for our long conversation, i suggest you watch the video of how ukrainian missiles and drones effectively hit russian targets, on june 7 they hit an oil depot in the temporarily occupied luhansk, the next day the drones reached north ossetia, there is such an airfield in mozdok, by the way, mig 31k eyes take off from there and on the eve of june 9 under the sights.

"glory to the defense forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who now watch us on youtube and facebook, subscribe to our pages on these platforms and take part in our survey. today we ask you about whether you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, yes, no, or". please write the option in

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region, there, there almost every day without change, the hardest, the hardest on the front, the greatest pressure of the occupier, the largest number of battles every day, only yesterday more than 40 attacks, today at this time there are already more than 20. mr. major, how would you characterize the situation on the front as of the tenth. on june 24, well, let's be honest, the posivka direction is not a secret for anyone, we expected that it would be so, well, at least i talked about it on your tv broadcasts and so on, that's why the question is, how prepared were we, how prepared were we, the second and third lines of our defense lines, today we are reaping the consequences of that preparation, unfortunately, well, what can i say if we see the advance of the enemy and... it goes on every day and goes in many

directions, not only on pokrovsky, but nevertheless, to our great regret, we can state the fact that the first conclusions of the tsk regarding the embezzlement of money for the construction of fortifications may already have consequences for criminal cases, but to return my it will not help our brothers and sisters, because we lose the most valuable thing in such battles, we lose precisely the human resource. now i believe that with what has begun to arrive... after all, the help of western partners within the framework of the czech initiative and within the framework of last year's program of a million shells for the armed forces, and within the framework of this year's aid tranches allocated by the united states of america, after the known decision to help ukraine is all that, of course, gives us the opportunity to prevent a rapid breakthrough on the part of the occupiers, but this is still not enough, because let's not forget that the occupiers rule,

totally rule in the sky, no matter what we invent here, but they rule there, and here are the expected f-16 planes, maybe in the near future... in what perspective they said up to two squadrons, maybe there are 24 mirage planes somewhere, france promises us and so on, this is what should correct the dominance of the russians in the sky, but of course for this we also need anti-aircraft systems defenses that could be located in front-line, let's say, zones with guaranteed safety from contamination by russian lancets, but at the same time so that they could knock out russian planes, we remember. history, when in a very short period of time we made such a plane crash, unfortunately, precious air defense systems were lost, but nevertheless we did it and it improved the situation a little, well, at least the russians did not feel like they were not being ordered in

our sky, but cabs and glider bombs are what destroy our line of defense, and that's what what fighters have to face on a daily basis, therefore fortifications... fortifications fortifications, if we have all been marking the pokrovsky direction for a long time, then i would be interested in the amount of equipment today, well, not for the public plane, but at least the number of defense lines defenses are being made in this direction right now, while the guys are holding back the enemy offensive with their bodies, and believe me, the picture will not be entirely rosy, and this also needs to be talked about and cannot be kept silent, the history of the front has also been marked, so they say, that it is sad. .. not yet the number of subversive and intelligence groups of russians has decreased, they are either accumulating forces, or they will be transferred somewhere else, i don’t know, budano should talk about this for now, they have intelligence, they have means and opportunities, let them study it, but from the point of view, as they say, on the ground, it has already become

noticeable, so to speak, and in conclusion, like zelensky's statements, that a very serious confrontation is taking place in the donetsk direction, and the number of attacks there is 30 or 40, or rather , but today there are 20 attacks, i want to remind you to the audience that if we recall the number of daily reports on attacks during the conditional bakhmut operation, the numbers there were 160 per day, so what i am simply saying is that they spared the russians this rapid onslaught, here, but again they spared not in order to retreat in order to accumulate strength, but at this time we have to build the line of yermak from... zelenskyi, the second line of yermak zelenskyi, the third line of yermak zelenskyi, well, why did the russians build surovykin, well, i think that yermak zelenskyi is cooler than some russian general there surovykin well, i think so. well, you can still name these lines, yermak zelenskyi and naim,

