let's watch together. good evening, we are from ukraine. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. courtesy of the white house. the armed forces of ukraine began to effectively use western weapons on strategic objects in russia. what are the consequences of increasing the geography of ukraine's military capabilities? electricity consumption is increasing. ukrenergo updated the disconnection schedules for industrial and household consumers in the regions. will the increase in electricity tariffs save the ukrainian energy industry and will other prices rise? the fight for restoration of ukraine. mustafa nayem resigned from the position of head. recovery, after

he was not allowed to travel to a thematic conference in berlin. who is behind the personnel disorder in the government? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii ordenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, our victory, and about that. what actually happened during the last few days in europe, there were elections to the european parliament about its results, and also about what is currently happening on the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine and what is happening in the government corridors in connection with the resignation of mustafa nayem from the position of the head of the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine, about the conflict that everyone has been talking about for a long time, and here it is at last. .. moved into the public

sphere, we will talk about it all over the next hour with our guests, with the major of the armed forces of ukraine, special officer ihor lapin, energy expert mykhailo gonchar, as well as with political expert viktor boberenko. however, before that to start our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how ukrainian missiles and drones effectively hit russian targets, yes. in june they hit an oil depot in the temporarily occupied luhansk, the next day the drones reached north ossetia, there is such an airfield there, by the way, mig-31k take off from there, and on the eve of june 9 , the belgrade region came under the crosshairs, in particular, it fell into an ammunition depot, what are the consequences of defeating the enemy, let's see.

glory to the defense forces of ukraine and death russian occupiers. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube platforms. and on facebook, for those

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conversation with the situation, which consists on donetsk region, as president zelenskyi says, has the most difficult situation in donetsk region and in... the krov direction, let's listen to what the supreme commander of the armed forces of ukraine said. the pokrovsky direction, donetsk region, there, there almost every day without change, the hardest, the hardest on the front, the greatest pressure of the occupier, the largest number of battles every day, only yesterday more than 40 attacks, today at this time there are already more than 20. mr. major, how would you characterize the situation at the front as of june 10, 24th. well, let's be honest, the poprovka direction is not for anyone a secret, we expected that it would be so, well , at least i talked about it on your tv broadcasts and so on, so the question is how

ready we were, how ready the second and third lines were in charge of our defensive lines, this is exactly what we we are reaping the consequences of this preparation for... a great pity, well, what can i say, if we see the advance of the enemy, and it goes daily, and goes in many directions, not only on pokrovsky, but nevertheless, unfortunately, we can state the fact that the first findings of the tsk regarding embezzlement of money on the construction of fortifications can already have consequences for criminal cases, but it will not help to return my brothers and sisters, because we lose the most valuable thing in such... as we lose the human resource. now i believe that with the help of western partners starting to come, within the framework of the czech initiative and within the framework of last year's program of a million projectiles for the armed forces, and within the framework of this year's aid

tranches allocated by the united states of america, after the known decision to help ukraine, this is all that is usual for us makes it possible to prevent a rapid breakthrough by the occupiers, but this is still not enough, because let's not forget that the occupiers rule, totally rule in the sky, no matter what we do, no matter what we think up here, and they dominate there, and here are the expected f-16 planes, maybe in the near future there will be up to two squadrons, maybe there are 24 planes there, france promises us a mirage and so on, this is what should be corrected... the domination of the russians in the sky, well, of course, this also requires air defense systems that could to be located in the front-line, let's say, zones, with guaranteed safety from damage by russian lancets, but at the same time, so that they could knock out russian planes, we

remember those stories when, in a very short period of time, we made such a plane crash, on it is a great pity that precious valuable anti-aircraft systems were lost. but nevertheless, we did it and it improved the situation a little, well, at least the russians did not feel unpunished in our skies, but cabs and hovering aerial bombs are what destroys our line of defense, and this is what the fighters have to face on a daily basis, so fortifications, fortifications, fortifications, if we have all been marking the pokrovsky direction for a long time, then i would be interested, but what is the amount of equipment today, well, not for the public plane, but at least what... the number of defensive lines of defense are now being made in this direction, while the guys are holding the enemy offensive with their bodies, and believe me, the picture will not be entirely rosy, and this must also be talked about and cannot be kept silent. she also made a mark on the front the story is that they say that

