in order to pull everyone along, look at me, you see what a maniac i am, then i can go further, this is what he told them, this is in his understanding a professional assessment, because really, professionally speaking, what it sounded there, you can't threaten, at the same time they do it all the time, they don't just threaten, there his deputy on the security council declares that he announced the launch of a strategic nuclear weapon attack on... london, paris, on, i don't know, washington, he called . but what is it? it is prohibited by all conventions as a professional. professionally, if you think about it, then after such a statement, it is necessary to use conventional weapons to completely detonate everything that they supply here, supply, if professionally. the answer should have been professional. and he mocks that there is no professional response from the west to his threats. for today, and

he is mocked by the fact that you see how we, we russians, can send death, as he already said, that we don’t even need to mobilize, 46,000 of them came to us voluntarily, they want to fight themselves, death is coming, well, it’s a lie , well, he's a liar, well, it's not clear what he is a person who simply lies, that is, he is a professional kagibist, he creates all these schemes himself, and uses himself in these schemes. the quality of perception, yes, everyone is afraid, he called it, you see, he calls it 70 kilos with numbers, well , who knows, for example, whether they can do anything at all in russia, they announced these exercises, they were taking something somewhere, the americans took the answer and they tested tactical nuclear weapons in a different way, without detonation, that is, they, i don’t know the details, but the americans, you gave some information about this in zmi, yes you are... in zmi, and what, my,

well, my conclusion, which i made after communicating with specialists in this field, is that before using nuclear weapons, it is necessary to first understand and test whether they will not explode in the event of such actions somewhere on their territory, that is, it is necessary to conduct some tests, which did not take place in 1996, if i am not mistaken, in russia, that is, it is the first, the second, there is one such moment, putin perfectly understands, the first attempt to use a tactical nuclear charge there, whatever, there is no difference, that is, that's it, that's him, the end of his story, because i'm not i think that china in this situation will behave as it is now, it is clear that the usa will do it differently, he was warned about... this,

so he basically gives it all, he directs these words to his own, fooled by the propaganda of society or those who remained there, and to such right-wing radical groups abroad, well, actually those who later write newspapers, but about these statements, they spread a lot about this topic from these statements, you see, there are already russian for ... others are worthless, well, in principle, if the pentagon spokesman declares something things are serious, the whole world is looking at it, and the spokesman is russian, they destroyed 100 heimers, 500 patriots there, that is , well, well, what are we talking about, and i am not the one who claims that putin is lying in this situation, because he knows perfectly against

agreements that he has, including washington and beijing on nuclear weapons, and he knows very well that if he applies, well, you know, here's the story, everyone thinks that it will be the end of the earth and everything else, but it will the end is actually different, there will be an end to the fact that it will be pandora's box opened and very soon there will be two... a dozen or even more nuclear states in the world, that is, even in this situation, russia will generally be silenced very seriously, and then they will simply be dismembered, starting with china and others, because no one will tolerate it anymore , so it somehow still affects someone, i don't know who it affects, it affected us in ukraine in the 22nd year very seriously, it affected our partners at the end of the 22nd year, now those experts who gave the answer in... america, i read these statements, well,

they react very calmly to it, because they understand that the first ricochet will hit precisely at... putin, personally at putin, so the second, other words that he repeats 10 times all the time, when these are the threats at first, and then he repeats, no-no-no , russia will not use, like karaganov, serhii karaganov, well, such an apologist for this promotion of the topic, nuclear and incineration strikes, and they played out the scenario today that he asks putin a question, and putin says, no, we will not use these weapons, she. enough of your conventional forces to achieve the result, you you see, yes, that is, it's all a game, and god forbid, he will come to some kind of decision, well , i think there can be

deterrents, at least, i think in the us they understand that, anyway, whatever - what kind of movement, everyone, all the warheads are under control, any movement, if only after... it starts, you will see, it will appear immediately in the key information agencies of the world, because then the americans will immediately leak this information, and those intelligence that has access, they immediately pour it all into the information space, because it is without a doubt that you do not doubted, so now it is necessary to understand that even without nuclear weapons, our people are being killed, and the number of dead, in principle, on the part of russia has already been exceeded. the number of dead in nagasaki and in hirosiv, that is, you understand the scale of russia's losses in the war against ukraine. yes, mr. valery, and it is clear that there are two important summits ahead for ukraine, this is the global

