of the previous national assembly, which came a couple of months ago, that work, because public opinion, it, well, it changes, it cannot be stable, and obviously you are right that politicians are oriented, and the example of july is very transparent, but america, what a key in that regard, for us as allies, after all, she also considers the congress and the senate and the house of representatives according to the opinion of the public in their majority constituencies, and the fact that part of the republicans did not vote for her, although there was a retribution, relatively speaking, for trump's presidential candidates says that the actual public opinion in the districts is not such that it can be said that it is unequivocally pro-ukrainian, and the congressmen advise us to go to the districts and work with the public opinion of the americans, well , the question here is only that, a question of time and a question of opportunities, because in the end year is taking place, as you know, there are entirely elections to the congress, the house of representatives and there are re-elections of the congress and 50% of the elections to the senate and an obvious part will be new politicians. both from

one party and from another political party, we are seeing this one right now press conference, president zelensky finished his speech, and we are literally breaking in, let's listen to the first few phrases of joseph biden, i understand that he is preparing to start his speech after signing the security agreement with ukraine, and for now, biden is also preparing, and the operators are preparing, we, our editors, are looking for the most interesting quotes from zelensky, let's... just a minute, let's hope that in this first minute biden will say the most important thing, we are adjusting the sound, i understand, we have what the audience can hear, but we in the studio do not hear, whether they hear viewers, i am now asking the editors, well, i hope that

we will adjust the sound as quickly as possible and listen, because it is important, we will be able to rewind to the beginning, then we will talk about, including bills regarding mobilization, yuriy kamelchuk will be on, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people, one of the initiators of the bill on economic reservation, there were many discussions on this topic yesterday, i think it is important to talk about it, and we have a lawyer mytsyk, who will also develop this topic and of course people's deputies everyone gets the floor, is there sound to listen to biden, and for our audience who watches us on youtube, you can write how you feel about this initiative in general, because it was not the first time that they talked about it, we heard about it and when the changes to the mobilization law were adopted, economic reservation, that is , the opportunity, well, not to pay, but to work, pay taxes and then be reserved from uvi service. it will be interesting

to hear your opinion, we will even read your comments, so please write while we are we don't hear zelenskyi and biden, now we will show you the main theses for sure, however, concluding this whole story somewhere, of course, all these international events and international events, they are very important for us, they strengthen us, and it was good that we talked about that we would like it to happen faster, that the weapons were given faster and that the ukrainian army could somehow act and react. because in such a case, when we can hit them with weapons, so that it also flies to them, and not only to us, so that they feel that they have a war. now there are these economic sanctions, when their money is gone will return to them, these blocked assets, and will transfer them to us, this is also very important from an economic point of view, because maybe someone there will push them a little morally, interest on assets, interest, this is also very important, and i talked about it driven animal as such, the image of the russian

federation, what they say, on the contrary, they threaten nuclear weapons again, they conduct their endless nuclear exercises, and sir, you will be asked what else they can do, what can we expect from them, or it's just another incitement, raising rates and just their chatter, and well, if we say that what is still in the hands of the russian federation today. so they have already used all their potential today except for nuclear nuclear weapons, that is, we are not talking about full chemical, bacteriological, that is, everything that they could use today, they use, everything that they can reach with their hands, they use that everything they can get there from iran, yes there or from their friends from the northern regions are used, so to speak of some new opportunities that we don't... see today, well

, i personally or our colleagues do not have such information, that is, we see opportunities that are growing, again in some areas of rap, well, also these opportunities are growing in ukraine. therefore, today we can say that we have the appropriate parity today, well , we can listen, let's do it, if we can't, then we won't return to this topic, that no matter who the people elect, first of all, it seems to me, everything depends on unity within of this or that state, and if the people are with us, then any leader will also be with us.