although naim resigned today. it would be possible to call these lines that were being built by three surnames, because i understand that in the context of today's events and behind... mustafa's resignation from the post of the head of the reconstruction agency, i understood that shmygal has great claims to of this agency, he was not allowed to attend a conference in germany, which is timed specifically for the restoration, the issue of the restoration of ukraine, precisely because it seems that this agency has not completed something there, in terms of shelters, fortifications and everything else, what do you say about how it... it unfolds and how we look in the eyes of our western partners in this story? well, you know, in this story i would notice a tendency that some people are starting to vilify mr. kubrakov, probably forgetting who he is, what he is and what he was doing before the full-scale invasion, i'm not even talking about his

family ties with the minister the ministry of internal affairs, if i'm not mistaken, in belarus, well, at least there is one a high-ranking official, i generally think that today we need to do this kind of filtering on the grounds of... family ties, because the family can be held hostage, and then how will we evaluate what is not sabotage, how will we distinguish sabotage from, for example, the circumstances in which this or that manager got into, so i believe that this is one of the elements from which it is necessary to simply adopt and stop this, excuse me, pornography with relatives in russia, with russian passports and with good ones positions in ukraine. as for the resignation of mustafa nayem, well, this is his position, he positions himself as an independent official, let's say so, but his independence, well , let's judge by the facts, if he was in charge of the reconstruction agency, i

remember very well that this particular agency at one time , i was engaged in issues not only of restoration, but it was in certain official positions that mr. mustafa was responsible, if i am not mistaken, for... like one hundred percent cover of the energy infrastructure, and there is a certain tess, if i am not mistaken, he too that was tangentially, well, they also have serhii leshchenko, another great specialist in the field of public affairs. control there, i don’t know, there is pr management and so on, for zelensky’s team, well, i feel about it, you know, like, for sure, that kubrakov was removed and his entire team left with him, but what to do with kubrakov and the idol that he is like here we are honest, not involved, i wouldn't be, there was no big theft anywhere, we have a very good flash drive with you, and we remember everything, if we don't remember, then youtube will remind us, well, i'll get to that i mean exactly yes, some... are writing today in social networks, there rats are running away from a sinking ship, well, let's be honest, we saw the level of trust

in president zelensky and the level of trust in the government and the level of trust in the parliament. the agency is subordinate to shmyhal. shmygal, on the other hand, had to carry out certain things on someone, reset, well, as they say, negativity. well, but in general, in the state of ukraine under the formed total dictatorship of yermak zelensky, all officials, their surnames have absolutely no meaning, just like the parliament does not matter, because these are all lightning rods from the rating of the president, what is the level, i will say again, the level of trust in him is high, but the real ratings were announced yesterday on my youtube channel, we did a stream with yuriy lutsenko, the real ratings are less than 20%, well, that is, if these ratings show zelenskyi, i think he will make personnel decisions, but it is certain that the warm bath that yarmak has formed around him does not allow zelenskyi to get off. to the ground, at the moment, i believe that this information vacuum around the president just leads to

those negatives, that for some reason he believed that he was the greatest modern leader of the entire planet, and the election campaigns in the states there or elsewhere depend on his theses and phrases in the international arena , well, to be honest, this trishniak that is happening now, i cannot secondly , to comment on how the collapse of the very system built to manage the state, you know, i have discussions with famous politicians, let's say of records, where we talked about the fact that no matter what name is changed there in the office of the president, but the state bureaucratic apparatus is all the same works, because the state is a mechanism that must work independently of surnames, so i agree with some theses, just like in the parliament, deputies come and go, some members of the verkhovna rada have been sitting for 70 years. are retired and still work there and try to fire this or that official, based on the law

on civil service, you will be tortured to fire, even if he is a bastard, i have encountered this, that is why we have this story, but if newly appointed officials start to run away, it says about the level of their, their capabilities during total control by the fair office. thank you, mr. major, let's get back to the help of western aid and permits from our side. western partners, strike with their weapons on the territory of russia, jake sullivan, the adviser to the president of the united states of america, stated on cbs news that ukraine has already used the permission of the united states of america to strike on the territory of russia. let's hear what sullivan said. from the president's point of view, it was common sense. what was happening around kharkiv, what started happening over the last... couple of months was the russian offensive, when they were moving from one side of the border right to the other side of the border,