the number of subversive and intelligence groups of russians has decreased in sumy oblast, they are either gathering forces or they will be transferred somewhere else, i don't know, budanov should talk about it yet, they have... intelligence, they have the means and opportunities, let them study it, but from the point of view, as they say, on the ground, it has already become noticeable, so to speak, and at the end, like zelensky's statements, that something very serious is happening in the donetsk direction confrontation and here there is the number of attacks there 30 or there 40, rather, but for today there are 20 attacks, i want to remind the audience that if we recall the number of daily reports on attacks during the conditional bakhmut period. tion, then the numbers there were 160 per day, so what i am simply saying is that they spared the russians this rapid pressure, here, but again, they spared not in order to retreat, in order to accumulate strength, and we this time we have to build yermak zelenskyi's line,

yermak zelenskyi's second line, yermak zelenskyi's third line, well, why did the russians build surovykin, well, i think that yermak from zelensky is cooler than some russian general surovikin, well, i'm yours... well , you can also call these lines yermak zelensky and naim, although naim resigned today , you could call these lines by three surnames. which were being built, because i understand that in the context of today's events and mustafa's statements regarding the resignation from the position of the head of the reconstruction agency, i understood that shmyhal has big claims against this agency, he was not allowed to attend the conference in germany, which , which is in time for restoration the issue of restoration of ukraine, precisely because this agency seems to have not completed anything there, regarding... those, fortification and everything else. what do you say about how it

unfolds and how we look in the eyes of our western partners in this story? well, you know, in this story, i would note the tendency that here some people are starting to blame mr. kubrakov, probably forgetting who he is, what he was and what he was doing before the full-scale invasion, i'm not even talking about his family ties with the minister of internal affairs, if not i am wrong in belarus, well, at least there... a high-ranking official, i generally think that we should do this kind of filtering regarding family ties, because the family can be held hostage, and how will we then evaluate not sabotage, how are we going to distinguish sabotage from, for example, the circumstances in which this or that manager got into, so i believe that this is one of the elements with which it is necessary to simply take up arms and stop this, excuse the pornography from relatives in russia, with russian passports and with good positions in ukraine. as for the resignation of mustafa

nayem, well, this is his position, he positions himself as an independent official, let's say so, but his independence, well, let's judge by the facts, if he was in charge of the reconstruction agency, i remember very well that this particular at one time, the agency dealt with issues not only of restoration, but... it was in certain official positions that mr. mustafa was responsible, if i am not mistaken, for one hundred percent cover of the energy infrastructure, yes, there is a certain tess, if i am not mistaken, he was also before that tangentially, well, they also have serhii leshchenko, another great specialist in the region - public control, i don't know, there is pr management and so on, for zelensky's team, well, i feel about it, you know how, for sure, that kubrakov was removed and with him went to... his whole team, but what to do with kubrakov and an idol, he is

such an honest person here, not involved, i would not do it, big theft did not happen anywhere, we have a very good relationship with you flash drive and we remember everything, if we don't remember, then youtube will remind us, well, that's exactly how i feel about it yes, some people are writing today on social networks, they are crying from a sinking ship, well, let's be honest, we saw the level of trust in president zelensky and the level of trust in the government and the level of trust in the parliament. the agency is subordinate to shmyhal. shmygal, on the other hand, had to carry out one or another on someone, throw off, well, as they say, negativity. well, but in general, in the state of ukraine under the formed total dictatorship of yermak zelenskyi, all officials, their surnames have absolutely no meaning, just as the parliament does not matter, because that is all lightning rods from the rating of the president. what is the level, i will say again, the level of trust in him is high, but the real ratings... yesterday on my youtube channel, we did a stream with yuriy lutsenko, the real ratings are less than 20%,