channel direct speech of lviv, there all the information appears promptly. let's see what this law on economic reservations includes and provides. the main points, so that we understand what we are talking about, the initiators, in particular from the servant of the people, will now be on skype, we will call mr. kamalchuk, the people's deputy from the servant of the people, lviv oblast, he represents. so, what is there, a business entity that pays an increased military levy of uah 2,000 per... month per employee, will be able to book him , pay for the employee, will be a business that determines who is most critical for him and confirms it with appropriate taxes. fops can be booked if they confirm that they have actually been operating during

the last year, that is, if they have been operating for a year and there is this amount of uah 20,000, as far as i understand, it will be possible to do it from. the additional limit of reserved and procedures will be determined by the cabinet of ministers of ukraine. mr. mytsyk, from a legal point of view, as far as it is legal at all, maybe we are can we introduce economic armoring during the war? first, everything that the parliament adopts is legal, it will become a law. ugh. the question is whether the authorities will allow themselves a suicidal step, which is not entirely popular among the population. and in what self. two years ago, when there was a mass crossing of the border, i was asked how you feel about the proposal to pay a deposit before you go abroad, you know how many

people crossed the road, and tell me, equality was very helpful to the state, each of these people would not be able to break the law, it would restrain her economic barrier. if i made a deposit, or these funds remained in the budget, and not in the pockets of those who bought them, included the path in the system or created some other issues, well, you understand, there will always be objections from people who want everyone to be equal, or equal is ensures equal rights, today's mobilization, no, it is a chaotic, random pulling of people from their cells, from their workplaces, from some business plans from... productions, stop at that, and it does not generate justice and any logic , why in this bill it was said, for example, that there will be a very thorough check on phopia, there is a real suspicion that a lot of people, fearing that in enterprises where such

economic reservation is certain to take place, a lot of people will be laid off, and the labor market will be exposed, exposed in the direction of a large number of registration fops, who will be able to ban themselves. i think that this is a mistaken opinion about it, people who are able and entrepreneurs who are able to pay 20 00 hryvnia military levy separately for their employee, such workers there are not very many places in the state, there is an assumption, i heard a calculation that a million people can be insured in this way, well, if you look at that bubble around, i am talking, in fact there are not very many, but it is logical, we will book... the most, the most important, necessary, high-paying jobs, such a reservation will lead to the restoration of the detinization of the labor market, for today, this is a chaotic mobilization that does not work

through subpoenas, not through great control, which works only through pressure on employers and to workplaces where people actually are during working hours, when they are mobilized during movement. to the workplace, or from work to home, or to the workplace, all this led to the fact that i did not hear statistics, but based on how much traffic jams in lviv have decreased, even rush hour, we can ... understand how much business activity, all this will not lead to anything good to the economic situation in the country and the lack of finance, which is also lacking, then there will be a very strong blow, economic reservation will return jobs to public sphere, that is, back, people do not have a minute to book, they must resume their employment relationship, which they have terminated up to this point. second, a huge number of people who work in the dark will try and restore theirs. fops will work and also try to book in this way,

so i believe that the question of such a purely theoretical justice, it is probably on the second or third moment, which will have to be analyzed, maybe i am saying unpopular things, but i am speaking based on that what is the real picture, i heard such a thesis that economic armoring can increase some... corruption risks, no, on the contrary, the corruption risks that exist today will be eliminated. i was looking for statistics on how many disabled people have become in the country since the beginning of the war. you know, i looked up the number, said zelenskyi's wife, but recently a hydraulic lift for the disabled was opened there, and she said 300,000 since the beginning of the war, and the ministry of social policy in september 23 already named 300,000 disabled since the beginning of the war. i read crime fiction affairs. i am giving a message: a disabled person, an unjustified disabled person is worth $10,000, you

understand, this is two years of economic reservation of a person, some of these people do it forcibly, avoiding mobilization in any way, and vice versa, that is, this reservation will bring out part of this corrupt component, which there is, crazy funds are paid for being declared unfit for military service, linden lines that are, all these questions, a lot of people who respect themselves first of all, they... will take advantage of economy booking, and this will lead to the wall large funds, i believe, income to the budget should be modeled as a last resort, this will be a legal way for people to get reservations, which is happening today, well , in such a somewhat comical church way, by the way, one of the most popular ways now to avoid mobilization, employment for a bribe to an enterprise where people are booked, so let the business be booked robo. places and pays taxes for it, i think that there are no things that we the government should

