and the russians will not feel this for themselves, the people of belgorod already feel a little what the war in ukraine is like, but it is not even a tenth of what the ukrainians felt, relatively speaking, in mariupol, so we should have this good, not what is there whether they allow us or not, let's be frank: the congress of the united states and the congressmen who voted for the law on providing aid to ukraine in the form of 60 billion, did not prescribe any restrictive measures in this law, and therefore it was exclusively a political decision of the president biden, despite my respect to the above president, by all means, i'm not a trumpist, but it was the white house's decision not to allow it, and now they have, well, thank you, thank you very much, but how many people have died as a result of that they did not allow, and i will always remind our western partners about this , including, as one famous politician said, the americans will eventually make the right decision after that, try all

the wrong ones, well, this is not a quote, but something like this context, so now it the right decision, we still need to add the appropriate forces to that decision, and then it will be completely correct, why are we actually talking about this, because literally the last few days have been so successful for the strikes of the defense forces of ukraine, in particular, the strikes were on the territory of the airfields tyubinsk to astragansk. oblast, which is located 589 km from the line of combat, our drones were there, and two fighters were hit, at least according to the representative of gur andriy yusov, two fighters, su-57s are very modern machines, of which there are only six in russia, and the russian public writes that the strike on akhtubinsk was delivered invisible. drones

that no air defense system in the world will be able to shoot down, and in addition, on june 8, the ukrainian defense forces launched a coordinated attack on a russian amphibious assault ship that had recently moved into the sea of ​​azov from the black sea, sky news reported, although it later became known that that some other two ships were hit in the sea of ​​azov, i, well , judging by the video that i have now... on our screen, it is obviously not a large amphibious a ship, but some kind of chibalker, i don’t know, well , some kind of ship, in a word, but tonight the defense forces of ukraine successfully struck one s-400 anti-aircraft missile division of the occupiers in the dzhankoya area, as well as two enemy s-300 anti-aircraft missile divisions near chornomorskyi and yevpatoria, the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports about this, but this, mr. major, is obviously... not a few

so far, and these are point strikes, and obviously, this sanitary zone, which putin always talked about, could be completely on that side of the border, that is, not on this side of the border, as the russians wanted, but on the other side of the border, that is, so that they could not even approach the border with ukraine at a distance of 300 km, or is it possible to create such a sanitary zone? well , first of all, for the first time i heard about the word "sanitary zone on the territory of russia" from representatives of the main intelligence directorate of ukraine, it was then, in fact, promoting successful operations that were carried out on the territory of russia, for some reason then they decided that these raid operations it is possible to provide a sanitary zone, so yes to i relate to this, how realistic is this scenario, well, the point is to make a sanitary zone, it must be something...

you understand, that is, to have so many firearms of destruction that no one could enter this zone to attack, well, we have such there is no opportunity today. if we are talking about successful operations to knock out russian anti-aircraft systems, s-300, s-400, this is a very good story, in this case it is necessary to note the gur including, and especially with the terrestrial corridor, which is actually without any barrage interests of uterish and erdogan the armed forces of ukraine provided a grain corridor for our ships, which... as for other points regarding the destruction of the russian fleet and aircraft, let's be honest, we don't have a black sea fleet today, but we managed to destroy a russian submarine to a certain extent, we actually knocked out half of the black sea fleet and their vessels, which were and are now hiding there, do not even show their noses, well, somewhere else they say they want to relocate to abkhazia, i think we will get there, so it is in this context that i i'm talking about the fact that... behind the weapons of the 21st century

are newer weapons of the 21st century, and you won't be able to fight against them with old weapons, but it turns out that you are not very good at fighting drones. it turns out, that's why we need to scale this main thing, if we are talking about the impression of the airfield from the side of our drones, and we destroyed two planes that are on the ground there, well, you understand, yes, that is, that the russians rarely used them, they cost a lot billions, i can't confirm the prices there now, but i know that they are very, very high super expensive, the russians used them rarely and on long, long, super long routes, so that god forbid we don't get them, we understand, right? but we destroyed them with drones, but now the question is, russia is big, we need to scale the number of drones, well, what if two drones flew to the airport, and if 20 flew, then what would be left there, and if, you understand, the russians fixed industrial production of lancets, they established

the industrial production of shaheds, up to 600 shaheds per year, and here we were talking about a million drones from zelenskyi, but i can’t understand which modification, he was talking about mavics or fpv drones or about... he was talking, well , money was taken from local communities, billions were taken, but i still don’t see a million drones, until the month of may is over, there should be at least half a million in the army, but i am looking forward to something . where is the brain the distance is even further, and this is very good, it is a god-pleasing matter, but it scales. on an industrial scale, it is necessary to have such a number of drones to completely saturate the sky of russia with them, so that they cannot sleep peacefully during the day, as we had regular alarms, but they should have ten times more, because their territory is much larger, and will be distributed much more throughout