it just didn't make sense not to allow the ukrainians to fire across that border, to hit the russian guns and firing points that were firing at the ukrainians , so the president gave permission for it. the ukrainians took advantage of this permission on the battlefield, and one thing i will note is that the momentum of this operation in kharkiv has stalled. mr. major, how can these permissions and capabilities of the ukrainian army to strike deep for 320 km, for 200 miles, be changed and whether will they quickly change the situation on the battlefield? no, of course, they won't change quickly, but to these permissions, you still need to add missiles to attacks and permission to use exactly attacks with a warhead that contains a cluster munition, then. we can hit the massing of troops and the russians will not be able to mass even at a distance of up to 300 km. to date

, we do not have such a permit, although there is a permit for other weapons. the first result, well, there was the command post of the russians, which was located in one of the sanatoriums, they showed the footage skillfully, they hit, as they say, and there are eight high-ranking russian officials who are now missing, i understand that they cannot be dug up, well, in principle, the ground is concrete for them. how it will affect the course of the war, this is the first swallow of the future permission for ukraine to use anything, anywhere, because i can't even imagine, you know, recently there was a meeting in... well, in honor of the normandy landings , there were appropriate events, president zelensky was also there, including president biden and so on, well, imagine that during the second during world war ii, the allies landed in france, but germany was not bombed, and they did not enter berlin, because they were forbidden to do so, and how would they be able to win then, this

thesis must be conveyed that, in principle, ukraine is a country that defends itself, and you can destroy the enemy anywhere. including on its territory, well, because otherwise this war will go on forever, until the ukrainians are finished, and the russians will not feel it for themselves. belgorod region already feels a little bit what the war in ukraine is like, but it is not even a tenth of what the ukrainians felt, relatively speaking, in mariupol. therefore, we should have this good, not what is allowed or not allowed there. let's be honest. the congress of the united states and the congressmen who voted for the granting act. this aid to ukraine is in the form of 60 billion, no restrictive measures were prescribed in this law, and therefore it was an exclusively political decision of president biden, despite my respect for the above-mentioned president, be that as it may, i do not belong to the trumpist category, but that is not less it was the decision of the white house not to allow, and now they

they allowed, well, thank you, thank you very much, but how many people died as a result of the fact that they did not allow, and i will always remind our ... western partners , including, as one famous politician said, the americans will accept the right thing in the end solution, after trying all the wrong ones, well, this is not a quote, but somewhere in this context, so now it is the right solution, we still need to add the appropriate powers of the means to that solution, and then it will be completely right, so why exactly are we saying about it, because these are literally the last ones several days were so successful for the strikes of the defense forces in... ukraine, in particular, the strikes were on the territory of the khtyubinsk airfield in the astrakhan region, which is located 589 km from the line of combat contact, there were our drones and two fighters were hit, at least according to the representative gur andriy yusov, two su 57 fighters are very modern

machines, of which there are only six in... and the russian public writes that the attack on akhtubinsk was delivered by invisible drones that no air defense system in the world can shoot down, and besides, 8 in june, the ukrainian defense forces launched a coordinated attack on a russian amphibious ship that had recently moved into the sea of ​​azov from the black sea, sky news reported, although it later became known that there were two other... ships were hit in the sea of ​​azov, i, well, judging by the video that we have now on the screen, it is obviously not a large amphibious ship, but some kind of chibalker, i don’t know, well, some kind of ship in a word, and tonight the defense forces of ukraine made successful strikes on one anti-aircraft missile division s- 400

