tv [untitled] June 9, 2024 4:00pm-4:31pm EEST
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of peace is a ukrainian initiative that was born in the fall of 2022. then, during the g20 summit in indonesia, president zelenskyi presented his peace formula: 10 points to end the war. the key one is that russia should withdraw its troops from all ukrainian territories, including crimea and donbas. in fact, this is the formula for ukrainian victory. and for a year and a half , ukraine has been trying to enlist the support of the world in its implementation. the west generally recognized zelenskyi's plan as the only fair way to end the war, but so with the countries in the so-called global south, everything is much more difficult. before the latter, kyiv hoped that china would join the meeting in the swiss alps, because it is almost the only country that has influence on putin. however, two weeks before the meeting, beijing refused to participate in it. arrangements for a meeting in switzerland are still in progress. far from meeting china's demands and
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the general expectations of the international community, which makes it difficult for china to participate in it. we have always insisted on participation in the peace summit of both russia and ukraine, as well as on the discussion of all peace proposals on a fair and equal basis. otherwise, it will be difficult for china to play a significant role in restoring peace. china's refusal was unfortunate news for ukraine. especially since representatives of beijing last year in august took part in... a preparatory meeting in jeddah in saudi arabia. according to the authoritative british publication financial times, during a may visit to beijing, putin personally asked chinese leader xi jinping to ignore the summit. after china's final decision , a number of other countries followed suit, including brazil, saudi arabia and south africa. president zelenskyi was not only disappointed but also irritated by this similarity. the united states of america has a contact. with
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some states where they are encouraged to participate in the peace summit. china, unfortunately, on the contrary, today works to prevent countries from coming to the peace summit. there is a big difference between these two positions. as of the beginning of june, about 110 countries have confirmed their participation in the summit. western countries will be represented at the highest level. in particular, he should come to switzerland. german chancellor olaf scholz and french president emmanuel macron. vice president kamala harris and biden's national security advisor jake sullivan will represent the usa. but the level of representation of the countries of the global south that decided to attend the summit will be much lower. in particular, india will be represented by the secretary of foreign affairs or the deputy national security advisor. the indian press writes about it. and even for such a result, ukraine had to make concessions and bring it up for discussion. only three points
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from zelenskyi's formula, these are food and nuclear security, as well as the issue of prisoner exchange and the return of illegally deported ukrainian children. the agenda is as narrow as possible in order to reach at least some kind of agreement. we should not expect more - german chancellor olaf scholz said on the eve of the summit. there will be no peace talks. we are still far from that, as long as russia thinks it can achieve its goals on the battlefield, it is about engaging countries from around the world to let moscow know that international law and the un charter continue to apply, russia must withdraw its troops from of ukraine. concerns about the possible results of the summit were also intensified by the european pravda publication. it claims that it has read the previous communique of the meeting, which seems to say that its participants are based not only on the ukrainian peace formula, but also on others. these
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proposals, i.e. the so -called peace plan of china, which is supported by moscow and which proposes to freeze the conflict on the front line, is essentially legalized, the information of the bloomberg publication that after the summit in switzerland in the fall, the eu seems to be planning to organize another one in saudi arabia and this time invite russia to the meeting. viola amhert indirectly confirmed this in an interview with frankfurter alemaine. the president of switzerland, the host country of the first summit. with the help of this conference , we want to create a dialogue platform where, as a first step, we will discuss how to achieve peace in ukraine. it is clear to us that we will not sign a peace agreement as a result of the conference, for peace both sides must be at the negotiating table. at the moment it seems so impossible russia could take part in a possible next conference. the idea of the summit, when he was just born in gol. of ukrainian
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diplomats was to agree on the terms of ending the war without russia and only then to put pressure on the aggressor with a common position of the world, but if the meeting in switzerland is limited to... only three non-key points, but ends with ambiguous formulations, then it will not be easy to do this. the withdrawal of russian troops from ukrainian territory, the payment of reparations and the restoration of international law, all of this was ruled out meetings in bürgenstock, which means that it is unlikely to significantly bring ukraine closer to a just peace. counting is at the bottom, literally in a week it will be after the summit, and we will already know about... the results and what was talked about. that's all we had time to talk with you today. thank you for the donation, we remind you that the russian-fascist occupiers have transferred their bombers from engels to olenya, they are already equipped with missiles, so be careful, we wish you a missile-free night. but in case of
