close to the world, we are talking with the head of the committee on foreign affairs of the polish sejm and the head of the council for cooperation with ukraine pawel koval. congratulations! i congratulate you! i am maria gurska, journalist of the ukrainian tv channel espresso and editor-in-chief of the sestry website. the key news from poland this week is the launch of the eastern shield state defense program. he presented details of what the largest operation to strengthen nato's eastern flank since 1945 will look like on monday. the launch of the eastern shield and what it is preparing for . let's try to analyze what the key goals are poland? this is primarily border protection, it is important because belarus actually functions as a part of russia. i have always said this, that is , i have said all the time during the last months that there is no point in building illusions. belarus uses refugees as a specific weapon in the hybrid. with poland, it pushes people against each other,

creates a sense of threat and potentially provokes various conflicts, and it is, unfortunately, so it is direct border protection, full border protection now, but also in the future in the event of an attack, because it is actually a potential attack. project is being built in case a conflict breaks out. today, the main thing that citizens expect from us is security. so, on the one hand, we care about ukraine, we provide it with all possible support. when it comes to defense, but as far as the border with belarus and russia is concerned, it needs to be strengthened and our forces concentrated so that people feel safe. the program worth 10 billion zlotys, with several defense strips 700 km long, reinforced concrete hedgehogs, minefields, hideouts, bunkers, swamps and forests, has already been named modern polish maginot line. although

in reality it is something much bigger, because it includes electronic equipment, and drone systems, etc. and all that is possible, the fact is that the borders must be protected in accordance with what the specific situation dictates to us. a year ago i was on vacation in finland to see how they protect the borders and saw how the finns successfully combine natural and technical barriers. because sometimes there must be a physical barrier to the use of what nature itself gives. the swamp is ideal in this regard. but in addition to them are needed electronic means, the most modern and effective, all together give an effect, for us this is the key. it is very interesting, after the meeting of the representatives of the baltic countries, poland, finland and norway, the minister of internal affairs of lithuania announced the creation of the drone wall project. this means that the eastern shield - this polish line of defense correlates and fits into the european defense system that others are currently building. i

think that all these elements will be elements of the protection of the eastern border of nato and the european union in the near future, we are talking about the terms of 10-15 years one way or another, but this line of defense of poland must be fully ready by the 28th year, that is, within the next three years. this is happening, the very start of the project, this is already a clear signal to our colleagues, let's say in quotes in russia, they should hear that we are ready to produce weapons and defend ourselves, they use fear and we should minimize fear, people should feel safe. paradoxically, no attack is needed for this to happen. it will work preventively, because people will feel safe. look, whatever please, what is happening today in...

the internet in connection with the operation in kharkiv, we are dealing with an unprecedented online attack on the west in ukraine, when russian trolls are explaining to people that the west will not cope. our answer is: we are capable of producing weapons, we are capable of protecting the border, we can do it, we will not allow our citizens to be intimidated. recently, kharkiv was subjected to terrible russian missile attacks. it is known that as a result of the attack on the hardware store, 19 people died... without tears, look at the footage of the attack or as children are looking for their parents, the mothers of their sons, and a little boy taking a dna test to find his father's body. in europe, they will discuss closing the sky over ukraine, currently over western ukraine. along a 70-100 km long corridor to

relieve the ukrainian army and allow it to focus on greater air defense. new measures, new methods of protecting ukraine, supporting ukraine. whether it is possible to close the sky today from a technical and political point of view, i do not know, but in this war it also happens that many of the answers we were looking for seemed impossible at first, but by two or three months turned out to be quite real. i

treat this as a decision of the military, it is up to them to decide which decision is real today, how it can be implemented, because it is necessary not just to declare it, but also to implement it. the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radoslaw sikorski , announced the introduction of restrictions on the movement of russian diplomats within the country. sikorsky explains that the government has evidence of russia's involvement in sabotage inside poland. the new york times writes about a series of sabotage across europe, emphasizing that together with a series of arson attacks in poland, they make up the elements of a complex special operation game aimed at intimidation.

i say this frankly, i have long believed that they do nothing good for diplomats, they simply inflame passions, and the ministerial decision is obvious, i would not like to comment on it more deeply, if such unprecedented decisions are made, then there are good reasons for them. what the investigation says about a series of arsons in poland, which, according to the new york times, are part of a russian campaign. nothing more to say about it i can't give an excuse, this is not a topic that i am ready to comment on in detail. what are we waiting for the results of the investigation? of course, all such things, i.e. arson, found incendiary elements, are taken extremely seriously. we live in a new

world, a world where there is no sense of security like two, four or five years ago, today the services take it all very seriously. each of these cases is under investigation. detailed research and verification of where they come from. personally, i am convinced that we we have an exceptionally high intensity of propaganda and propaganda-subversive actions on the part of russia, because russia would like to get such an advantage in order to conquer ukraine this year in the course of certain peace negotiations, but on russian terms. our interest is to achieve peace, but according to just principles. this means that ukraine must have a clear, good position at the front, it must be able to defend itself. affects ordinary poles, is it having an effect, are people in poland really scared? i think it is necessary

