2 + 2 doesn't give me five, i still get four. thank you, mr. major , for the conversation, it was major of the armed forces of ukraine , a special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation ihor lapin. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live there right now, please subscribe to our platforms, and rather our pages on those platforms, and vote in our poll. today we ask you about that. or do you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine on youtube is quite simple, yes no, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you hope that the new composition of the parliament will support ukraine 0800 211381, no 08021382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, then we will contact mykhailo gonchar, president

of the strategy 21 global studies center, energy expert. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, i greet you. well, first of all, first of all, mr. mykhailo, how would you characterize the situation in which the ukrainian energy industry is now and the prospects for restoring our capacities? well, about the prospects of recovery, i would only talk very much before... in terms of time, we are talking about the recovery of what can be recovered in a short period, it is meant during the summer, the beginning of autumn, and there are no prospects here either very comforting, and it must be understood, and the question here, the problem here is not only that, in those blows that were inflicted there during the end of march and on june 1, but is already taking place. the accumulated

effect with the destruction of those destructions that were set during the autumn-winter period of 22-2 years, because if someone, i see something like this, someone has an illusion that everything that was there outside of last winter, then it is already say, if it had recovered there and somehow it worked there, no, not really, because there was also serious destruction, and actually, if we take into account the production cycle, but the production of the necessary... equipment, if it was even ordered in a timely manner, then all this is calculated not in months, but in a year and a half, or even two, figuratively speaking, the equipment that was ordered at foreign facilities after the winter of the 23rd year, the 22nd of the 23rd year, well, it must come somewhere now and be, part of it...

installed during this summer there until the beginning of the winter season, but new destruction was caused, and accordingly, a large part ruined, it is simply not subject to any restoration, i'm not talking about that, for example, the power units of thermal power plants that were destroyed were not just old, but ancient, so there was no point in even blaming them, if it was ... even they went out of power on their own, so we we are facing a difficult period, and it will be difficult not only in winter, but we feel it now. the fact that we are now seeing a certain improvement is simply the result of the titanic work of the generating companies on the remnants of the remaining capacities and the emperor ukrenergo, who are trying to quickly re-comment there.

all electricity lines in order to provide both industry and the domestic electricity sector itself, well, we see that in principle, for example, on the example of harp, where everything was totally destroyed, we see how it worked, which is not a joke when they say about the fact that energy supply is better in kharkiv than in kyiv, so these are the realities. and from this point of view it is necessary to understand that the question of restoring the resources of our generating capacities is now a question of years, but not months. mr. mykhailo, since june 1 of this year, tariffs have been increased for electricity from up to uah 4, 32 kopecks per kilowatt/hour, and prime minister shmyhal on the air... of the edyni novy telethon said

that this tariff does not cover the market price of electricity, let's listen to what the prime minister said of ukraine. the cost of electricity fluctuates today in the region of 7-8 uah, we set a tariff of 4.32, based on the cheapest cost of the energy atom and ukrhydroenergo, these are two state companies, plus the cost of delivery to people from two components is also included, and this is actually the lowest cost of the cheapest electricity, which we have in the state, is currently available, we give it to people, and in any case... the state pays about 90 billion hryvnias in order to ensure this non-market price for the population. the prime minister says that this tariff, which is fixed as of

june 1, will be valid for one year and is supported by subsidies. mr. mykhailo, is it possible to increase the price of electricity, in which? a way to help our power generating companies recover, or is the question simply about what the prices for anyway electricity in ukraine must grow, because they do not correspond, as her slyness says, to the market value of electricity, well , it was from the very beginning, of course, if even in 1919, when the law on electricity penetration was adopted, it was supposed to work after half an hour, because half a year, and the market was supposed to work, it did not work, what they did is a pseudo-market or a quasi-market, it looks like a market, but in reality it is not, and that is why, and precisely such

a populist platform of their government, it is if only the current one, it is if it is traditional, unfortunately, to provide the electorate with cheap energy resources. well, now we see the reverse side, because tariffs had to be gradually increased, starting from the 20th, this was avoided in every possible way, and the problem remained the same, so the tariff was increased, but again in much worse conditions, rather than what was there in the 20th or 21st year, and of course that this is an increase, well, it is there somehow. will undoubtedly contribute to a small extent, but if it does not become some kind of panacea or magic wand that will allow you to get some kind of cash flow there, decide the problems that arose in connection with the destruction of the generation, because the problems that arose