be ashamed of. yuriy kamelchuk, well, you had one, one might say, from mr. mytsk very much a qualitative summary of your draft law, where mr. matsyak argued why, in his opinion, this draft law can be both effective and useful, how? what do you have to add, and the second question, how realistic do you think it is that this bill will be passed, because earlier we talked about this economic reservation, as some kind of theoretical model, then we found out sometime before the vote on the new law regarding mobilization, that they decided not to introduce these norms, and that's how realistic it is now this draft law, which you are initiating, will come to a vote and be voted, well , how will it be voted... and why did you decide to do it this way in the end? good evening. glory to

ukraine. thank you. thank you for the opportunity to talk about this bill. it has actually been in development for quite some time, and is very. committee on issues. we can't hear you. sound, now, i think everything should come back. yes, the sound is back. it. e, the working group of dmytro natalukha, head of the economic committee of the verkhovna rada, and we worked together with business, with a large number of representatives, including talking with the military, who were business representatives, until they left either under a contract or under mobilization, that is , different opinions were taken into account, including the opinions of the ministry of defense, the general staff, and so on, and they were not in a hurry in order not to catch up. situation on the one hand, so as not to start a parallel process with the law on strengthening

mobilization, and so that it does not turn out that someone accused that the process passed too quickly or that all dialogues and consultations were not carried out, including indeed, there was also modeling of possible economic contributions to the budget, that is, on the condition that if you take into account that there are 5-6 million people somewhere in... the country now, who fall under the question of mobilization as conscripts, and if you really count, that a million or 200 million, for example, are booked with the help of this... proposal, then the revenues, in particular to the budget, which will be used for the armed forces of ukraine, will amount to 300-400 billion, this is for such an ideal picture, and again, this not the final number and no financial, not the final picture, because they will be registered, you will soon see several alternative bills on the website of the verkhovna rada, including

projects related to the tax committee. and they regulate this sphere, i.e. according to which parameters of the organization, according to which parameters of the fopa, what exactly is taken into account in this, what options can there be for wages, wage levels and corresponding additional payments, so to speak, payments, we cannot call it additional some kind of tax, ah, which will be applied as a parameter that will enable this custom booking. i think there is a chance that this bill will be passed, but we really shouldn't be in a hurry to explain to those who don't understand how it will work, and that it will be agreed with everyone and that the model will be clear to everyone. at first, it is clear that there will be time for some alternative bills, maybe someone else wants to add something, then

the discussion will be done accordingly in the committee, although most or part of the committee is already aware of it. this model is discussed more even communication further, i think that the factions will proceed not only in the committee, but also to discuss more broadly how much they are ready to support it, it is clear that it can go to the hall only when there is an understanding that there will be a sufficient number of votes so as not to fail this story and so on, and are there any, are there any, i want to clarify, are there any calculations, how much do you plan to get from this, how much will the state... get from this, how many such people can volunteer to be booked, or did these calculations? yes, i actually called them a little earlier, i don’t know, maybe they heard, or there was a sound, well, it’s still a theory, but out of 5-6 million, maybe it will be a million, a million 200, that is, if , if we are talking about 50%

maximum of the number of people booked and... and so on, and in general it was also based on surveys from business representatives, that is, it is not some bare theory of someone's idea, but these statements are based on surveying a large number of business representatives, large companies and business associations, in fact in this regard, we calculated, and i will repeat that the income to the budget, which should be used only for the armed forces of ukraine, is actually for financing this story, because there is a connection and logic... absolutely simple, what we discussed already now in the studio , money from business should go to finance the army, money, in the company is profit, profit is taxes, taxes are white, clean and so on, go to finance the army, therefore the rear, and now defense at the front, both of these things are extremely important, whether this picture will really be the one we have now

we are forecasting, we will see only in practice, of course, but they are suitable... to these analyzes, to this analysis, specialists approached quite analytical, economists, so this, let's say, may be similar to the truth, there are replicas in the studio, mykola, no i have a question for my colleague, i may have a speech after my colleague speaks, because he is sitting in the car, i can say, i can say that what is happening with the mobilization now is certainly a shame, certainly mobilization is needed and people are needed, but the way the tsc acts in violation of the law is simply wrong in principle. because people were given the opportunity to register until july 18, after that they could really punish those who break the law, instead of chasing people in the streets, and we saw all these terrible pictures that were. as for economic reservation, today pavlo kazarin, a famous journalist and military man, recalled the movie gangs of new york, about how in the united states of america during