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legal expertise program on the espresso tv channel. greetings to all viewers of the espresso tv channel. today, we traditionally talk with people, with individuals who are making history today, who are helping ukraine and ukrainians. which ultimately bring those things that should help our country, our, our people, in fight against russian aggression. today, we are also talking about a very important topic, perhaps even a difficult topic, about prisoners of war, about those people who today, who are being received by terrorist russia today. in our studio, we have oleksandra romantsova, a law enforcement officer, executive. the director of the center for civil liberties
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received the nobel peace prize in 2022. ms. oleksandra, good afternoon. also in our studio , maria klymyk, a journalist, has joined the media initiative for people's rights as a journalist and documentarian since 2022. also, mrs. maria, we are glad to see you in the studio. so, as i have already said, a difficult topic, especially in the context of the fact that recently the occupying state is trying to do everything to minimize any exchanges, to slow down, and under absolutely far-fetched pretexts, says that ukraine has, in ukraine has certain requirements, yes, and of course, we will talk about the recent, last exchange, which took place several dozen times. people returned, if i am not mistaken, there are more than 70 people,
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prisoners of war, but in your opinion, ms. alexander, why is russia, at least in recent months, trying to do everything to curb the exchanges, this is some kind of new tactic, because the previous years there, the 22nd, partly the 23rd year, the exchanges were more regular, well, i wouldn’t say that they were more regular, if you remember, the big exchange where we brought oleg sintsov back, and for example there was the only crimean tatar who managed to get out of the simferopol prison, this is edem bikirov, a man who had only one leg, ischemic heart disease, and its specially by plane brought from the crimea to moscow in order to be included in this exchange, after that we had only one more literally there for a month. one exchange on the line of demarcation between the ordlo and
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our government-controlled territory, and then before the invasion we actually had no exchanges, that is, more than two years, then periodically russia arranges this, because once again you are very right, it acts as a terrorist organization, the terrorist organization sees in these people, first of all , a lever of pressure on ukraine on emotions. ness of ukrainians, to relatives, to break our will to resistance, and besides, i think it is very important for them to somehow hide the indicators of war crimes, crimes against humanity that they actually committed on the territory, on the territory of ukraine, and here we have, like the reconstruction of mariupol, which is absolutely simple destroys under a contrived pretext... the architecture itself, which can preserve and show where the shots were fired from, what
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they were shooting at, how disproportionate it was, what war crimes there were, this also applies to people, especially people who were captured, and russia considers them prisoners of war, in fact, they are absolutely civilians, about whom the third geneva convention explains in all points why they cannot be treated in the way that russia behaves, accordingly, all this is directly a war crime or a crime. so, on the one hand , we have legal reasons, on the other hand, they are trying to use it as pressure, plus these comments of the so-called commissioner of the moskyl region. person on the territory of the russian federation, this is a game on the domestic media market. we have to remember that we we come out of different pictures, we know, because we communicate with those who were exchanged, we know about the terrible conditions, about torture, about emotional pressure, about the impossibility of communicating with relatives, not just a lack of basic food, but the russians are told that
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they are almost in a sanatorium , these ukrainian nazis. but there our boys are suffering on the territory of ukraine in terrible ukrainian captivity, so periodically this myth must be supported, and that is why moskalkova says that twice a month she personally brings them letters and transfers and medical supplies in them the confirmation is so perfect and everything else, that is, these are the three factors that i would single out, ms. maria, and what the last months have shown in the context of exchanges or from them. entities, something special is happening, statements, some actions of the terrorist state, well, we see that the last exchange did take place, but it is one of the few, what is the context of this tragic situation now? well, if, as we could already notice, if there
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were regular exchanges from the 22nd to 2023, then from august 2023... the exchanges stopped for almost 5 months, and it was very difficult for many relatives, because there was not enough information, and in fact now the only information is to find out about who is in polonia, to find out something about civilians, about the military, about their state of health, about the conditions from those who came out of captivity, that is why these exchanges are very important for ukraine, perhaps for this reason russia slows down these exchanges. and blames ukraine for this, that is, very often in their publications you can read that ukraine refuses to take its prisoners, its ukrainian servicemen, then its exchanges resumed again on january 3, 24th, and the last one was on february 8, 2024, again the exchanges stopped, again