occupiers in the dzhankoy area, as well as two enemy s-300 anti-aircraft missile divisions near the black sea and. in patoria, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports this, but this, mr. major, is obviously not, not much, so far, and these are point strikes, and obviously, this sanitary zone, which putin always talked about, could be completely on that side of the border, that is, not on this side of the border, as the russians wanted, but on that side of the border, that is, so that they could not even at a distance of 300 km under... to the border with ukraine, is it possible creation of such a sanitary zone? well, first of all, i first heard about the word "sanitary zone on the territory of russia" from representatives of the main intelligence directorate of ukraine, it was at that time, actually promoting the successful operations that were carried out raiding, raiding operations on the territory of russia, for some reason

then they decided that these raid operations can provide a sanitary zone, so... that's how i feel about it, how realistic is this scenario? well, the point is that to make a sanitary zone, it must be supported by something, you understand, that is, to have so much the number of firearms, so that no one could enter this zone to fire, well, we do not have such an opportunity today. if we are talking about successful operations to knock out russian air defense systems, s300, s400, this is a very good story, in this case, we should note the gur including, and especially with the terrestrial corridor, which is actually without any barrage interests. guterres and erdogan, the armed forces of ukraine provided a grain corridor for our students. as for other points on extermination russian fleet and aircraft. let's talk. frankly, we do not have the black sea fleet today, but we managed to destroy a russian submarine to a certain extent, we actually knocked out half of the black sea fleet

and their vessels that were there, which are now hiding there, they don’t even show their noses, well, they say somewhere else, in abkhazia they want to relocate, well, i think we will get there, so it is in this context that i am talking about the fact that behind the weapons of the 21st century there are newer weapons of the 21st century. and it will not be possible to fight against it with old weapons, that's right it turns out that the fleet is not very successful against drones, so we need to scale this main thing, if we are talking about the impression of the airfield from the side of our drones and we destroyed two planes that are on the ground there, well, you understand, yes, that is, that the russians used them rarely, they cost many billions, i can't confirm the prices there now, but i know that they are very, very super expensive, the russians rarely used them. and on long, long, super long routes, so that god forbid we don't get them, we understand, yes, but we destroyed them drones, but now the question is, russia

is big, we need to scale this number of drones, well, what is it, two drones arrived at the airport, and if 20 arrived, what would be left there, and if you understand, the russians have established the industrial production of lancets, they established the industrial production of shaheeds, up to 600 shaheeds per year, and here we were talking about... a million drones from zelenskyi, but i can’t understand which modification, he was talking about maviks or fpv drones, or what he was talking about, well money in mitzvah communities they took away billions, but i don’t see a million drones yet, by the way, the month of may is over, there should be at least half a million in the army, but i’m still looking at something , the volunteers are longing and collecting money to buy beer for the soldiers, although successes cannot be devalued and leveled, we get, if i'm not mistaken, an airfield of brains. where the distance is even further, this is very good, it is a god-pleasing matter, but to scale on an industrial scale, you need to have such a number of drones that you can saturate them completely

the sky of russia, so that they cannot sleep peacefully during the day, as we had regular alarms, but they should have ten times more, because their territory is much larger, and they are much more dispersed throughout russia, we need to get it, although i will tell you this, look, even here we were talking... the topic of permission for weapons to be used on the territory of russia, that is, biden actually moved the red lines closer to moscow, yes, there are already red lines on the territory of bilhorod region, as soon as we have the help of western partners on systems that will help us to hit even further, we will move the red lines further, but our task is to saturate, precisely to saturate the russian land with our drones and cover it, to saturate our skies with western models of air defense, well... let's say, we need this scaling, because otherwise, well , we won't be able to hold back much with the bodies of soldiers, and it will be much harder for us then. mr. major, a few

words about mobilization, about how the pace of mobilization has changed. roman kostenko, sbu colonel and people's deputy of ukraine, says that that in the last month as many people were mobilized as in the last six months. war does not need people who do not want to fight, so motivation. should be the basis of recruiting, says mykola volokhov, commander of the tera air reconnaissance unit in the third separate assault brigade. we had him on espresso. let's listen to what volokhov said. the main idea is to prepare a person and explain to him why he needs it. i will say more than that: in the war, people who do not want to fight, who do not know why they need it, they actually do not are needed you cannot force a person to fight, at least for the benefit. it will be very little, what actually needs to be done and what do we do in the third separate steering brigade? mr. major, what has changed in almost