russia, we need to get it, although i will tell you this, look, even here we were talking about the topic of permission for weapons to be used on the territory of russia, this is biden actually moved the or... the red lines closer to moscow, yes , there are already red lines on the territory of bilhorod oblast, as soon as we have the help of western partners on systems that will help us to hit even further, we will move the red lines further, but our task is to saturate, precisely to saturate the russian land with our drones and close it, to saturate our skies with western models of air defense, well, let’s say, we need this scaling, because otherwise, well , we won’t be able to hold much with the bodies of soldiers and... and we will then much harder. mr. mayor, a few words about mobilization, about how the pace of mobilization has changed. roman kostenko, colonel of the sbu and people's deputy of ukraine, says that as many people were mobilized in the last month as in the last six months. a war doesn't need

people who don't want to fight, so motivation should be the basis of recruiting. this is what the commander of the air reconnaissance unit says. terra as part of the third separate assault brigade mykola volokhov, he was with us on espresso, let's listen to what volokhov said. the main idea is to prepare a person and explain to him why he needs it. i will say more than that, in the war, people who do not want to fight, who do not know what they need it for, are actually not needed. you cannot force a person to fight, at least there will be very little benefit from it. what actually needs to be done and what we are doing in the third separate steering brigade. mr. major, what has changed in almost a month since these changes to the mobilization legislation came into force, what do you note, what your colleagues say, or

has something changed, i understand that without the clause about demobilization, well, it is obviously difficult to evaluate mobilization efforts, because this is also a very important element... mobilization, the question of demobilization, i know many people who say, well, when the summons comes, then i i will go, that is, i will not break myself, but i will go, they updated their data there, well, not in the tsk, but also delaying the deadline due to the reserve, because the reserve does not issue a summons to the vlk, but they already say that they will already issue a summons to the vlk through the reserve send, this is also an element that wheezes, that is, people are ready to defend the country in principle, but there are a lot of them, i know those who, for example, are less than... years old, they say, and we would go and sign a contract there, well, there i am 21 years old, i i am ready to sign a contract there for a year, for two, for three years to go to war, but then to become a moron, because i would like to be by the age of 25, as my mobilization age should be from 25, i would fight now, i would take an academician at the university for a year,

i would sign a contract and then i would come back and study, so as not to lose this one a possibility, i know a lot of such people, but it is unrealistic in our conditions according to this bad law, because... first of all, you don't, you won't go to further education after the end of the contract, because it will be passed on to you automatically, and well, as far as i understood it, maybe let me be corrected, who understood it better. in that law, well, as far as i understand, it will continue automatically, so you won't come home to study, and the most important thing is demobilization, if there is no demobilization, remember, there will be no recruiting, or there will be recruitment only among those who have decided to link their lives with the armed forces of ukraine and serve until retirement, until the age of 60, well, believe me, this is a slightly different story, and these are the things that kill them , you know. well, so to speak, this idea, such things kill the idea of ​​going voluntarily,

but on the other hand, i don't know about the amount, maryana bezogla once told us that we mobilize 30,000 a month, well, if you listen to roman's words kostenko, it turns out that they mobilized in six months during this period in more than six months, that's basically all, we already fulfilled zelensky's mobilization plans for this year, because they said that we don't need 500,000, we only need 300, well that is... it looks a little, well, sorry, but it looks a little absurd, either you name the numbers, or, or it's a little something 2 +2, i don't get five, i still get four. thank you, mr. major, for the conversation, it was major of the armed forces of ukraine, a special officer, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation, ihor lapin. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us there live, please subscribe. to our platforms and rather to our pages on these platforms and vote in our

poll, today we ask you about whether you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine on youtube, everything is quite simple, yes, no, if you look at tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you hope that the new composition of the parliament will support ukraine 0800 211381, no 0800 21138. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next , we will be in touch with mykhailo gonchar, president of the strategy 21 global studies center, energy expert. mr. mykhailo, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. good evening, i greet you. well, first of all, first of all, mr. mykhailo, how did you characterize the situation in which the ukrainian energy industry is now and the prospects for restoring ours. capacities, well, about the prospects for recovery,

i would only speak of a very long-term plan, and now we are talking about the restoration of what can be restored for a short period, meaning during the summer, the beginning of autumn, and here the prospects are not very encouraging either, and this must be understood and the question here the problem here is not only those shots that were equal. and throughout the end of march and until june 1st, and there is already an accumulated effect with the destruction of those destructions that were set during the autumn-winter period of 22-23 years, because if i see someone like that, where in someone has the illusion that everything that was there outside of last winter, so to speak, if it was restored there and somehow it worked there, no, actually no, because there were also serious destructions there and... and actually speaking, if we let's take into account the production cycle,

