mr. sullivan, this is a normal level, sufficient, representation from the united states of america, and yet, why did the president of the united states decide not to come, and can we consider this a downgrade, or is this an absolutely normal representation? i think it's absolutely normal, it's not a demotion, it's a very high representation, vice president. kykaris, she represented the united states at, say, the recent munich security conferences, and that's absolutely, absolutely normal, a very high level of representation, i think significantly what is more important is what will happen on the eve of this summit, exactly when there will be a summit of the g7, to which president zelensky is also invited, and what is more important to take place there, what more important meetings are taking place now, the swiss summit, in switzerland it is important to... as possible more countries have expressed

support for the ukrainian vision of what peace is, so that as few countries as possible have expressed support for the chinese-russian vision of what it is, and representation at the level of the vice president is normal, because she represents the united states, i spoke at the munich, let's say , security conference and at many other such international events, international conferences, so i thought it was normal. and what do you think, now president biden, we heard this during his european tour, is saying again that russia threatens all of europe, at least this was said just a few minutes ago during his meeting with french president emmanuel macron, as far as europeans can hear such american warnings? mr. vitaly, i think that someone is listening, at least we are from, say, some european ministers of defense that it is necessary to retrain. to

a possible military conflict with russia, that countries should understand that they are in a pre-war state, we already hear such statements, i think that until now even this was not even possible, but more european countries are beginning to understand this, and by the way, if we go back to that interview of joe biden with time magazine, where he said that he, what he, believes that there is a possibility that ukraine will be safe, even if it is not. nato, then biden is there too talked a lot that russia threatens the whole of europe, the security of the whole of europe, that if it is not stopped in ukraine, it will not stop, it will go further, there he even talked much more about this than about the fact that he believes that the security of ukraine is possible outside of nato, and it is good that there we hear from, say, the minister of defense of sweden, even the minister of defense of germany, and what is necessary, we must be on the alert. that

it is necessary to prepare for a possible military conflict, that now we hear it not only from high-ranking officials of the baltic states and poland, but and from high-ranking officials of western european countries. i would like to talk with you a little about the elections in the united states of america, this is an extremely important topic for ukraine, including, of course, and firstly, what can change the course of these elections, and secondly, what are the current rating indicators of both candidates biden and trump, that is, in general, the passage of the election campaign as of now? i would say that the chances of candidates are 50x50, it is absolutely impossible to predict who will win now, you will have to look at the polls of enlightened states and start doing it somewhere from the second half of july, from the end of july, when these polls.

will be conducted separately in their states by many sociological services and often every week or at least once every 10 days, then it will be possible to generalize something, the main topics of the election campaign to date are on the part of biden that the american economy has become more integrated than it was, that it's growing, which is creating... these jobs every month, far more jobs are being created than being lost, that the unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in more than 50 years, well, from trump's side, this is mostly his talk about the fact that he won the election in the 20th year and it was stolen from him, that biden is persecuting him, organizing criminal cases against him, that here he is, he will come , he will take revenge. for himself and for all his

supporters, and so on and so forth, trump has a lot of supporters, at least several tens of millions of people who will not back down from him, and this, this is absolutely obvious, but what maybe what can be a factor in the elections is not the participation in the elections of certain, certain categories of voters, for example, if the war in the middle east continues, and continues as it is now, with israel unable to achieve decisive military success, and the war on... continues, it may lead to the fact that some of the left-wing democratic voters may simply not come to the election to protest that biden supports israel and that he is not doing enough to end the war. similarly, trump has the danger that some republican

voters may not turn out, republicans who do not support him, who nicky haley was supported by, let's say, classic republicans, like us... they are a minority in the republican party, but this is also in both parties, these are from 10 to 15% of dissident voters, so to speak, their non-participation in the elections can contribute to that the opposite party, the candidate from the opposite party will win, that is, it can be very important two very important factors in the election, as for the russian-ukrainian war, i don't see it today being the... election campaign, after that , as the congress passed a law on aid, the debate on this topic, they somehow stopped, these far-right republicans, somehow they stopped, they used to say very often, well, about the same thing that we hear from trump, that

we must, we must there, we must negotiate, we must to stop helping ukraine to go to the talks and so on, we don't hear about that now because that topic... has disappeared, although going back to your first question about the meetings in paris, they were very widely covered in the american media, that is, ukraine again became, well, if it is in the center of attention, then at least seriously such a topic that what is important, because it is important that western society does not think that something something, that everything is over, or that everything is fine there, people simply forget about what is being done and the fact that ukraine has been on the front pages of newspapers and the headlines of tv channels again in recent days, this is important. and tell me, have you heard from putin that he says that he doesn't care whether it

