and not only pro-russian ones, let’s say, the legend was that whoever owns all of crimea and sevastopol dominates the black sea, well, it’s possible, it was real there somewhere in the 17th, at most, the 18th century, when there were sailing ships , the threat of winds, etc., and for our time, when the black sea, already at such fast... distances, it became a basin, small, it no longer works, and crimea remained only a threat for a possible fight against ukraine, that is, in the 14th year , before the 14th year, it was we who said that if russia creeps up to us to the crimea, then actually this is the first stage of the conquest of ukraine, but in the crimea. there is a gap, even two,

these are isthmuses, this, this islet, in fact, is connected to the mainland by two, two such necks, these are the changaris of the trench, which, if you plug a cork there, then, strictly speaking, it becomes a closed vessel, well, on the other hand side now there is another crossing, this is the kerch transport crossing, the same, the crimean bridge, and the port-crimea-port caucasus crossing, if you cut it and the logistics on the kerch strait, then, strictly speaking, crimea becomes a suitcase without a handle, on the contrary, it not only helps uh... in attacks on

the mainland, it only burdens its owner, it is because of this that the russians, already realizing that such an ass is sneaking up on them, they are trying to lay a railway directly in the combat zone in the south of ukraine, so the ukrainian military chose the most optimal way, this is actually such an operation to prepare the combat space, a planning operation, as our partners in the armed forces call it, to isolate the crimean peninsula, which will with him with an enemy garrison, with an enemy group in the crimea, i don’t know, i don’t really care, well, as history shows, there they have chersonese, i mean not, the ancient

greek place chersonese, but the city of chersonese, and we are from chersonese in sevastopol, ugh, where those fleeing from the crimea usually gather, that's a uaelkom, well, that's a different matter, actually, those who found their way to the crimea, the invaders, i would advise them to use the crimean bridge, return. and naryanmar to himself in vorkuta, so as not to end up in such a trap. well, when we we are talking about the de-occupation of crimea, and about the operation regarding its de-occupation, many experts and even the leader of the crimean tatar people , mustafa dzhemiv, said that the destruction of the kakhovskaya gest by the russian occupiers a year ago, it happened, as is known, but, let's say it like that. .. unfortunately contributed in a very

bad way to the fact that our offensive stopped in the north, south direction and in the direction of the crimea, is this really the case, how do you think the destruction of kakhovskaya ge with the russian occupiers affected our offensive in the south direction and of course crimea well, it's really not a secret anymore, here i agree with mustafa, i completely agree. in the 23rd year, the armed forces of ukraine planned an offensive from the kherson direction in the direction of chaplynka to kalanchak there to crimea, it was on the shortest route, and apparently the russians knew about our plans, some mole, these spies, reported something to them, and so they used . they have become such

a barbaric way of disrupting our planning, then it must be understood that not only the liberation of crimea, they disrupted, they actually need military units there. in crimea, everything else is scenery for them and hostages, we remember how in the 14th year, when the invasion of crimea was developing, they actually used the civilian population as hostages and put them in front of their armed men when they captured and stormed ukrainian military units, the same way now, or there is no risk that, okay, we will still be able to surround crimea, deprive it of communication. with russia, and there will remain many armed russians and at the same time many ukrainian citizens who will be hostages in such a situation, on the one hand, i understand that these are our ears, and this is a partisan movement,

a resistance movement, on the other hand, these are also hostages, these are our people who have found themselves in such a difficult situation, so how to be here is a really difficult question. and ee, our representatives of the authorities, their military, uh, warn the residents of crimea, in particular, crimea now, that it is better to leave dangerous areas, because this is a zone, a promising zone of hostilities, and return then, there, when already, the war wave will wash away from this theater, that is, if the crimeans. who observe the situation in ukraine and from time to time they open a map of air alarms, then they see ukraine with two, well, with two constantly red spots on its land, red fields

of constant air danger, this is luhansk oblast and the autonomous republic of crimea, this is such a signal that in any what moment, any time ... there could be, there could be, it could be dangerous there, so our signal to the civilian population of crimea, who is loyal to ukraine, to provide their families with protection, if possible, leave the peninsula, at least women, children, and if there is an opportunity to move to... further from russian military units, where they will obviously fly and where there may be shooting battles at some time, then also come to other areas, at least to other areas, yes thank you very much, mr. pavle, thank you very much for taking the time to join our broadcast, see you soon, pavlo lakiychuk,

