actually look, in order for everyone who is watching us now, we communicate with you in order

for us to appear in this world, one of our parents showed courage, to meet mom or dad in this way, in order to had a relationship, then got married and as a result we were born, if they had been shy, if they had been timid, you and i would not be here now, in the same way the world now needs to show its courage and... which will give birth to life, will make life possible for their, for their nations, because if they surrender the interests of ukraine, and the enemy succeeds here, one way or another our partners will have to enter into a direct battle with the russian federation, it is only a matter of time, and it is not a matter of decades, it is a matter of the near future, that is why i think that the partners will probe in stages, they have given permission to use for a certain distance, then they will give a little more, and then we will be able to fully work on the territory of the russians. federation, in any case , our diplomats are working hard on this and

the military explains clearly enough why it is needed, we have to deal with the causes, not the effects. thank you, thank you, mrs. yuriy. yury fedorenko, the commander of the akhiles strike drone battalion of the 92nd separate assault brigade of the armed forces of ukraine, this brigade is currently in the kharkiv direction, as we understand it, told us about the situation . at the front with the use of drones, and we see that now our troops have managed to stop the enemy's offensive precisely in the kharkiv region, and we will now take a break literally. for a few minutes and stay with us, please, oh, there are no potatoes, you will bring an asin, have a comfrey of dr. tice and get up to work again, comfrey ointment, german ointment for joint and muscle pain,

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we continue. we are coming back. yater, the saturday political club, and now we already have the next guest, igor eisenberg, a professor at new york university in the united states of america. good evening, mr. igor. good evening to you, friends, good evening to all viewers from the press. mr. igor, right away i would like to ask you a question about zelenskyi's actual visit to normandy, about the words. biden actually said that the united states of america, western allies, will not back down from helping our country and even apologized for the post. the delay that ukraine had due to the fact that, in fact, the congress did not vote for assistance to our state for

a long period of time, how do you generally assess this meeting, biden's words, will we really have support? in general, i have a very positive assessment of any meeting between the leaders of ukraine, in particular the president and the west. leaders and with the president of the united states, and the president of france, and the chancellor of germany, with any western leaders, because the west supports ukraine, and without the support of the west it will be very difficult for ukraine, it is impossible to imagine what ukraine will do, so this support important, and it's important to keep in constant contact, regarding the support of the united states, i can say for sure that if the current administration. well, she will be in the white house, at least until january of next year, if she stays, there with possible changes, usually for the second term, then the support of ukraine will be

the same as it is, because for joe biden this is a valuable issue, and he really will never back down from supporting ukraine. and tell me, please, how do you perceive these words of biden in an interview with times times, which are discussed a lot here, that he... i think that the war can end, there will be no occupation of ukraine by russia, but at the same time we can get by without natoization of ukraine, without ukraine's accession to nato, how is that? this is the case, mr. vitaly, when i cannot agree with president biden. and i do not know, why does he think so? well, probably his advisers paint him such a picture, but i can't imagine how ukraine can be safe if it is outside nato. if it does not have security guarantees similar to the fifth article of the washington treaty, because russia will threaten ukraine constantly, at least as long as

there is a regime in power in russia, or any other regime that will carry out the same imperial policy, as conducted by putin's regime, the regime of the kgb, the ussr, let's be frank, there... there are simply no other people in putin's circle, and it seems to me that sooner or later president biden must understand this, because otherwise it will continue constantly, but if it is not a hot war, such a big one as it is now, then it will be constantly, constantly tension in europe, and nato, as an alliance whose task is... to ensure that there is peace in europe, it simply will not be able to fulfill its mission, because there will be no peace in europe unless this war ends, moreover, if it does not end with the defeat

of russia, what if ukraine will be democratic state, part of the western world. i just can't imagine how you can be part of the modern western world in europe if the country is not in nato. well, we have the examples of austria and switzerland, but that's such a separate, separate conversation. switzerland has been neutral for centuries, and austria is neutral simply according to the state treaty that was signed in 1955, thanks to which austria itself, its sovereignty, and soviet troops were withdrawn from its territory. and what is the purpose of such statements, it is some kind of political pass russia, china. is it possible for a certain pass to the voter, why now? after all, before that , biden in principle never expressed himself like that

and always said that, well, in principle, ukraine will be a member of nato, but after the end of the war. what do you think prompted the president of the united states of america to make such statements at this time? mr. andriy, i think that you and i will hear again that ukraine will be a member of nato during from the washington nato summit in july, but again, unfortunately, we will hear what will happen, but when it will happen is unknown, at some point that exactly what prompted biden to say that, i don't think there was any particular reason, well , the vast majority of people in the united states, it's nine out of ten, if against any military, military conflict between the united states and russia, that's for sure, but on the other hand. this is not the topic of the election campaign, well, the election campaign is going on, there is biden, and trump, and other candidates, because congress is going through and making

speeches, this is not the topic of the election. campaign, that is, i also do not think that this is some kind of pass in the direction of russia, because well there are other opportunities to make some proposals to russia, because there are some contacts there at the level of development leaders from time to time, well, biden said so, well, probably because he thinks so for many years, he, he believes that. .. probably ukraine is not ready to be a member of nato there because of one, two, three things, maybe the fact that the united states and its main nato allies, they got burned by hungary, let's say hungary was accepted into nato, plays a role, believing that hungary will be a democracy, the same as other western democracies, what hungary turned out to be, we know at the moment, that is, there may be different factors, but i

definitely do not think that somehow... biden's position regarding the support of ukraine has changed, as you think, regarding this position of support for ukraine, how will this security agreement between ukraine and the united states, which is to be signed during the group of seven meeting in brindisi, look like? i would like it not to be an agreement similar to the ones that ukraine signed with other countries, so that it was an international a treaty that would be ratified by parliaments. unfortunately, i don't think it's going to happen, and if it doesn't, well, this agreement will be in place as long as governments are, will agree that they have to implement it, but i would really like to see the united states take over, at least an obligation to provide weapons to ukraine, so that it would be such constant support with weapons, modern weapons, more modern weapons than are provided now, at least this, so that there would be some... mechanisms

for immediate consultations, if, if there is a threat to the security of ukraine , but ideally would i wanted it to be more than just such an intergovernmental agreement, that it should be an international agreement that would give ukraine a security guarantee similar to the fifth article of the washington treaty on the creation of nato. we will not see this there, unfortunately, but we would very much like to see it. we seem to have a little bit of some communication problems, but i think, mr. igor, i can hear you, i can hear you well, you can hear me, yes, yes, everything is fine, please, mr. igor, regarding the peace summit, questions, the united states of america will represented by vice president kamala harris, mr.

sullivan will also come to this important summit, this is... a normal level, sufficient, representation from the united states of america, and yet, why did the president of the united states choose not to come, and can we assume that that this is a lowering of the level, or is there an absolutely normal representation? i think that's absolutely fine, it's not a demotion , it's a very high level of representation, vice president karis, she represented the united states. say at the recent munich security conferences and that absolutely, absolutely normal, very high level of representation, i think that what will happen on the eve of this summit is much more important, precisely when the g7 summit will be held, to which president zelensky is also invited, and that it is more important to take place there, as well as more important meetings are happening now, the swiss summit in switzerland is important to...