this is the kerch ferry crossing, these are the ships, amphibious ships and transport vessels of the black sea fleet, with which the enemy is trying to deliver ammunition, fuel , etc., to the occupied crimea, there is a whole complex of objects that, uh, that simply need to be neutralized, well, that's it such a safari is fun before yes. and yesterday, mr. pavle, it became known that the ukrainian gourmand destroyed a russian tugboat in lake pangolyu, crimean tatar, and panova, and what is more interesting here is not that the tugboat was destroyed, because it was completely crossed, but rather that ukrainian naval drones have already overcome these russian ban barriers, which we understand are still in novorossian ports and other ports, russia

is hiding its ships, does this mean that everything, that is, these russian ban barriers are no longer working, and our naval drones can get any russian ships in the ports of akyaru or the ports of novorossiysk? well, not quite . bon barriers are a kind of nets that are placed above the surface of the water on such buoys, and which for... prevent surface targets from moving in one direction or another water area, if you look around sevastopol, for example, it is not only the entrance to the sevastopol bay, but there are also several in the southern bay, in several rows, barrier barriers are also on the northern side, so what the enemy traditionally considers such a defense system the most optimally. well, in a complex

with anti-sabotage measures, boats, helicopters patrolling the sea, our guys tried to break through these barrier barriers, and really broke through, and to say that 100% success is not true, of course, first of all, because to break through, that's how cumulative strike, someone has, one drone has to punch. to sacrifice oneself by breaching the barrier, the second and others are already breaking into the closed water area, nevertheless , remember the regular raids in the sevastopol bay, which had their result, the enemy is trying to improve this system, well, for example, the same notorious crimean bridge has already been exposed.. .barges

are fenced or whatever you want to call them, that is, instead of these buoys, there are whole old rusty barges that you have to pass through, well, it is of course also possible to hit such an iron, but how long will it sink, so it is obvious that this method of protection can, well, from the point of view of reliability, maybe even better. but somewhere you will collect a barge, well, actually, let them collect, we will destroy everything in a row in different ways, the enemy invents new, new methods of defense, we invent new methods of defeating and bypassing it, they tried to use helicopters there at the sea crossing to destroy our drones, drones began to be fitted with anti-aircraft missiles.

we install rszzo systems if necessary for remote damage to the coast, so we are developing, we will achieve our goal anyway. well, it's really interesting, regarding the russian system of jamming our naval drones, last week they did it 32 times, this was an unprecedented case when they raised aviation in the sky to destroy our naval drones, and on the other hand , we understand that group 13 they always... and they modify our sea babies and so on, but still, as you think, the russians have already come up with such a countermeasure system against our sea drones, or not, yet until they don't understand how to counteract it, well, they are always inventing, and this is natural, when a new means of defeat appears, they look for ways to counteract it, mainly by... they do, it's

such a pretty classic old , let's recall, net barriers, boom barriers, search and destroy patrols, uh, all in the sea, that is, this is such a traditional anti-sabotage, anti-sabotage defense, but our uh, drone operators, and not only drone operators, observe new ways of protecting the enemy, and find tactical techniques, them bypass, uh, find ways to break through such enemy defenses, we have already given several examples, and there is not only this, it is ... electronic warfare and the complex use of air and sea drones, so for now in this competition, as sailors they call fire and armor, our fire is winning, so it is obvious that the russians, well, if

this is not panic, then i do not know what, actually, instead of carrying out tasks as intended, one single task that... remains in the black sea fleet of russia, it is to save ourselves, well, if we are already tugboats neutralize, then soon there will be no watercraft left at all, only passenger ones in the occupied crimea, but i would like to say about the article that appeared in the authoritative british edition of the economist, which actually talks about what... makes crimea such a trap for the russian troops and for the russians, with the strikes that are now destroying and blocking the ferry crossings across the kerch strait, and with future strikes

on the kerch bridge, we are sure, crimea will simply turn into a territory where many enemy force and... enemy means, why is this being done, what can ukraine then do with it, start some negotiations at this stage so that they leave the peninsula unarmed, for example, or simply neutralize this channel for the supply of weapons and power the eastern front, how do you see this picture, why are we turning crimea into a pasture for the russians, and they themselves turned it. as a matter of fact, there are soviet-russian officers, and not only pro-russian ones, so to speak, the legend was that who owns the sevastopol crimea and sevastopol, which dominates the black sea, well, it is possible, it was real there somewhere in the 17th,