peace summit that will be held on june 15-16 in switzerland, and in july the nato summit, the anniversary summit of the north atlantic alliance, will be held in relation to the first one. summit, global summit of peace, three of the 10 points of zelenskyi's peace plan seem to have been agreed for consideration at this summit, but latvian president edgar rinkevich says that ukraine's victory in the war must be based on the ukrainian peace formula, and he stated this at the security forum in riga, in the answer to the question of what he means by ukraine's victory. i have a very simple answer to your question: we support the peace formula of president zelenskyi, this is the first, second, ukraine should become a member of the eu and a member of nato, this is what a complete victory will mean for us of ukraine in this war. well, that's how the president of latvia articulated quite clearly what

victory in this war of ukraine means. at the same time , we see how china has its own peace strategy as well. is trying to promote and says that 26 countries of the world seem to support this peace strategy, what will be at the global peace summit, obviously we will see if, in your opinion, there will be a parallel summit that china will hold in the interests of russia and present some more peaceful plan, well, in order to say that not only zelenskyi has a peace plan for ukraine, but also china, and more simply... in russia, well , first of all, we will really see the result, the main thing is that it is not blurred, that the plan is peaceful, the main one, the one that represents ukraine, there are certain risks there now, what could be some joint document is blurred that

will blur this position, but it is possible to bypass this situation, i think diplomats are working on it now, regarding china's attempts, china is seeking the surrender of ukraine. everything is very simple, well, he understands that ukraine will not go for it, so he is satisfied with such, on the one hand, prolonging the war, on the other hand, drag on for a long time, it is also not beneficial for china to join what i said, and it will be irreversible, if other countries join this war, then china will lose, china will lose the situation, and putin will lose, so now is the right moment, they want to secure victory of russia that is, with a weakened russia, which is beneficial to china, they will soon be at odds with her , that is, in terms of energy. china is playing, well, if we talk about us, then against us for today. as for all his statements about the number of countries, well, that's it for now

empty statements this is not a peaceful plan of china. there are three positions, to stop fighting, let's say this, here is what, what putin wants, to leave a tan. and stop, what to talk about next, what is the security umbrella, what next, nothing china is doing this, so i believe that it is absolutely not you no. worked seriously, if we talk about the importance of china, its position is really important, it is true, it is just support for russia, we have problems, of course, we, too, with china, actually do not have any such understanding and do not know, what to do with him, that is why president zelenskyi has already resorted to such harsh statements, but apparently, probably, in principle, it is necessary to understand... well, consider that china, unfortunately, is not on our side, and we will have to

accept some measures to at least reduce this situation and these threats from his side. now regarding the various peace plans, well, the situation is still such that the peace plans are far away, that is, no summit or any meeting, it will not give results yet. and the peace summit, there is no need to formulate any exaggerated expectations of what will happen next to take place depends on the position of many countries of the world, and there is really such a struggle for minds, for them to understand the threats to their countries, it is a pity that the intentions to hold the summit fell on a completely different time than it was planned, after all, they thought earlier , that sometime in the summer we will get some opportunities. to really stop the war, but there is no such thing, china will have an initiative, they will gather

around brics, brics, which is so strange now, from five countries, it has turned into, there is ethiopia, there is iran, that is, other countries, plus, well, there are and, of course, the middle east countries have joined, some format of partners, that is, they are forming an anti-american coalition, such an anti-american one, well... in principle, it is logical, the world is going that way right now, it is divided into two parts: the authoritarian group of e-e led by china, and here he crouched down, the representative of one vassal country is sitting, which simply surrenders all of russia into the hands of china, that is, everyone who depends on or is interested in supporting china, and the allies of the united states, nato, the european union, japan, new zealand, australia , that is... south korea, now it's going like this, like this distribution, and in principle, the attempts will be what