the civil war, economic reservation was introduced, and for $ 300 a year, at that time, it there was a lot of money, you could get a reprieve. this led to huge riots in the united states, when the whole society said that the poor are fighting for the interests of the rich, and so obviously there is a very big danger here. another thing is that our ministry of economy should work, because when i'm sorry, i have acquaintances who are owners of defense enterprises, and supposedly they have reservations, supposedly 100%. people go, in order to get a reservation, they have to go through the vlk, these people go, go through the vlk, after that they are immediately taken away, enterprises from... their production for the ukrainian army, those already at the border they bring hungarians and slovaks to work for them, and it is of course a disaster. look at the life support of cities, if people who will repair. who will do it? look at the big businesses that really add a lot to the economy, really pay a lot of taxes. has

anyone in the ministry of economy thought what would happen if a huge number of workers were taken away from there, not even half, but more, and how much it would reduce the income? these criteria should be taken into account first of all by the ministry of economy, because if simple the idea will arise that i will pay a ransom of 20 uah and after that i will be able to get someone, well, first of all, it is not just any economy that will survive, these are people who have, well, some big turnovers, whether they want to serve, or just rich people will pay off the army in this way, completely destabilizing our society, that is why i respect the opinion of the authors of the law, i respect their idea, the economy must be saved, but for this we have the ministry of economy, which should not be idle, allow me, mr. yuriy, i am my own continuation the fact that mr.... knyazhyvskyi said: what if this law will be adopted, let's assume that the verkhovna rada will vote, the law will be adopted, but then how will you treat those ukrainians who went abroad before the war, not

refugees, who sent to ukraine somewhere around 18 billion, if i'm not mistaken, funds here to of ukraine and those funds were used by their families, and accordingly by the state, and which began, when the war began, they did everything to help the ukrainian army, they sent humanitarian aid here, went... to rallies to support ukraine, and now they are actually lowered below the plinth, you know what i'm talking about, and how it will end, we don't know yet, i'll see how i'll deal with them further, how they 'll take it to the point that they can get away with it, someone can buy off not going to the front, not going to fight, but they will be followed, as ms. bezugula said, that they should be deprived of citizenship altogether, if they do not want to return, how will it be perceived, there are a large number of ukrainians abroad, let's... divide the fruits, seeds and shells, so to speak , ukrainians abroad are an extremely important component, i had the opportunity to talk with those who were rebuilding kosovo, both with citizens and with

the military, they also said that during the reconstruction of the country, those who were in exile, mute, germany or the scandinavian countries or canada played an extremely important role, because they , believing in their country, sent these funds either to... or directly and then returned, and now they live in their native, liberated country, although this country has not yet been recognized, in particular by ukraine, but 100 countries have already done so, we take into account another aspect, it is you who used the word, once again to pay off, let me remind you that the bill on economic reservation is not about paying off, the employee himself will not decide this and will not be given such an opportunity that he himself... fopom, will be able to take it and pay 20 or 30 or how many thousands of hryvnias a month, we will then all

agree together, he will be able to make a reservation easily, it will actually only be decided by the owner or owners of the business, who will understand that this person, who and so gets a large salary already, she is an irreplaceable specialist in this particular period of time, in this particular enterprise and that... the enterprise existed, perhaps it is the chief engineer, technologist, or the person who has been trained for many years, he cannot be replaced by in a month, in two, in six months, or in a year, she should stay here, and on these shoulders the basis, the actual work of these enterprises is based, maybe it is the general director, it will not be a full history of booking all that, but one more question, i don't know , are you it was brought up, but i discussed it on other tv channels, with other people, someone says: what about those who were in business? but was he mobilized or did he go on his own with a volunteer and so on, like those businessmen, they do not get quite the justice of history, and here i will remind you that kabin and the ministry of defense must develop