the production of the necessary equipment, if it was even ordered in time, then all this is calculated not in months, but in a year and a half, or even two, figuratively speaking, the equipment that was ordered at foreign facilities, after winter of the 23rd year. 22nd 23rd year, well, it is somewhere now should come and be, part of it was installed during this summer there until the beginning of the winter season, but new destruction was caused, and accordingly, a large part of the destroyed, it is simply not subject to any restoration, i am not talking about the fact that, for example, power units thermal power plants that were destroyed, and they were not just... old, but ancient, so there was no point in even blaming them, if

it was even, they went out of power by themselves. thus, we are facing a difficult period, and it will not only be in winter, but we feel it even now. the fact that we are now seeing a certain improvement is simply the result of the titanic work of the generating companies on those remnants of... the remaining capacities and the emperor ukrenergo, who are trying to quickly reinterpret all the lines in front of the electricity there in order to... ensure and industry and the household sector of electricity, well, we see that in principle, for example, on the example of kharkiv, where everything was totally destroyed, we see how it worked, which is not a joke when they say that in kharkiv better with energy supply than in kyiv, that's why

these are the realities, and from this point of view it is necessary to understand that the issue of ... restoring the resources of our generating capacities is now a matter of years, but not months. mr. mykhailo, since june 1 of this year , electricity tariffs have been increased to uah 4, 32 kopecks per kilowatt/hour, and prime minister shmyhal , on the air of the edyni novyni telethon, said that this tariff does not... cover the market the cost of electricity, let's listen to what the prime minister of ukraine said: market price the cost of electricity fluctuates today in the region of 7-8 hryvnias. we set a tariff of 4.32, based on the cheapest cost of energy atom and ukrhydroenergo, these are two state companies, plus

the cost of delivery to people from two components is also included, and this is actually the lowest cost. the cheapest electricity that we have in the state is currently available, we give it to the people, and in any case, the state pays about 90 billion hryvnias in order to ensure this non- market price for the population. the prime minister says that this tariff, which is fixed as of june 1, will be valid for one year and it is secured. subsidies, mr. mykhailo, can an increase in the price of electricity in some way help our power generating companies to recover, or is the question simply that in any case, the prices of electricity in ukraine should rise, because they are not in line, as ee shmygal says market

prices of electricity, well... well, it was clear from the very beginning, if even the year 19, when the law was adopted electricity and was supposed to work in half an hour, in six months, and the market was supposed to work, it didn't work, what they did is a pseudo-market or a quasi-market, everything is like that, it looks like a market, in fact it is not, and that's why such a populist platform of their government, it is as if... and it is only now, if traditionally, unfortunately, to provide the electorate with cheap energy resources, but now we see the reverse side, because it was necessary to gradually increase these tariffs, starting there from the year 20 -ho, this avoided in every possible way, and the problem remained

the same, so the tariff was increased, but again in much worse conditions. than what was there in the 20th or 21st year, and of course, this increase, well, it will undoubtedly contribute to some small extent there, but if it does not become some kind of panacea or magic wand that will allow you to get some cash flow there, decide the problems that arose in connection with the destruction of the generation, because those problems that arose are calculated in... billions and not in hryvnias, but if you count, billions of euros or dollars, but if no increase in tariffs would give such a cash flow, then one way or another it had to be done from the point of view of the approaches there, but the system remained unchanged, well, parasitism on

the energy atom will make its way, but the energy atom, again , is the same as it was and remains a milk cow, he... was not reformed in the spring way and in principle, and now if something is difficult from him, well, from the point of view of transitioning to some other principles of work, although it should be done, not even yesterday, but the day before yesterday, but we didn't go for it, so now it is we have those problems. the situation that arose in connection with the destruction caused to the energy system as a whole and heat generation significantly worsened. therefore, mr. mikhail, at the very end of our conversation, i would like to ask, well, we are somehow concentrating on what is happening in the energy industry,

electricity, of course, it is important, and people are worried about whether this electricity will be available and in what quantity and in what hours, but obviously we should talk about energy security in general and about gas and oil, because if in winter, for example, russia... will stop supplying ukraine, or rather, as far as i understand, contracts with european countries in russia are ending there, and russian gas will not pass through the territory of ukraine, what will be in ukraine, will we have enough opportunities for to overwinter with limited opportunities, or should the government talk and see this problem more comprehensively not... not only energy, not only electricity, but also gas and oil, well, i hope that they see it in a complex way, well first of all, already this winter