are calculated in billions and not in hryvnias, but if you count, billions of euros or dollars, so... no increase in tariffs will give such uh money flow, so one way or another it had to be done from the point of view of certain approaches, but the system remained unchanged, well, parasitism on the energy atom, but the energy atom, again , as it was, remains a cash cow, it properly not reformed and in principle, and now if... something is difficult from him, well, from the point of view of transitioning to some other principles of work, although it should have been done, not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday, but we didn’t go for it, so now we have it those

problems have significantly worsened and the situation, the situation that arose in connection with... the destruction that was caused to the power system as a whole and thermal generation, therefore, mr. mykhailo, at the very end of our conversation, i would like to ask, well we're kind of focused on what's happening in energy, electricity, of course it is important, and people are worried about whether this electricity will be available and in what quantity and at what hours, but obviously, we should talk about energy security in general and about gas and oil. because eh, if in winter, for example, russia stops supplying ukraine, or rather, as far as i understand, contracts with european countries in russia end there, and

russian gas will not pass through the territory of ukraine, what will be in ukraine, will we have enough opportunities in order to overwinter with disabilities? whether or not the government needs to talk and see this problem more comprehensively, not only energy, not only electricity, but gas and oil, well... i hope that they see this in a complex way, well, first of all, already this winter we used only own gas, well , unfortunately, this is not a reason to be proud, but we have not imported russian gas at all since 2015, so if there was transit, there would be no transit, well, there will be certain technical problems, but until they were preparing for this, and even in earlier times, for the operation of the gas transportation system. in conditions without transit, and transit is not needed now under these circumstances, moreover, it is for russia through

the objects of the underground gas storage system in the lviv region, that is, they are showing that if, for them, the achievement of military and political goals is important for the aggressor, and that is why the strikes are not only on the electric power system, well... our fuel system, that is to say, the distribution system of oil products, oil depots, they began to destroy them right from the end of february 2022 and continue to do so wherever they see that something works, so here it is there is no need to have any illusions about their further intentions, the strikes are simple, well, in principle, we also act accordingly, because our strikes on their opposite factories are... precisely their weak point, a vulnerable point, and therefore it must also be continued,

this is an important point from the point of view of deterring the enemy, but if we see that, well, they have the arsenal of means that we lack, i hope so far, in order to act more powerfully in response and thus stop a--and these ee ... intentions that have not just been marked, but are being realized, and it's just that in the power industry it has reached the most critical point, so a really difficult, difficult winter period is ahead, but the summer period will also be quite problematic, but we are already hardened. thank you, mr. mykhailo, for the conversation, it was mykhailo gonchar, president of the strategy 21 global studies center, an expert. on energy issues, friends, i remind you that we are working live on tv channel uso, as well as on our

youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe to our pages, take participation in our poll, today we ask you about whether you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes no, or your own opinion, please write in the comments, well, if you watch us on tv, change your smartphone or phone and vote: if you hope for the new composition of the european parliament, that it will support ukraine (0800-211-381), no (0800-211-382). all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, a political expert. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good for you, good health. glad to see you. and hear, and i hope that it is quiet, calm in sumy, well,

at least, if you go on the air, let's hope that everything is okay, this is also an indicator and a sign for us, yes, i am not in sumy now , in one of the border communities, well, actually the front-line communities, and here everything is calm for the moment, the commotion persists, sumy region, well, the armed forces of ukraine are protecting sumy region, but sumy region is also fighting, because people, including 17 of the 501st communities in sumy region, are actually on the verge of conflict, on the front line, and many communities are having a very difficult time. shelling every day, but the silence persists, it is important that all of ukraine knows, all of ukraine knows and hears you, and of course, it is good if... so that europe hears and knows about it, because the elections to

the european parliament have been held for the last four days and the center-right european people's party, which supports ukraine, will become the largest political group in the new convocation, it will represent 186 meps out of 720, the progressive alliance of socialists and democrats and the liberal bloc renewing europe remain in second and third place, while they have somewhat strengthened their position. right forces the leader of the european people's party, ursula fondeen , said that she is going to create a broad pro-ukrainian party for a strong europe. let's listen to what ursula fondeyan actually said. my goal is to continue this path together with those who are pro-european, pro-ukrainian and pro rule of law. and already tomorrow this work begins again, summarizing. of course, these elections are not taking place in a vacuum, forces from outside and inside are trying to destabilize our societies and

