that the content, spirit, and text of the conference should be the ultimate position of the civilized world against the moscow führer, his clique and the military. the ultimate position, i insist on this, so that it becomes clear to everyone what to say to a criminal, an international criminal, who steals children, who deals and makes decisions, which have... signs of genocide in relation to the ukrainian people and everything the population of ukraine and so on, it is unacceptable, there is only one way to solve problems with such people, well and so on, in including the speeches that should be at the conference, they should be filled with appropriate content, including continue to work on the continuation of the activity of this conference, or requalify it? permanent

conference and so on, in order for it to be able to work, including decisions that are related to, well, say, related to the holding of an international tribunal, here, let's say, the decision of the international criminal court to issue an arrest warrant putin, it exists, but they are beginning to forget about him, no, there is no need for him to forget, one must remember and one must do everything to ensure that this decision is implemented and so on, that is, the decision of the un general assembly is binding, one must remember it and one must do everything to ensure that it is implemented, and not make a decision and they forgot, because then it doesn't matter in principle which body makes this decision, it will still not be implemented, hence there should be order in this case, the decision should be made, it should be implemented, including by the general assembly. his

conference, which will be held, and it is needed to adhere to, for this it is necessary to create not only papers and write, but also mechanisms that would ensure their implementation. this is roughly what i would, say, suggest from the point of view of holding this conference, and once you've gone for it, you should get the most out of it. what you say, roman petrovich, means that russia will never be at this conference in switzerland, that is , here... there can be no two opinions, and yet our western partners are somehow trying to lead us to think that sooner or later we are late will have to agree on something there, at the same time we see how beijing, through the mouth of foreign minister vanya, says that they have a plan, a peace plan for ukraine, and they are ready to hold an almost alternative meeting there, and apparently... this will

be pushed by beijing, the kremlin, and that there should be some alternative to this, because in principle, what is happening in switzerland in a few days is a loud slap in the face of russia in general, no matter what, no matter how this forum ends or the summit, no matter what not over, but it's a humiliation and putin and lavov and in general, people are showing that they do not want to see them there yet. it was desirable that they were never seen there at all, how likely is it that moscow, beijing will manage to increase the circle of supporters around them from the south, from the global south, and the countries that are part of the brics, and groups that can be formed as collective is such a collective anti... ukraine,

when is trying to prove something to ukraine, to say that there is, there is another plan for peace, and not only zelensky? first, you must always show that both moscow and beijing are big liars, but when you asked the question, you said that they were going to hold some alternative summits peace, i will tell you what it is, the plans were for a meeting in moscow brics, which appears to be... alternative the peace plan, no, this is the brics meeting, which has a specific work plan, now regarding the peace plan and the meeting in beijing, and there should be a meeting of the shanghai cooperation organization of the sco, which is also for some reason presented as a meeting on problems and questions peace, and one more thing, mr. serhiy, i understand that you and i... will not convince these

ministers who jump out like roosters and crow about the fact that it is absolutely necessary for russia to be at the meeting, especially that some of them, such as orban, they simply carry out the tasks of moscow, but i sat with them at the table, negotiated, i spoke with him, with them, i understand very well that no one has already agreed with moscow, on anything, no perhaps, moreover, they will do everything in order to use any meeting as a tool to get you obloposhit, or you will be put in a situation where... you will be attacked by force, and you will a priori lose this match and so on. from this, it is obvious that in the current situation there is only one correct way, it is for the democratic forces to gather strength, form a joint

command, support all this with the defense-industrial complex and achieve victory, because victory in a duel with the führer and his followers... maybe only surrender, everything else, it will look like a temporary respite. remember how many of us were fed, then putin was sick, then he was there he has a runny nose, then he has diarrhea, then he has scrofula, and so on. all this is aimed at only one thing, to fool the world. and yes, so far certain ministers, so far certain prime ministers do not understand, do not understand, or do not want to understand, or you? fulfill the will of moscow, that they will agree with moscow on nothing now, and therefore there is only one way forward. friends, i remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are now watching us live on youtube and