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there was this rhetoric from the russian side that... ukraine refuses to take its people, they even that we even refuse to return the bodies of our dead and fortunately such an exchange took place and returned the bodies of the dead, almost more than 200 bodies of our defenders and more than 70 of our servicemen, among them are civilians, as far as we know, there are women, and this very it is important because the exchange of women was a long time ago, they did not return the women, we know that in captivity... now there are a lot of women in russian captivity, both civilians and military, there is absolutely no information about them, so this exchange is very important, because we will have a chance to find out where the women are being received at the moment, what is happening to them and how many of them still remain in polonia, but we have some idea how many ukrainians are still in
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russia now, that is, how many , there may be some data, at least preliminary ones. we will though would like to find out the scale of the categories, because apart from prisoners of war, who are probably the most registered unit, because we have a person who is assigned to a military unit, there is a person who is part of the battalion, if he goes missing, there is a procedure, which state, which state contacts precisely in the process of this being a serviceman or servicewoman, and so we have the most information there about this number, but we know. that this number is classified because it is in principle influential in relation to our defense capability, at the same time there are border guards, border guards, there are policemen, policemen and women and men, for example, in the last exchange, precisely the policemen are civilians, so that we understand that they should not be kept as prisoners of war of russia, they are civilians, and these civilians should have been released as soon as the russian
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federation left some occupied territory, nevertheless it abducts them and takes them to its territory. in addition, there are people who go through the so-called filtering, when they try to leave the combat zone , and here we also have a black hole, no one knows according to what principles a person will be filtered out, he can be filtered out, for example, parents, and children taken separately, only the father or only the mother can be filtered out by the so-called process, besides , we actually have this period in our country. occupation since the 22nd year, which is in the territory, and we do not know how many people still remain there, that is, ukraine has to cooperate with other countries around to... make a request to understand how many ukrainians were able to leave there, that is, this not simply because it is very simple and we are not calculated, this is a huge, huge such number, plus you have to understand that russia does not
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confirm, that is, we have had more than once or twice when a group of people arrives in such simultaneous dismissals, and some of these people have not been confirmed by russia, that is why they were considered missing missing, and russia then issues them within the framework of these exchanges, that is, according to our calculations, taking into account those... relatives who contacted our organization, we have more than a thousand civilians, according to the total count, for example, missing persons with the potential, let's say that they are exactly in prisoners, in our initiative tribunal for putin, we have about 400 specifically named, and about episodes where it could potentially be about 700, but for the trend, these are tens of thousands of people, that is , we can even consider... people who are in the occupied territories to some extent also captives, they are kidnapped, their, their, this is a separate status, if, well, why we, actually,
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civilian hostages are very often used, but for example, hostage is a direct legal term, it defines that someone tried to demand something for him, and that too happens, that is, there are such prisoners for whom the local, or the russian national guard, or the military, they tried something. to specifically demand from the opposite side, and even at the highest level, at the political level, they also demanded that such specific people, they, they can have the status of hostages, but we understand that in fact all civilian people who are in the occupied territory can potentially to become such illegal prisoners, and that is why it is so dangerous to turn the exchange into a certain black market, it is in practice and latin. america, where some, in some places every third person, especially a man, went missing as a result of local military operations, this is the practice of the caucasus,
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the most terrible for us, because in chechnya the same federals, the same, the same russian army took part in this, and in unfortunately for them, this, well, roughly speaking, practice, it already exists, and they know that it is possible to force the opponent to roll over, so yes... it is so important that we really do it within the framework of international humanitarian law, and they didn't try, well, roughly speaking, just shovel out the 2-3 million people there are in the occupied territories, just drive them out because of this status, and this will create a potential problem in the future to convict the russians for these activities, because these are legal nuances, and at the same time it is very important for us that these people have direct contact, have the opportunity... to get, they are in a russian prison, it is not a resort at all, and to have neither transfers, nor medicines, nor contact with relatives there, it is super difficult for
