criminal-corruption chains may be broken, but the mobilization of the homeland will eventually become a matter of such, you know, social consequences, but these effects must also be taken into account. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. volodymyr, you wanted to reflect on something, no, i did, i was just saying that we should start by eliminating this mess and this manual system. making a reservation, that's where the problem is, i said about it that this is the first thing to do, this is where there is not just a mess, but i suspect there is huge corruption there, nevertheless, i do not agree with the fact that it is about the fact that there is criminal rent, corruption, and the state wants to take this money, i think that there is a banal, let's say this, there is a desire to find an agreement , i agree with business, legal, systemic ukrainian business, i can tell you... what

i can tell you for sure, this is not the initiative of natalukh, whom i mentioned, he is promoting it by the way, it is not the initiative of the cabinet of ministers, there is what they have there , unfortunately, others interests, it is an initiative of ukrainian business, it promotes ukrainian business, which is currently suffering from the fact that he is being recruited and this business is collapsing, and the people who are in the shadows, but you don't mobilize them and they don't pay taxes, that's the problem, not the desire to intercept some kind of corruption. i do not agree with this. zelenskyi, being in germany these days, also spoke about mobilization at the meeting with scholz, he said that he was answering the question, will ukraine be able to mobilize a sufficient number of people to liberate the occupied territories? let's listen to what the president of ukraine said. as for mobilization, i am absolutely sober about it

i am watching because the mobilization in our country is going on because of the state of martial law, because of the state of war, it is going on from the first day, i see that this issue is in society, of course, it is not the first day of the war, but if we want to preserve our state, then we have to defend it , the right words that zelensky said, they collide with reality when... there is a conditional conflict that we are currently observing, which they are trying to artificially disperse, a conflict between society and between the tcc, that is, we see and are witnesses of how in the information sphere in telegram channels they are quite actively dispersing a similar video, where, in this case, in odesa tsk, one of the employees of the ambulance was called to tsk.

the employees of shvydka drove up to the tsk, well , a scuffle, a fight started there, and this video has already gone around all the public, possible and impossible, the russians also support this hysteria and the reaction of society to what the tsk does, like mr. maksym, to your opinion, to return the respect of ukrainians to people in military uniform, because those er... representatives of the tsk, they are military, now there is a war, people rush at them, people start beating them there, people start pumping rights there and, let's say so, arrange a push, that's how this conflict between the conditional society and between those who work in tsc to localize this conflict, you know, in fact, we remember. what the president said correctly,

that our mobilization did not start on may 18, but when the new law came into force there, mobilization began as early as 14, there were almost six waves of mobilization there, as far as i know, there were not in 14 that year, there was no mobilization, okay, only with the introduction of military service state mobilization began, only on february 24 , 2022, well, general. the mobilization has begun, well, yes, that's right, yes, the terms are a little different, yes, yes, colleagues, eh, supposedly all the laws that should establish rules and clearly delineate the responsibilities between the employees of the tsc have been adopted, between the internal affairs bodies, the police and the local self-government, well, they put certain responsibilities on uh... the heads

of enterprises, actually, who also received their responsibilities in this area. so, if you look for a solution, which would be, so to speak, a little quelled public passions on... about this, if there is a transparent and clear scheme in this legislation, it should be made known to society as much as possible, such educational campaigns should be carried out, and where it should be clearly stated what the representative of the tsc has the right to do, what is the right of the police, what is the right of local self-government bodies and... the employer, to start with this, by establishing and clarifying for the society, clear rules, a clear scheme. then, of course, the next step is to strictly adhere to this scheme, and so to speak

liquidation of any attempts to violate this scheme, and show the punishment of people who, so to speak, go beyond the limits of their powers, or carry them out in this way and so on, well, this is the only way for a legal state, an illegal state, such as the russian federation, can afford the right of the strong and other means, although they also try to act within the limits of their legislation, and the situation that has developed today is definitely the result of a russian special operation, in this i have no... i have no doubts that this conflict, he, so to speak, feeds on various tools, various influences on our society from the side of russia, because this is the main bet that we will start an internal conflict, and we will, so to speak, lose

our fighting spirit, this is actually the most important thing for the win, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do our homework, once again. an algorithm, a clear scheme that is known to the whole society, strict implementation of the established rules and regulations by all participants in this process, and the situation will stabilize, and of course opposition in the information field. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. volodymyr, does the government understand that this conflict, which russia is fueling and trying to disperse, that something must be done about it, because in fact, despite everything, this conflict can deepen further and really can lead to internal confrontation, well, you have to ask the government representatives about this, do they understand or not, it is difficult for me to answer for them, but what maksym said is important,

what he described is an ideal situation, ideal, but what happened in practice, there were supposedly norms, although we did not have a law on mobilization, only a law on the military. a hundred further by-laws and what happened up until the moment of the adoption of the current law , people send summons to people or try to mobilize them in some other way, but people ignore it, this scheme that maxim described simply does not work, people ignore it, it just does not work there goes the vlk, tsk, it is not a military registration, but because she went abroad and... what to do? only two years after the start of full-scale invasion, in the end they passed this law, which provides for certain sanctions for evasion of mobilization, and then softened it, i am passing on