trying to weaken europe. we will never allow this. by the way, french president emmanuel macron, after the election failure , announced that he was dissolving the national assembly and calling early parliamentary elections for june 30 and july 7. the far-right national union party scored twice as much as macron's party. in russia, everyone is there are trying to present these elections to the european parliament as the failure of scholz and macron. but, well, ursula's exits. she could talk, perhaps, not only about the fact that she will form a pro-ukrainian majority, because this is also an indicator, in fact, there will be a pro-ukrainian majority in the european parliament, and this is what ursula fondeyan is talking about, how do you evaluate these results, mr. viktor, and will putin's wish or his dreams come true that

europe will reconsider its attitude to the war in russia against ukraine and will... influence the fact that european countries, european politicians they will support the ukrainians less, let 's say, together we have a war in military terminology: putin has advanced on the political fronts in europe, but putin has not won, this is just an advance, it is not a breakthrough, and the european establishment must understand and make something of it. conclusion that populist slogans in europe both worked and are working, but it is more profitable for russia to invest in the destabilization of the internal, well, internal agenda in europe, it is cheaper for russia, it is much cheaper than investing in tanks and

war, and russia is aware of these methods, let's say, this is the only war where they work successfully, and this is a wake-up call for the european establishment, because yes, there are some leftists there, there are leftist departments in european universities, but in general, let's say , in that from ukraine, or admiration for russia, these are some marginal things. and if the marginals go, let's say, beyond their margin and something there, count on something, achieve something, then this is a failure of smart people, really smart people, because smart people in europe, you can't be smart and not to understand that russia is the main threat

to the security, the security of europe, and that if in... where ukraine is, an inevitable, inevitable war in europe, and it is necessary for everyone to tell that people are good, you will be behind ukraine, you will be behind the ukrainians, boys and girls, your children will fight, your children, specifically, and whoever votes for the political forces that say, damn it, the main thing is to stop shooting, vote for war in europe, that's all. what must be said and the first thing, once again putin won a pyrrhic victory, clearly, he did not advance, yes , they can say that in solovyova there ai-ai-ai, everything is fine, but there is another thing, you have to understand that this is a failure of ukrainian foreign policy, it is a failure

of the green government, and let's be honest, here there is no... there is no need to blame the ministry of foreign affairs, because the ministry of foreign affairs, or rather should be blamed, but only for the fact that the ministry of foreign affairs as an institution does not work, it works as an appendage, as an appendix of the office of the president of ukraine, and this is unacceptable, not only that, the policy of the office of the president of ukraine is aimed exclusively at gaining points for the government, and it is necessary, so that... in ukraine there will be local self-government bodies, so that our mayors will go cities and there they worked in communes, in local communities, in what... ex-departments of france, and if klitschko will conditionally go to paris, a gardener there to some liège or marseille, then our

heads of communities must go to some small towns, yes, if in you town of 30,000 people, a community of 30,000 people, go, look for the same one in poland, in germany, in france, talk to them, we need our ees to go there. cultural figures, sports figures to go, children to go, but conditionally our government does not know what to do there with the bilopol community on sumy oblast, with vorozhbyansk, because if they want to evacuate people from these communities, yes, but they don't know where, where, what else, but you children, you stupidly put an extra billion in the budget there, accept the changes to the budget and take these children out, well , to put it roughly, the dubiousness, the strong dubiousness of the name of the olympic... in bilopilla take it to the headquarters of the usa, to poland, to germany, also, let football players, handball players, athletes, let them train there together with german, polish,

french, dutch children, and let them meet regularly for tea and coffee and they also talk about the problems and say: " what, you're out of your mind, who can vote for russia, vote for ukraine, because these are children, children in bilopyl, so you know, serhiy, i was there recently in bilopil , there were some women somewhere, women, i shuddered so much from surprise, well, because i have women for me every day, yes, and here children, ten-year-old children, come up to me, they say, uncle, don't worry, it was an accident, it's a flight, it's our baboons in response to them, so i don't want our children to have the experience of recognizing, it's an arrival or a departure, and everyone the coach must go from bilopol and say, do you want your children to have such an experience? the arrival of such a terrible experience will be distinguished from the departure, the germans will say, the poles will say, no, we don't want it, then vote correctly and give a lot of money and a lot