a month since these changes to the mobilization legislation came into effect, what do you note, what your colleagues say , or whether something has changed, i understand that without the clause on demobilization, well yours. .. it is obvious to evaluate mobilization efforts, because this is also a very important element of mobilization, the issue of demobilization? i know a lot of people people who say, well, when the summons comes, then i will go, that is, i will not break myself, but i will go, they updated their data there, well, not in the tcc, but also delaying the deadline due to the reserve, because the reserve does not issue a summons to the vlk, but they are already saying that they will already issue a summons to the vlk through the reserve to send, this is also an element that was sent, that is , people in principle... are ready to defend the country, but well, there are a lot of them, i know those who, for example, who are less than 25 years, they say, and we would go, we would sign a contract there, well, there i am 21 years old, i am ready to sign

contract. to go and fight there for a year, two, or three, but then to become a moron, because i am under 25 years old, as if my mobilization age should be from 25, i would fight now, i would take an academician at the university for a year , i would sign a contract and then i would come back and study, so as not to lose this opportunity, i know a lot of such people, but it is unrealistic in our conditions according to this bad law, because first of all, you are not what you are in the end you won't go to study the contract, because it... will be renewed automatically for you, and well as far as i understood it, maybe let me be corrected, who understood that law better, but as far as i understood it, it will continue automatically, and therefore you will not come home to study, and the most important thing is demobilization, if there is no demobilization, remember remember, there will be no recruitment, or there will be recruitment only among those who decided to tie their lives with the armed forces of ukraine and serve until retirement, until the age of 60, well...

believe me, this is a little different story, and that 's it these things, they kill so and so you know, well, so to speak, this idea, such things kill the idea of ​​going voluntarily, but on the other hand, i don't know about the amount, maryana bezugla once told us that we mobilize 30,000 per month, well, if you listen to roman's words kostenko, it turns out that in six months during this period we mobilized more than in six months, so in principle we have already... for this year zelenskyi's mobilization plans have been fulfilled, because they said that we don't need 5,000, we only need 300, well , that is, it looks a little, well, sorry, but it looks a little absurd, either you call the numbers, or it's a little something 2 + 2 i don't get five, i still get four. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, this was a major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation ihor lapin. friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel,

as well as. on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live there, please subscribe to our platforms and rather to our pages on these platforms, and vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine on youtube, everything is quite simple, yes, no, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you hope that the new composition of the parliament will support ukraine 0800 211 381 no 0800 211382 all calls to these numbers are free. vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. our next contact is mykhailo gonchar, the president strategy 21 global studies center, energy expert. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, i greet you. well, first of all, first of all, mr. mykhailo, how did you describe that. the situation

in which the ukrainian energy industry is now and the prospects for restoring our capacities? well, about the prospects for recovery, i would only speak in a very long-term plan, but now we are talking about the recovery of what can be recovered for a short period, meaning during the summer, the beginning of autumn, and here the prospects are not very encouraging either. er, and this must be understood, and the question here is that the problem here is not only that, those blows that were inflicted there during the end of march and until june 1st, but there is already an accumulated effect taking into account the destruction that was inflicted during the autumn-winter period of 22-2 years, because if someone, i see somewhere, that someone has an illusion that everything that was there outside of the last winter, so to speak, if it was restored there

and... and it kind of worked there, no, not really, because there were serious ones there too destruction, and according to the authorities, if we take into account the production cycle, the production of the necessary equipment, if it was even ordered in time, then all this is calculated not in months, but in a year and a half, or even two, figuratively speaking, that equipment, which was ordered. at foreign facilities after the winter of the 23rd year, the 22nd of the 23rd year, well, it must arrive somewhere now and be, part of it was installed there during this summer before the beginning of the winter season, but new destruction was caused and accordingly a significant part of the destroyed, it is simply not subject to any restoration, i am not talking

about what, for example, about the blocks of thermal power plants that were destroyed.