's biden or trump, he said that the other day, do you believe him? of course i don't believe because he, he would, i think, believe very sincerely that, that trump would be... and for him as a useful person in the position of president, well , simply because it was easier for him to do everything that he does, as he , as it was easier for him when trump was the president last time, you see, you and i know very well who putin is, putin, the kgb, who he is, who was the kgb, let's say, when he started working there, he recruited thugs, as, as they were called in the soviet union, that is , he, i think that... in which he is well versed, this is the psychology of people who he needs to, well, recruit, that is, how to talk to trump, he understands well, he well understands his psychological portrait, and he well understands what he needs to be told in order to get from him what, what

putin needs, biden simply he doesn't talk to him and won't talk to him, so putin has nothing to offer putin. for today. thank you, mr. igor, igor eisenburg, professor at new york university. and now our interlocutor is denis kolesnyk, a political commentator from france, and we will talk directly with him about all these, i would said, the stories that now accompany the european tours of the american, ukrainian, and other presidents. congratulations, mr. denis. good day. good day. so, let's talk about normandy and ukraine. in your opinion, france itself can draw parallels between allies. who landed now 80 years ago in normandy, now it is celebrated as an important anniversary, and with what is happening around ukraine, well , the question is very much yours, it is meant to draw parallels where, there are different parties, there are different, let's say, we can talk about

general society, you can talk about the political narrative, you can talk about different parties, who exactly, which exactly, what exactly are the parallels, president biden draws such parallels, mitch mcconnell such parallels. held, he said that normandy was fought back because american politicians in the 1930s were isolationists, and as a result , american soldiers had to liberate europe because they did not react in time to the danger, that says a lot now. okay, well, listen, if you look at america like that, it's still basically the same isolationist in some sense in relation to ukraine, she does not support ukraine in the full sense of the word, maybe you do not share this opinion, but what if we are still talking about the results of this, or rather, the visit of zelenskyi, the visit of ukrainian representatives? to normandy, to france, in general, how would you assess

the positive aspects, are there certain negative aspects, what results, relatively speaking, has ukraine achieved or received, according to these meetings, and what can we expect next? well, watch it if you really want to to say about normandy about the parallels, one thing can be said is that, in any case... russia is more and more seen as a threat to the west, and even if you go to biden's speech, he did not say that you can compare russia with nazi germany, but still russia is a threat, and this threat has already begun to be perceived very strongly in france, it is also perceived in germany, the further we go east to the borders of the russian federation, the more it is perceived as a general a threat to the european union and to the west order as such in general, therefore... of course , aid in ukraine is in the interests of, in fact, any western country, if

you look at it from this angle, if we talk about ukraine, there were a number of announcements, there was even one announcement that was not so unexpected, this is the sending of mirages to ukraine, 20035, a very interesting announcement, which, by the way, correlates with those messages that came from ukraine that there are not enough pilots. pf-16, which, which, who are currently being trained by the west, for example, i know that america did not want to increase the quota for training ukrainian pilots, citing to the fact that there are other countries, yes, that also have to train their pilots, which i think is a little strange as an answer, but less than, less than, uh, for good reason, the russian delegation was not invited at all, although even 10 days ago, it seems there at the end... on may 28

, a russian delegation was invited, not putin, of course, who is wanted, but a russian delegation was invited, then certain changes happened, there were attacks from the russian federation, quite powerful threats, threats towards france, were declarations from the side the representative of the russian embassy, ​​mr. kagonov, who appeared live on the bfm channel, he threatened. also in the russian republic, and this is exactly what changed, and they decided not to invite russia at all, in my opinion, this is positive, although it is also worth noting that russian soldiers still fought against germany together with others, so we can also speak from a positive point of view 650,000,000 million euros that will go to help ukraine, which france has signed two agreements with ukraine, 400 million will go to help, for its development... and the afd fund franc is a french development agency that