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will take place in a month, this is the anniversary summit of the north atlantic alliance in washington, on the eve of this summit in its means... mass information in the west appeared reports that the leaders of the nato member countries are telling zelenskyi not to raise the issue of ukraine's accession to nato at this summit. biden reflected on the fact that nato is not yet ready for ukraine, and he said that he was always against the natoization of ukraine and... in the context of this, is it already clear that together with the european union, ukraine will also be a member of the north -atlantic alliance, can it be considered that the statements made a year ago in vilnius are a confirmation that sooner

or later this will happen, if not on anniversary summit in washington, then ukraine will receive an invitation to the alliance at the next summit. mr. serhiy, i am convinced that ukraine will be a member of nato, and i am convinced that the decisions that will be made in washington will be much stronger and bigger than what is being discussed now, because what is described, the discussions that are currently being held, the statements of secretary general stoltenberg, they say that nato, first of all, is preparing a separate path for ukraine's accession to... which will be individual, which is outside the framework of the procedures that were usually used by nato and used in relation to other partners, and i ask you, please, let's all pay attention, even a year or a half ago

, ursula funderlein never said that, what ukraine has done, today ukraine is needed by the european union, i am convinced that that she is exactly like that. very quickly nato will become necessary, so it is obvious that these processes will accelerate, they will accelerate due to the fact that the west, the united states of america will increasingly... even more understand and realize what the russian fuhrer is regime, and what a heroic role ukraine plays in the current situation, when it gives the opportunity to enter, gives a pause to the event to prepare for confrontation, for war with russia, because no one can stop it already in the current situation, it is moving with straight sails as if to... continental, and before the global war. another thing is that there is no general understanding

that this movement should be stopped as soon as possible. and the actual decision regarding the speed of nato, ukraine's accession to nato, it is connected with the awareness of this danger for europe and world from russia, which produces this danger very quickly. at the current stage, it is important that... the nato summit in washington ends with a multiple, multiple increase in aid to ukraine, military aid, to help with armored vehicles, ammunition, including the equipment that was promised, aircraft and other units of combat equipment that ukraine desperately needs , including the formation of an answer to the question that is related to the help of... personnel, starting from trainers who could train ukrainian units,

ending with special groups, including those that would be involved, say, in patrolling, patrolling the northern border, which to date does not have the character of hostilities, and so on. in fact, to date, all these parliamentary measures have been developed a long, long time ago, and it so happened that in this situation, from the internal conjunctural american positions, washington cannot say yes, although the time has not yet come, and in order to realize this there is still time before the summit itself, so we need to get as much as possible from this summit, and this is as much as possible lies in the help, the maximum help ukraine needs in the war against the racist regime, you have already mentioned... that putin and russia are inevitably rolling towards a continental war, and are going to this

continental war, about this, by the way, so the former head of the cia, david petraeus, also speaks, he says that he is warning the west that putin does not intend to stop at ukraine, and his victory will mean a war against nato. in an interview with zsan, he said: "the war in ukraine can spread." for the entire region if putin succeeds in ukraine, he will not stop at ukraine, moldova will obviously be next, after that it could be lithuania or one of the other baltic countries, what the former head of the cia says is somehow similar to the scenario that putin has in his cabinet, literally several days ago... in normandy they celebrated the 80th anniversary of the landing of the allies in the fight against

hitler's germany, and i don't know if it is possible to draw any analogies with what happened in 44 and what can happen there in 25 26 years, i'm not talking about the 24th, but you as a historian can definitely say whether or not it's similar to what... was 80 years ago, and can we expect a second front to be opened against russia in this unjust war. mr. sergey, well, if you draw such parallels, then today we are still on the eve of the first world war, and if you remember how long the world was swaying then, especially during the balkan wars, everyone believed... that it would absolutely not have no threat, no threat to

europe, in fact, it became just the beginning of the first world war, which further caused the balkans to catch fire, and then the whole europe, as well as the final point of the first world war, the paris conference itself laid the foundation for the second world war, so if you look at the logic of today's decision. which are accepted by many world leaders, the first thing i can say is that they did not teach history like that, secondly, if we talk about the actions taken by the same people, then they look more like people who continue to live in that pre-war period and do not feel of this threat, which today hangs over the world, and the voices are like petraeus or others other military personnel who understand the situation, who, by the way, are also wrong, because the expansion of the combat zone will begin