we only used our own gas, and unfortunately this is not a reason to be proud, but we have not imported russian gas at all since 2015, so if there was transit, there would be no transit, well, we are certain that problems they will not, but they were preparing for this, and even in earlier times, for the operation of the gas transportation system in conditions without transit, and transit is not needed now under these circumstances, moreover, in russia, it is on the objects of the underground gas storage system in the lviv region, namely by this they show that if e is important for them, an important achievement for the aggressor, er... military and political goals, and therefore the strikes are not only on the electric power system, but on our fuel system, that is, the

distribution system of oil products, oil depots, they began to destroy them already, actually from the end of february 2022 , and continue to do it where they see that something is functioning, so there is no need to have any illusions about their further intentions. strikes are simple, well, in principle, we also act accordingly, because our strikes on their gas processing plants are precisely their weak point, a vulnerable point, and so it also needs to continue, it's an important point from the point of view of deterring the enemy, but if we see that, well, they have that arsenal of tools that we lack, hopefully for now in order to act more ... powerfully in response and so in a way to stop these intentions, which have not just

been indicated, but are being implemented, and it has simply reached the most critical point in the electric power industry, so there is a really difficult, difficult winter period ahead, but the summer period will also be quite problematic, but we are already ... tempering. thank you, mr. michael, you for talking. it was mykhailo gonchar, president of the strategy 21 center for global studies, an energy expert. friends, i remind you that we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms for those who are currently watching us on these platforms. please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. today we ask you about the following: do you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will support ukraine? yes, no, everything is quite on youtube. just like that no or your own opinion, please write in the comments, and if you watch us on tv, take your smart phone or phone and vote if you hope that the new composition of the european parliament will

support ukraine (0800-211-381), no 0.800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program , we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with viktor boberenko, an expert of the bureau of policy analysis, a political expert. mr. viktor, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good for you health. i am glad to see and hear from you, and i hope that it is quiet, calm in sumy, well, at least if you are on the air, let's hope that, whatever, everything is okay. this is also an indicator and a sign for us. yes, i am now, not in sumy, in one of the border communities, well, actually near-frontline communities and... everything is calm here at the moment, sumyshchyna is holding on, sumyshchyna, well, the armed forces of ukraine are protecting sumyshchyna, but sumyshchyna is also fighting, because ...

people, and 17 of the 51st communities in the sumy region are actually on the verge of a collision on the front line, and many the communities have to be shelled very hard every day, but sumy is holding on, it is important that all of ukraine knows, all of ukraine knows and heard you, and of course it would be good if europe heard and knew about it, because the last four days have been happening. elections to the european parliament and the center-right european people's party, which supports ukraine, will become the largest political group in the new convocation, it will represent 186 meps out of 720, the progressive alliance of socialists and democrats remains in second and third place and the liberal block renewing europe, at the same time somewhat strengthened the positions of the right-wing forces. leader of the european people's party.

pro-ukrainian for a strong europe, let's listen, announced that she is going to create a broad what actually ursula fonderley said. my goal is to continue this path together with those who are pro-european, pro-ukrainian and pro-rule of law, and already tomorrow this work begins again, summing up, of course, these elections do not take place in a vacuum, forces from outside and inside are trying to destabilize. by the way, the president of france after the election failure, emmanuel macron announced that he was dissolving the national assembly and calling early parliamentary elections for june 30 and july 7. the far-right national union party scored twice as much as macron's party. in russia, everyone is there.

they are trying to present these elections to the european parliament as the failure of scholz and macron, but ursula fondern's exit, she could talk, probably, not only that she will form a pro-ukrainian majority, because this is also an indicator, in fact, in the european parliament there will be the pro-ukrainian majority talks about it ursula fonderjaen, how do you assess these results, mr. viktor, and will putin's wish come true, or his... dreams that europe will reconsider its attitude to the war in russia against ukraine and will influence the fact that european countries, european politicians will support ukrainians less. let's put it this way, together we are fighting a war in military terminology: putin has advanced on the political fronts in europe, but putin has not won, this is

just an advance, it is not... a breakthrough, and the european establishment must understand and the only conclusion to be drawn from this is that populist slogans worked and are working in europe, but it is more profitable for russia to invest in the destabilization of the internal agenda in europe, it is cheaper than russia, it is much cheaper. than to invest in tanks and war, and russia knows these methods, let's say, this is the only war where they work successfully, and this is a bell for the european establishment, because yes, there are some leftists there, there are leftist departments in european universities, but in general , let's say, in that

from... ukraine or admiration for russia - it's e some things are marginal, and if those marginals go, let's say, beyond their margin and count on something, achieve something, then this is a failure of smart people, really smart people, because smart people in europe, you can't be smart and not understand. that russia is the main security threat to the security of europe, and that if ukraine falls, war in europe is inevitable, inevitable, and it is necessary for everyone to tell that people are good, you will fight for ukraine, and for ukrainian boys and girls, yours will fight children, your children.