will implement certain projects in ukraine, and 250 million will go to support infrastructure projects directly in ukraine and to support energy, and you have heard about the idea that there should be a tripartite summit of the presidents of the united states, france, and ukraine, but it never happened, by the way, no, it didn’t happen, at all, this is a very interesting question actually and... although president zelensky, as far as i know, he met with during amaha beach, so he met, he had a meeting , had the opportunity to talk to various leaders, including biden, but as far as i know, uh, it's, how do you say, i think there's a certain thing that needs to be talked about, it's the peace summit, and there's a rift here, i think , which happened, there is america, which clearly states that... ukraine should not be included in nato, or whether ukraine can be given, let's say, some other guarantees, it is not clear what, although to this day nato is

the only organization that provides real guarantees, although, by the way, which have never been tested, if you look at it from the other side, when it comes to the threat of a nuclear country such as the russian federation, but less less less, no nato country has been attacked by the russian federation, and the position on one side of biden, on the other. the parties, as well as elections in the united states of america, may be making some adjustments and may still not have agreed on certain, let's say, things. the three presidents, moreover, all expected from france, speaking for france, an announcement of sending military personnel to train ukrainian military personnel on the territory of ukraine, but this did not happen took place, and there was a declaration that a coalition should be created, by the way, i

said about this the other day that france was most likely, and it was logical for france not to go alone, but to gather at least a small one. from two or three countries, it is possible to form a franco-german-polish coalition within the framework of the same weimar tripartite and then together send instructors to train ukrainian troops in ukraine, especially since france has declared its desire and readiness to create, train and equip a brigade of 400 ukrainian soldiers , you can say that the french brigade, both on the territory of ukraine. do you think the germans and the french are ready to come here as instructors? and i think not very much, and i think that it does not depend on the wishes of federal chancellor scholz, i think that it depends more on how decisions are made in the same france, germany and poland, we always, when we look at some the decisions that are made in the west, we somehow consider it, you know, as if everyone somehow says everything in unison and as if

the procedures are the same everywhere, in fact it is not so, if france, i will give an example, if france... in, for example, when it provides weapons to ukraine, yes, for this, a simple decision of the president of the republic is enough, for this there is no need for any votes in the parliament, in the national assembly, the president of the republic says, okay, we send , that means we will send, it doesn’t work like that in germany, chancellor scholz can say that we want to send weapons, but if the post does not agree to this, then it will not happen, but you already mentioned macron’s statement regarding the training coalition of the ukrainian military about the transfer of aircraft . also we also mentioned the agreement that zelenskyi signed with macron regarding aid to ukraine and restoration of ukrainian infrastructure, there, if i'm not mistaken, for 200 million euros. do you think that such assistance is sufficient and can france do more, because we remember how a few months ago

macron actually became such a newsmaker regarding the possibility of sending french troops to ukraine, regarding the possibility. some other levels of cooperation, as of now, how does it correlate with those statements that were, well , at least before, well, let's be honest, if talking about statements, it should be noted here that emmanuel macron did not say that at the end of february 24th, he did not say that we would send troops, he said that such an option should not be ruled out, these are slightly different things, i understand , that the media may have distorted it somewhat. at some point in his declaration, but the declaration was such that there is no need, let's say, we don't need to draw red lines for ourselves, that this is also such an option, it must be on the table, as they say, the second thing, indeed, with such a declaration, macron showed a certain leadership and he created this one strategic uncertainty, if before this

declaration the russians were sure that any, let's say, no western troops would be in ukraine, here, they say that it's okay, such a decision can be made, they can come, and to my in my opinion, they will be deployed in ukraine as a training ground in any case, so that it does not happen sooner or later, if we talk about aid, it is not 20 million, it is 250 million euros, it is to help ukrainian infrastructure, especially in matters of energy, it is difficult for me to say how much it is or not, since i don't... on energy issues, i don't know how much it costs to replace these or other capacities in order to restore ukrainian energy, but we should also not forget that 400 million euros will be allocated for the af, for the french organization of the development agency, which works in ukraine, which will implement projects again from the recovery in ukraine, so

after all, there are not 200 million here, but 650, in this regard, what will happen with... the situation now in france, what do you think, after the elections to of the european parliament, there will be some political corrections, if we take into account that the marin party le pen can obviously win this election, well she can't win, she will win, by a very very large margin, the last poll i looked at is 33% for eugène, assembly, while the pro-presidential majority will get 14.5 , it seems or 15, it's... you get it more than even twice as big. as you say, the elections to the european parliament, they do not, they do not directly and at least immediately affect any situation at the national level. of course, it will be, let's say, it will be a certain blow to the presidential majority, but on the other hand, everyone understands that from the very