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hello, congratulations, i am andrii yanitskyi, gulsum khalilova, my colleague in the studio, this is a joint, joint project bereber, or together in ukrainian, a joint project of espresso and crimean tatar tv channel atr, and today we will be in the second part of the program. to speak with iskander bariyev, head of the crimean tatar resource center. mr. iskander, congratulations. selyam aleikumdraga. good day, glory to ukraine. salaam. good day. and eskendraga. well, what if we talk about the results of this week and what happened on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula, which would determine the violation of human rights on the peninsula this week, because i know, for example, that recently... russia has been focusing on yes so-called saboteurs and terrorists in crimea, and

almost every week they detain so-called terrorists, saboteurs who , on the orders of the armed forces of ukraine or the government of ukraine, are planning some kind of operations, terrorist attacks on the territory of akyar and other corners of crimea, whatever would you say well, first of all i want to say that they are really trying or continuing. persecution of our compatriots, they persecute on such articles as sabotage, espionage and involvement in the battalion named namanachalijihana. and as for that video that you are showing, well, first of all, so far this is our opinion that this is a staged video in order to, well , scare people more, and because, well, really, if we talk like they provided information, they detained. people who were allegedly previously considered and were previously

considered as complicit, as melitopol citizens, which five melitopol citizens, who were previously convicted in the russian federation for terrorism, and that they cooperated there with the special services of ukraine, but in general, when we speak about the fact that they are doing, well, it’s true, it ’s the searches, it’s the continued persecution of citizen journalists, it’s the arrests, and here i would say more about the fact that they still continue to persecute representatives of the crimean tatar people, and not all the information we are talking about now may be public, because the relatives of these people, well , they are asking us to speak about it for now... out loud, because they are interested in getting them released in the first place. and

why is this done? i remember that in the 14th year there were similar stories when, well , not even russian law enforcement officers, the so-called occupying forces, even some volunteer brigades of theirs, captured some people and accused them of preparing terrorist attacks. i remember there at the new post office in akiar in sevastopol they took out some kind of shields, like the ones used by the protesters on the maidan and... and they claimed that it was almost some kind of weapon, although it is clear that the shield is, on the contrary , used for protection, for attack, and then this, well, i felt pressured, including through this russian tv channel citizen chaly, the nts was like this, there was a kind of panic, panicky moods, fears that the local population

was afraid of the so-called friendship trains from kyiv, and or... some people from bandera, nazis and so on, and now why do they have this panic and this fear? well, first of all, when we talk about the 14th year and if we analyze all these processes, i myself completely disagree with what needs to be analyzed so that we can clearly talk about the dynamics, about their condition, about their tools, which they use, so the 14th year is real the period when... they did not have, shall we say, official village structures on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, and they tried to use the so-called defense forces there, the defense forces, the folk wives there and so on, although we understand that just after all , representatives of the fsb, representatives of rural

structures of the russian federation took part in all these wives, besides , they, as in the newly occupied territories... they did it, let's say, without, let's say, not ensuring the protection of human rights by institutions, that is, they have to mind when later already a prosecutor's office system, a police system there, and a system of judges are being created there, so that every citizen or resident could apply to demonstrate, and for this they did it for that, and by the way... they repeated it already in the newly occupied territories, this also happened in the territory of kherson region, zaporizhzhia region, and in order to really, let's say, intimidate people and so that there was no pro-ukrainian civil movement, then they created a system, the so-called law enforcement system, and now including already systems appeared on the territory of the kherson

region, they made a gynecological court, and here exactly, well... is it good or bad, that is exactly the question, but on the one hand, let's say, when we talk about civilian hostages, that is these people, who are not classified as prisoners of war, and are not classified as political prisoners, why? because they are there without a court, without a court decision, without such decisions, but the occupation systems of the occupation authorities in order to be able to use these to... cops, why are they delayed or no freedom is kept in the cities, they are cellars or there are some kind of death camps, and from this side it can be said that here for the rights defenders there is more opportunity to protect people in the territory of the temporarily occupied kherson region, on the other hand, they are trying to demonstrate to the international

community in this way that they will create all these institutions, and this is where we need to understand that as far as crimea is concerned, at this time in 10 years they really created these institutions, but with all this we see a different approach, and first of all in relation to the representatives of the indigenous crimean tatar people, when immediately after the decision of the un international court of justice they started more and intensified the persecution of representatives of the mijliz korultai system and in this way they try to intimidate people, well, i think it is more related to the fact that... what are they for them for 10 years, creating all the institutions, the security structures there, the fsb, etc., they still cannot, cannot cope with the fact that, anyway, information is sent from crimea to the competent authorities of ukraine, to the defense forces of ukraine, where the armed forces of the russian federation are located

whether military facilities or new facilities of any kind, they cannot, well... let's say, control the situation when they provide information about explosions, video materials, etc., and therefore it is very important for them, and including that they still have not were able to completely take control when such purely civil resistance appears, when we talk about the phenomenon, let's say the colors of the ukrainian flag or yellow. intimidated people so that, say, the number of people who could be completely controlled later