distinguish between two phenomena: fear and anxiety, fear is actually good because fear is our emotional feelings based on rational, real premises and experience of history, we see that... that is, based more on a certain kind of helplessness, now let's let's deal with fear for a moment. what can be done with fear? fear can be turned into something positive, it means that we will develop civil defense in poland, let's be honest, hardly anyone thought about it in the last 30 years. fear is also the basis for information. and so that everyone knows that to do, this is practiced all over the world, in countries that are in a situation like poland, we have to wake up, we

have been in a situation similar to the situation in israel for many years, this means that we will be the last stronghold in the east for a long time, especially on the border with belarus and with ex. what to put in a backpack in case of evacuation, i was convinced that in the group of students most would say no, because it would cause some fear, and i told them, you may feel fear, but let's use that fear and do with something rational, and we took a vote, i was sure that at most three or four people would say that they want to give their child a pillow like this with instructions, and most of them said: i want to give this to my child, and now we see that you can be worried, or you can interpret this feeling as fear, to actually do something positive. we are at the beginning of serious thinking about security. these are also the consequences of this war. i am

a supporter of safety education and training people to respond to extreme situations, partly in educational process. if it were up to me, it would happen every year so that people react correctly, for example, to explosions, they just need to learn it several times, so that everything becomes their routine, so that they are not surprised, not afraid, but just know. i have to do this, this and that. i'm sorry, of course, but i think how much this situation that you describe reminds me of the discussions that took place in ukraine right before the war, at the end of the 21st, the beginning of the 22nd, some people thought, why this media campaign, why talk about it on tv at all, i hosted these programs on espresso at the time. we were sitting in the studio, and some experts said that it is not necessary to scare people, people and so on...

remove anxiety from fear, do not be afraid of fear, just use it to win, because the russians will definitely play on this. polish military and their counterparts from the baltic states may appear in ukraine if russia breaks through the front. this information is reported by the german media. spiegel cites statements made during a security conference in estonia. by according to the publication, if the russians manage to achieve a strategic breakthrough in the east of ukraine, then the baltic states and poland. information

that no one has confirmed and it is possible that it is not exactly the same in detail, but it shows how maybe it is just an unofficial atmosphere that has changed at the moment, because no matter how it has already been officially announced that france has entered ukraine. instructors, so this information is not confirmed, but provides context. it is quite possible that someone talked to someone like that, but these are certainly not facts, no politician will say that this is a fact. poland is not plans to introduce troops into ukraine today and the prime minister clearly denied it, but this does not change the way of thinking about it and how we talk about it in europe today. why do they say that, because finally everyone noticed that the security of ukraine is not separate, it is shared. ours, so if we don't take care of ukraine's security, we will have problems ourselves, and that's good, this

aspect, in my opinion, is good, everyone is starting to think that it's not only about ukraine, it's about us. the minister of foreign affairs and the head of the polish foreign ministry, radosław sikorski, said in london, that ukraine has the right to attack strategic targets inside russia. on may 27, this opinion was repeated by nato secretary jen stoltenberg in bulgaria. but italian prime minister george maloney, german chancellor olaf scholz are against it, why are the positions so different on this matter and what are the prospects for understanding? i have been telling german politicians for many months that this war cannot be waged without the ability to express strategic objectives. it is impossible to wage a war without the protection of ukrainian skies, it is impossible to wage it without combat aviation from the ukrainian side, this obviously. you don't have to graduate from the naval academy or other military training, you just need

to start thinking. if we want to reduce the costs of this war, we must help ukraine. aid to ukraine can be translated into specifics, that is, by providing good ammunition, but also by providing aircraft and providing missiles that can hit targets in russia. it cannot be like in the 23rd year, when the ukrainians fought and seized pieces of territory, villages one by one, two by three, and what happened next, it turns out that someone forgot to provide ukraine with enough demining equipment, i think these are obvious things, if the federal chancellery is not ready today, well, it is not ready today, we discuss,

we fight, we deliver, maybe it will be ready in a few months . russia is threatening nuclear weapons in response to this debate, and you know, i'm going to tell you a little bit of my own life about my conversations with my father. my dad is now in kyiv, he is the director of the ukrainian theater dzerkalo and an active public figure. we call on the weekend and discuss news, and recently my father says: you heard what our guys say, sikorsky speaks on behalf of the americans. he says that if russia strikes, it will receive such a blow that it will end. this story is such an illustration of modern polish-ukrainian relations, and, by the way, it is also about the fact that ukrainians recognize sikorsky as their own. like pavel koval, by the way, because hundreds of thousands of ukrainians watch this program of ours. oh, that's for sure. what can we add to this discussion, seriously, about nuclear blackmail by russia? and when it is not