maximum 18th century, when there were sailing ships, a wind rose, etc., and... for our time, when the black sea, it is already with such speeds, distances, became a problem, small, uh, it doesn’t work anymore, and crimea remained only a threat for a possible fight against ukraine, well, in the 14th year, before the 14th year, it was we who said that if russia is climbing towards us in the crimea, so actually this is the first stage, the conquest of ukraine, but in the crimea there is a gap, even two, these are isthmuses, this, this islet, in fact, is connected to the mainland by two, two such necks, this is the chongary

trench, which, if you put a cork there, then , strictly speaking, it... becomes uh a closed vessel, well, on the other hand, they are now another crossing, this is the kerch ee transport crossing, the same, the crimean bridge, the same port-crimea-port caucasus crossing, if you cut it and logistics on the ee on the kerch strait, then, strictly speaking, crimea becomes a suitcase without a handle, on the contrary. he not only helps in attacks on the mainland, only burdens the one, its owner, precisely because of this , the russians already realizing that such an ass is sneaking up on them, they are trying to lay

a railway right in the war zone in the south of ukraine. so, the ukrainian military chose the most optimal way. this is actually such an operation to prepare the combat space, a planning operation, as our partners are called. in the armed forces, on the isolation of the crimean peninsula, what will happen to him with the enemy garrison, with the enemy group in crimea, i don't know, i don't really care, well, as history shows, they have chersonese, i mean no, the ancient greek place chersonese, but the city of chersonese, and we are from chersonese in sevastopol, uh, where. those fleeing from the crimea usually huddle together,

that’s a uaelkom, well, it’s another matter, actually, those who came to the crimea with the invaders, i would advise you to use the crimean bridge, return to varkuta and naryanmar, so as not to end up in such a trap, well, when we say... about the deoccupation of crimea, and about the operation related to its deoccupation, a lot of experts and even the leader of the crimean tatar of the people, mustafa dzhemiv said that the destruction of the kokhovskaya gest by the russian occupiers, a year ago, this happened, as you know, it, well, let's say this, unfortunately contributed in a very bad way to the fact that our offensive stopped regarding the rooster. the southern direction and the crimean direction, is it really so, as you think,

how much the destruction of the kokhovskaya hydroelectric power station by the russian occupiers affected our offensive in the southern direction and, of course, crimea, well, it’s really not a secret anymore, here i completely agree with mustafa aguyu, ee in 23- in the year of arms forces of ukraine were planning an offensive from... the direction of kherson, in the direction of chaplynka , kalanchak, there to crimea, it was the shortest route, and apparently the russians knew about our plans, some moles, these spies, they reported something to them, and they used it they are such a barbaric way to disrupt our planning, well, it must be understood that not only the liberation of crimea. they failed, they demonstrated that crimea is actually for them, as

a place where people should live, where people should live comfortably, people are not needed at all, together with the kakhovsky reservoir, they devastated in fact, the canal in the northern crimea, which eventually provided water for crimea for many decades, made it a fertile land, and just like when returning. crimea to ukraine, he would continue his work, so what were the enemies trying to achieve, well, actually they don't need us or our people, and even i'm not sure that they don't need land, but they need such a martian landscape, which would they would sit like a dog on seeds, but in fact they only need military units there in the crimea. everything else is scenery and hostages for them, we remember how in the 14th year, when the invasion of crimea developed, they

actually used the civilian population as hostages and put them in front of their armed men, when they captured and stormed ukrainian military units, the same is true now, is there not a risk that, okay, we will still be able to surround crimea, deprive of his connection with... russia, and there will remain many armed russians and at the same time many ukrainian citizens who will be hostages in such a situation, on the one hand, i understand that these are our ears, and this is a partisan movement, a movement the resistance, on the other hand, these are also hostages, these are our people who found themselves in such a difficult situation, how to be here is a really difficult question, and... our representatives of the authorities, their military, warn the people of crimea, in

particular now about the fact that it is better to leave the dangerous areas, due to the fact that this zone is a promising zone of hostilities, and return there when the war wave has already receded from this theater, if the crimeans who are watching... the situation in ukraine from time to time time open a map of air alarms, they see ukraine with two, well, with two red , constantly red... spots on their land, red spots of constant air danger, this is luhansk oblast and the autonomous republic of crimea, this is such a signal that at any moment, any time , there may be, there may be, it may be dangerous there, so this is

