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zelenskyi, well, the only thing, if i may, is purely my subjective observation, it seems to me, as they have already said, that we are not grateful, but how do we if we start to thank you, then we can't to stop what is called, well, this and that , so to speak, vkusovshchyna, the question is different, at the end, president zelenskyi completely rightly concluded his speech at the opening with the words that we need to actually go out to sign specific contracts, for some ... financial assistance agreements and so on are already at this conference, but here i somehow had a question, and with whom to sign all this, the minister of infrastructure, he is not there, and the head of the agency, who is actually responsible for this, resigned from such a demarche, even informative, demonstrative on the eve of this conference, because he was simply not invited there, our minister of foreign affairs, apologizes, minister of foreign affairs, our minister, our prime minister, the chairman.

of the executive power said that he had urgent domestic matters, that is why he did not go to berlin, and in the end there is a very eloquent one here, in fact, the fact that you made public part of the documents, we can even show it for sure scan, that is, it is yesterday's arrival at the place for inspection of security to the event, where olaf scholz, federal, is cordially invited the chancellor of germany, ursula fonderlajen, the president of the european commission and the head of the ukrainian delegation, not named, yes, it was the agenda of the conference, which was made public less than a day before its start, which means that the ukrainian office of the president was stupid. they forgot about this event, you know, kubrakov and his team quarreled and everything, as the task was solved, everything else was burning in a blue flame, and really, this agenda appeared somewhere around 13:14 our time, i wrote about it on

facebook, and only a few hours later this is why the president's office issued a decree approving the ukrainian delegation to this event, can you imagine? if this is how scholz or the fonderlein method organized this issue, then the question of who needed this conference, our western investors in our democracy, or in ukraine, which can be here without all this, is simply absolutely, i am almost sure that scholz, unsla funderlein and their teams were preparing for this conference and knew exactly what and how, what the order of the questions would be, probably months in advance. of this event, of course, here we see that... even volodymyr zelenskyy did not plan for a day, mr. yury, you distributed this article about the resignation of mustafa nayem, and this article appeared in the financial times, which means that the question still serious, and you wrote

such an introduction to this article, which was circulated that you categorically disagree with the title of this article, saying that mustafa's resignation is a blow to zelensky, in fact. i know, you write, that zelenskyi personally participated in cleaning his team of objectionable ermaks characters, so rather it is zelenskyi who strikes, why the strike, everything is simple here, read the article, it is for those people who have not read it yet, and then you continue, i’m sorry, but i said a long time ago that volodymyr zelenskyi is the bearer of natural anti-americanism, inherent the deep people, well, he doesn't love, he practiced all his life, he did business with ukrainian and russian oligarchs, where did he get the western discourse, huh? in fact, why do you think that this is not a blow to zelenskyi, this is a dismissal, and it was he, he was the initiator of this? well, first of all anyway, i know directly from my government sources that volodymyr

zelenskyi personally, let’s say, participated in the dismissal in history by the dismissal of the rakov club, so it’s not a question here at all, especially... when it comes to your favorite manager, well here is kubrakov with zelensky, we know, yes, for a long time, and during the negotiations, well, kubrakov already proved his effectiveness to zelensky and received a promotion, so, let’s say, there is no doubt that without volodymyr zelensky this story could to somehow decide, well, there were meetings between them, there were conversations in the retirement area, so everything is clear. that 's why and why this resignation led to such headlines, financial times, he is simply absolutely not the only one, i already read about it in bloomberg and in zaikonomist, everywhere just in the headlines is this story that this is bad for of ukraine and for the image of ukraine

abroad and so on, that is, it was impossible not to count on the fact that your actions would meet such a reaction, therefore it is absolutely known that that kubrakov is one, relatively speaking... of those in the ukrainian government who are in direct contact with america, with europeans, with gs7 and so on. therefore, let's put it this way, it was a very well-thought-out decision to do this, to send such a signal to someone, to whom, of course, you can play a lot of conspiracies, but i have the impression that, unfortunately, this signal is definitely not in favor of ukraine, because how you rightly said from the very beginning, we have arrived, i say conditionally. to ask for money for the reconstruction of ukraine in berlin, and they came with people who authorized, saying, even for the signature of all the stories, eh, that is, the president’s office in these schedules is interested in some completely different track, i am very afraid that it will not become ee this search for chinese