well, that is, if zelensky is shown these ratings, i think , that he will make personnel decisions, but it is certain that the warm bath that yermak has formed around him does not allow zelensky to get down to earth. at the moment, i believe that this information vacuum around the president, just leads to those negatives, that for some reason he believed that he was the greatest modern leader of the entire planet, and on... his test and phrases on the international arena depend on the election campaigns in the states there or anywhere else, well, to be honest , this trishniak that is happening now , i cannot comment in another way, as the collapse of the very system built to manage the state, you know, i remember the discussions with famous politicians, let's say of records, that's where we talked about the fact that no matter what surname was changed there in the office the president, and... the state bureaucratic apparatus it works just fine, because the state is a mechanism that must work independently of surnames, so i agree with

some theses, just like in the parliament, deputies come and go, and some of the staff of the verkhovna rada have been sitting for 70 years retired and everyone works there, and try to fire this or that official, based on the law on civil service, you will be tortured to fire, even if he is a scoundrel, i have come across this, so we have... this story, but if the newly-minted officials start run away, it says about the level of their, their capabilities during total control by the fair office. thank you. mr. major, let's return to the help of western aid and permission from our western partners to use their weapons on the territory of russia. jake sullivan, adviser to the president of the united states of america , stated on cbs news that ukraine has already taken advantage of the permission of the united states of america to strike on the territory of russia.

let's listen to what saleva said. from the president's point of view. it was common sense. what was happening around kharkiv, what started happening over the past couple of months, was a russian offensive. when they were moving from that side of the border straight to the other side of the border, it just didn't make sense not to allow the ukrainians to fire across that border, to hit the russian guns and firing points that were firing at the ukrainians. therefore, the president gave permission for this. the ukrainians took advantage of this permission on the battlefield. and one thing i noted is that the momentum of this operation in kharkiv has stalled. mr. major, how can these permissions and opportunities of the ukrainian army to strike deep for 320 km by 200 miles, i can change and whether will they quickly change the situation on the battlefield? no,

of course, they will not change quickly, but to these permissions, you still need to add atakam rockets and permission. to be used specifically for attacks with a warhead containing a cluster munition, then we can hit a mass of troops and the russians will not be able to mass even at a distance of up to 300 km. to date , we do not have such a permit, although there is a permit for other weapons. the first result, well, there was the command post of the russians, which was located in one of the sanatoriums, they showed the footage skillfully, they hit, as they say, there are eight high-ranking russian officials there. those who are now missing, as i understand it, cannot be dug up, well, in principle, the ground is covered with concrete, this is how it will affect the course of the war, this is the first swallow of the future permission for ukraine to use anything, anywhere, because i don’t even i can imagine, you know, recently there was a meeting in norman, well, in honor of the landing in normandy, there were appropriate

events, including president zelensky, and president biden and so on, well... imagine what under the time of the second world war the allies landed in france, but germany was not bombed and they did not enter berlin, because they are forbidden, so how would they be able to win then? this thesis must be conveyed that, in principle, ukraine is a country that defends itself, and you can destroy the enemy anywhere, including on its territory, because otherwise this war will go on forever, until the ukrainians are finished, and the russians are on their own they won't feel it. bilhorodshchyna feels a little bit what it is like... the war in ukraine, but it is not even worth a tenth of what ukrainians felt, relatively speaking, in mariupol, so we should have this good, not what they allow or do not allow us there, let's be frank: the congress of the united states and the congressmen who voted for the law on providing assistance to ukraine, this is in the form of 60 billion , no restrictive measures

were prescribed in this law, and therefore it was exclusively a political decision of president biden to... this gives respect to the above-named president, be that as it may, i do not belong to the category of trumpists, but nevertheless it it was the decision of the white house not to allow it, and now they have allowed it, well thank you, thank you very much, but how many people died as a result of their not allowing it, and i will always remind our western partners about it , including, as one famous person said politician, americans will eventually make the right decision after trying all the wrong ones, well, this is not a quote, but somewhere in that context, so... uh, now it's the right decision, we still have to add the appropriate ones to that decision power of means, and then it will be completely correct. why are we talking about this, because literally the last few days have been so successful for strikes by the defense forces of ukraine, in particular, the strikes were on the territory of the akhtubinsk airfield, in