our signal to the civilian population of crimea, which is loyal to ukraine. to provide your families with protection, if there is an opportunity, leave the peninsula, at least women, children, and if there is an opportunity to move away from russian military units, where will obviously fly in and where there may be shooting battles at some time, then also move to other areas, at least to other areas, so thank you. thank you very much, mr. pavle, for taking the time to join our broadcast, see you, pavlo lakiychuk, head of the security program of the strategy 21 center for global studies, was on the air of the bereber together program in ukrainian, this is a joint project of the tv channel and the atr tv channel. we will part with you for a moment and meet again here

with another guest. journalist who joined to the armed forces, a political expert who became a special officer. taras berezovyts in a new project on espresso. the real front is a thorough analysis of the main events. reports, comments of leading specialists and experts. analytics from the major of the armed forces. how to make sense of disturbing news and distinguish truth from hostile propaganda. the real front program with taras berezovets every saturday at 21:30 on espresso. hello, congratulations, i'm andrii yanitskyi, gulsum khalilova, my colleague in the studio, this is a joint, joint bereber project, or together in ukrainian, a joint project of espresso and the crimean tatar tv channel atr, and today in the second part of the program we will talk with iskander bariyev, the head of the crimean tatar resource center. mr. iskander, congratulations, greetings aleykum,

sendrog. good day, glory to ukraine. salaam. good day. and eskendraga, well, if we talk about the results of this week and what happened on the territory of the temporarily occupied peninsula, what would you define this week as violations of human rights on the peninsula, because i, for example, i know that recently russia has been focusing on the so-called saboteurs and terrorists in crimea, and almost every week they detain so-called terrorists, saboteurs who are planning some kind of operations there with the help of the armed forces of ukraine or gurmo of ukraine, terrorist attacks on the territory of akhyar and other corners of the crimea, what would you say? well, first of all, i want to say that they are really trying, or continuing to persecute our compatriots, they are persecuting such articles as sabotage, espionage and

involvement in the battalion named after noman chilibijahan. as for... the video that you're showing, well, first of all, so far it's our opinion that it's a staged video in order to, well , scare people more, and because, well, really, if we're going to talk , as they provided information, they arrested people who were allegedly and were previously considered to be involved. as melitopol citizens, who, five melitopol citizens, who were previously convicted in the russian federation for terrorism, and that they cooperated with the special services there of ukraine, but in general, when we talk about the fact that they are doing, well, it's true, it's the searches, it's the continued persecution

of citizen journalists, it's the arrests, and here i would say more... about the fact that they still continue to persecute the representatives of the crimean tatar people, and not all the information we are talking about now can be public, because the relatives of these people, well , they really ask us not to talk about it out loud yet, because they interested in getting them released first, iskinder, and why is this being done, i remember that in the 14th year there were similar stories, when, well, then... even non-russian law enforcement officers, the so-called occupying forces, even some volunteer brigades of theirs, captured some people, they were accused of preparing terrorist attacks, i remember there at the new post office in okear in sevastopol, they took out some

shields, like the ones used by the protesters on the maidan, and claimed that it was almost some kind of weapon, although it is clear that the shield was on the contrary , it is used for defense, not for attack, and then it felt like that incitement, including through the tv channel here... of this russian citizen chaly nts, there was such a kind of panic , panic, such moods, fears that the local population was afraid of the so-called friendship trains from kyiv and or some people from bandera, nazis and so on, but now why for them it is this panic and this fear, well, first of all, when we talk about the 14th year and if about... analyzing all these processes, i myself completely agree that it is necessary to analyze so that we can speak clearly about the dynamics, about their condition, about

their toolkit that they use, so the 14th year is really the period when they did not have, let's say, official village structures on the territory of the temporarily occupied crimea, and they tried to use the so -called defense forces there, the forces of .. protection there are popular wives and so on, although we understand that it was exactly representatives of the fsb, representatives of rural structures of the russian federation who took part in all these wives, in addition, they did it, as in the newly occupied territories, let's say, without, let's say, does not provide institutions for the protection of human rights, that is, it is meant when later... a prosecutor's office system, a police system there, and a system of judges are created there so that every citizen or resident can apply and