the words of the critics, and there are many of them among the military, in particular and not only that, well, what was proposed was tougher sanctions for evasion of mobilization, now they have softened. and the question is whether it will work at all, so unfortunately, the ideal scheme, i completely agree with it, but it does not work in our society, but it is necessary to move in this direction, yes, it is simply necessary, that there should be clear sanctions, sanctions for violators, and for those who evade mobilization, and those who, unfortunately, let's put it this way, abuse their powers either in the tsc or in the lc. there are also many such examples, i have heard so many that , god forbid, yes, and this too needs to be put in order, for today, in my opinion, the main problem is what, in the methods, in the methods of mobilization, that is exactly what they discredit, why i and i support economic booking for companies,

not for individuals, because it is at least an attempt to bring some order to some people, so that people know exactly what? a person has received a reservation, can work normally, and not be afraid to go out there, that they will be rounded up or detained at a block post and taken. there you have the tsc and that's it, and we also know how many violations there are in this process, so we need to bring some order here, unfortunately, now it's the methods, the methods are being discredited, and we have to deal with the methods, i don't have a simple recipe , how to do it, by the way, there are some methods , colleagues who are closer to this topic told me that, for example, a positive effect, well, they passed the law, you have to stand up, or

let’s say, online, you stand up for military registration, or you go to the tsc, there, by the way, there are a lot of problems, but there are people standing next to the tsc and not only next to the tsc, there are there are other forms and places, there are people who are engaged in recruiting for specific military units, i personally know examples when a person, well, apparently, found out. the driver, by the way, he will probably have to go, they will mobilize, and he signed up himself, a military unit he knows, which has a good reputation, he went himself and signed up there, and somewhere i haven't seen statistics recently that one out of every three mobilized people is the one who goes on his own, as part of this recruiting process, but knows where he's going and what the training will be. which military unit he will be assigned to and so on, i believe that it is necessary

to move in this way, and it is necessary to put things in order with those not quite, to put it mildly, correct methods that are currently used for mobilization. thank you, mr. volodymyr, a few more topics this week that were and remain on the news, and about this and not only social networks but also politicians say and reflect what mustafa. mr. ayem, the head of the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine, wrote a statement of resignation on the eve of the big forum on the reconstruction of ukraine in berlin, and he slammed the door and said that denys shmehal, the prime minister of ukraine, was putting sticks in the wheels and not allowed this agency to develop, of course, it was quite a serious blow on the eve of the actual holding of this forum, but the fact is that... naim himself was not allowed there, he wrote a request to shmyhal to allow

him to go outside ukraine and take part in this forum, he was restored, refused, we see, this photocopy, there was still a note at the end that it was necessary to deal with how the agency actually used resources and how it participated in the creation of protective buildings, in particular for the test, was on our air yesterday. the head of the parliamentary committee on foreign policy and interparliamentary cooperation oleksandr mereshko, and he considers personnel changes during the war to be a normal process. let's listen to what mr. mereshko said. i believe that if you are an official and occupy a responsible position, then you have a choice: either you implement what you believe in, implement your program, defend your principles, or you simply capitulate and... resign. that is, each person decides in his own way, this is the right of each official,

it seems to me that if a person really believes in what he is doing, then he must fight to the end and must, well, choose his right, implement his program. mr. maksym, obviously, nayem will step down from power and will fight, as mr. merezhko says, fight until end and choose your right, implement your program. because after all, he is quite a public person, he is very well known by his western partners, in particular in the united states of america, how do you see this conflict that is unfolding around kubrakov and mustafa nayem, who was part of his team, and these unexpected resignations, unexpected statements, what does this indicate? uh, well, i'm looking at it from a distance, i don't have any... inside information about what 's going on, but it looks like

it is about, well, you know, a corporation, a corporate struggle, that is, one team against another team, and to be honest, i have not heard about these principles, programs and everything else that the people's deputy from the ruling faction said about before that, not now. in the midst of the whole scandal, i did not hear about any programmatic, ideological or ideological differences between, well, for example, between prime minister shmyhal and mustafa nai. all this boils down to the fact that it is simply about access to a certain resource and control over certain processes, well, at least that's how it is with side looks, who is right, who is guilty in this situation? well, i would agree with the fact that personnel changes are, so to speak, not prohibited and

quite possible in times of war, society can... judge only by those fragmentary information leaks that we see, and of course by the results, the forum in berlin, well, he was probably important, but he was probably not the last, and he was probably not even decisive in the issue, so to speak, of the provision of this aid and its distribution and functional purpose, so we will see who will be the next head of this agency or... the interests will be represented by this person or these people, and then we will have more information, so far it looks like a narrow corporate conflict within the government, for control over certain mechanisms of distribution of funds. thank you, mr. maksym, mr. volodymyr, what, what kind of conflict is this and why did it arise? no,