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health, and we see it, those who return , they have anorexia, they have diseases, and actually the last, directly last exchange, yes, there are a lot of people who had either injuries or chronic diseases that worsened, ms. maria, ms. oleksandra mentioned... about the so-called filtering measures, so in principle they can also be to a certain extent, to be considered as those through which people pass through, who are then, relatively speaking, put in prison or resettled somewhere, to what extent such criminal filtering measures are currently taking place both on the territory of the occupied territories and, possibly, on the territory of russia itself, and how many... after all, are there any studies on how many people after these filtering measures can fall directly under the legal wording of prisoners, and we must understand that
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at the moment we cannot say exactly who they are there, which people have passed the filtering, their who was released, who was captured, who was simply deported somewhere, and we simply cannot find this person anymore, we still receive unofficial confirmations that in mariupol until... they are simply taken somewhere for city, and we do not have any information, because no one identifies these people, no one is looking for them, and their relatives cannot provide information about them, because they are under occupation and it is dangerous for them, nor can we claim that do we have any concrete figures of who is in captivity or who is missing because... neither russia provides such data nor we can calculate it from our databases because we do not know if all the relatives have applied to the relevant authorities and submitted this information, that
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is happening in... now in the occupied territories, in them and, well, in most of them , active hostilities are going on, there in the same avdiyivka, in the suburbs of kharkov, kherson, zaporizhzhia, there is no communication at all, no information, therefore we can't talk about some numbers or assert anything in general, because at the moment there are only a few people who have a chance to leave there, maybe you have something to add about these filtering forces... because in fact there are certain testimonies about them, a lot of scary things they tell, but they used the word research, let me i will explain a little how the difficulties are, in fact, imagine that in general we know about some violations of states from contact with people who are also against these violations, and russia, let me remind you, over the past 20 years has cleaned out everyone who could possibly have such the same, as well as the value framework,
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is meant by the magazine. oppositionists, rights activists or independent lawyers, and so there is a small fringe group that is ready to help in some way, they are all under attack, the possibility of losing their license, sitting in prison, because there right now the number of such political arrests has increased, and because of what it means for us to do research, imagine if you're a prisoner of war returning to captivity, that means because russia the first... the first time they kept everyone together, then every person who comes back, it is direct, this is a very common practice, they memorized all the names and surnames of all the people who were with them and until what time, in this way we can trace every person that we have, and if he suddenly remembers the name of a person, which we have there are no applications, then it is also work on the contrary, to find relatives or to find opportunities, how
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to enter this person into the... base, and thus our research, they completely concentrate on those people who return, on the one hand, on the other hand, they are constantly changing, that is , yes, this person remembered that two months ago in the filtration camp she saw so-and -so, that is why there were civilians, of whom there were more in the filtration camps, because prisoners of war, as a rule, because of the filtrations they didn't pass, but they were civilians, so they can more or less to describe what a filtration camp is and according to... descriptions according to the intelligence data that was collected a lot, including, for example, the usa, they concentrated very much on the filtering procedures, because filtering itself is not illegal, it is a question, how do you conduct it, including a lot of sexual violence, well , just exposing a person because you want to see all their tattoos, this is also, this is also sexual violence, by the way, now we see if we saw the footage of the last one on the screen . exchange,
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so we can see, in fact, we are talking about privates, sergeants, officers, the armed forces of ukraine, the national guard, the state border guard service and civilians. by the way, there are 19 people who were captured from zmiinii island, 10 defenders of mariupol and azovstal, 14 military personnel from the chernobyl nuclear power plant, that is, how much time has actually passed? and the soldiers who were already captured in different directions, i.e. in total more than 70 people, to be exact 70 men and five women, four women, civilians, and also information is that at least a third of the rescued people have injuries, serious illnesses
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and... disabilities, that is, we can imagine, in fact, in what conditions the occupiers keep our people there, and in comparison, in what conditions ukraine keeps those russians who came to our land, who are also held in our specialized centers, by the way, if we talk about this, we know that we already need to build a third center, such a number of actually russian occupiers, who... who are currently held on the territory of ukraine, and we have seen those the conditions in which they are kept. the most important thing, you know, is that we saw it, and the fact that they have access to the international committee of the red cross, which actually monitors that, yes, these are conditions corresponding to international humanitarian law, the russian federation did not provide such access, and likewise ukraine created a special commission to identify among these people the wounded, or just as well, yes,
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