could be controlled more, and besides, they still do as they do now, now the main thing i would like to say is that they do it this way, they come at night and conduct searches, or kidnap a person, this is happening in crimea now, then they promise that they will release, they try not to talk about it out loud , they do release, but under what conditions, we still don't know, and in this way, i think they are trying to spread the system, let's say, whether knocking, or reporting, whether it reduces the circle of people who can create resistance, and that's why i think that it's purposeful the policy of the occupiers, you know, i wonder what the russian occupiers are? want from teenagers. recently, the crimean tatar resource center reported that during the occupation of crimea , at least 28 cases of persecution

of minors were recorded. well, do i understand correctly, are these more administrative cases, or something else, why are minors detained in crimea, for what cases, what are they charged with. well, first of all, when we talk about society, about the future. in one or another society and are generally focused on youth, on youth, on teenagers, as they perceive it, and indeed we are witnessing how actively they engage in militarization policy, propaganda policy, anti-ukrainian policy, let's say such politics, but with all this, when teenagers appear who use other sources, who try to create, or... to shoot a video or to make some kind of, well, let's say, to manifest, we understand that teenagers and young people are more of such maximalists, and they

try to do what they can do, and here it is precisely - after all, for them it is very, let's say, dangerous, i would say, and these are indicators of the fact that among the youth they tried to educate and are trying to educate, there are teenagers who do not take their position, and here they are, well, first of all, they are really trying to intimidate parents, they open administrative cases either against the teenagers themselves or against the parents, and in this way they try to, let's say, educate another part of the youth and children and teenagers in order to demonstrate that they are in control of the situation and that they will are there fines or

a lot because that's what they've recorded and we see 28 cases that's in my opinion that 's here i mean we're not pretending that all this all all the information is complete maybe. we still do not have additional information, we may have many more of these cases, but this demonstrates that there is a young generation in crimea that takes, let’s say, which is not the one that takes a pro-ukrainian position, that does not agree with the policy of the occupation authorities on territory of crimea, and this is very important, well, that is, together with this, we understand what is still going on militarization. children in crimea, children in crimea , for example, two or three weeks ago we saw that the russian occupiers in this immortal regiment forced 3.5 thousand children to go to

artek, they forced children to do this, that is, this is a violation international law, etc., how to deal with it from the kendrag, i know that the krimstar resource center and directly the krimster mejlis, well, always records these violations. rights and regarding the militarization of children , etc., and even submits all this data to international courts, but still, how does it affect directly to what is happening in crimea? well, first of all, i also want to remind you that we provided and are providing information about how children were deprived of their rights during the period of occupation and indeed a violation of the convention on the rights of the child. and right here we have to talk about the fact that children, this is what you are showing on the screens now, and this really happened in artek, and children are involved there.

in different regions, including from temporarily occupied, new, temporarily, temporarily occupied territories, and including from the territory of the russian federation, but just i still want to remind you that on june 1, the day of children's rights, they actively demonstrated, let's say, including how children are programmed and demonstrated the militarization of children, which is just so disturbing. so, well, all international norms, and it is very important for us to simply record it, document it, and because children, they should not be politicized, they should be provided with, let's say, normal child development, receiving an education there, receiving all the benefits there , which may be, but we see that the occupiers make the future of these children. there

are invaders, future, let's say, criminals, and this is really, this is a crime, and we are trying to demonstrate about it, we are trying to document it, and we are trying to inform the international society about it, and it is really important to pay a lot of attention to it here, because this is the younger generation, which... well, let's say, is already traumatized by the ideological and propaganda work that the russian federation is doing, mr. iskander, very briefly, but i want to have time to ask one more question, the occupiers dismantled the monument to pyotr gergyrenko back in may , it probably happened, maybe on may 18, they only found out about it later, and i wonder if all the monuments that

they didn't... liked, they destroyed more in the 14th year, why did they reach the hands of the soviet right-winger who defended the crimean tatars, and this is some kind of signal, special, symbol, why did this monument stand for so long, if the occupiers did not like it so much, is there you version, but look, look, a minute from the kendrag, ugh, literally minutes, well here, first of all, i want to say that starting from 2014 they are a misnomer. what kind of works were tried to dismantle or remove these or other memorial signs connected with deportation, with human rights activities and so on. as for the monument to petro grigorenko, we are currently collecting additional and complete information, i think we will have it, so they have now started some work there and in this way they are trying to demonstrate what they are doing, as it was on lenin boulevard, but and the monument to peter grigorenko.

constantly brought blossoms, flowers, and he was there established back in 1999 by the crimean tatar national movement, and in this way the crimean tatars constantly came and put tickets, so i think that they did not do it immediately in order not to outrage the population, and they were waiting for the time when, let's say, more after the population is more pressed, but i... i think we will come back to this case, and after we gather more complete information, we will provide what and how to do in order to this monument still returned to the city, and let's talk more about this later in other programs, thank you, agasmander boriev, chairman of the board of the crimean tatar resource center, was on the air of the beraber program, together with the ukrainian joint e-project of the atr and... the atr tv channel,

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