not only and not so much because... the terrorist will succeed in capturing ukraine, zusky, but he will succeed in capturing ukraine, and actually this the reason will be that this paranoid person will start moving to the baltic states or somewhere else. pay attention to these sporadic statements about the f-16. if the planes are placed in europe, then their locations will be targets for attack. and things like that, what does it say? about there is no ability. objectively assess the situation, and if so, then this means that the decision is made on the basis of psychopathic impulsive actions, and similar exacerbations can be expected anywhere and at any time, including with the use of operations under a foreign flag or the beginning of wars or hostilities actions in any point of the planet, the planet earth,

so the situation is very unpleasant, and the first thing to do is to at least listen to people like petraeus, who is able to understand what a combat confrontation is, and what are its prospects, and whether it is possible to assess what is happening on the battlefield from the point of view of peacetime assessment, when extremity and tension sometimes reach such a level that it is possible to make an objective decision, even more so to expect objectivity from such figures as putin and... his clique is simply, well , erroneously a priori inadmissible, here one must act on the basis of preventive preventive actions. moreover, i can say that these things that we often hear, including from president biden, including from president macron, chancellor scholz not about the need to act in response - this is

a big mistake. in the conditions of the current high-speed war, priority should be given to preventive, prejudicial steps, especially since today, in relation to the person and the state, which has proven its criminal actions, there is nothing to go through with the methods of preventive measures. about preventive measures, today ihor terikhov, the mayor of kharkiv, spoke on the sidelines of the berlin conference on the restoration of ukraine and spoke about the fact that the strikes of the ukrainian army. on missile launch positions on the territory of russia helped to reduce the number of russian shelling of the city. let's hear what terehu said? as far as i know, there were hits, it was at puskavy, which was shelling the city of kharkiv, this is very significant for us, and we see that this break in the shelling, in my opinion, is also connected

with the fact that there was a successful hit in... the equipment that fired at kharkiv. roman petrovich, our western partners have been debating for quite a long time whether to provide weapons that will hit the territory of russia or not. biden said that americans allow ukrainians to use their weapons for a distance of 200 miles, that is 320 km deep into the russian federation, how likely is it to create this security zone on the border of ukraine and russia in this 3-kilometer zone, how likely is it to create this sanitary zone, which was once so putin dreamed, but he wanted to do it on the territory

of ukraine. can we create such a zone, and will it protect ukraine for some time from. e entry of russian troops into the territory of ukraine and shelling of artillery and s-300, s-400. well, uh, such questions are definitely better to ask specialists, military personnel, they understand better. i want to just answer and comment, uh, answer that question, just like, like a politician. the fact is that at the current stage of the conversation on this topic, they testify that... well, such persons as the führer, it is clear, they are not capable of objectively assessing the situation, and such decisions are possible before implementation at the moment ... when there is a stalemate, the so-called stable trench warfare, when the parties are entrenched, they do not move to one side or the other, the dynamic war that exists now

does not, in principle, allow such a factor, and this was clear even when this bald moscow führer began to speak on this topic, because in fact, if we talk about the range of the attack today, then the front lines as such there is no on earth. because you see from what distance missiles are launched on the territory of ukraine, which even reach the western borders, and this is no less a threat than armored vehicles and everything else from the point of view of offensive actions, in this case, you just need the right tactics, in my opinion from the point of view of this discussion, which is being conducted and it will not die in any way, to shoot, not to shoot, and so on. further, she is headless, thoughtless, stupid, but to the point of madness, in this case only one question needs an answer, it is strategy and tactics, and

strategy and tactics that would be provided with all the necessary resources, let us, mr. serhiy, think about it, what strategy is being developed by the general staff of ukraine, or together with partners, how can it be ensured when... the resource provision of all these operations, tactics and strategies, it is limping on all legs, which can only be imagined in this process, if such a need arises, to strike, then it must be done, if one has to defend one's own territory, then it must be provided with anti-missile and anti-aircraft defense systems, whether it is irist or other models of air defense systems, but they must work , including on... offensive and defensive battles, the tactics of conducting them are a matter for the headquarters, and they should decide how, when and what to do? when politicians start talking about this topic and