saudi money, you know, the resignation of mustafa is still , she, too, must have become some kind of another signal, because here i am too... acquaintances ask, and what does this mean, in the end, someone makes fun of it, someone says that mustafa, and so he should, so he should, here you 're gone, you've been used your good name but now this is how you faced it. but i don't know, it just seems to me that mustafa is one of the few people who had a clear, he was part of the euromaidan, for example, and to a certain extent, accordingly, he was, as it were, such a signal, such a flag that in this government, in this there are still people in power who definitely correspond to some of the values ​​of the maidan, the european vector, reforms, yes, of course, i have known mustafa for a long time, well, we worked together with journalists in the parliament. that is, i have no doubts about that the bearer of which values ​​is mustafa. i, too, i

perfectly understand that our society, which has not yet gotten rid of this, you know, dormant past, the deep people, as i call them, has certain animosity towards foreigners, and this, too, is often a very thick mixture for, in relation to mustafa, who is an ethnic afghan, that's why. here, this whole set of circumstances led to the fact that, in recent years, i simply got rid of who, what, who says what in the government, i looked at who does what, and here is simply our money, which follows the state procurement already, my god, for almost 15 years, we just saw a radical change in the procurement of the state reconstruction agency, which was headed by mustafa and where, as a deputy, mustafa invited his deputy for issues.

it was very good to watch from the inside and it was possible to change the rules, that's why i have absolutely , because you understand the information, i have such a clear factual impression that the restoration of the state really changed the rules for the better, without any such, do you know there, oh, who what he said, who is whose person, everything simply. you can consider that i personally actually saw the processes there, and therefore, relatively speaking, everyone can check my impressions, if there was corruption in the restoration of the state, well , okay, so find it, after all, it’s transparent, what are you talking about, it’s called, that’s why my position led to the fact that i understand absolutely clearly, the deprivation of state reconstruction from such people, and in general, from the state construction history, is clearing the way for the emergence. there are other people in this field, and so, looking around the horizon, what are these

other people, hearing the possible schedules there, who will go there, i can say that, unfortunately, this is rather a preparation for, let's say, the introduction of some other money into this industry, which is not like western money, which requires compliance, fighting corruption, and so on, and not such ee ... people like mustafa and valery ivanova, who, well, i see what they were doing, they were doing precisely the choice of corruption, corruption history, if we remember the year 2019, when volodymyr zelenskyi won the elections and became the president of ukraine, we remember we believe that a large number of pro-european people, ukrainians, have joined young people, joined his team in the hope that it would be possible to... do something with this country, lead it in some such civilized direction, in the direction of a civilized world,

but we see that little by little from this team of people who do not care, who it depended on ukraine to be a country where there is no corruption, a country where there is freedom of speech, where there is democracy, where there are equal rights, little by little those people are no longer left, who comes to replace them, who does. who are all those people being traded for? well, you see, we can't even remember who they are changing them to something so gray and which, unfortunately, very often leads to some scandals, but but the power, but the power still remains somewhere then, the power is there, if it is not there, the power remains in the office of the president, the source of our power now is the office president, we no longer have independent branches of any power, ie legislative, executive, they are all under the office.

an expert who, i don't know, is called someone close to the president's office, and he says, listen, we have in every office of the president, whatever his name was, she was so demonized and maybe even a little demonic the figure that the power was centered there and so on and the like, here from this you can go in another direction to think about the topic of whether we need such a presidential vertical for a country like ours in principle, but we will not go there, that is a completely different conversation , i'll just say, are we really demonizing too much already. mr. yarmak, we are just there, i don't know, the media, independents, journalists, i find the demonization, well, this needs to be clarified, well , we constantly mention, we all emphasize that ... there was yarmak, there, the president to him he trusts, he is an effective manager, there are five or six more effective managers, but they went to berlin, they were there, not mustafa, well, he decided, he decided, i say, this is the decision of the president and his closest assistant andriy yermaka, this is absolutely their decision, they have the right to it, they decided to kill such people, okay, okay, now you untangle this situation,

you just know what scares me, we, we understand that ukrainian society, if... the authorities begins to lose touch with reality, then somehow it can always be a little bit to correct the course of the country, but definitely, that is why i always say that until victory we do not have the right to any methods of direct democracy, 15 minutes after the victory we will welcome everyone involved, the question is simply for the last, we literally have no time at all, here we are you know, they showed the welcome speeches, dear scholze, dear ursla fonden, dear president zelenskyi, everything is very good, but in fact the event is everything, everything happens after these speeches, the most important thing, and there was already something else, there was, for example, vice-president, deputy fonden, who, minister, commissioner for justice, who said that ukraine needs to reform the courts and freedom of speech right now, these are the two main cornerstones that ukraine needs to preserve during