demonstrate, and for this, they did it in order to, and by the way, they repeated it already in the newly occupied territories, it also happened in the territory of kherson region, zaporizhzhia region, and in order to really, let's say, intimidate people and so that... there was no pro-ukrainian civil movement, then they are already creating a so -called law enforcement system, and now including systems have already appeared in the territory of the kherson region, they made a genetic court, and here are just such, well, is it good or bad, that is precisely the question, yes on the one hand, let's say, when we talk about civilian hostages, that is, these people who are not... belong to the category of prisoners of war and do not belong to political prisoners, why? because they are located without a court, without a court decision, without any such decisions, well,

the occupation system of the occupation authorities for that it is possible to use these documents, why are they detained or kept in the cities of freedom, are they basements , or are there some kind of prisons, and from this side, we can say that this is here for human rights defenders... the opportunity to protect people in the territory of the temporarily occupied kherson region, on the other hand, they are trying to demonstrate to the international community that they will create all these institutions, and here we have to understand that, as far as crimea is concerned, at this time in 10 years they really created these institutions, but despite all this, we see a different approach, and first of all, in relation to the representatives of the indigenous crimean tatar people, when... after the decision of the un international court of justice, they started more and intensified the persecution of representatives of the midjliz korultai system, and in this way they try

to intimidate people, well, i i think it is more related to the fact that for them, they have been creating all the institutions of the security forces , the fsb and other things for 10 years, and they still can't. they cannot cope with the fact that they are from crimea anyway information goes to the competent authorities of ukraine, to the ukrainian armed forces, where the armed forces of the russian federation are located, whether there are military facilities or new facilities of any kind, they cannot, let's say , control the situation when they provide information about explosions, video footage , etc., and therefore very important for them. and among them, they still have not been able to fully take control when such purely civil resistance appears, when we are talking about

phenomena from there. say, the colors of the ukrainian flag, are there yellow ribbons or other such symbols of ukrainian or crimean tatar symbols or liberets kremia, it is very important for them that they intimidate people more in this way, so that, let's say, the number of people who could be brought under complete control later , it was possible to control more, and besides... the main thing i would like to say is that they do it this way, they come at night and conduct searches or kidnap a person, this is happening in crimea now, then they promise that they will release, people try not to talk about it out loud, they really fire, but under what conditions, we still don't know, and in this way i think they are trying to spread

the system, let's say... or knocking, or reporting information, does it reduce the circle of people who can create resistance, and that is why i think that this is exactly the purposeful policy of the occupiers. well, you know, i wonder what the russian occupiers want from teenagers. recently, the crimean tatar resource center reported that during the occupation of crimea , at least 28 cases of persecution of for... adults, well, do i understand correctly, is this more an administrative case or another, why are minors detained in crimea, for what cases, what are they charged with? well , first of all, when we talk about society, about the future in this or that society, and in general, we focus on youth, on youth, on teenagers, as they perceive, and indeed we are witnesses of how actively they are engaged.

politicians, but with all this, when there are teenagers who use other sources, who try to create, well shoot a video there, or make some kind of show, we understand that teenagers and young people are more of such maximalists, and they try to do what they can. to do and right here is very, let's say, dangerous for them, i would say, and these are indicators of the fact that among the youth they tried to educate and are trying to educate, teenagers appear who do not take their position, and in here they are, well, first of all, they really try to intimidate parents, they open administrative cases or in relation to

teenagers themselves or in relation to parents, and in this way they try, well, let's say, to educate another part of the youth and their teenage children, in order to demonstrate that they are in control of the situation and that there will be fines or administrative arrests, which in this way , including pressure on parents to prevent them from these processes, and therefore when we see... 28 cases, in my opinion, this is a lot, because this is what they recorded, and here i want to say that we do not pretend to that all this is all all information is complete, maybe we don't have additional information yet, we may have many more of these cases, but this demonstrates that there is a young generation in crimea,

i... which takes, let's say which, not the one which takes a pro-ukrainian position, which does not agree with politics occupation authorities on the territory of crimea, and this is very important. well, that is, together with this we understand that the militarization of children in crimea, children in crimea, continues. for example, two or three weeks ago we saw that the russian occupiers in this immortal regiment forced 3,500 children to pass through... in arteco, they forced children to do this, that is, it is a violation of international law, etc., how to deal with this from the kendrag, i know that the krimstar resource center, directly the krimster interleague, well, always records these violations of rights and regarding the militarization of children, etc., and even submits all these data to international courts, but still how