telling stories, you shoot there and you don't shoot there, but in parallel in the information the american general on duty tells the audience how brilliant the ukrainian military is, that they accurately fire on the enemy's territory, while having... a shortage of these systems, and they do it so skillfully, well, it is clear that some people are able to understand this, but in such an informational nightmare, where there is no understanding of strategy and tactics, it simply leads to an informational pun, and it begins to play the role of such an informational and psychological war, because the same biden and the same macron or anyone or the prime minister, decide , no will take and i can be baptized, i can say this, they will not take up to determine where, from what and how to shoot, because they are as military as i am, and why

should the president of the united states of america secretly give or not give permission to shoot, well from where he can answer this question, and just as the secretary of state says that we do not prohibit, we recommend not to do it and so on, from my ... from this point of view, the answer lies in the strategy, the tactics of conducting this war, achievement of intermediate perspective goals whole, medium-term and long-term, then we can say that, where and how it can be applied, at the same time it must be understood that the troops must be provided with everything necessary in order to conduct successful combat operations, but our western partners say that we we will never allow... the defeat of ukraine, because the defeat of ukraine will mean our, our defeat, but we have repeatedly talked about this with you on the air,

but our western partners do not say that they want the defeat of russia, that is, is it possible to prevent the defeat of ukraine without inflicting the defeat of russia without demilitarizing. without denazifying russia as it is. mr. serhiy, until the time when the president of france, the president of the united states of america, the prime minister of great britain are heard from the lips, not the word defeat or victory, the word win or lose, everything that will be done, i will evaluate as not quite adequate. pay attention to how you phrased the question correctly, they are talking about defeat, well, what do they say about defeat, then cooperation, help

is a joint action. or whatever she has match the meaning of this word. victory over the racist regime, i.e. the defeat of the racist regime, not the words: play, lose, win, let them play football, be it european, be it american, whatever, but this is war, and in order to ensure victory in this war , victory, and for the enemy to ... half a defeat, for this , appropriate provision is necessary, including an attack on the enemy's territory, and if there is no such attack, then what kind of defeat can the enemy talk about in such a situation? because one of the conditions for waging war, which was written in xiongza's treatises, there is a transfer of the war to the territory of the enemy. well, but, i hope

that after all our western partners will concentrate on the fact that putin should be defeated, that is, er, what do you think is holding back our partners, talking about his defeat, well, no, no, not a banal answer, nuclear weapons that putin has? well, come on, i would put the same nuclear weapons in the first place. and lack of understanding of the role it plays, but if we answer the question, what prevents active actions, the answer lies on the surface, actually this is the position of that, the electoral position of the voter, and on this position some, like orbán and fico, parasitize, some, stuck in the election

campaign, as in the united states of america must say what it says, some , how many world leaders simply hid under the bed, somehow stuck there and sit, wait for him to talk, make noise, make noise and so on, and some just pretend that he ignores this situation, this is approximately how the picture looks like , but the thing is it's not about someone or someone, the fact is that in the current... international relations there are leaders and there are those who are allies of these leaders, the situation depends on the position, first of all, of washington, the position of berlin, the position of london, paris, and the coherence of actions between these leaders actually forms both the agenda and the rules for answering the question, can such a question be formed, maybe, but at the same time

it is necessary to show a certain... will and, first of all, to convince one's own electorate that such solutions are absolutely necessary, and secondly, they are not to reflect on political events, as he did, in particular macron after the elections to the european parliament, we must conclude, roman petrovich, thank you for the conversation, it was politician and diplomat roman bezsmertny, friends, throughout the broadcast we conduct a survey, we ask you about is it permissible to criticize the government during the war 91% yes, 9% no. ahead of you is a news release from our partners from the bbc, then in 15 minutes we will have oleksandr merezhko rosvitla pavlenko and yaroslav yurchyshyn, people's deputies of ukraine, on the air, wait, or rather, stay with us, i'll be back in 15 minutes.

at least seven patriots are needed to protect ukrainian cities from russian attacks and to rebuild at least part of the destroyed energy sector by winter. such very specific needs of kyiv were voiced in... in berlin at the conference on the restoration of ukraine, where representatives of more than fifty countries gathered. what do they promise to help with? we talk about this on the bbc, live from london, i'm yevgenia shedlovska. international partners know the needs of ukraine, they are not new and extremely urgent. now one of the key is how to protect energy facilities and restore destroyed ones. we will talk about energy in detail a little later, and now about the conference in berlin, where they will discuss.