in this case, the chain is as follows: mustafa's resignation was inevitable, and so was he. by the way, i understood this, i saw him two weeks ago, already after kubrakov's resignation, i asked him: well, what's next? well, he let me know, though, not directly, maybe, yes, yes, what, well, he understands that he will have to go, the other way is, either you go yourself, or you are dismissed, fired, there are nuances, yes, but mustafa felt that he was forced to go, the second moment, if there is an understanding, i think that... shmagal was also there, who decided it formally, and mustafa himself, that personnel changes have taken place, then it is unlikely that they will delegate to berlin for the conference on the restoration of a manager who otherwise, he resigns, that's what i see as the problem, not that,

let's put it this way, they didn't let mustafa in, mustafa could to go, for example, as a representative of some public organization, analytical center. and it’s nothing, it would be normal, i, by the way, i was not at the conference, but on monday i was in berlin at another event, there was a discussion in bendestaz about germany’s policy towards ukraine, and there were many participants and from this conference from ukraine, in particular representatives of public organizations, in particular those who criticize the current government, so what i see as a problem is that all these dismissals from... on the eve of the conference in berlin, and new leaders have not been appointed, that's the problem, it would be right for us if, well, you want to fire kubrakov, this is a separate topic, well, it's a part, that's right, my colleague said, kubrakov is also part of zelenskyi's team, a former deputy

of this faction, he was the favorite of the president, by the way, he was... criticized a lot, in particular by the people who are now defending him, even a year ago, and even, well, two years ago, he was criticized for the great construction program, where they criticized demanded dismissal and so on, and now they are protecting him, that's how everything has changed, the political situation, but there, i think, personal conflicts arose, personal contradictions, and mustafa's resignation was a consequence of kubrakov's resignation, but new leaders had to be appointed even before the conference in berlin, so where i wish, where i... i see a mistake by the cabinet of ministers, that the cabinet of ministers, i don't know why they still haven't appointed, how much time has passed since kubrakov's resignation, the new head of this ministry still hasn't been appointed, thank you, mr. volodymyr, well and the very end of our program is very short information, or rather a quote from the times, which

is more accurate, the head of the president's office yermak is accused of... abuse of personal power and usurpation of democratic processes, this is stated in the article, the court was shaken by the thirst for power of zelenskyi's assistant, the publication's interlocutors in the ukrainian government called yermak the de facto head of state or vice president of ukraine. mr. maxim, to what extent are the cautions and cautions of our western partners, or rather our western... partners, information partners, how far do they have soil and to what extent it is worth talking about the usurpation of power in ukraine by the fair. well, this is again a question about the insiders, and this time i will also tell you how it looks from the outside. uh, in general, this concern of our partners, this

publication indicates that there is a certain concern, and the concern obviously has those uh roots in a certain lack of transparency, unpredictability of actions, maybe non-fulfillment of some agreements, well, you can, so to speak, eh... to reproduce such a reconstruction of the logic of events, as regards the figure of yermak, the head of the president's office and his role, i quite often on facebook and so on i come across some attempts at demonization, i do not have any personal opinion about the nature of this influence of yermamak on the ukrainian state, but as a political scientist. i understand that if there is a certain vacuum of power, in the implementation

of the powers that rest on the president, especially in the conditions that we have today, if there is this deficit in the implementation of powers, a deficit of ideas, thoughts, consistency, strategies, then he this vacuum must be filled by someone, and it is obvious that... well, now it is probably being filled by a man, his with some personal resource, how, how effectively, well, actually today we have already analyzed many areas of our social life and state policy, probably not very effectively yet, but as it is, thank you mr. maksym, mr. volodymyr, how about you they said, that's what the times already wrote. and a whole series of publications, it’s already, well, we would call it, maybe someone calls it an information campaign about against yermak, when you know, one or two publications, that’s one thing, and when

there are already almost a dozen such publications, well, that’s it more in such well-known publications, well, it’s no coincidence, yes, although as far as i know, i ’ve talked to various people, they say that there are no claims at the official level, these are publications, so here... here there are nuances, regarding the comparisons, well, the fact that yermak is the second most influential person in the country, well, i absolutely agree with that, yes, and he is not the first, by the way, the head of the presidential administration, who has enormous influence in the country, when compared with the vice- president, you know, it's even a little funny to me, people compare who they probably do not know that the situation with vice presidents in the usa is very different, for example, biden was an influential vice president, for example, camila harris was an uninfluential vice president, and there were other situations when there were also uninfluential vice presidents, on the contrary, there were very influential, powerful people who

later became presidents, well, how did biden become, yes, it happens in different ways, we have 20 or 20 seconds on the air, i am the last one, i asked about not there, what affects everything fair, well, this is a big exaggeration, i asked the head of one large state-owned company in berlin company, i say, who appointed you, who decided the issue? fair or someone, he said no, people in the cabinet, no fair there, i have not met him and never seen him at all, even, here is a specific example, there is an exaggeration, there is influence, a great influence, but we have, we have to finish, we have to finish , please excuse me, volodymyr fesenko, maksym rozumny were guests of our program, thank you gentlemen for participating in the program, during the program we conducted a survey and asked you about whether you support the idea... reservation from mobilization 41% yes, 59% no, these are the results of our television survey. it was a program of verdicts by sergei ordenko, goodbye.

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