beginning the russian federation theoretically had to win, i mean from the very beginning, when the polls started, so there is no surprise here, the only surprise can be that they can gain even more at the moment of victory, it can to be unexpected, but what is the general situation now, you mentioned about... the national level regarding the electoral support of france, in particular through the prism of the elections to the european parliament, that is, as far as i understand, the situation is somewhere plus or minus is similar, or is it possible that , let's say, the preferences of the french regarding elections to the european parliament and hypothetical elections to the national parliament of france differ? well, you understand that... uh, if you look, then , according to the polls in the european elections, 48% of all registered voters will vote, this is even less

than half, which in turn indicates that society does not consider these elections important for the country, and this is in principle, this is a tradition, there is always a turnout for european elections less than than for the national elections, if we talk about the possibility, about the prospects of the next french. parliamentary elections, it is still too early to talk and draw any parallels, but it is worth noting that aid to ukraine is not a key issue that concerns the voter, the voter is concerned about rising prices, danger, but not in the sense of geopolitical danger , and the danger in the country itself, voters are worried about, for example, unresolved issues of migration issues, and therefore voters try to look for the simplest. to solving these issues, the easiest way is provided, as a rule, by left-wing or right-wing parties that give slogans and promise quick and easy solutions, which, as we

know, usually do not work, mr. denys, we thank you for your thoughts and your analysis, denys kolesnyk, political commentator, france was in direct contact with our studio. what do we have next, then a short pause, so short, and literally in a few minutes we will return to the live air and there will be an analyst with vitaly portnikov, wait, watch the news at 9 o'clock, the results of the week, the upcoming global peace summit in switzerland has already polarized the world, a new package of us military aid to ukraine worth 200.25 million dollars and mirage planes from france. defenders of ukraine: the work of snipers of the first separate special brigade named after ivan bohun. about all this and

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i asked. to ihor eisberg, regarding, eisenberg, regarding, regarding biden and his statements, this is what shook, very shook ukrainian society, everyone discussed it very violently, biden stated that, in fact, ukraine might, but not necessarily, join the nato, whether it does not have to join nato, about the fact that, in principle, it is possible to guarantee our security. country and without participation in the north atlantic alliance, many experts, including respected ones, say that, well, how is it, how is it legally possible, yes, why is biden's statement like this, is it his personal opinion, is it inspired by some certain positions or certain, perhaps, as i have already said, perhaps a certain pass of russia,

a demonstration. what kind of political position is it now? first, the president of the united states has no personal opinions. so, if biden says that he does not see ukraine in nato as a condition for the end of the war, it means that this is the position of the united states of america. secondly, president biden told president zelensky during the ukrainian leader's last visit to washington that the condition for ukraine's accession to nato should be ukrainian victory. but what is ukrainian? victory is an abstract concept, as we know, in which everyone invests everything he wants, we know what a ukrainian victory is from the point of view of the majority of the ukrainian population, it is an exit to the borders 1991, about which we have repeatedly said that this is not necessarily the end of the war, but it can be considered a victory, but again it is clear that if there is no end to the war, then there can be no accession to nato, so for by and large, if we remember all these conditions and the fact that the condition of admission can be consensus. then

by and large nothing has changed, if there is no consensus among the allies and there is no end to the war, then the chances of ukraine joining nato are quite conditional, this may be to some extent a signal to russia that you will never you will gain control over ukraine, but you can be content with the fact that ukraine will not join nato. the only problem is that russia will join nato absolutely equally. or not, it wants to have it as part of its territory, and therefore, when all the americans tell the russians that ukraine can remain neutral, and by the way, it is worth remembering that this is exactly what putin demanded from the west on the eve of his attack, it is not at all stops putin, on the contrary, it increases his appetite. we show that he is doing everything right, that the event is already over is making concessions little by little, and that by and large the real solution to the situation may

be... a suspension of the war with guarantees that ukraine will not receive any real security guarantees when putin wants to end this war, because again his behavior at the st. petersburg economic forum showed that he chose for himself the option of prolonging the war indefinitely. and now you and i need andrei to understand that there are two options for the development of events, in fact, in the global sense of the word. the first option is that war suspends. is not suspended, and ukraine receives some guarantees from nato, let's say there, or security guarantees in general in the event of a truce with russia, if this truce can even take place, or a security guarantee for this territory, which will be controlled at that time a legitimate ukrainian government with the fact that it will be able to join nato in theaters.