of shells, and we will stand, and we will win, i absolutely, i absolutely agree with you, mr. viktor, by the way, bilopolsky district is the district where my ancestors came from, and my mother and grandmother were born there and my great-great-grandfathers grew up there, so this is... that place where did my ancestors come from, and all their lives they lived next to russia, well, there already across the river and russia already began, yes, mr. viktor, one more question that arose today, and obviously it will affect the perception of ukraine tomorrow at the conference on restoration of ukraine, which begins in berlin, literally a month before this conference. which was being prepared for a whole year , oleksandr kubrakov, who was responsible for the restoration of ukraine, the vice-prime minister and the minister of regional infrastructure development, was dismissed, and

today, mustafa naim, who was a member of kubrakov's team, and he headed the state agency for reconstruction and development of infrastructure, wrote a statement of dismissal today, which he writes in his post on facebook, he listed several examples of creating artificial ... obstacles to the work of the agency, including the cancellation of the budget for the restoration and maintenance of roads. i am aware of the limited resources and the importance of military spending, but the cancellation of funds for the maintenance of infrastructure will inevitably affect , first of all, the condition of roads, defense value, as a consequence on all military logistics. if this does not change, next season we will face complications in military logistics and export of products. the day before , it also became known that prime minister shmy. rejected mustafa's request for a trip to berlin for the international conference on the restoration of ukraine, and in general ukraine will be represented by the deputy head of the office

of the president of ukraine oleksiy kuleba, well , something incredible is happening, that is , we seem to say so and insist that our western partners help us, but oh well tomorrow there will be a conference, there will be olaf scholz and oleksiy kuleba, what is happening according to your opinion? in the ukrainian government, well, there, as far as i understand, yuliya svyredenko will officially represent the delegation, and galushchenko will be there, and marchenko will be there, yes, that is, if the people, and who will terikhov will be, there will be mayors and the head of the regional of the military civil administration of the mykolaiv region, but about... specialists, so to speak, there will not be there for restoration, and not only that, at such conferences it is necessary to have the entire spectrum,

let's say the expert pool was, yes, a large scientific pool, otherwise it’s all a hoax for visitors, because the government will sing hosanna, everyone is under yermak’s control, everyone has memorized the text of what needs to be said, well, the first thing that needs to be said is that there is no corruption in ukraine, but ye from zelensky is a god, and yermak, the prophet of god on earth, yes. and in this unsophisticated way they will try to get nowhere, but they are afraid to let in experts who might talk about the need to be careful with ukraine, and to give carefully money that becomes budget money, because budget money is stolen and if it is distributed through kickbacks, and that's why...

you have to be careful with this, as for nayam, this, well, this shows that, well, if we 're talking about the kremlin , we say that some different towers of the kremlin are waging a carpet struggle there, then we can now talk about the fact that in ukraine, various floors in the office of the president of ukraine are waging an under-the-carpet struggle. because i do not consider the government to be independent, and what naim said, he also said that he knew that he would not be allowed into this forum, which he actually and cooked, yes, together with kubrakov, they cooked and now they don't, well, you know it, it's like how you educate a girl in love somewhere, but there you also give

a ring. some, but then, and she, but she marries another, well, it’s something like that, yes, eh, and it’s stupid, of course, this will once again testify to jealousy in the office of the president, that is, not to let the ex-minister and the ex-head of a key state agency there, yes there, well, this is nonsense and stupid, and will once again testify to the fact that ukraine is not an independent country, well in in terms of the european model, this is once again very... but we will have this, and this will lower the status and degree of these negotiations, this will once again be evidence for the allies that ukraine is not an independent state, but a state where favorites, well, some kind of king, only he is not called a king, not an emperor, but now they call him the greatest leader today, thank you, mr. viktor, we have limited time, sorry, i was glad to hear from you,

take care, hello sumshchina. so, it was viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, a political expert, friends, us we are working live on the espresso tv channel, and during the entire broadcast we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine. let's look at the interim results of the poll: 88% yes, 12% no, these are the results of a television poll. news from us awaits you ahead. partners from the bbc, in 15 minutes i will return to the studio and we will talk about the results of the week, there will be an hour of comments, traditional for monday, wait.

scholz is shocked, macron is taking a risk, and maloney celebrates let's talk about the results of the elections to the european parliament, how will they affect general european politics and support for ukraine? on the bbc live from london. y. the extreme right won less in the elections to the european parliament than was predicted for them a few weeks ago. at the same time, the centrist majority of the european parliament abstained. these are the preliminary results of the pan-european vote, which took place over four days in all 27 eu countries. these are large-scale elections in which 720 meps were elected. and look which one there will be a distribution of forces in the updated.