you said, to dilute the position of the peace formula, but i think it is necessary to also understand that we also have to be dynamic, those things that seemed to be key before may now be less important, on the contrary, other positions will be... more sensitive for us, that's why i would n't make a single document at the peace summit, you can make statements in various areas of food security, energy, exchange of memos there, but what should definitely not be done then give up your own positions, because i will say one thing, it is always very difficult in the last period, when there is really exhaustion, and it is felt that we have... our resources are not eternal and diplomatic activity and

foreign work, and at the front, that is why the impression is that they are already exhausting and it is not known what else, but the enemy also has the same story, so we will have to endure and also improve our abilities in foreign diplomacy to work not only non-standardly there in form, but effectively in content, to be flexible, use contradictions between different countries, to use the interests of countries, that is , to use all possible ukrainian resources in order to work, including in the chinese direction, we should not let go of this direction, here it is simply necessary to achieve a dialogue with china in other ways, well, that ’s it , as for the global summit, we... as swiss president viola amhert says, in

the next peace conference, russia can already take part, i will quote mrs. president of switzerland. it is clear to us that we will not sign a peace agreement based on the results of the conference. for peace both parties must sit at the negotiating table. russia could be present at a possible next conference, in its opinion, the summit of switzerland will become. basis for further negotiations, in this situation viola amhert says that peace should be signed between the two sides, although in our understanding. it should not be peace in the classical sense of switzerland, after all, there should be putin’s capitulation in the current situation, there is a difference, mr. valery, between the fact that russia should capitulate in the current situation, and two should the parties sit down and sign a peace agreement? well, to be honest, i see other scenarios than

surrender, for now let's just be honest, we don't have any. so far there are such factors that we talk about capitulation, but about the de-occupation of the territory of ukraine and compensation and everything else, it is necessary to stand on this and move, is it possible to talk about it with putin at the negotiating table, well, i think not, i i can't imagine such a situation either from his side or ours, that is, is it possible to do it in another way, of course you can, you remember istanbul, these grain... but formally there they did not sit at the table for one, they signed two different agreements, but in fact they made such a multifaceted deal, that is why i think that the mechanisms are there, i am a supporter, or rather i think that this war, if we are not talking about this stage of a large-scale, but a long, long war, which

may decrease in intensity, it will not necessarily end with ukrainian-russian, what... there negotiations, as everyone wants now, if we really create a coalition and pressure, i i don't remember anything about the negotiations the americans in iraq negotiated with someone, you remember who they negotiated with at the negotiating table, they did not negotiate with anyone there, according to me they did not negotiate, but the americans, the usa, did not negotiate with milosevic either, they did not negotiate , and why should they lead here, and where did mylosovych end up in the gas? and how did they negotiate? planes flew in and bombed all the bases? yes, it was hard for the serbian people then, but until now there is a negative perception, but at the same time, serbs want to join europe and nato, by the way, many do, so i think that there may be other scenarios, absolutely, which we do not even see now, but there must

be factors for this, these factors do not exist, now we are not talking about the capitulation of russia, we are talking now. about throwing it out of our territory, we are not talking about the destruction of moscow, maybe many people want it, but it is an illusion, it is an illusion, let's be honest, that is, we are not talking about it, history will judge us later, we have to set the bar' era on our existing borders with russia, so that this evil will never enter our territory, and if she wants to, she'll try, then she got it in the face again, here's what we have to do, i want to fence myself off from... maybe it's my emotional desires, let them live there as they want, just don't come near us, alone the end is very short, if you can say a phrase about biden, that he was always against natovization of ukraine, does this mean that ukraine will not receive an invitation to the alliance in the near future? i don't know what

president biden said, i remember that we had statements, we have a charter, that was signed a long time ago between our countries on strategic partnership and and in joint statements , the americans always said that ukraine would be in nato. therefore , i think that he spoke in the context of a specific issue, i would not focus on it now . we understand that certain conditions have to be met for this as well, and obviously no, this is not a statement that could stop future ones. historical process. thank you, mr. valery, for the conversation. it was valery chaly, diplomat, former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center. friends, we continue to work on the espresso tv channel, and now we will look at the interim results of our survey. today we ask you about whether you are ready for long-term blackouts. so, 19% - yes and 71% - no.