the astrakhan region, which is located 589 km from the line. our drones collided there and two fighter jets were hit, at least according to gur representative andriy yusov, two su-57 fighter jets are very modern machines, of which there are only six in russia, and the russian media write that the attack on akhtubinsk was carried out by invisible drones, which cannot be beaten by any ppu system in the world. and in addition, on june 8, ukrainian defense forces launched a coordinated attack on a russian amphibious assault ship that had recently moved to the sea of ​​azov from the black sea. this was reported by sky news, however, later it became known that there were two other ships that were hit in the sea of ​​azov, and i, well,

judging by the video that we have now on the screen, it is obviously not a large amphibious ship, but some kind of ship, i don't know, some kind of ship in a word, but tonight the forces defense forces of ukraine successfully struck one s-400 anti-aircraft missile division of the occupiers in the dzhan area, as well as two enemy s-300 anti-aircraft missile divisions near chornomorskyi and yevpatoria, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports, but this, mr. major, is obviously not a few that, and these are point strikes, and obviously, this sanitary zone, which putin always talked about, could be entirely on the other side of the border, that is, not on this side of the border, as the russians wanted... but on that side of the border, that is, so that they could not even at a distance of 300 km approach the border with ukraine, is it possible to create such a sanitary zone? well,

first of all, for the first time i heard about the word "sanitary zone on the territory of russia" from representatives of the main intelligence agency of ukraine, it was then, in fact, promoting successful operations that were carried out in raids, raid operations in the territory. and for some reason then they decided that with these raid operations it is possible to provide a sanitary zone, er, that's why i treat it like this, how realistic is this scenario? well, the point is that something needs to be done to make a sanitary toilet to hold, you understand, that is, to have so many firearms of destruction that no one could enter this zone from the side to plant, well, we do not have such an opportunity today. if we are talking about successful operations to knock out russian air defense systems, s300, s400, this is a very good story, in this case, gurk should be noted here. including, and especially with the terrestrial corridor, which is actually without any conflicting interests of kuteresh and erdogan, the armed forces of ukraine provided a grain corridor for our ships. what

refers to other aspects of the destruction of the russian fleet and aircraft. let's be honest, we don't have a black sea fleet today, but we managed to destroy a russian submarine to some extent, we actually knocked out half of the black sea fleet and... and their vessels that were, that are hiding there now, they don't even show their noses, well somewhere else they say that they want to relocate to abkhazia, well, i think we will get there, so it is in this context that i am talking about the fact that behind the dawn of the 21st century are the newer weapons of the 21st century, and the old weapons it will not be possible to fight against it, but it turns out that it does not work very well against drones, so we need to scale this main thing, if we are talking about... about the impression of the airfield by our drones and we destroyed two planes there lands, well, you understand, yes, that is, that the russians rarely used them, they cost

many billions, i can’t say about the prices there right now, but i know that they are very, very super expensive, the russians used them rarely and on far, far super distant steps, so that we, god forbid, do not have them we got them, we understand, but we destroyed them with drones, but now the question of russia is big. we need to scale this number of drones, well, two drones arrived at the airport, and if 20 arrived, what would be left there, and if you understand, the russians have established the industrial production of lancets, they have established the industrial production of shaheds, shaheds up to 600 per year , and here we were talking about a million drones from zelensky, but i can’t understand which modification, he was talking about mavics or fpv drones or what he was talking about, well money was taken from local communities, billions were taken, but the drones are still there... i don't see them, by the way, the month of may is over, there should be at least half a million in the army, but something is what i'm looking at, the volunteers are longing and gathering peace ponies , to buy