was, there is nothing new here. we must also learn to live with russian nuclear threats. the only paradox of these threats. the thing about russia is that they can threaten only once, that is , they can only carry out their threats once, you can blackmail only if you threaten, and therefore they will not do it, but will continue to threaten again and again. how quickly can a decision be made at the event? today it is clearly clear that this was a mistake at the end of the 22nd year after the withdrawal of the russians from kherson, then they also started to scare again, they frighten, when they fear, when they feel that the end is near, let's not have a slush. because everyone thinks logically. i mean, there is no point in endlessly supplying ammunition to the front if the enemy has the ability to manufacture it. we need to hit the places of production, and it looks like russia is slowly beginning to understand that

there is a breakthrough in the west. that's why they start threatening, because if threats start, it's a sign of glory, not strength. ukraine feels that poland advocates its security, for which we are extremely grateful. i would also like to hear your opinion on whether we should wait for permission to hit targets in the russian federation, because every day of delay is worth the lives of ukrainian soldiers and civilians. so.

a decision in a few months, i'm not calm, so calm that maybe the chancellor will decide but what can a politician do, i started about it i don't want you to think that i'm talking about it at the end of last year, so are other polish politicians, prime minister tutsk speaks, foreign minister sikorsky speaks, many diplomats travel and they say that it must be done here and now and yet constantly.

i carefully follow what is happening, i think that i know european politics well, i was a member of the european parliament, and in this capacity i came to ukraine before peace. protestors on the maidan, i think i know these mechanisms well, calm down, there are nps, a little left, a little liberal, today i

see that the parties that rationally treat security are winning, putin will not win, they are fighting today, they want to show , that they are so strong, and again, more glorious the dog growls louder, they're just showing a threat, it's part of the russian company we talked about, but... it won't work. thank you for this program. pavel koval, maria gurska. watch our programs in polish on pavel koval's youtube channel, in ukrainian on espresso every sunday at 3:30 p.m. and at 10 p.m., and also read our interviews in polish and ukrainian on sestry. i have a little cold today. bless you. thank you. usual tasks become unreal, heavy bags are not for my sick

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of ukraine. mr. pavle is in touch with us. congratulations, aleika, hello, good day, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, glory to the heroes, let's start with fresh news, two russian radar stations were damaged as a result of a night attack on the occupied crimea, drones hit a military unit in the village of mysove in the leninsky district, about this the astra telegram channel reports, mr. pavle, what does this mean, why exactly these targets, why the radar... it was so important to damage them? well, this is evidence that the airspace of the crimea is being cleared, being prepared for the next strikes on the enemy's important military facilities on the crimean peninsula. that's one thing and that's the main thing. well, remember how corridors were created for our missiles of our aerial drones for strikes on sevastopol

at... the facility there in the sevastopol district, in dzhankoya, the same is now being carried out deep in the crimea, well, i would not like to make predictions there engage in, but the statements of the representatives of the gurmo, for example, about the preparation for the destruction of the kerch bridge, the crimea bridge, are completely included in this... well, that is, now we see such a systematic destruction of russian air defense and radar systems, that’s right, gulsum, i would still like to add, if we see on the map and our viewers saw on the map where this cape is located, that is, it is already the sea of ​​azov, it is not the western part of crimea, it is already the eastern part of crimea, close to kerch, and in fact, well, this is the territory that is inside the occupied

territory is located, that is... in order to hit these radar stations with sea drones, well, it was necessary to pass the kerch strait with this sea drone, or launch them in some way from the occupied territory, this is an extremely difficult operation, mr. pavle, and we see systematic damage, and now in the sea of ​​azov, does this mean that we can also hit targets directly on russian territory. walkie-talkies, actually, and why not, we do it regularly, cotton is making noise not only there in belgorod oblast, in bashkiria, near the urals, but also in rostov and krasnodar, and tuapse, taman, are celebrated with such beautiful, i would say, fireworks and

bonfires that. testify to the fact that the russian occupiers in crimea will not receive fuel and lubricants in the near future, because their ammunition warehouses are also being emptied, such an unconventional method, so the enemy's logistics are destroyed, not only the crimean bridge, this is the key to ensuring the enemy's occupation group in crimea this is the kerch ferry crossing, this is also the ships, amphibious ships and transport vessels of the black sea fleet, with which the enemy is trying to supply ammunition, fuel, etc., to the occupied crimea, there is a whole complex of objects that simply need to be neutralized, well, this is already such a safari,

gulsum yes. yes, and yesterday, mr. pavle, it became known that the gurmo of ukraine destroyed a russian tugboat in lake pangolyu, crimean tatar, yes, gentlemen, and here, the more interesting thing is not that the tugboat was destroyed, because it was completely crossed, but, and the fact that ukrainian naval drones have already overcome these russian ban barriers, which we understand are still in novorossian ports and other ports. where russia hides its ships, does this mean that all, well, that is, these ban barriers of russia no longer work, and our naval drones can get any russian ships in the ports of akyaru or the ports of novorossiysk? well, not quite like that, bon barriers are like that.