a bill on demobilization, we are also waiting for this, so this is a completely parallel story , although another issue that we raised today with colleagues, in particular in lublin from different regions, there were representatives from leaders of seven different regions of ukraine. of the regional councils, and we talked with them, well, so to speak, they do not wave their fists after the battle, but all the same, together we came to the conclusion that the ideal picture would be if we adopted a law on mobilization, demobilization and economic reservation, and in 2022, then the rules of the game would be clear to everyone, but we perfectly understand that the war made adjustments, we were engaged in urgent matters, rescue, repelling enemy attacks, liberating territories, what from... we continue to do now, when it already is now we have to come up together so that it really is a fair, honest, transparent story, understandable for everyone, useful for

the ukrainian budget, and these funds are directed to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. with this, we will really avoid more precisely corruption, as the guest in the studio said, and with this we will ensure the possibility of the ukrainian economy to survive and continue to finance the ukrainian army. taras batenko, what is your position? we also asked our audience on youtube how people feel about this initiative, whether it is a good initiative, septo bill, or is it your opinion divides people so far those who believe. what will divide people is more than 68 by 32%. 68 do not support, they do not support, well, they believe that it will divide, we do not say that it is bad, we gave such wording, you see, we have been discussing this for more than the first month, huh, and when we started, when the government handed us the draft law about mobilization, the idea of ​​economic reservation was floated, but it was not supported by the government itself in this regard.

ideologeme put forward by mr. natalukha, i will not say that mr. natalukha is isolated, no, he is part of the deputies who support him, and certainly a large number of business representatives, when i talk to business representatives, especially in lviv, i actually hear from everyone, give an economic block, this financial block, reservations, because we will close, we will close restaurants , we will close businesses, we will close our development opportunities, now. disrupted logistics, supplies, closing construction companies, smaller, small and so on, that is, we actually get into a situation where the rear can stop or narrow its the possibilities of supporting the front, you look at the donations in the end, as much as the donations of our people, volunteers and so on who support our military today have fallen, of course the front without style is impossible, and the military understands it, and the government

understands it, the situation scares and scares me , when i heard from the prime minister that in the near future, as i understand it, it will be in july, a bill on raising taxes will be brought to the parliament, because we already understand that for the needs of the armed forces of ukraine missing more than 500 billion hryvnias, that is, we need to understand how it was planned, how the country's military budget was drawn up last year for the 24th year, which is only the middle of the year, we already lack more than 500 million. that is, where, why, from where? and obviously, in order for the simple answer to be obvious, probably in this bill, although no one has seen it, but it has already been announced, raising taxes and raising the military levy. this bill, it partially, partially solves this problem, it has, well, it's not the amount that's being talked about more than 500 billion, i think there are real prices may be in the range of 250-300 billion, but no

more, no more. but the question is, mr. natalukha called the mobilization resource of ukraine, i don’t like the word resource, well, that is, it is people, it is value, it is treasure, it is wealth, and to call it a resource, conventionally speaking, he called a number, well, we will not call it , i believe, i generally believe that this, well, it should be a state secret, in order to voice how much and what potential there is for the mobilization of people in ukraine, but so that it does not turn out that this potential is not as voiced by the authors of the draft law. you see, and what we're hearing and what you 're saying in terms of polling people, disillusionment can actually have a very serious effect on the country, and that polarization can have an effect on demoralization, further demoralization, that the issue of further mobilization, the issue of further recruitment and the support of the front and the support of the army can be complicated enough because of this...

this conflict, i think that we need to find a compromise on this issue, we need to find a compromise on many issues, because this issue is not one issue, there are a number of issues here, i think , that we we will sit down with the government in the near future and look for other questions that need to be answered, well, let's say on the 16th-17th , according to the cabinet of ministers' resolution, the right of ukrainian citizens who are abroad, who left for the war, who have update your data. otherwise, the repressive mechanism is included among them, those who left and got permanent residence there, permanent residence for 5, 10, 15 years, left long before the war, but they are citizens of ukraine, they came here to get their data, how ka, as they say the cabinet of ministers is a resolution, they say, and the tsc says, we cannot issue you, we need an infectious code, but they don't have one, not everyone has an infectious code, not everyone has an id, because they are already 10, 15 years old.