the war. there was our great friend sikorsky, who is, who is a great friend of ukraine. and european democracy in general, who says: if you don't do these reforms now during the war, you won't do them after the war, just do them now, that's the only thing that really prevents you from being accepted into the european union, but it is not so noticeable, well , you know, we have such a dead end, our power is natural, it is what it is and does what it is, but we can influence it only with words, with such tricks and without any methods direct democracy, we have stoves and we have to live with it, because unfortunately, our enemy from the outside is much stronger and these internal clashes, who is in whose head, well, unfortunately, will simply lead to the fact that we will be occupied, and i definitely understand that many people will be shot or hidden camps, that's why i'm sorry, thank you, ma'am, we're doing what we can, we're talking about these problems, we're voicing them, mr. yuriy,

thank you for participating in our broadcast, yuriy nikolov, journalist, co-founder of the independent group our money, was with us, we now add lyudmila denisova to the conversation , human rights defender, head of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights. we would like to remind you, by the way, ms. lyudmila, we congratulate you, we will remind you that the center, the ukrainian text center for human rights, is working now, just now the hotline, you can call it even during etru and ask your questions, get a free consultation. mrs. lmyla, congratulations once again, so let's go to the morning, good morning, let's start with such a question. this is a question that everyone is interested in now, this is a question of mobilization now wide, from what age should young men register for the military, and how to do it for those who are currently abroad, because there is such a call now from the ukrainian authorities, well, you need to know , that military

registration has nothing to do with mobilization, that is, there is nothing to worry about relatives, not parents. it is not necessary, every year male citizens of ukraine who are 17 years old in this current year are registered for military registration, this year they are boys who were born in 2007, in person on a specific date specified in the summons of the tsk sp, it is necessary to come to their place of residence there and register for military service, a notice may be sent or issued to them. in an educational institution, or through local self-government bodies, they must come, be sure to make a medical commission, which will determine the degree, establish the degree of suitability for military service and after that they will be registered, if they are suitable, they will already be transferred to the category of conscripts, receive a certificate

of registration for conscription, this will be an important document for... because they will need it for registration or change place of residence, for admission to an educational institution or employment, all men who turn 17 this year, no matter where they are in ukraine or abroad, are obliged to register for military service, therefore these 17-year-old ukrainians, who are currently abroad, must come to ukraine to be drafted. record that we learned that government officials allegedly adopted changes to such an order on june 7 that you can use it instead of coming. foreign diplomatic institutions to register for military service there. currently, the text of the resolution has not been published, we do not know what

the new rules will be, so the current rules are in effect, and that is why the young men need to come, if they have come, signed up, they have not yet you, is not 18 years old, then they have the right to leave peacefully. there will be no obstacles here, go back to the educational institution again and then make some changes about the military registration thanks to the reserve register plus, if they are already 18 years old, then leaving will be prohibited, because during the period of military registration men are 18 - 60 years old do not have the right to travel abroad. and it should be borne in mind that violation of the rules of military accounting is subject to administrative liability, a fine of 15 thousand to from 17 to 25,000, so take

this into account, that is, if, for example, someone who is not yet of conscription age is abroad, for example, studying abroad, then he can freely come here and return back, they do not have the right to delay him in any way '. only, only, if he is less than 18 years old, yes, that is, if he already comes and he is already 18 years old, he will not be able to return to study, ugh, that is, we expect that the cabinet of ministers has made changes to this procedure after all , because if a person is studying there, then he should already finish his studies, why not to use... the border diplomatic institutions of ukraine and not to take the necessary actions there regarding military registration, they will become conscripts from post-conscripts, they

will not be conscripted until the age of 25, so ukraine needs to take this into account in order to give the child the opportunity complete your studies. now it is valid that if you are 18 years old, then you can go abroad . education is impossible, because there is a ban on the departure of men aged 18 to 60, because we have martial law, and there is a special period, ugh, really strange norm, because i don't understand how it will help, these children then simply won't come here, that is , on the one hand, we call for her to come, and on the other hand, we say, but you won't leave back and you won't continue your studies, very strange indeed, madam lyudmila, thank you very much for this conversation. lyudmila denisova, human rights defender, head of the ukrainian center for the protection of human rights, was with us and explained to us a little about the situation, as it is now for especially young people, students or those who

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