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on tv or on other media you can call the phones if you are prepared for long blackouts 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free . vote, at the end of the program we will summarize it voting. today, like every friday, we have a traditional journalism club, i want to introduce today's guests, this is larisa voloshina, journalist, political psychologist, ms. larisa, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. and maryna danylyuk yarmolayeva, a journalist, political commentator, media consultant, author and host of two youtube channels censornet and showbiz, obviously, should also join us. it will happen a little later, so what happened today in france, today,

president zelensky, after participating in at the celebrations of the 80th anniversary of the landing of the allies in normandy, he spoke before the french national assembly, and he declared that nazism was returning to europe again, and for russia it was. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said: when they try to reshape europe by force and tell that certain peoples do not deserve to exist independently, all this is directed against ukraine today, but in order to be directed against others tomorrow, it is clear even regular ones... how can it go any further aggression: the baltic states, poland, the balkans and beyond. this russian regime does not recognize borders, it is

not enough, even. europe, he has already destroyed syria and is chaotic in the sahel, he invests in terror and undermines life wherever he can reach, where he does not meet resistance. larisa, well, zelensky is basically saying what we all feel about nazism and that this nazism is a new cult for russia, and that this nazism is coming back. to europe, do europeans hear zelensky? i think, hardly, because it is precisely this kind of tangentiality to russia that works here as something cultural, as something so fundamental and fundamental, for other wild peoples. no wonder, when a russian was arrested in france, in fact, a person with a russian passport who planned a terrorist attack

on... the olympics, but they say he is a chechen. we saw how many western media and politicians, when explaining the coup, said: "buryati". that is, it is not the russians. there is culture, there are buryats, wild peoples. and, russia is actually trying, without saying it, to pretend that it is the only one who can contain this asian game, and save europe. that is, it's not us, we say, it's us. we are doing it, look what russia is doing in terms of psychology, it is what freud called the psychosis of small differences, russia is actually imitating us in all its propaganda, an ancient nation, they are not like that, a kind of nobility, even where a soldier does not offend a child, then this is our soldier, where they do not surrender or take honor, these are our soldiers, not theirs, and they talk about themselves

like this... as if they are us, as if they are that russia, and in principle freud said that exactly where there is one a nation claims the heritage, the cultural heritage of another nation, it's like psychosis, where for a sick person you have to kill the one you 're imitating, because as long as he's there, your imitation is obvious, and that's what they do, so we say that their conflict with us, it is existential, it is... the fact that after removing us, the then kyiv-madhorodovs, russians, everything turned out for them, and they then, what is the essence of our demise for europe, why is it dangerous, not even because that the russians will go in columns, maybe they will, maybe not, the problem is that they will finally become in their heads the absolute right to destroy the world, to destroy that europe, as the bearer of some

values ​​hostile to russia, that's the point, while... we are, they are not completely subject to their own criminality. these days there are a lot of analogies, analogies are made, june 6, 1944, the landing of the allies in normandy, the anti-hitler coalition, people help together, and the soviet union and the allies to fight fascism not only with the dumb. and in general with fascism, did you expect that at this, at this meeting in normandy, at least it will be heard, listen, well, it is very it's like what happened 80 years ago, and we need to create a coalition that aims to kill modern fascism, even if they are afraid to call fascism there racism, or russian nazism, or what you expected. in these analogies,

even if it sounds like it, it is not really, and i am very impressed that the ukrainian president was invited to this meeting, because what do they explain, the same french, we traditionally have representatives of the anti-hitler coalition, that is, the soviet union, then russia as an entrepreneur, but when we we say that where there is liberation, where there is a personification with something bright that defeated evil, well, ukraine has now appeared in this place. the question is not that we were recognized as the legal successor of the soviet union, or that we replaced russia. no, we were recognized as those who are capable of protecting, sacrificing themselves for the sake of humanity, and not those who, in principle, just stir things up. that is, it is a very interesting story when hitler is now compared with putin and hitler, and this is already, well, when they say new

nazism, then in principle. he equals hitler, and we understand that...