a soldier midro, although the successes cannot be devalued and leveled, we get, if i am not mistaken, the brain airfield, this is already a further distance, that is very good, it is a god-pleasing thing, but to scale on an industrial scale, you need to have such a number of drones, to fill them with... the entire sky of russia, so that they cannot sleep peacefully during the day, as we had regular alarms, but they should have ten times more, because their territory is much larger, and they are much more dispersed throughout russia, we need to get it, although i will tell you this, look, even here we were talking about the topic of allowing weapons to be used on the territory of russia, that is, biden actually moved the red lines closer to moscow, and there are already red lines on the territory of bilhorod region, as soon as we... have the help of western partners on systems that will help us to hit even further, we will further move the red lines, but our task is to saturate, precisely to saturate the russian land

with our drones. and close, saturate our skies with western models of air defense, well, let's say, we need this scaling, because otherwise, well , we won't be able to hold much with the bodies of soldiers, and it will be much more difficult for us then, mr. major, a few words about mobilization, about how the pace of mobilization has changed, roman kostenko, sbu colonel and people's deputy of ukraine, says that for in the last month, as many people were mobilized as in the last... six months, the war does not need people who do not want to fight, so motivation should be the basis of recruiting, says the commander of the tera air reconnaissance unit in the third separate assault brigade mykola volokhov, he was we have espresso on the air, let's listen to what volokhov said. the main idea is to prepare a person and explain to him why he needs it. i will say more than that,

in the war, people who do not want to fight, who do not... know what they need it for, they actually not needed, you can't force a person to fight, at least there will be very little benefit from it. what actually needs to be done and what do we do in the third separate curtain brigade? mr. major, what has changed in almost a month since these changes to the mobilization legislation came into force, what do you note, what do your colleagues say? er, has anything changed? i understand that without the clause about demobilization, well, it is difficult to obviously evaluate mobilization efforts, because this is also a very important element of mobilization, the issue of demobilization, i know a lot of people who say, well, when the summons comes, then i will go, that is, i will not break myself, but i will go, they updated their data there, well, not in tetsk, but also delaying the deadline due to the reserve, because the reserve is not issues a summons to the vlk, but they already say that

they will already... issue a summons to the vlk to be sent through the reserve, this is also an element that speeds things up, that is, people are in principle ready to defend the country, but well, there are a lot of them, i know those who , for example, who are less than 25 years old, they say, and we would go, we would sign a contract there, well there, i'm 21 year, i am ready to sign a contract there for a year, for two, for three years to go to war, but then to become a moron, because i would like to be by the age of 25, as my mobilization age should be from 25, i would fight now, i would take academician to the university. for a year, i would sign a contract and then i would come back and study, well, so as not to lose this opportunity, i know a lot of such people, but it is unrealistic in our conditions according to this bad law, because first of all, you are not you after graduation you won't go to study the contract, because he will make his way in you automatically, and well, as far as i understood that, maybe let me be corrected, who understood that law better, but as far as i understood, it will continue

automatically, and therefore you will not come to dodo. to study and the most important thing is demobilization, if there is no demobilization, remember, there will be no recruitment, or there will be recruitment only among those who decided to tie their lives with the armed forces of ukraine and serve until retirement, up to the age of 60. well, trust me, that's a little different story, and it 's these things that kill so-and-so you know, so to speak, this idea, such things kill ideas. after all, to go voluntarily, but on the other hand , i don’t know about the amount, maryana bezugla once told that we mobilize 30,000 a month, well, if you listen to the words of roman kostenko, it turns out that in six months, during this period, we mobilized more as for six months, that 's basically it, we already fulfilled zelensky's mobilization plans for this year, because they said that we don't need 5,000, we only need 300, well, that is, it looks a little, well, excuse me, but it looks a little

absurd, either you name the numbers, or... or or it's a little something 2 +2 i don't get five, i still get four. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation, ihor lapin. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live there now, please subscribe to our platforms and, rather, to our pages on these platforms and.. . vote in our survey, we are asking you the following today: do you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine? on youtube everything is quite simple: yes, no , if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you hope that the new composition of the parliament will support ee ukraine 0800 211 381, no 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program

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